ABC News' Linsey Davis sits down with the woman at the center of the landmark 'Roe vs. Wade' abortion case, Shelley Thornton, also known as 'Baby Roe.'
everybody must take sides against evil or perish. We have free will you can choose for good, if you don't choose for good you're automatically choosing for evil! there is no fence sitting when you stand before Jesus and he called out your judgment. Remember the four last things death judgment Heaven or hell!!!!
@@ashleylamarche9306 it's understandable when she is placed in that position. She wants to keep her inner peace. But there's no rest in this life because we're in a struggle against evil.. We all must speak out and stand against evil or we are complicit with it. We will be judged accordingly to what we done and what we have failed to do. There is no neutral corner before the judgment's throne of God.
I think that kind of signals lasting damage. Resentment is not healing. It's a good thing she has her biological sister to connect with and garner an understanding of her mother. I am taking Shelly's side, but sense there is a lot of hurt there that time alone has not fully healed. I would not advise a friend or family member to take that approach. Hopefully she continues to manage and surrounds herself with those who love her.
@Lilman Yellow - Birth control is not guaranteed. People cannot be consistent and if they have GI issues they forget to use back up. Only abstinence is 100%
Are you kidding? Her words are neither true nor balanced! Her biological mother gave her life when she could have resorted to having an abortion-she absolutely deserved to see the daughter whom she saved but was pressured to kill! Her attitude ought to be one of gratitude and thankfulness to God!
@@otisjenkinsjr.3556 And glancing at some of your other comments, you really have a problem with her. Why? Do you not understand that she had nothing to do with Roe vs Wade? No more to do with it than YOU or me.
The fact that she thought everyone would blame her for abortion being made legal, when she was a literal child, shows just how messed up this world has become.
Well it must have been her parents, bc if you listen, even the people most strongly against a mother's right to kill her own child in her womb, would never blame an innocent child for it, that is exactly the opposite of their cause.
I am a man who almost was not. My mother wanted an abortion but my grandmother talked her out of it and started raising me when she was 80 years old. Thank you for saving my life grandma.
@@darthmader057mmm6 I don't. That is the way of a vengeful mind. She was suffering with drug and alcohol problems and passed away from an over dose. I would rather be thankful that she took my grandmother's advice and let me live. That is better in my heart than hating her and wishing her ill.
@@darthmader057mmm6 no worries mate. I completely understand. I feel blessed to have been raised by my grandma. She taught me to forgive. "In a world that seems full of darkness make sure that the only thing you bring is light."
I remember how my mother wanted to abort me when she was pregnant with me. I don’t talk to her, she raised me and my childhood was living hell. So much hell I left the country and had my daughter here. Those two women were given a chance in life growing up with two beautiful families. I used to run away from home. Not all families are family. The mother didn’t do well in life, but at least she did good knowing that she wasn’t good enough for them to raise them, that she was a dark person. Not all mothers can raise a child, not all parents can be nurturing parents.
I CAN'T BELIEVE reporters jumped her walking down the street and heartlessly broke the news that she was not only adopted, but that she is the Roe baby. How disgusting. I'm glad she grew up in a loving, supportive family; its hard to imagine how much worse things could've been for her.
I think that was the part that tipped the scales for me. Provided that everything said in this interview is the truth, I no longer defend NC as a pro life advocate and that’s a shame to me cuz we did need her but we needed an honest advocate not a pawn in someone’s power game or a con artist vying for attention and money. One of the 10 commandments is Thou shalt not bear false witness. That’s what happened here and there’s no telling what the ramifications will be down the road.
friendly reminder: not all kids that go into the foster care system go into loving homes. most get put into the care of abusive parents. the foster care system is absolutely insane and there are still thousands of children in the system that will most likely be in there until they’re “old enough to take care of themselves”. it’s these rare cases that makes me have hope for the future of this country, but i believe abortion 100% should stay legal because of all of the mental and physical health aspects of it.
You realize that kids will go into adoption agencies and not foster care systems? Literally like 95% of kids who go into the foster care system are from pre-existing households they were born into. So, now you just made an argument for killing kids in foster care, not killing unborn humans. Congrats on supporting genocide!
@anonymous so what's moving in a pregnant woman's stomach? Is she controlling it herself? No it's a baby and it's alive so of course we just kill the ones in the womb when we try to solve out the kids that do suffer even though everybody's going to suffer because that's life
Thank you! In most situations where abortion is desired is where the living situations are going to be bad for a child regardless. Sentencing both a child and mother to a hard life is not fair to either of them. I would’ve been fine being aborted if my birth would’ve cause issues like that
Yeah except let’s remember that shitty parents will keep having children who end up in the system. Abortion does not stop children from ending up in foster care.
