A Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic Player Try to See Eye to Eye 

I've felt like a badass declaring my summons and flipping over my traps. I've never felt cool playing Magic.

Yeah but magic has more fun formats. I just wish that Konami would give more love to other Yu gui oh formats.

@TiltedSquare on the other end, in MTG, playing to your outs in top decking mode and ripping the perfect card you were playing for is the most "heart of the cards" feeling.

@@kwagmeijer26 except we always tell "heart of the cards guide me" so who is the real winner here?

@@TiltedSquare you can do that in magic too though

Its true, mtg needs hard zones

@@blunk778 there is tourny rulings and large playre conses of bottom area lands, mid non-creatures and top creatures/equiped etc

​@@blunk778nah... just vague ones. Monsters here, lands there, enchants, artifacts and un-equips on the side(couldn't think of one word besides here and there...)

Its one of the reasons Im very hesitant to play MTG, despite some friends urging me to join them

MTG is a pure TCG, while YuGiOh is a manga adapted TCG

Yeah that part killed me! XD

The part about Yu-Gi-Oh basically writing its rules down on the card is such a good way of saying it. It makes a lot of sense now why cards are so long. The rules leave things open for the cards to fill in the blanks.

Magic has a basic set of rules, and card text always overwrites those basic rules. The comprehensive rules only explain in detail what the card text says

@@laytonjr6601 The point still stands though. Yu-Gi-Oh ONLY has the basic rules. There is no grand comprehensive guide to explain everything. MTG has that. It has 281 pages of explaining every single rule, every single mechanic and keyword. 95% of the time, if there's a debate on what a card can do or how it works, the MTG Comprehensive Rules are consulted to parse what is the case. There's also Gatherer, which will often have card specific rulings, so that's often a place people will look as well while someone else is checking the rules. Yu-Gi-Oh's rules are pretty much just spread out amongst the cards themselves alongside the occasional supplement from Konami.

This is honestly such a bad take. YuGiOh has a ton of specific rules that don't appear on any card and so much hidden in words that give no indication of being important. Take "properly summoned" for instance, it doesn't say anywhere that you can't reborn an extra deck monster that was foolished to the graveyard, but you can't, because the rules say so. Y'all might not realize this because you're so used to having to remember these extra rules, but Magic cards, generally, work exactly like the card says. Hexproof isn't a hidden rule, it's right there on the card. It gets its own line so you know that it matters. You just need to know what it means, and it's actually really easy to remember.

@@gamermancrygamer9461 Seems kinda obvious you either didn't pay attention to what I said or that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I mentioned that Yu-Gi-Oh sometimes has to put out articles describing how they intend cards to work, asserting specific rulings regardless of how much sense they make, solely because "Konami Says So". This includes your example of "properly summoned". With Magic, keywords only work BECAUSE the Comprehensive Rules exists to codify them. If a new player picks up a card and doesn't know what Hexproof is, they can easily do a search and find Rule 702.11 that says exactly what it is, instead of the card having to say "This permanent can't be the target of spells and abilities your opponents control." Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't have that, and likely never will, and that requires cards to have a mountain of text on them... and still sometimes Konami has to step in to clarify things. One is definitely better than the other, I won't argue that, but there is a reason why Yu-Gi-Oh cards are the way they are.

I saw a Digimon tcg video about what if Yugioh applied the timing keywords to Yugioh and it would definitely look a lot better. A simple [Once Per Turn] already tones it down to 3 or 4 words if you wanna include hard/soft Per Turn. Digimon also has [When Attacking], [Opponents turn], [All Turns], etc.

OCG has bullet points too, so I feel like if you combine those with timing keywords, it would be quite a bit nicer

​@@burpinator1that would be a soft once per turn, which is very abuseable in Yu-Gi-Oh!

They could use a symbol like the MTG Tap symbol at the start of the effect to indicate that it's once per turn and have each independent effect on the card be separated by a gap in the text so that each segment which needs a once per turn symbol can have one.

Look up OCG cards, even if you can't read Japanese, it's clear that effects are separated by bullet points, and they preface effects by listing off which effects are Once Per Turn.

Applies to literally every card game (just to varying degrees of severity)

I would say both MTG and Yugioh card text is like code, it's just that Yugioh cards are written by someone that outright refuses to use functions and instead re-writes the same block of code every time they want to re-use it, with all the readability problems and room for error that that entails.

@@MajesticSundew And that's why i am glad that the program MasterDuel exists now so that these errors are fixed automatically. They just need to fix the bugs in the program now.

Sweatlords will ruin a casual YGO format just like they ruin commander.

