A Top 500 Veteran Rants About Overwatch 2 

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On the counter swapping arguments, remember that clip on Twitter where a tank was getting DESTROYED because he didn't have mauga, he left, bought the battle pass and IMMEDIATELY won. That's just not how a game should be....

As a tank player I’m so sick of 5v5. It’s sad. This game feels like a soulless shell of ow1

Balancing this game for casuals for them not to play this game after 4 months.

DPS: The enemy tank won't die no matter how much I shoot! Tanks: I'm getting shot by everyone I can't get enough heals! Support: I can't keep my tank up the DPS debuff makes healing non existent! This game' s become so boring

I think the fundamental issue is they’re trying to force tanks to be able to do both jobs of an off tank and main tank (maintain and define space respectively). It’s why the role has become so one dimensional imo. I think the devs fail to see that rein (a main tank) was never originally designed to be able to maintain space, he was designed to be able to claim space (define it). Similarly, DVA (an off tank) was never designed to be able to claim space. She was designed to be able to maintain already claimed space, for example. I’m not sure how long it will be, but I think the devs will eventually realize they can’t have one tank fulfill both of those responsibilities without the game loop being brain dead as you illustrated in your hog clip. That clip was the whole fight. You died and the fight was over. You and just got everything yeeted at you. There was no tempo, and no ebb and flow at all. That kind of gameplay loop is like when two pawns meet in a game of chess in front of each other; neither pawn can advance until one of them has been cleared (dies). It’s like they’re trying to rework every tank to be like sigma (the one tank that can do both jobs), and it’s brain dead. It reminds me of when bastion had a shield.

I watch more 5v5 rants than I play Overwatch now. This was supposed to “increase playmaking ability” but it DID THE OPPOSITE. There’s only ONE right way, ONE right character to play, and STILL, NOTHING. DIES. It’s absolutely miserable. NOBODY ASKED for this, and I hate the devs for not swallowing their pride and simply going back to 6v6. Who cares about 1 week of bad news articles? They have enough data to fix this in ONE PATCH. Players would come back even. Everyone would be happy eventually. JUST. GO. BACK. And build from there. PLEASE.

gotta agree solo tank is miserable

yeah i think overwatch is trying to cushion everything and are getting rid of the high risk high reward playstyle and dulling it down to sitting in chokes and just wating for something to happen.

yk what, i liked the old UI, the medals, even if thye didn't do anything, it's much nicer to look at than the shitty jingling keys stats ui we have now

when ow2 first released it felt super good but honestly i think that was just becuase there were like no updates to ow1 and it felt stale, there really is not reason to not go back

The saddest part is, look all of the cool tanks that have been added to the game, JQ, Mauga, Ram, reworked Orisa...they would be a blast to play in 6v6. Instead we are stuck in this format with unkillable AFK tanks which feel shit for everybody.

I miss old Overwatch. I was a gold Zarya main in OW1 and yes, she had 400Hp and could easily die to a Reinhardt charge, but that's what made her so fun to play. The bubbles provided protection and power if used correctly, and it was fun to kill an enemy who thought they had me dead to rights. What I'm trying to say is that it feels like Overwatch is removing this skill ceiling that was required for most heroes. Zarya was fun to play when you played her right, nowadays, I barely even queue tank anymore. Overwatch is removing the skill requirements in favor for a more broad approach and it completely removes any challenge or skill from the game...

As a tank player, im tired of everyone being tired of me. Either i do nothing wrong and get killed, do everything right and get no recognition, or make one mistake(often just picking a character i like) and everyone hates me in that game. And when i or anyone else opens their mouth to say playing tank sucks and they should bring back 6v6 we get told to shut up because its such an over-used talking point. Ive been playing since before sombra was added and the fear of some group of assholes mass reporting my account because i picked doomfist and loosing years worth of shit just isnt worth the anxious miasma that is playing this game.

Speaking as a DPS player: for a healthy game, it would be better to return to 6vs6. Double shield can be easily fixed, and is already mostly fixed. The continuous counterswapping and especially the balancing issues 5vs5 causes... It is frustrating for the tank players and by extension frustrating for their teams. 5vs5 technically would work, if they would redesign all heroes and rethink the purpose of the tank role.

When season 10 top 500 dropped I found it hilarious that top 500 tank was diamond 2

i agree wholeheartedly with everything you mentioned, this game feels a shell of what it used to be. i’ve been playing since december 2016 and seeing what it used to be and how the “issues” with the 6v6 model could’ve been fixed with a few patches hurts they refuse to admit the changes they made for the better aren’t better, they’re in fact worse, and i’d argue that ow1 was more approachable and rewarding for new players than the state overwatch is currently in great video, keep up the raw honesty with these videos because they community needs to hear stuff like this, i hope blizzard will hear us eventually

Like a malevolent AI in an underground testing facility once said. "The best solution to a problem is usually the easiest one." And balancing 5v5 is hard... Next to impossible even.

as a top500/high gm tank player, youre absolutely right. its unbelievable having to just lock orisa at the start of every game and counterswap all the time in is so frustrating

Its crazy to think people grew up with this game I was an adult by the time OW dropped, but I feel your pain this is how I feel about old CoD

There's no sense of risk reward anymore. An insane mechanical play that rewards you with a kill can be erased from history by a mercy res, or stopped altogether by a suzu, immo field, or weaver grip. There is so much less punishment for playing stupid now. The game is so much more forgiving. So many characters are rewarded so much for so little effort. Supports literally do everything, damage, small hitboxes, passive regen, great mobility, and abilities that can cancel out kills or ultimates just by pressing a button. I remember a time when a dps tank duel was decided by who made better use of their kit instead of ehat role/character they were on, with exceptions obviously. But nowadays, no dps is killing a tank in a 1v1, unless its like a rein but thats borderline worst hero in the game right now.