OK, as a Christian, I can tell you: God would NEVER tell ANYONE to bomb a clinic, no matter what treatment or surgery they are performing. We value LIFE above all things, and that goes for EVERYONE! How dare they do such hate crimes saying "God told them to". That's blasphemy and shameful!!!! This is a touchy subject, but as the Bible says, "let's REASON together."
Isaiah 1:18, where the prophet says to Judah, “'Come now, and let us reason together,' says the Lord, 'Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be as wool. '”
I agree but the Christian faith emphasises faith and Abraham is praised for his willingness to sacrifice his son although he was stopped in the nick of time. The Old Testament is filled with examples of God telling people to kill people for one thing or another including committing genocide. I agree people should question any voice in their head that says its God. People think God has guided them to this or that or spoken to them. It's wrong but it's what a lot of people believe. The bombing of abortion clinics is something almost no one of any religion would ever do but unfortunately when a religion teaches that God speaks to people and has as much bloodshed as The Old Testament contains it is going to sadly result in some awful stuff. Plus I suppose the notion of the sacrificing people for the greater good eg lots of innocent people are killed in wars does send a message that the ends justify the means. It's appalling killing abortion doctors but in their minds it's justified and they are protecting the innocent from killers. I agree it's horrible and can't be allowed to happen though. I guess it's like stopping terrorists. If someone thinks doing the wrong thing is in fact the right thing change their minds is hard.
@@jamesrobertson432 those “Christians” are not christians. “If a man says he loves me, but hates his brother he is a liar and is not of me” What do you mean by genocide? Also Abraham was praised for his obedience and humbled spirit. It was to know God’s love in context to know how painful it would be for God to sacrifice his son for sin.
I was adopted and feel like my biological parents made their decision by giving me up as a baby. Now that I am an adult that decision is mine, I have no regrets, for never reaching out to meet them. My adopted parents were my parents they are the ones who raised me and gave me my values. These other people just gave me the opportunity to live which might have turned out differently if abortion was legal when I was born.
For lots of BM it’s a big sacrifice to give up their baby for adoption. I believe that most would want to keep their baby and raise it but they simply have. Other choice
You have no idea what kind of challenges your birth mother was facing. It's possible she was very young, and not supported by her family. She may have been shamed for getting pregnant. She may have been raped. It is not an easy decision to give up a child. She may also have been pressured in to giving you up.
You're lucky. My bio mom got custody of me (she was white my dad is black) and my life was a nightmare bound to her. I finally got away and my dad got custody when I was 14. I thank God I was able to live with a parent who loved me and set an example for me. I still deal with the trauma of what that woman put us through, I'll find a way to forgive her maybe when I die.
I feel sorry for the women and children in those states, just last week in Ohio a TEN year old girl who was raped and 6weeks pregnant had to travel to Indiana to get an abortion, the law makers in Ohio would have preferred a TEN YEAR OLD CHILD BE FORCED TO HAVE HER RAPISTS BABY! that is disgusting
Me too. She should feel no blame for anything. She didn't choose for her mother to do this. My heart before her, so glad she was raised in a good loving home at least. I cant even imagine what has gone through Shelly's mind and heart 😔
@@bigred4379 True.... In the fact that it had taken the supreme court 50 years to undo their mistake. Notice you said "law was passed." And that's what they did despite them not being a law making body. Sure, they have an effect on laws via interpretation but this was creating a law with the weakest constitutional support they could find, which does not stand up to the weakest scrutiny" for something the constitution does not discuss. And it had taken 50 years for the court to grow a spine and consider reversing the deadlock they created on the people and the representatives to make their own laws. The fact that this is still just as contentious shows how significantly the 1973 court erred and made itself a political body. It's also pretty interesting that despite the hundreds of petitions to the supreme Court to consider limiting or overruling Roe, the many times Democrats had full control over government they never took the time to codify roe into actual law instead of just a court precedent that acted like one.
I used to work with Jennifer. She was my supervisor. A reporter came to our job looking to speak with her, and that's when she told me who her mother was. God bless her and her family. She still looks the same.
