A TINY ATX Case with NO Compromises! 

It is not stamped.

@@riba2233 The tooling for stamping something like this would be pretty expensive to make, but it would have allowed the case to be stamped out in huge volumes for very cheap. Problem is they probably couldn't sell those volumes right now. Still I'm a bit surprised at the price. I've been involved in designing custom chassis for customers and seen the cost for having relatively small series, as in three to five hundred, and shopping around we were able to get a pretty good price, and that included painting and logos and text printed on the chassis. Even metallic automotive paint wasn't that expensive when a customer wanted that on their chassis. In all cases these were cut with either laser of water jet instead of being stamped. Holes were threaded then the sheets folded, welded and finally painted. We also made a all aluminium chassis that acted like a huge heatsink. Every panel was more than a quarter inch thick and everything was screwed together with a total of 28 screws if I remember correctly. This was just the case and none of the internals. Those took another ten standoff and screws, again this is if I remember correctly. That sucker was expensive as F, and a pig to work with. But it had no fan and could be driven by mains power and on failure switch to a common 12V car battery. It even had integrated circuitry to allow for solar panel charging of the battery in case you needed to set it up somewhere off the grid. The intended use was as a internet router for developing countries with limited or unreliable or even no mains power available. Built using off the shelf parts, save for the case and the power circuitry, it was surprisingly power efficient and yet could route incredible amounts of traffic. We built perhaps ten machines that was shipped to some place in Africa. Later I was told one of the problems they had were people climbing the radio towers where they were installed to steal the boxes and sell them for the scrap price of the metal. Well these were pretty heavy even though they were made of aluminium so I guess they at least got some money for them. Now just what why was I writing this post again? Yea, right. Not stamped but laser or water jet cut, and the price seems a bit steep...

@@blahorgaslisk7763 I mean... You're replying to Riba who's the owner of SFFTime and he designed this case and got it manufactured. I think he's well aware of the cost of stamping dies and the downsides of laser/waterjet cut panels vs stamping. If he sells enough volume to justify investing in stamping dies to make this case, he would already have made the decision to do so. The fact of the matter is, he's a tiny one man shop who's sourcing materials and manufacturing locally, making a product in a niche within a niche (SFF is a small niche within the DIY PC enthusiast space, which itself is already a niche)

@@DuyLeNguyen Which is why I made the post. It was for those who never have priced out something like this. Not everyone knows how expensive it is to tool up for stamping. All they hear is things like "Just stamping them out costs next to nothing". Sure stamping can be cheap, but tooling up for it is anything but cheap. Then I got lost in old memories and shadows of old memories. Thing is at a low volume this case can't be produced really cheaply, and the cutoff is high enough I doubt he is able to sell enough of them right now to reach it. Face it, marketing is another thing that's very expensive. For now he seems to be relying on word of mouth. And that only goes so far. Growing a company like this is not cheap or easy. And there was heading off the track again... Sorry for that...

@@blahorgaslisk7763 I agree with you about being difficult to grow. Another factor that makes it quite difficult for small companies is the fact that (as far as I know) SFFTime is not crowdfunding this case, he's paying for the production run out of pocket, and then selling the cases in-stock, which requires a bit more risk and having to anticipate demand in advance, and having to manage positive cash flow to keep running. Having dabbled a bit with sheet metal designs for my own hobby projects, it can get pretty expensive!

silverstone sg13, fits atx psu, only 50ish $, worth

Same

True :)

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There's more innovation going on in these smaller cases compared to the normal sized towers

It's the future, computers will only become smaller, and more powerful. The industry has no choice but to comply with progress.

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Perfect summary. My thoughts exactly.

Sud have kept the same price as the original at most.

Agree. And their response to the non-functional riser was unprofessional and overly defensive.

This is competitive with other niche small volume production cases in this market (for example, compare this to the Dr Zaber sentry, Salvo S400/S401 or similar entries in the market). The company is literally one guy in Croatia designing the case and sourcing materials/manufacturing locally. They don't have the benefit of having a large volume manufacturer like CM or Lian-Li who could leverage higher sales volume and cost advantage to offset development and manufacturing costs.