“I can ONLY play this game for two hours until I’m done” 😂😂😂

I finally just quit. A player that’s been playing since day 1 in 2016. Team 4 is truly the worst development team I’ve ever had the privilege of witnessing. Every single change and update they make to this game is just another bandaid fix for a problem they made for themselves as a result of these awful clueless changes. Season 9 really was the last straw for me, and now season 10 I’ve just lost all desire to play the game. Fun fact, going into OW2, I had over 700 hours on rein. As of right now, in OW2 a year later. I have only 715 hours on rein, my MAIN. My main that I’ve played a total of 15 hours in a whole fucking year because he’s been so worthless for so long. Another fun fact! In OW1, I peaked at rank 92 on tank, 3800 on DPS, and idk support I never really played it. In OW2, my tank can barely maintain master, My DPS has consistently been GM1, and my support is mid master. How on gods green earth is my main role my lowest!

I used to be a DVA main for hundreds hours in ow1. I played her like 5 hours in ow2. I miss the secondary tank role so much. The flexible gameplay was so much fun, flanking the enemy or chasing the harassers of your own backline. That doesnt exist anymore because when I leave my position as a tank now to do something thats not cosplaying a punching bag you kill your entire team immediatly. I know thats a tanks job to some degree but there's literally nothing left to do but this particular thing. It's so boring.

Along the lines of the game feeling like a CoD death match, I think the new map philosophy is too open. This applied to the whole team but as a tank main especially, there used to be (and still is on old maps) this tactical mind game of taking ground instead of simply fighting for point. But now with the maps being so open, any ground you take is nullified by a huge flank angle the entire enemy team can easily take, so there's no reason to do that. Don't play aggressive, just stay on payload. It's part of the reason supports do so much damage as a rule now, because they can't rely on good positioning to keep themselves safe from the infinite flank angles. The day instead of addressing this they chose to create another game mode that doubled down on it (flashpoint), that's the day this game officially died for me.

As a support player, playing this game feels like you have to constantly be scared for your life because only having one tank means it's so much easier to flank the backline. Support is super strong, but I hate being in kiriko jail on comp

the funniest thing is that becasue tanks get so much cc, they explode or never die. because they explode, they need to giga buff them, leading to more tanks never dying. its an endless loop because blizzard doesnt understand that 5v5 doesnt work and adding more characters with cc and movement abilities that are essentially get out of jail free cards is not fun, and makes it so things never fucking die.

100% facts. 5v5 ruined the game. I gave it a fair shot, but it’s inferior in every way. Stopped playing when the story missions dropped, not planning on reinstalling until 6v6 is back. Lots of other competitive games out there more worthy of attention.

The community should create a 6v6 gamemode in custom games and balance it themselves

Glad to have you on board. A high level dps player is always a valuable asset to the debate. Especially when the biggest online advocates for 5v5 are pretty much all dps players. Some supports too

Keep in mind flats asked for a Reinhardt rework lmao

When overwatch 2 was still being rumored about and I heard about 5v5, I knew that this would be terrible, many people thought I was crazy. In the end, I played overwatch 2 once and i knew it was over, look where we are now. I've seen so many complaints and rants about overwatch more so than regular content.

Honestly bro I understand opening up the game to more casual players like that’s fine, but adding stuff like roadhog being able to HOOK and HEAL during his ult and Moira being able to FADE during her ult and other baby more stuff like that is ridiculous, you shouldn’t be rewarded for using your ult at the wrong time you’re literally just removing opportunities to punish bad behaviors. Double shield was something to say the least, but like you said it was almost entirely the supports using these crazy sustain abilities keeping the tanks alive. All of that could’ve been avoided if the game simply wasn’t abandoned for a PVE game mode ultimately ended up being scrapped anyway. Orisa doesn’t even have a shield anymore, because of the format rein is just unplayable currently, sigma was a 5v5 tank they slapped into OW1. Every character that was released in OW1 had 6v6 in mind, but especially the tanks. If I’m playing DVA I’m gigabuffed because of the format, but the Zarya who can now freely beam me because I don’t have my second tank to help me take the pressure off as easily is also gigabuffed and now wins the matchup even more.

The biggest bummer of it all is that they really had something amazing with OW1, not that it didn't have (very fixable) flaws here and there, but even with the flaws, it was an incredible game and all they had to do, was maintain what they already had and just add content (rather than abandoning the game for 4 years) and instead they decided to start changing fundamental, core aspects of the game and they lost what made the game incredible. All they had to do was not fuck it up, but that's exactly what they did.