This is something I would normally never share on social media but due to the current situation. I feel it's necessary to get a point across. I was raped as a 17 year old and became pregnant. Everyone around me pushed for having an abortion. I decided to keep the baby and from something that was the most traumatic experience I my life. Came something that's been the most beautiful and loved thing in my life. I don't look at my son and remember the trauma. It's actually been an extremely healing experience. I cried with joy after I first laid eyes on him. Now everyone regrets pushing for abortion. My parents went white in the face after I mention what could of happened to my son. I never mentioned it again. Why should my son have paid the price for something he no control over? It wasn't his fault and now he's an A student and incredibly gifted athlete
I wonder where their fathers are. That woman didn't just 'find herself pregnant.' There has to be more of holding men accountable for bringing up their children.
Maybe so, but the mother is STILL CHOOSING to murder that baby and she would do it wether or not the Father is involved or not. I have SEEN a Father BEG the mother "not to kill OUR child" while she goes into the abortion clinic. Abortion needs to be addressed from the pulpit on Mothers DAy.
@@allyip5777 indeed. Not just that. We need action. There have to be policies that encourage men to do their duties as fathers and penalise them when they don't. Most men walk away because they can. There are many women who would keep the baby if they knew someone would support them psychologically and financially.
@@sheldonhatch8255 yeah, she is a wonderful symbol for how religion must be separated from law and a stern reminder that passionate protest can turn violent, so you must be wary of whatever cause you fight for. The fact that people bombed abortion clinics and killed dozens of people breaks one of the highest commandments. Not form of being a Martyr for the cause can justify this lunacy. I can only pray to God for the day 10 year old rape victims are freed from the grotesque body deformation, mutilation, and probable death that the victim would have endured without intervention. We need abortion protection to come back so the idiocy of people like the judge in Ohio who denied a 10 year old incestual rape victim the right to have a potentially lifesaving medical procedure done can be prevented.
What a traumatic way to find out about your biological parent. It's so sick and cruel what those reporters did to her. I'm glad she now realizes it's not really about her. And what a blessing to have found her biological sister. God bless them. ❤️🙏🏽
But it is, in a sense, about her. It is about the fact that she could've been aborted. The decision revolved around whether she grew up to be this woman we see before us... Or not. And she wasn't even part of the decision, one that was about her and around her.
If you dont like abortions don't get one." Mind your own business. "If that's the case" "If you dont like guns don't get one" "If you dont wanna get pregnant don't have s_ex in the first place". "The problem with abortion is that it steals the most innocent form of life. Don't say you fight for human rights if you don't fight for it at the very beginning," "If a baby has seperate DNA then a mother dependency does not rely on child support"
If you dont like abortions don't get one." Mind your own business. "If that's the case" "If you dont like guns don't get one" "If you dont wanna get pregnant don't have s_ex in the first place". "The problem with abortion is that it steals the most innocent form of life. Don't say you fight for human rights if you don't fight for it at the very beginning," "If a baby has seperate DNA then a mother dependency does not rely on child support"
@@anonymousreaper2186 not everyone seeking an abortion does so because they want to. Politicians, judges and the average American aren't qualified or intelligent enough to determine a medical emergency, and that's why we shouldn't be passing legislation based on opinions. And if you look at the facts regarding gun safety, it makes more sense to ban them than to tell someone not to buy them. You can end up shot without exercising your constitutional right to bear arms, especially in the US. But you can end up having an abortion with every intention carrying your child to term. Not at all the same.
There are people in the comments here stating things to the effect of “I was almost aborted, I’m so glad I wasn’t, I love life and I love being alive”. That sentiment isn’t bad, but it only tells people one type of story and one string of emotions. I like being alive, not all the time, but I’m not suicidal by any means. I don’t wish for death. I don’t regret being alive. I love music and flowers and poetry and powerlifting, I care for my family greatly, I try to cherish everything in life I can, I look to the future and I don’t see a blackening tunnel. My mother, however, didn’t like being alive and she didn’t like me being alive either. I was raised in a household where I wasn’t wanted, if I chose to be anything but a figurative doll to dress up and play with, I was treated as if I were less important than everything and everyone else around me. This carried on until I ran away and I haven’t looked back since. I’m in a much better place now albeit, but I still wish my mother had the option to abort me, and I wish everyone in the place of possibly being a mother had that option as well. I could’ve gone to a loving home, I could’ve been given up into the arms of people who wouldn’t have treated me in a damaging way. I could’ve lived a life far from the one I did. I didn’t though, and I will never get my pained childhood, nor the years I spent after patching up what shouldn’t have been broken in the first place, back. It’s good I’m here now, but no one should be forced to have a child they don’t want, no child should be brought into a home that doesn’t want them from before their first breaths. Some might go into good homes, and that’s wonderful, but others won’t. That’s inevitable, yes, but it should be avoided as much as possible. I’m one of the lucky ones, I chose to keep going, I chose to fix what my mother and the people around her broke. Not everyone chooses that route, not everyone comes out with scars; some come out of it with an ashy headstone.