I agree with almost all these statements/sentiments but economy of scale is a factor. These are not high production cases, personally i would rather go with a well fitted skyreach 4 mini, which also uses better materials, but is a bit smaller.

cheap sff cases are rare

And this seems like a premium case, no? How many other ATX SFF cases are comparable?

@@TheFalseHuman Strictly speaking it's not so much premium (as it is essentially just a stee box), what it is is niche, there would not be a large demand for this case and thus it's cost to produce is higher despite using fairly bog standard materials because it's not benefiting from economies of scale.

Was my first thought as well. Gen4 should have been included at this price with this material use.

@@DaemonViews It's a low production volume case, it's obviously not going to be cheap. And while I agree, it would've been better to give users a choice to buy it with a Gen 4 riser, I can understand that riba won't be able to include the Gen 4 riser in this price (reliable Gen 4 risers are still hard to get).

Tried a new clean white look that I haven’t done in a while. Happy to hear it was a good watch 😂😎 -D.

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Couldn't agree more.

Don't tell me dude. I got 5 corsair fans in the case and 1 is front bottom with the wobbly sticker so it's not visible.

just peel all the ugly stupid stickers...only way to get the cleanest install possible =)

Just slap another sticker on it

Brought me a bit of nostalgia!

The price is definitely a joke for the build quality, but a temper glass side panel sounds like a nightmare for airflow

@@reservoir_flow I agree, but to see all that effort in putting together a nice Gundam build just to have it obscured by a ugly side panel is just sad. I'd probably just leave the panel off permanently like he did for most of the video. I'd take a slightly wider case too if that would help the airflow in a TG version.

Yeah, same thought crossed my mind, but when a new ITX board and NR200 is less than this case on it's own... Tough sell to say the least (especially given the build quality seems so lacking).

Yes they think people Ia dumb

yup ... Knowing that you can get an NR200P for MUCH cheaper and and more options and accessories

@@256alexdt plastic exterior mass production case with meh space efficiency vs steel limited production highly specialized case. They are not comparable

Agreed. A really good fan 👍 -D.

Meshalicious as well I'd say

Yeah they just reduced the size without making any compromise, it's just sad it's so close to being compatible with the best air coolers xD It's still kind of big but I had a ncase m1 and gpu compatiblity was annoying as hell especially in these times because you want to get any gpu you can find at a decent price

And they’re both Canadian! Must be something in the water lol

agreed, but then looked at that gear list. yeesh if only i had +$10k for production....

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Between a CDN and eventual consistency, multiple people can apparently be the first to reply. But eventually, there will only be one.

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Not really from my experience

Agreed!!!

because gen 4 risers are extremely expensive. They are 2.5x-3x the cost of a gen 3 riser and considering that no video card currently in existence benefits from gen 4 over gen 3 in any meaningful way, what does it matter? This case would be approaching 300 dollars if it had a gen 4 riser.

many reasons, cost, compatibility, availability, quality etc.

especially if it wouldn't be a lot of aluminium

@@hanswurst6742 Yeah you save a lot of metal on those grills, those powdered metal can be recycled.

With this type of manufacturing aluminum and steel cost the same.

That is what direct access to fresh air and clean exhaust path do ;)

This case (N-ATX, 14 litre volume) is actually quite a bit smaller than the NR200 (18 litre volume)

oh, even better

Yeah but the NR200P is much cheaper, more accessories, you can actually fit more things like mine have 2 x 240mm rad and a 80mm rad. I also have a full custom loop including a rez etc ...

@@256alexdt yeah but can it take an ATX motherboard? Because that's the differentiating factor here... This case (if configured correctly, can also take a ITX board, 1u waterblock, watercooled GPU and a 55mm thick 360mm rad. Can the NR200P do that? I think you're comparing apples to oranges here. The NR200P is great for what it does, and this is also great for what it does

@@DuyLeNguyen The only thing you mention that is a pro vs the NR200P is the ATX. So if that's the requirement you have when you're building an SFF build then yes this is a better option. For everything else you'll get more options with the NR200P, including price that is half. Are you working for SFF time ?