It seems like the majority of players want 6v6, and the only people who want 5v5 are the ingrained content creators who've signed ndas with blizzard

That clip of you on hog dueling the rien was perfect at encapsulating how to tank is played in 5v5, not enjoyable 😭

5v5 made me a support main. I mained rein since 2017 and now i havent played him in comp since season 3

Bro I’ve literally been saying everything in this video since the game came out. This entire thing was straight facts. I am also a former Gm/Top500 player from OW1 and still play OW2 from time to time. I am around GM in this game too. It’s crazy to me how Blizzard shills/Overwatch apologists will tell you straight to your face “Well they aren’t gonna change it back so just be grateful!🤓” Like yes guys we the consumers of this shitty game don’t deserve better and should just be grateful with the inferior product. Like yeah guys let’s be grateful to BLIZZARD we owe it to them👍 Let’s be mindless bots and enjoy our shit game and never find for anything better! I used to be a Gm/top500 Rein player in OW1 and it was fucking awesome. The cool part was that even when double shield was the meta if you had the sauce on rein you could still make it work. Even in double shield there were still opportunities to outplay. New rein pin can’t even fucking kill a reaper or mei. And it’s near impossible to play him now in anything higher than like fucking masters, and shitty Overwatch2 streamers will be like “he’s still playable! Get good!” Like yes bro I looove playing Reinhardt on super skull-fuck difficulty! That’s how I always wanna play him! The streamers of this game really let people down by becoming blizzard shills. They will complain about the game then get sponsored to play with some bullshit garbage drops and all the sudden they got nothing to say anymore. The truth is that we simply have an inferior product. I as the consumer don’t fucking owe it to anyone to be grateful to blizzard of all fucking companies😂 like if the game is shit I’m gonna be annoyed. Also don’t even get me started on the in game shop. Or some of the other changes they made. Why are rank symbols suddenly minimalist soulless corporate dogshit and what happened to border levels? People were getting bullied for border levels?????? Who? Also if you cry when someone makes fun of your border it’s time to get off the game and take walk you fucking baby. Also the Overwatch 2 hero designs are so fucking shit😂 once Kiriko was released (in the battle pass😂) I knew it was the beginning of the end. That hero really is just the Bobby Kotick’s legacy. She will always be viable because of her busted kit and she’s designed to sell skins. PEOPLE ALSO LOVE TO CHERRY PICK CLIPS OF PEOPLE GETTING STUNNED IN OVERWATCH 1 BUT THE REASON THAT HAPPENED WAS BECAUSE OF ONLY A COUPLE PROBLEMATIC HEROES. IF THE BALANCE TEAM WASN’T FUCKING STUPID BAP/BRIG/SIG/ORISA WOULD HAVE BEEN NERFED LIKE 8 FUCKING YEARS AGO AND WE NEVER WOULD HAVE GOT THIS SHITTY GAME. If the team spent the time they used when they abandoned Overwatch 1 for 2 fucking years to instead better the game that got them this far we would still be 6v6😂 and have a better game. People seem to forget that Overwatch was the biggest game in the world when it came out. It had the potential to be a generational competitive game like LOL,CSGO, ETC but they fumbled the bag like morons by franchising the shitty ass league and actively making anti-competitive decisions (Private profiles, shit balancing, Etc) they were on top of the world and THREW IT ALL IN THE TRASH. BIGGEST BAG FUMBLE IN THE HISTORY OF GAMING. ANYONE WHO HASNT PLAYED THE FIRST GAME HAS NO IDEA. You were right the game has been baby-afied. Rein can’t fire strike through petal, HOG THROWING HIS PIG PEN CAN BE CANCELLED YET KIRIKOS ULT IS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO CANCEL??????? I’m so glad you made this video. You don’t understand how much I’ve been trying to tell people exactly what was said in this video. If there is one thing the Overwatch team has always represented throughout the games entire lifespan it would be the sin of pride. When a character is busted in LOL they disable and fix the fucking problem. In Overwatch they deny it. Too much pride to disable launch brig and look where that got them. Too much pride to EVER admit a mistake. Always doubling down on shitty decisions. Thank you to whoever read this entire schizo rant. I actually have a lot more to say believe it or not but it’s really late.

I only played for 1 year of Overwatch 1 but I had so much fun hopping into comp games and one tricking Reinhardt and Winston every game. I've never had to pick Hog, Dva, Zarya, Orisa, Sigma ever in Overwatch 1 but now I have to constantly be switching my characters and learning how to play every single one, it's so frustrating. Why can't I win just by being a good Rein player? Why do I have to be a good Rein, Winston, Dva, Doom, Sig, Orisa, Ball, Mauga player?

Overwatch players: *complain that their dev team is ruining their favorite hero shooter* TF2 players: first time? No but for real it sucks watching your favorite game drop so drastically in quality. I was never a huge fan of overwatch, it just wasn't for me, but I always respected the game. Seeing it in the state it's in sucks.