I'm sorry you had those experiences.That's so wonderful that you recognized the things that were wrong in your childhood and put a stop to it. Fortunately, it sounds you have learned from the past and don't repeat the errors of generations' past for your family.
I’m so sorry for what happened to you. I was a case where I should’ve been aborted (not only was I an affair child, I was quite literally killing my mom), but wasn’t. My mom survived and I was a “miracle child”. I didn’t grow up with the same abuse as you, but I lived with my dad for the most part and for a good majority of my life and I wished I was aborted. My dad blamed me for all of his short-comings and was verbally abusive. I never felt wanted and was kept distant from my entire family. I need to talk to professionals, I still haven’t gotten to that point where I’ve gotten help yet, but everyone around me seems to think that I have some form of PTSD from what happened to me as a kid. I straight up cannot interact with children because it reminds me of my past and I get hostile. I refuse to have kids until I get mental help. I’m too afraid that I’ll end up treating a child like how my dad treated me and continue that wretched cycle of abuse. If I were to get pregnant (which I likely wouldn’t considering I practice abstinence), I couldn’t bring myself to put a child up for adoption. It’s too much of a gamble. I would choose abortion if I had to. You put it best: you were lucky, but a lot of us aren’t. Many unwanted children throw in the towel too early and give up on existing, and that’s a choice no one should have to make for themselves. I fear that would become a more frequent issue than it already is if mothers aren’t allowed to make the choice that’s right for them. I hope that maybe one day I might feel healthy enough to start a family, give a child the good life I wish I had when I was their age. But until then, I have a strict “no having kids” policy lol Congrats on breaking the cycle, I hope to be as strong as you one day.
@@simply_a_human Seek life-giving help. You are worth it and did not deserve the bad way you were treated as a child. Consider that Christ Jesus said of anyone who harms a child that "it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck and that he were drowned in the depths of the sea."
This interview was extremely well done and it was so powerful. Shelley Lynn Thornton is a truly strong woman and we need more people like her in the world.
She's not real idiot she's an actress what do you think all of a sudden they just dug up Roe versus Wade baby right before Roe versus Wade was switched give me a break but when are you people going to wake the f******
This was an awesome interview. But her answers are everything. She held her head up high, said her truths and is still processing this in a healthy way, with her sister. May God continue to bless her and protect her. IJN. 🙏🏻🌻 “the poster child” is now “the child that was saved”.
Yep, like her mentally unstable mother who helped legalize abortion. When I'm talking to strict anti-abortion people, I like to remind them that a lot of these women aren't women who should even have babies. They're going to traumatize the babies with their liberal human-hating "I should do anything I want without repercussion" ideology. And we don't want more of these kind walking around.
The interviewer was biased and hurt her own message. There are key details to all of this left out meant to paint a very specific picture. As all media is wont to do.
The interviewer kept trying to make "Baby Roe" a victim-hood saint. "Baby Roe" gave a stellar performance & by giving this interview, made herself the "victim." She never spoke to her birth mother, which is her right, & then she refused to forgive that same mother, also her right under "free agency." As I see it, she turns out to be the victim she claimed not to be. I see a book deal in the making, which again is "Baby Roe's" right to do; however, two wrongs don't make a right.
Thank you for offering this interview, Shelley. I hope you're doing well during this time. You've made your feelings and thoughts very clear for history, and there was no expectation, no necessity for you to. Again, thank you.
Most people would have taken the opportunity to profit off this type of situation. Kudos to her for staying neutral and wanting to be removed from the situation. Jane, we are so glad you are here with us today and that you are such a strong, inspirational lady.
Like she said, she had absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm glad she and her half sister found each other and have a loving bond. That right there is priceless. It's also great that she was fortunate enough to be adopted into a loving, safe and healthy functioning family.
I respect her for staying out of it. I myself am pro choice. My view is that it should be every woman's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion and it should be up until the fetus is considered viable (meaning it has reached a stage of development where it is capable of living, under normal conditions, outside the uterus). With laws like the one in texas (with the heartbeat act also known as the six week abortion ban) it could potentially make it really tough for women in Texas who have things like PCOS (and thus have irregular cycles and wouldn't be aware if they missed a period, aka one of the earliest signs of pregnancy) to have access to abortion because they might find out they're pregnant after it's too late for them to get an abortion. Basically banning or placing extremely restrictive time limits on abortion really fucks over many women.