Try domain. It's fun

@Cybertech They can't "ruin the format," the entire format of casual EDH is literally built around customizing your play experience together so everyone is having fun. If a sweatlord is ruining your games, there's an easy solution: have a conversation with them about how they're stopping everyone else from having fun, and figure out how to solve that problem together as a pod! Communication is great, and healthy relationships take work!

@@Cybertech134 tcgs are in their nature competitive, it's inevitable that a player will win and the other will lose. But a format can be built with the aim of making people incentivized to play more casually, if between 10 player, 8 are trying their casual cooked deck, that would be good sign already.

​@@alicepbg2042 I really wish other yugitubers gave more attention to domain format. 😕

The problem is that there are other formats! There are Speed Duels and Rush Duels, the former of which we're worried about losing traction and support from Konami, and the latter has so far Japan-only. Time Wizard is supposed to be Konami's first foray into supporting fan-made formats such as GOAT and Edison, but it was only recently implemented, and doesn't have anywhere near as much as advertising or digital accessibility as it should.

​@@CrossKaizer Bro they need to be making Time wizard and Edison pre-made decks just like how magic does with pre-con Commander decks

Rush Duel is not a new format, it's a different game.

@@CrossKaizer I'd say part of the issue with with that is the first 2, while dynamic are kinda parasitic. For example, speed duels doesn't allow non-speed duels labeled cards in speed duels, even if you already have the card from the regular TCG, unnecessarily forcing you to buy extra pieces (though the pre-built speed duels decks do help by at least guaranteeing certain cards) and Rush Duels, on top of being Japan only, might as well just being a different card game with no overlap with regular yugioh. As for the latter, with time wizard formats, they are static formats. And while that can allow for some fun exploration, there is a limit to what can be explored. What yugioh needs is, in addition to advanced format, they need a format that has a shorter time length to it. I will always stand by the notion that yugioh biggest failing beyond the size of the cards themselves is not having a rotating format as an option for people to use as an easier on ramp.

I think it's actually worse than that. I literally play Goat Format and yet modern YGO remains impenetrable to me. Whereas I mostly play standard in MTG but I can easily follow a vintage or modern game too. There are a few nonsensical mechanics like enter the dungeon or banding but most of them are either banned or don't see play. The vast majority of cards I can just read once and understand what they do and how they play. YGO by contrast, you don't just need to understand one incomprehensible novel of a card, you have to understand how that card interacts with a whole archetype of other novel-length cards where the majority of the interactions are extremely obtuse. MTG doesn't have cards that tutor a guy that tutors a guy that tutors a guy that reanimates a guy that each do something else and then get tributed down a chain of 3 different extra deck monsters into an unbreakable board on turn one. There's just no conceivable way to know exactly what is about to happen to you by just reading the card and no way to even jump in and play with a precon deck without spending hours reading and rereading hundreds of sentences of text on your own cards and researching what combos into what. Whereas in MTG, with the exception of some particularly obtuse fringe decks like manaless dredge or lantern control, I can usually just pick up a netdeck and start playing, even for a format I've barely played, and be able to play just by reading the cards in my hand. Not optimally, but enough to have fun and start to learn.

Paul played YugiOh so he's the de facto victim

He has played with team AGS a year ago

@@Jabree yeah but not "real" yugioh, he played an old starter deck or something, Paul played commander with an upgraded precon 😂

@@fulgurobaboon1321 😂

@@nikolai1566 I'd argue commander isn't "real" magic either so...

I mean I suspect they're most likely getting at commander which seems to be the most popular format now. which does have competitive players but, in general is more about seeing what kind of bullshit each player can come up with.

@@TGPDrunknHick Yes but cEDH is super tense (even more then Modern/Legacy), and You need really hardcore assessment of what is happening in the game. Its the same broken cards (or even more) but you need to worry abaut 3 players, not one... I think cEDH is really hardest of all MTG formats to master (but still the one that have biggest "influence of randomness" to result of the match).

@@MareczqZglos true. I do think EDH and cEDH are somewhat different beasts though.

100% but unfortunately I have given up on yugioh I just don’t find it enjoyable anymore I used to LOVE it but after playing Magic and really delving into it I only worry about MTG and Pokemon

@@enzolarrosa536 yeah it’s not cool going to a yugioh tournament and 9/10 people are playing snake eyes

Domain (a format for more than 2 players) does exist but it's a fan format that few know about

Is that Japan is too damn slow, they should have made official tag format years ago

we do have a thing where you can play a 4 by 4 team battle

I'd pick up yugioh again if there was. Favorite format is commander, due to the social aspect.

They have tag duels in video games and anime. Could play that way. There's also Rush Duels. Saying Yugioh has no formats sounds unfair

It's a perfect comparison because most normal people think of lawyers as annoying and overly convoluted.