I totally agree as a tank main. I really miss playing with my friend he’s a tank main too. Now we play open queue and sometimes we don’t get any supports

I feel like 6v6 is the better casual experience Especially with ult wombs combos and it’s the reason why Smash has been increasing their multiplayer game modes Also locking heroes behind paywalls is also anti casual

I totally agree with u about tank! Its not the same like in ow1 and its much more pressure on u if ur playing tank😢 I know the game is not the best right now tbh, but i hope it will get better next season❤💪

I think the only valid defense for 5v5 now is queue times, but that can probably be argued as well. There is no doubt 6v6 is the superior format, and I used to say ‘ah, it’s subjective; some people have bad taste’, but no 6v6 is the superior format. It’s not just tanks that have become way more two dimensional and simple, it’s all of the roles. There’s less to think about, and less strategy, and lower creativity and playstyles. It’s interesting to go back to footage of ow1 and how much more interesting it was, minus the double shield thing; which you are right with Samito, that could’ve been balanced out.

As someone who also played OW, I can say that this game is on the verge of its deathbed. What really did it for me, is when Mauga dropped. During that time, I really didn’t want to give in to blizzards greed and buy a battle pass simply for a hero. But HOLY. SHIT. Every single game I went to, and wanted to play tank? Enemy team was Mauga. I literally couldn’t play tank even if I wanted to because I didn’t want to pay to win. Ever since then I haven’t played. I know it’s gotten better…at least a little. But the game just isn’t fun anymore. I feel you when you said you can only play for 2 hours before you’re done. Overwatch isn’t overwatch anymore. Rainbow Six Siege isn’t Siege anymore. All these really fun, and really competitive games, that they once were when they dropped. Have been corrupted with greed, misfortune, and an issues with cheaters that are in almost every game, with the soul purpose of ruining everyone else’s experience to better their own.

tank was my favorite role in ow1, i mained wrecking ball back then. ow2 has made tank so unenjoyable that i've completely switched to a support main.

I remember the day that the Overwatch team announced that the game would be switching to 5v5. I was so confused at the time, and I still am.🤨❔❔❔

Before the game even released we had critics knowing exactly what would happen. Dunkey saying that steamrolling would get worse, tanks being unkillable monsters. It’s just not fun.

I felt this in my soul. Was hardcore into OW1 and stopped immediately after OW2 dropped. Zero team play, guns felt super floaty and now OW1 is dead and gone.

Just so people know- majority of the OW1 devs have left blizzard and the OW2 team consist mainly of new devs. This is why a lot of new skins look like they don't fit the style, balance for the game seem like they are trying to make this feel more generic shooter, and lore/new heroes/new voice lines seem like they're written by some kid playing with his Overwatch(tm) action figures. Another thing about making the game feel more casual-friendly with all those passives: As a mostly casual player (1000+hours from OW1 and never made it past Masters), it still feels worse than OW1 because it feels like you are getting way too much value from counter-picking vs counter-playing(aka just picking the right heroes). What I mean is that a lot of casuals just want to play a few heroes that they like (gameplay/lore etc). Another thing is, one tricks are annoying to play with but at least if they're good they could actually not be a huge burden. Now you get a one-trick on a bad hero and it's over before the game even starts.

Other than some of the anti Support Propaganda, I agree that 6v6 is simply superior for every role in the game. Other than GOATS and arguably sometimes DIVE, I've never felt like a single role felt specifically trash in OW1. Now in OW2, it's always one entire role that feels absolutely garbage to play, typically being the Tank role.

Yea, this games done for if they dont change back to 6v6. Its like i said from the start of season 1, 5v5 CAN WORK, IF they redesign the ENTIRE game. Meaning, maps, heros, swapping heros, literally EVERYTHING. But would that be a better game? Likely not, AND blizzard will NEVER do that. They are too slow. They do not work fast enough, and clearly dont have the passion to do that in any way that would be good. They are just digging a deeper hole for themselves season after season. Season 9 changes were the nail in the coffin for me, havent played since. And wont ever play again until 6v6 is added back. I say this as a DPS player also, Since season 1 ive been saying the game was much worse. If you play in high elo you also see, so many names you use to see everyday, you see less and less. Games bad right now, and its so sad to see. Compared to the oct patch of 2020, how much worse the game became. Since day 1 i was saying, this is some sort of trash team deathmatch. Held in your spawn if your tank is bad, unkillable tanks running around, No distractions from your team like in 6v6 so tons of playstyle / carry the game options were taken away. It just sucks. No games are winnable anymore, if your team is bad. Before nearly every game was winnable. Now you simply cannot outskill 800 hp healthpools. I was so happy for ow 2, thought we were going to get a bunch of new heros (They said like 7-8 were coming at the same time at one point, which never happened), more players, free to play etc. It was gonna be great. But then they announced 5v5, i was like okay... ill try it, then the beta came, horrible. It was just beta though right? It will get better... Season 1 comes, and i knew it was over. Then season 6 was the beginning of the end, PVE gone, the whole reason i was putting up with 5v5, and this new downgraded game, deleted. Ok but maybe this is a ray of hope? Maybe now they focus on the multiplayer and finally add back 6v6. Nope. And its just been worse and worse every season. Well, i got my top 500, reached my goal. And was high gm every season after season 3. But i wish i could of did it on the better game. On 6v6. But oh well. Blizzard has such a big ego, even though they have ruined many of their games over and over. Given chance after chance and still ruin things. Its time to just move on. Near the end of overwatch 1 when barely anyone was playing. Thats when they listened. Guess thats what its going to take again.