@@zetavalentine 100% disagree, I feel like most of what you said is extremely misleading. I completely respect your position though, as long as you don't try to push it on someone else.
@@zetavalentine Well, first of all, you said "a woman should only get an abortion when she physically can't handle carrying a baby, including rape cases". That is simply not true. Most women could theoretically still carry to term, the fact that she was raped doesn't represent a threat to her health. Sure, she would be shocked and horrified, but from a medical perspective she could still give birth. Therefore, I'm not sure why you're justifying abortions when the woman is raped. I feel like it's because you think it wasn't her fault, therefore it's her choice whether she wants to carry to term. That means you have some old-fashioned view of sex, and believe women should not engage in casual sex. That is fine, I don't have any issue with that, but you can't justify some abortions and say others are wrong. The reason people fight to keep abortion legal is because it is a human right, it's their body that is keeping the fetus live. Now, I personally don't believe in objective morality. I don't think there is always a right and wrong, and practicality is always preferable to morality (this one is always subjective). I'm ok with people disliking abortions, no matter the reason, but I do have a problem when you try to make what you think is "wrong" illegal for everyone else. I'm an atheist and anti-christian activist, but I never even thought about getting rid of religious freedom, or burning all churches.
@@zetavalentine Hmm well, those cases tend to be extremely singular so it's hard to talk about all of them at once. The ones you mentioned (where both the mother and the baby might die) are uncommon, so I assume you're talking about ectopic pregnancies. But more often than not, only the mother's health is compromised, meaning she'll probably survive but with serious medical conditions. Even then, you technically couldn't justify an abortion, cause both the mother and the baby will survive. What I'm trying to say is that abortion bans are completely impractical, and the countries where abortion is banned often have more dangerous abortions (and overall) than those where it's legal. It may be weird to hear but abortions actually decrease in countries where it's legal.
@@zetavalentine By anti-christianity I mean opposition to Christianity and its practices in general, such as school prayers, anti-abortion movements, anti-gay marriage and such. All we do is try to make sure Christianity and all religions in general don't interfere with anyone's life, cause most of the social issues I mentioned can be traced back to religion. I personally oppose any religions, but Christianity is the main one in my country hence the name.
My niece (13 at the time) was raped by my cousin (29 at the time). My niece had a safe abortion in a hospital and received intense counselling. She is now 28 and has decided to focus on her career. She has been in a steady relationship for over 4 years and wants to wait until 30 to get married and start a family. My cousin went to prison for the rape. I am grateful to be South African and know that a rapist has no say in when my niece should become a mother. She has a choice.
No matter what it is a spiritual matter and if she doesn’t receive Christ it will haunt her for the rest of her life and it may destroy her. My sister took her life because of having an abortion at 15 thinking she had no choice and it destroyed her emotionally and spiritually and she could never forgive herself and finally hung herself violently from the ceiling fan with a plug 🔌 in her trachea. It’s not that simple! It’s MURDER and it affects whoever is involved with it and you can’t convince many of us otherwise! I was adopted and I’m thankful my biological parents had enough love not to abort me, but to give me up for adoption instead! There are other “choices” that don’t involve killing!
@@JKBelle She's doing quite well actually. She struggled and blamed herself for the rape initially but she is living her life to the fullest now. She knows she is not a murderer. She knows her inner Christ is always with her and she is loved by her family and peers. She is a productive member of society. That's all she ever wanted. Thank God no man won in controlling her body.
@@jillcooper6371 a lot of cases that go to the Supreme Court end like this. Like that girl who said she didn't get to her college of choice because of affirmative choice. By the time there was a ruling she had already graduated and was working.
Norma was a toxic person & had many issues. This daughter realize that & is better off not allowing her mother to be in her life. Some people you can only love from a great distance & Norma is one of those mothers. That's reality. I'm so glad that this daughter was raised by two really good, healthy people & is able to have a realtionship with the biological sister.
This poor woman. I feel their pain and can’t even imagine what they have suffered having had a mother like that 🤦🏾♀️ it was for the best she never raised any of them.