@@CiciColino It's also perfect because how a single word can change everything and make you fail or succeed.

Cause he's Larry in the role...😂

Because larry is shaped like a teddybear. It makes him seem non-confrontational. XD

Might be experience lmao

Well 2 skit Larry as therapist

Also time wizard formats, which is gaining popularity

Issue is time wizard isn't well defined in an official sense and doesn't lend itself to "discovering" interactions with new product. Some cards are getting reprinted but other cards are just kinda lost to time. New format need to be capable with modern product.

The thing is Speed Duels and especially Rush Duels are not formats but are essentially different games that use the same art (for speed duels cards). Like it;s not really a format when you can't use the cards you already have. Granted there is some crossover with Speed Duels but then you need skill cards which you won't have. Rush Duels essentially just uses the IP and is a completely different game. It is a format as much as Dungeon Dice Monsters is a format (btw why don't we bring back DDM?). With that said the Speed Duel boxes are pretty cool for draft formats with a group of people. But again the restriction that you cna only use Speed Duel cards makes it a different game not a format. I think it is pretty dumb of Konami to just forbid you to use your Yu-Gi-Oh card of, let's say Lava Golem and insists you must buy Speed Duel sets in order to play. They want Speed Duel to be the stepping stone, meaning they don't intend to let Yu-Gi-Oh players transition into Speed Duel, they just want the opposite. This alone I think hurts Speed Duels.

@@Galloglaoch ddm was kind of overly complicated especially for the younger audience it was intended for back in the day. I don't think Konami can sustain all 4 ips.

​@@Galloglaoch So you can use Speed Duel cards in regular Yu-Gi-Oh! but not the other way around?

Probably. Just depends on what you prefer. You want card draw to be common? Play Magic You want searching to be common? Play Yugioh You want both to be common? Play Digimon

@@ryanthecringeanimator9541 How about if I want neither to be common?

@Cybertech134 then you play monopoly

@@ryanthecringeanimator9541 That's not a card game.

@Cybertech134 it's a game and it has cards. Only board games don't feature prominent draws or prominent searches.

Duel Masters also started out as a magic the gathering manga and pivoted to its own game later ive heard (the manga didnt have a fan translation last i looked)

And it is finally coming to North America, I'm really looking forward to reading a physical version of it.

It's getting a western release sometime soon. At least official MTG twitter said so.

Its a wrath of god against human tribal specifically

@@Creepy___ zombie apocalypse. It's a card

"I'm playing machina"

The best part is you are running a commander and they never seen it before or never thought it was possible to run it near a competitive level then they say "Don't ever play that against me again". And that is when you know you made a great deck out of a bad commander, bonus points if the deck is about $50 USD or under as even if the cards in the deck are low costing the price would actually add up because again it is a 100 card deck

That’s kinda of weird if it’s games among friends, just because Snake eyes is the top deck doesn’t mean you and your friends need to play it? This feels like a weird comparison.

@@kingkitthe2nd I didn't say it was a game among friends. I said I saw a coworker at locals. If you're paying to play your skull servant turbo deck at locals, you're losing bud. In magic, it's not like that. That's the point. You can have fun and have a chance of winning with whatever commander deck you want.

@@lit_wick Gotcha that’s fair but I still do find comparing commander to yugioh’s one format odd, at least compare it to standard. Don’t get me wrong though commander existing at all is just a plus over yugioh. Ah also you didn’t have to go that low as an example of power level with skull servant.

The main issue I have with digimons is I loose track of where my memory gauge is at when you pass turn

@brandonhowell5096 unless your opponent doesn't have social skills I don't see how that's possible. If I get lost, I just ask my opponent what I'm at. Also, there's an automatic fan made sim for digimon now, so it can be less of an issue.

What made me fall in love with Force of Will in 2015 was their resource system being a separate deck. You accumulate 1 stone from the deck at the start of your turn, kinda like hearthstone. It had its own power creep issues and horrible sets that killed the local game store scene in the US. But man was the game fun while it lasted.

@@DynamiteDominique I've seen a little bit of Force of Will and thought the Core "mana" system was neat. As well again these are systems that ease you into the game until you get the resource to go nutty. Which leads to only the badly designed cards to be dealt with via banlists. If Yugioh had a hard 3 Special Summons a turn limit I think casuals would find it a lot more welcoming, then going to a local and getting to face down a full board turn 2.

and it’s all thanks to one thing. a resource aka mana. since yugioh doesn’t use a fuel, this leads to requirements being made to play cards. which is ironically 90% of the text on most cards lol

magic has had a few almost archetypes in the past year or so, but it's not at a game breaking level. It's more of a "this set is focused around this mechanic", so you might get a set that introduces a lot of new cards that work with "poison tokens", and that gives more options to that kind of strategy, but doesn't limit your card use

U mean mtg right?