At least when one tank died in 6v6 the fight was still winnable. A team without a tank is nearly always a lost fight. They had no idea how to fix the tank role so they just removed half of it and gave a middle finger to the remaining tank players with making them have to deal with all the tank focus and cc.

Yeah. I think the ow1 ranking system was so much better. I preffered SR and it just going up and down roughly 23 SR each game. It was plain, simple and fun. They reworked it because apparently it was 'confusing' and 'arbitrary' into something infinetley worse. At ow2 launch you had to win 7 games which was so boring and demoralising if you had like 14 losses. It is such a stupid idea that you could play 20 games and not even see your rank. They then reworked it to 5 games which still had the same problems. And now the new ranking system updates after every game which is better. However, me losing 40% after 1 game (for me) is more annoying due to demotion protection than just seeing me lose 22 SR at the end of each game. And then they added all these modifiers which makes me annoyed losing a game we were expected to win and vice versa. These modifiers were meant to improve the understanding of match making and explain the % you went up and down, but with SR nobody gave a shit. Nobody would even notice if they only won 21 sr instead of 23 sr because of how arbitrary the numbers and people not exactly remembering the exact SR they were before. It was a non issue that no one cared about that I now have an issue with in ow2. They changed the ranking system for the sake of it being a new game and then brainwashed the community into thinking there was any problem with original SR system. And personal prefernce, even if it is conveying same information, I prefer being 2750SR than Plat 3 50% through. Additionally the SR system was much better better because it was more comparitive. Saying your peak SR was 4106 was just better than saying GM 4. I also fully believe that T500 would be so much better if you could see your SR. Then the leaderboards would be more competitive and you can see how much infront the people are infront of you. Before champion was added, looking at the leaderboards and seeing that all 500 people were GM1 and max rank was useless information. I would much rather see how much the SR the people in front of you in the leaderboards were as it gives you infromation about how many more games you need to win. Then one more thing, why did they remove the ranks from the hero portrait to begin with in a game. Since everyone has private profiles, I would like to know who the gold or diamond player is in the lobby. Additionally, I also found it more exciting, exillerating and raising the stakes more seeing the ranks in top500 in ech game. I'd rather see the exact ranks of my team and knowing that I've got the rank 83 tank but they got the rank 17 support etc... Its again raises the stakes and makes the game feel moire competitive, supposed to just knowing the bracket of ranks is GM3-GM1. There you go, my rant over which I've heard no one really ever talk about. They removed the mostly perfect SR system because of it being a new game. And since then, they have updated the ranking system 3 more times, with none of them being as good as the original. PS. Do you remember when overwatch 2 first came out and they added the numbers so small into the actual rank emblem. It was such a bad design because you couldn't even see it. How stupid was that ?

Grinding ranked as Rein and Winston and finding that off tank player you have perfect synergy with was one of my favorite experiences in gaming.

5v5 is like overwatch mobile

OW 2 is just a watered down version of OW 1. They keep taking out any high risk high reward abilities that actually require skill and replacing them with babied down versions that anybody could do, but that don't offer any reward. Hog ult, hook combo, Rein charges being cancelable, just to name a few. Not to mention that you don't even need to be able to aim anymore with the new hitboxes.

I think the whole community agrees 5v5 is way worse then 6v6 but the issues is when gold players the most populated rank has to wait 30 minutes+ for a game is never a good situation

Dumbing down of cd usage is bad for health of the game. Example; hog's vape. You used to have to be careful when you used it bc it could get interrupted. Now you can chug like a brainless mutant without any repercussion

Just wanted to say I completely agree that 6v6 > 5v5 But we all know that blizzards ego will never allow this. They either completely abandon 5v5 which I doubt they will do, or at this point, lose players I joined ow2 season 1 and found that Dva monkey and rein play styles really resonated with me (in order from my most played to least) I’d absolutely love to play Dva and not have every punch, sleep, discord (which is a problem in it of itself), etc. directed at me. I do wish that i could have played during ow1s prime even if im still having fun on ow2. Hell, maybe I’d even play hog. His concept in 6v6 seems really funny. Just an opinion from a diamond tank player

Everyone remembers double shield but I remember the last couple seasons of OW1 where you could play anything and win. It honestly felt like the game was in a healthy state.

I like the video, and I share the sentiment. I hope some magic happens to return this game to what it used to be. It isn’t unplayable in the current state, but it’s like eating a hamburger without any burger. I was here on 2019 and 2020 for the teamwork and team based elements. These elements have been watered down in favor of deathmatchy elements. It is like one of my favorite games is having an identity crisis

As a former gm on several accounts I agree on everything you say, only thing I would add is this, with just 1 tank if that tank plays badly, out positionened etc it is much easier for the enemy team to roll us if we have a tank in our face, especially if we are playing imobile supports and dps.

A very funny thing about OW2 now is that we're right back to square 1 with CC. A team of Sig, Lucio, Brig, Venture, and Junk for example is just boop/stun central It's wild how they claimed they wanted to reduce CC and limit it to tanks early on and then they release Venture and Iilari who have CC, but aren't tanks. These devs are so incompetent

My conscience is clear, I did not spend a single penny on this soulless pile of shit of a game which kidnapped our original Overwatch, murdered it and is continuing to parade its lifeless corpse with impunity while earning heaps of cash in the process.