The birth mother really said “she found herself pregnant again”??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 You don’t “find yourself pregnant”! You KNOW how you got pregnant!!! And after the first UNWANTED pregnancy, you’d think she would prevent becoming pregnant a second and then a third time!! 🤦♀️
That's the thing, abortion became a birth control option for being careless sexually. I can understand in the case of the health of the mother, incest or rape but just as a former of birth control? Just horrible. I don't know how they sleep at night.
I agree with her daughters that their mom was kind of crazy as she moved from pro-choice to pro-life depending on which group would pay her more money of give her publicity. Thankfully her daughters were adopted to loving families because their natural mom never seemed in the right state of mind to raise any of them......Even right until the end their natural mother didn't seem to completely sane.
I would have thought she was maybe 40 . She speaks like a lady who feels no need or want in Drama. She sounds like a women with real honest conviction, unlike 98% of most female's this lady has her plan's.
The fact that they were both adopted is somewhat ironic (even though they were adopted years before the 1973 ruling). The nurture they experienced from each of their adopted families was absolutely amazing. I admire the courage they displayed in sharing their stories.
You are a credit to the world. The fact that you survived not only a horrible ordeal, but continued ordeal that most of would have caved under. I applaud you and thank you for telling us your story. More people need to hear it. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
If abortion is not legalized and unwilling women are forced to endure the pregnancy, programs should be placed to help women recuperate and aid them raise the children they didn't want. And in the first place, many don't want kids because they lack the resources that are affordable and accessible. If not, what's the point of being pro life if we stop taking care of the mother and child after birth?
Well we have like almost the most help to low income people in the world. Public housing, WIC, food stamps, medical assistance, child care assistance, grants to go to college, non profits out there to help low income people. I know people on those programs who honestly live better than a ton of people. Like what more do you need?
I am SO very glad she is not allowing herself to be used by any side of this discussion. She is living her life with joy and integrity and I applaud her.
@@ts4231 no she is wise so that the right and the left doesn't use her for their side. She is choosing to not disclose so she is no longer bothered and used as a pawn
Shelly was handed a freaking amazing opportunity to escape her Mother...and in the face of "you should forgive her" she stands calm and firm. THAT is privileged decision that only SHELLY gets to make.
For sure. But as anyone who recognizes how humans are truly wired, unforgiveness is a weight that you the individual carries, not something the other person mainly carries. And it's something that stands against us when we need others to forgive and be gracious to us
@@oakinwol you talk against yourself now! First you claim that forgiveness is for the person who has been hurt, not for the one who hurted her. Then you say we might need to be forgiven by others, but why would we need that? If we do something wrong and the person we hurted forgives us but the one who gains from is is that person,not us,then why should we care if someone forgives us or not???
@@mrsTraveller64 I didn't say that the other person doesn't feel the unforgiveness at all. I said it's a weight that's "mainly" carried by the person harboring unforgiveness. Unforgiveness is a weight on the person who does it, both from the perspective of carrying it but ALSO from the perspective of the hypocrisy of wanting and needing others forgiveness and grace because no one is perfect. A person who does wrong, but forgives and remains unforgiven by someone who does wrong and doesn't forgive will have less weight than the person who both doesn't forgive but still desires forgiveness from others when they fall short.
@@oakinwol Well, if I do something really bad it doesn't matter how much the other person would or wouldn't forgive me, the thing I'd had done would not erase or get smaller, it would still be exactly as big and bad as it was when I did it. So forgiveness after big horrible things doesn't matter.
Leave this woman alone. Damn. She should not be the face of either movement. Both sides believe (minimally) that once someone is a baby and born, that they have a right to life. Let this woman live.
Wonderfully said! It is interesting that the ruling really had no impact on her birth. I can understand why people want to hear her perspective, but she is amazing for taking the stance that her position is too personal to discuss. I'm in awe of this woman and how she has handled how people have tried to exploit her.
I’ll be out on the open. I am not pro-choice except under extenuating circumstances where there’s an incompatibility with life for either mother and child. But where I differ with you and conservatives completely is that (minimally) pro-life people are not for the child’s right to life at all. Right to life doesn’t stop at birth, it begins. And that means providing care and economic support for them and the parent. And conservatives want to turkey stuff their gullets about protecting the baby’s rights to life while denying them healthcare and access to food and affordable shelter. I’m pro-life, but the buck doesn’t stop there. Most women seeking abortions are economically disadvantaged. That means, if you’re going to force a birth, that means you must be pro right to life, pro healthcare, pro housing, food and education. Conservatives are a bunch of hypocrites!