That would be so cool. They could play the cards and have them summon actual life size monsters! Imagine how cool an anime battle with a real Blue Eyes White Dragon would be! woah : )

@@cichlisuite666 yugioh shows alrdy exist

@@matthewlugo2417 well yes Yugioh has shows but not one specifically about the lore of archetypes (Inpachi or Sky Strikers for example). There’s some official manga now that covers lore of different archetypes but no anime. The closest we got to that is the promotion video Konami made for their new animation studio.

@@matthewlugo2417 no, YGO

no offense but i dont think that snobbishness is local i dnt even play yugioh anymore outside of simulators like master duel and only occasionally too but 1 of my few interaction with a mtg player was over a decade ago discussing yugioh with a friend riding the subway and some guy who sat next to us said "stop playing that trash and play a real game like mtg" as he got off on his stop and the only friend i know irl that use to plays mtg swore off the community i discovered and watched soem videos by some mtg content creators during the whole 30th anniversary debacle a while back since it ended up dragging yugioh into a bit and honestly ive noticed many of them seem to have some air of ostentatious to their behavior though this could just be me more use to yugioh content creators who're more chill like team aps for example but someone like mbt yugioh who apparently was a mtg player also has this air to him too overall with how much more yugioh and mtg collab or comparison related videos that popped up recently ive noticed how for the most hostile or nastiest comments/post even though both sides would engage in such behavior the majority is from the mtg side and even some of the low-key ones are rather passive-aggressive too like hell the current longest comment chain in this comment section of this video even has some guy replying 5 times in a row taking a shot at yugioh of all interaction i had with a mtg player online i only have 2 favorable impression with 1 person going in a lengthy discussion on how each of our mechanics works and what can interact or not and someone else who found yugioh mechanics really interesting like how xyz summoning essentially places the materials into some sort of twilight zone but the mtg community in general does not leave a good impression

@@YukiFubuki. I didn't mean to imply it was an exclusively local phenomenon, merely to relay my personal experience of it, which was in a local context.

I understand the sentiment, but do keep in mind that we were both just hamming it up for the entertainment value, so don't take our sass TOO directly.

@@TeamAPS That's ribbing in good company, a completely different beast. Didn't realize I was making that comparison, was just realying a related experience of mine.

@@countjondi9672same, i get that both the professor and team aps is hamming it up keeping with the pattern of their prior crossovers but taking into considering what you said and my own experience along with my current circle of friends where most of them view mtg rather neutrally or negatively im not sure if the professor is really just hamming it up or this is simply par for course

Oh I totally hear you. Then the player will act like it's some big bother to move their commander off to the side like it's /supposed/ to look like it's in play. It's so annoying!

there are archetypes, don't know if yugioh archetypes fit the same description, but in magic starting with colour identities and later asking any magic player about midrange, combo, aggro or control, then you have aristocrats; tokens, counters (kinda go "wide" or "tall" differences), voltron, reanimation... pretty well defined.

@@wirdoasymmetry yes I heard about these things but it seems the cards are rather lose connected with each other while yugioh has stronger connections between cards but also several more lose defined cards.

​@@AmazonessamyI feel like Archetypes in yugioh are more akin to creature types in magic.

@@TheSupporter76 not really. Yugioh creature types would be pyro or warrior but apart from these yugioh has archetypes which sometimes end up mentioning other cards in their text by name so they can be searched or get bonus effects when the other card is on the field as well. Or does magic just have this in a form of having hundreds of creature types? Like how many creature types are there in magic? Google says it's actually a lot like 280. While yugioh has 350+ archetypes. So can be compared I guess 🤔

@@Amazonessamy there are utilities mixed from various races, or they overlap, but also strategies that dont follow any particular type or race of creature. That's where I guess archetypes dont have an exact paralel between yugioh and mtg at least in that sense. Yes we have dragons, elves and zombies with a lot of support to make strats by themselves but you can even make a "creature-less" decks and go with stacks, combo or fringe mechanics.

to be fair morph has existed before and what was in Karlov manor was just stronger morph

People laughed at Yugioh GX being a school

There are,Piercing Damage(but still need explained what piercing is in card text ==")

From what I understand, it also stops it from ever being a "your turn is also my turn" deal like it is in Yugioh, which is a huge bonus.

Force of Will had a separate deck for its mana.

@@Entropic_Alloy what was a solution I thought would fix that problem. a 20-minimum card deck that you would put all your lands in

YGO players not even a hard one to guess Pokemon TCG is almost what OG YGO was back in the late 90's early 2K