Sprixy: "You can't kill the tanks - fornat issue, not balance issue." Recent OW Devs: "So we removed headshots on tanks, changed armour to make them tankier and gave then an HP% of max healing passive". You can't make this up...😂 But I agree, the game is just not fun anymore #bringback6v6

I was literally one level away from becoming silver border 😞 now I’m just taunted every time I click career profile

The unfortunate reality is that they needed to reduce tanks to one per team because of queue times. The less people want to play a particular role, the longer the queue times for the other roles become.

5v5 is an INSANE intellectual step down for the game. games are so much less interesting and it fucking SUCKS. double shield like you said was a FIXABLE problem. Rammatra, Sojourn ult piercing shields, NOT NERFING DOOM AND REAPER WHEN THEY COUNTER DOUBLE SHIELD, the same thing for symmetra but they could have added that self heal on her beam, adding a barrier damage multiplier to certain abilities or to off tanks in general so that Zarya Hog would counter Double Shield or Zarya Rammatra, REMOVING FORTIFY, reworking immortality field, making echo beam ALWAYS do 200dps to shields, re-allowing Moira to heal through barriers with her spray so you can play Lucio Moira rush with rammatra Zarya and actually get through the shield without then blocking her healing. it wasn't a "bug" that she healed through shields with her spray because every other ability in her kit goes through barriers... those are all ways that 6v6 double shield could have been done away with but noooo the devs are/were idiots and decided they'd rather cop out to 1 tank than actually do their job correctly. Even goats probably could have been countered, Shanghai had that ball comp that I can only imagine would have been better with the Advent of junker queen. throwing enemies into a queens axe range so she can repeatedly swing that thing because of the cooldown reset and the bleeds and all of her healing. not to mention her ult could have done good shit against them, (if they let it go through barriers) they also could have added anti heal to certain abilities or statuses, mostly in the DPS role. Ashe dynamite reducing healing by 25% as long as someone's on fire. letting wrecking ball do the same with his ball form collisions, MAUGA, you could have let junk rat and Pharah light ppl on fire too. either with giving jump jet AoE or making primary directs ignite people. junkrats mines could have been igniters too. you could make hack a -25% healing too and then give it to Sombra, horse javelin, and ram vortex. slowing down and anti healing single targets to focus down. and since they're hacked Zarya can't fucking Cleanse it with bubble, bap can't Regen burst himself etcetc adding more DoT in general to the DPS category and removing burst damage would have prompted DPS to worm together even more and removed the cancerous burst of OW1s final days. Genji dash and blade bleeding enemies, junkrat and Pharah doing burn, Virus, Storm arrows doing electricity damage and slowing targets, removing widow's 300hp headshot and replacing it with a 150hp burst and a 150dps venom. adds counterplay but isn't super likely to deny her oneshots. especially not if you reworked venom mine to be a dart that antied enemies too. you could have given Lifeweaver a needler super combine explosion that antied enemies as well. maybe 15% since it's a primary fire. Rein firestrike, could also burn and Winston's secondary fire could do something similar to Hanzo. there were so so so many ways that they could have gone about decimating both goats and double shield but they CHOSE not to and now the quality of the games strategy has to suffer because everything unique about any hero is just stripped away and replaced with more fucking damage or healing. FLASHBANG? gone. it's a heat seeking 80dmg missile that has an effect that imo is even worse than flash fan. because at least he had to be close for that. Mei freeze? gone. 100dps cleave spray. Sombra hack? gone. increases damage of her virus (low-key useless most of the time btw) echos duplicate (one of the most interesting abilities in the game) doesn't even work how it originally was intended. she can hardly build a single ult on most heros and she especially cannot play a fucking Tank because god forbid 2tanks exist at a time. they even started stripping OW2 heroes of their identifies or uniqueness. sojourn is an incredibly oppressive hero don't get me wrong but they originally gave her a giant slowing field ability (sick as fuck) but then remembered that nobody but tanks and Ana can have CC so they removed it and now that orb can do 250+ damage over time. 😐. Brigitte lost her stun OH BUT DON'T WORRY it does 50 DMG now. even though most of the time the ability is better used as a dash to keep distance. illari might just exemplify what I'm taking about because originally they were going to give her a blind of maybe burn damage but they fucking coppednout again and limited themselves so now she's just a shit hero who's out valued by bap (yet again, fuck Baptiste) because all she does is healing and damage but bap does more of BOTH and has utility. mercy wasn't really a problem in 6v6 or OW1 towards the end. there was and always will be discourse but for them to take the only fucking aspect of her kit that was expressive and replace it with some Temu-esque resource meter was the dumbest shit ever, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET PUNISHED FOR USING IT. so they took something that I and other people LEARNED how to do and learned when it was good to do and when it was bad to do. and they replaced it with some shitty gauge so that casuals could do it. now the hero is shit because that amount of consistency is ridiculous. hog has also been balanced around casuals even though his hook and him in general are some of the most counter able things in the entire game. they took his oneshot combo (his literal method of denying space btw, being scary) and gave him a trap????? stop balancing this game around casuals or it will die when something new and shiny comes along. stop stripping nuance from heroes and dulling this game down from a dagger to a club. stop pretending 5v5 is good and fun when every match is just counter swapping bullshit or if she's strong at the time horse mirrors. which everyone TOTALLY loves.... bring back dive, bring back double bubble, bring back rein Zarya. the tank role feels dysfunctional without a second tank to provide protection for the protector. Zarya bubble, defense matrix and to a certain extent hog hook were all useful abilities for saving your other tank from things that CURRENTLY make the tank role a fucking Nightmare to play WITH and AGAINST.