@@sadepennbrook I’m shocked people like you are out there and it gives me some hope. I always hear pro-life people stop dead before they talk or even consider the life of a child after they were born, and had to be someone’s responsibility. It’s always “well, she should’ve kept her legs closed” when time comes to feed, clothe and nurture- but there’s no money or no love, even. I don’t like abortions nor the idea of them, but I’d never have so little compassion to force a woman, against her will, to give birth and then abandon her and her child to their own devices. If I’m not willing to *personally* take responsibility for them, then accept the fact that it’s her body and her decision. I really don’t think the U.S will have a good support system for mothers and kids any time soon, so the best alternative becomes safe, free and easy contraceptives/education and access to abortions if it has to come down to that. In the end it comes down to facts and statistics: who/what has helped women and children more? Not conservatives, and not pro-life policies, that’s for sure.
@@sadepennbrook There's some false premises and data there. Right wing affiliate groups are more likely to adopt and more likely to donate to crisis centers (which you can find through Live Action). Sure, many of us don't put action to our beliefs. But many of us do. We continually think through different solutions of continual care for both the mother and the baby as communities while maintaining limits of jurisdiction at the federal, state, and local level.
@@sadepennbrook you're completely wrong. The Catholic Church which is obviously pro-life, spends more money feeding hungry people via charitable contributions than any other organization in the world.
I am adopted, I’m also pro choice, and I 100% understand and empathize where this woman is coming from. I respect her for keeping her opinion on the matter private, and I understand why she feels the way she feels. She had nothing to do with this and she owes us no explanation.
@@krissifaith6709 why is that supposed to be surprising? There's a countless number of very valid reasons why one would be pro- choice based in morality and science rather than religious or conservative brainwash... More and more I find that's it's the conservative rights reprehensible ideals that make me more and more supportive of abortion, as in, they all should've been aborted.
@@krissifaith6709 many many kids who are adopted or end up in foster care… are very pro choice. Until you are given up by a parent or watch your siblings be taken by CPS and separated in foster care I feel like your question bit shortsighted. Even worse if a parent wants all their kids but isn’t mentally or physically well enough to care for their kids, the harm that creates for the parent, and the kids is beyond devastating. There is so much abuse that happens in foster care and in the homes of families who did not want or cannot support having children. Being anti choice also strips the children of the ability to have a stable life free of abuse and neglect.
My biological mother was raped by my biological father, I'm grateful she did not even think of abortion, and that she instead eventually gave me to family members to raise me, which wasn't easy and was full of trauma anyway, but here I am, with a great life, children of my own, and a relationship with both biological parents. My mother made the right choice and I'm grateful to be ALIVE.
Well, that’s the power of women having choices. Some victims of rape would choose to terminate. Every circumstance is different. There are as many variables as there are fingerprints. Nobody needs to legislate for women. We are powerful enough to make our own decisions.
@@Moon-eg3vmThank you for your reply. IMO she's not biased bc she's listening courteously & not playing "gotcha" or trying to steer the subject's answers. She's also merely *reporting* the strong, emotional ways, including the violence, in which the opposing sides have reacted over the years to a very divisive issue, where each side believes the other is wrong. It's not bias to calmly report what both sides have done & just let the viewers decide what to think about it. That's what a professional journalist is supposed to do. She referenced abortion clinics have been bombed, abortionists have been killed. She said nothing to imply she applauded or condemned those acts. Some younger viewers may not be aware that happened at all. Those acts were mentioned in context of the line of questioning of the subject. Iow, did those acts affect her? Did she feel responsible? *You* seem angry that the reporter did not express an opinion that validates yours, so you are accusing *her* of bias. *You* may have grown so accustomed to reporters who push agendas & withhold facts that might undermine those agendas, that you are disappointed when a reporter doesn't validate your opinions by doing those things, so you are mixing up her neutrality with your own bias. FWIW, & fyi, I am formerly pro-choice, now pro-life, and I neither applaud nor feel responsible for any acts of terrorism. Also I worked in news media years ago, so I know a few things about the way journalists are supposed to do things. This reporter was doing her job, unlike most reporters are doing today. I can remember when top journalist Tim Russert dropped dead of a heart attack. For years I'd watched his hard-hitting, take-no-prisoners interviews on Meet the Press. It was only when he died that I learned he was a lifelong Democrat. Watching him work, I'd had no clue. He asked the questions the public wanted to know, & when the subjects were lying or evading, he nailed them every time, didn't matter whether Dem or Repub. We need more like that.