Another Hawk quote to bolster the one you provided at the end “In OW2 if you win you don’t feel pleasure you feel relief” (paraphrasing)

I feel like all roles have character's abilities sacrificed in order to make up for the lack of a second tank. I play DPS but I always feel bad for tanks. From a DPS angle, I can't be as satisfied anymore. It's too easy to die. Leads to discourse between healers, then the tank's ability to stay alive or not. I really don't get the 5v5. Having a second tank was a great way to not get picked off so easily. I'm not a pro either or that high of a rank but damn, I remember the 6v6 being so much better and even easier (depending on the team). I main Hanzo along with Cassidy and Reaper. But something I notice is just the lack of fun anymore. Hanzo's one shot with squishier characters was so necessary. Now I can only dink a kiriko or phara or any lower HP characters. It's almost more practical to spam storm arrow sometimes which doesn't feel as rewarding at all after so many times compared to an actual, well placed, one shot. Idk but it feels like in order to keep the one tank alive more, the more they sacrifice everyone else's abilities. Even the tank's abilities feel lesser. I feel bad for tanks now

as soon as 5v5 happened, I started playing open queue but I miss it sm 😭😭🙏

Idk how many people remember this, but in early development for ow1, the devs said that most of the choke points on maps (ex. Hollywood 1st point, almost all 2cp maps, kings row 1st, so on) were built around Reinhardt’s shield size. Almost like the game at a fundamental level was build around Rein and the devs seem to have just forgotten that 🤷‍♂️

The thing about 6v6 tank synergy was that no matter what tanks you picked you could win and it forced dps and support players to think about their cooldown usage positioning and playstyles like Rein/ball can work even as goofy as it sounds because if the enemy team has a zen and ball is harassing them you as rein can have worry about discord way less and because of how ball plays around health pack the lack of defense matrix or zarya bubble is made up for in the fact that you'll have more resources and healing on you from your supports like you'll atleast have one support behind you at all times if the other one is with the dps( I'm a support player btw) and even playing against rein/ball if I'm on zen and the ball is making the game hard for me then ill go brig or lucio and in doing that the enemy rein can be more aggressive and i won't be able to hard punish him but I can punish ball but rein gets to play the game in a more fun way because even if i myself don't swap or adjust my playstyle somebody will because you can't just ignore the ball and let him roam freely into your team Also losing feels less oppressive because steamrolls are less common and of a team is running you over then you can combo ults/ abilities to turn it around or halt the enemy teams hard advance which happens way less nowadays because alot of the team play aspects have been eroded away In conclusion 6v6 is a more stable game and solo tanking is like your coworker that you work with getting fired and you now having to do their job with a 25% raise yeah your getting paid more but your literally doing the job of two people so its getting more stressful and punishing

Samitos take is honestly right. The current team has never understood what made OW win game of the year. It's like trying to understand a dog, we're simply too far apart. Game is going to inevitably die. RIP OW

spot on with everything. i don't know what they're trying to do, but it ain't it

Your point about Roadhog hit the nail on the head. I dont feel like skill is rewarded anymore

As a DPS player who started all the way back in 2016 until now, I can completely agree with what you said here. Overwatch 2 is a straight up downgrade in gameplay design. The game the devs are trying to make for everyone will never exist, because a game for everyone is a game for no one.

as a former doomfist main i hate so much that they made him into a tank, while being in the 5v5 meta. doom was so fun to just flank and go off of your own and make your own decisions on how you wanted to play him, his arsenal was so wide. but now trying to play him 5v5 tank meta is horrible when you’re absorbing so much damage and need to hold your team together. he was never meant to be a tank

dude ur junkrat clips are so rad

This game is really one big patch (return of 6v6 and hard nerf of all the immortality’s) away from being nearly perfect. As an off-tank player, 5v5 really does feel really bad right now. The dps are strong, the supports are strong, tank is a constant suffering unless your enemies are complete pookie dookies.

Great Video, im certain well get 6v6 back eventually, since Tank is in a dogshit spot and people are fed up. The Game isnt really growing either and the new Esport is in a bad place too. Something has to change. But for now, all we can do is wait and complain, heres a list of what OW2 took from us - 6v6 - Account Levels (with actual Rewards and Progression in form of Borders) - Weekly Arcade Rewards (remember those?) - SR Ranked System (was more satisfying to climb and see numbers go up) - Looking for Group - The Old HUD that had personality - The Old PotG Music (sounded better imo) - End-of-Game Lobbies - Voting Cards - Quick Play being fun and not a sweatfest Ok now, some things OW2 did well in my opinion - F2P - Live-Service - Less CC - Orisa Rework And thats about it, all of that could have been done in OW1 aswell, and we would have had a great game, but no...

The people who get most harassments for player boarders are the hackers. It always felt to me that Blizzard supported hacking and team bullies. For example if you flame a hard locking hacker and if he/she was in a premade group and all of them mot only flame you back, but also report you for flaming, you get muted for at least a week and you as a solo player gets no feedback from your reports against them.

Imagine having a competitive game where you do everything in your power to alleviate toxicity like removing player borders so players don’t get flamed. Reality check, Blizzard, toxicity will always be a part of every competitive game where the end result is one team wins, and the other loses. I don’t know why they think they can make this rainbows and sunshine world of happiness in a game literally about murder.

Really good point about Reinhardt. He’s the whole point of Overwatch

I was top 500 in OW1 and even coached GM level teams. Credentials aside, my biggest gripe with the one tank format is that it gives a single player the ability to take their team hostage. If you had a main tank that just ints, you could run two main tanks and try to make that work. Now, you can't. I have had so many ball players just go feed 1v5, hogs flanking alone and inting, that I lost count. You can not do anything about this scenario in OW2. If your tank refuses to cooperate you are just done.

Starting with role queue Blizzard has been making choices that just don't make sense to appease a very vocal minority of high level competitive players. They desperately wanted Overwatch to be an esport, so badly that they killed the fun game they'd created in the first place. People getting salty about CC, people getting salty about Brig, people getting salty about their team having 3 DPS heroes, people getting so bent out of shape and demanding "balance", sucking all the fun out of the experience, being toxic. Overwatch 1 is a hybrid FPS-MOBA hero shooter. Overwatch 2 is a disappointment.

AS AN OVERWATCH BETA VETERAN… EVERYTHING WAS FACTS. DOWN TO THE SMALLEST DETAIL. I MISS THIS GAME SO FUCKING MUCH.

As a dps player not only do I miss tanks being killable but also supports I haven’t forgotten that they turbo buffed supports and gave them busted kits bc they didn’t have a 2nd tank, so they can do everything now. Granted, they still got insane shit in 6v6 (bap, brig) but imo the updates and heroes they got in 5v5 are ridiculous Tbh I don’t blame the devs for doing what they’re doing but I wish they were just transparent with us and just tell us ow is not a competitive game anymore and it’s not a priority anymore, it’s a shame that this game imo actively punishes you with a worse experience the more time and the more you try to improve in it

As an OG day 1 Overwatch Player the state of Overwatch today is horrific. 6v6 is a perfect system and games like Marvel Rivals and Paladins prove it. I remember playing a game of overwatch leveling up spinning the lootbox and getting a cool skin only to anticipate the next lootbox and show off my skins in matches. Now I have to drop 20$ to buy a singular skin when I could have just bought hollow knight and have 5$ and get 1000x more content then a skin. Overwatch took a game I payed for murdered it then pee'd on it's corpse by removing features, canceled and murdered new content, and resold it's organs for 15$ (again I could buy hollow knight for that much and get loads more hours).

There is an argument that a lot of you are making in 5v5 that makes no sense. How do you expect tanks to be unique and yet not have to counter pick? The only way to reduce counter picking is to make takes more similar, but as that occurs everyone is also ranting. I believe Blizzard has concluded the only option at this point with 5v5 is to make tanks more similar to at least fix the counter picking issue. Yes, it dumbs down the role immensely but people in this chat said it themselves. "Why can't I just play Rein every game and not need to constantly switch?". Because, if you want a role that doesn't require swapping, then you will get a very simplistic and similar set of mechanics from each tank.

10:57 It DID feel rewarding getting silver border... until I kept hearing "silver border plat" every other comp match

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Overwatch was slowly killed by the Overwatch league. Way back when, Jeff put it simply by saying "we want every hero to feel overpowered". One year after tournaments started happening every single hero had been nerfed, essentially watering down the game altogether.

I’m so glad someone put how we Al have been feeling into words without the copium.

On the roadhog thing - I feel you! I was a flank hog main for multiple seasons in OW1. It was by no means OP. The downsides you mention for sure, but it was also accepting the fact that your team would have the worse ult economy, which was offset by Hog being able to hook and one shot a dps or support during/pre-ult. There were drawbacks to that playstyle, and advantages. It was dynamic, it was down to player skill, and you absolutely required protection from your team in order to do it successfully, otherwise you would feed.

It took forever to get games in 6v6. I much prefer 5v5. Tanks were so unpopular then and are still unpopular now. OP wants a weaker tank but two of them? So… make them less playable and even harder to fill teams?

really good stuff here. something about them trying to convince the audience that 5v5 was a more mathematically sound and fundamentally positive change for the game always rubbed me the wrong way. the original game was also developed with these concerns in mind, believe it or not. there was a reason the game was 6v6. just a really great dev team back then, and blizzard refuses to trust its history. good video, I miss loving this game

They ruined my favourite character McCree by nerfing his stun and his name.

My most favorite thing to do in Overwatch 1 as a DPS was shoot the tank, I cannot tell you how many times I lit up a rein as soldier and he would fall over. Now in Overwatch 2 it doesn't matter how much I shoot the tank, they don't fall over. The supports have absolutely insane get out of jail free cards, so why should I shoot them? That makes dps "easy" to shoot instead, why are the dps the easiest to eliminate in a role select game??