@@ajcarr1965 she never reported the sides of the handmaids activists making the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing a kangaroo court. The disruptions, the screaming, the clamoring & banging on SC doors. Doxing of jurists & families. The animosity of the far left against people. No, this was anything but unbiased (not even reporting). Everything is opinionated activism! Yes, I watched real real reporters like Walter Cronkite delivered the news, not journalist opinions. And, I too, remember Tim Russert. His political reporting determined the RED = conservatives & blue = left. Yes, I was devastated to hear him [WC] admit he was a socialist from his own interview. All the trusted news anchors like Dan Rather who was delegated to the riding off into the sunset with other disgraced lying journalist like Brian Williams… Angry? I don’t get angry with reporting accurate journalism, not activism. What I do have problems with is people using a national media service for their own personal gain. After all, she’s a leftist & did score the “first interview” with distinction. She still hit the mark or scoring a few for the activist pro-abortion/pro-death side. I’m pro-CHOICE/pro-LIFE. Abortion isn’t a choice. It’s a lifestyle of the death culture. My OB/GYN was a former abortionist who worked hard in the pro-life movement. RvW was an unconstitutional legislation from the bench. It had nothing to do with the Constitution. Of course the reporter didn’t validate anyone’s opinions. They aren’t supposed to validate you. They are there to “report” not manipulate the “NEWS” which she did. Just another leftist scoring points for #OperationMockingbird propaganda & how the #CIA makes us useful idiots. Perhaps, you need to understand what mockingbird is & how the media corp manufacturers the news to mold & reshape the mind. It isn’t how it works. I don’t believe anything any reporter reports anymore. It’s all opinionated.
But it also goes to show how difficult a decision one way or the other is and those saying that having an abortion is taking the easy way out are totally wrong.
She must be a very strong person partly due to her adoptive parents and the rest her tenacity. I have an adoped child and am sure her adopted parents were just as happy to have her as I was to have my child. I used to cry when I thought about what the birth mother was missing. So sad that this woman had to deal with being that person but great that she is such a well adjusted person.
I too was an unwanted pregnancy but in 1970. And I too was placed up for adoption. She is right. It is not about the baby; it is about choice and circumstances and women protecting the family they may already be raising. Do we have a plan for what we are going to do with all of these unwanted babies?
First off, that's why condoms, the pill, the shot, etc/ad nauseam are available. Second, call some adoption agencies and find out how long their wait list is for infants. Some people wait YEARS hoping for a baby. Third, it IS about the baby. Why does their life not matter? Because they are tiny and innocent and growing? Because they need mama to survive? You support murdering an innocent fully developed child based on convenience or the mother not wanting it, and that is utterly abhorrent.
@@kleinemaus6094 1st) Most effective contraceptives are not readily available or affordable for most Americans. To expect them to refrain from sex entirely is at best naive and more than likely not going to happen. Also a woman can get pregnant twice in one year and give birth once. Men on average have between 1-3 virile ejaculations which means they could (although it would awfully difficult 🤔) have upwards over 365 children a year. Why is this always made to be solely the woman's responsibility? 2) Yes, there is a massive wait list for Adoption but the foster care state systems who actually have the children are underfunded, understaffed and often massively failing these children. The Adoption wait list is mostly due to outdated screening procedures and overt costs that dissuade potential adoptive parents. Reform & amendments have been brought up countless times but squashed by the same representatives who are "pro-life". 3rd) You are asking us to put the potential of life over one that's already here. What is the plan for the life you care about after they're born? Are you just as outraged that these precious babies aren't being fed and often have no stable home? Nobody is saying that abortion should happen in later stages but there are several personal reasons for abortion which should be respected. Women are people, not vessels. I've yet to see anyone hold the men who impregnate these women accountable. Where is the punishment for them? Newsflash pregnancies of this nature doesn't tend happen with only one participant. Just say you're really into the MaddAdam trilogy by Margret Atwood & touch grass❤
@@kleinemaus6094 There is a waiting list, yes. But only for white babies. Currently there are over 400,000 children in foster care - a broke-down and over- stressed system where children are left vulnerable to abuse and neglect. Are YOU taking care of these children?
@@petresingh4543 yes 🙌🏻👏🏻 You are right ! Everyone condemning a woman who knows she’s not fit to be a mother should at least adopt 2 children as a reward for all those moms who knew they wouldn’t take care of them but decided to give birth. The children should also belong to a minority group because we all know how fast blonde babies find a house - let’s face reality. I don’t understand why people get pissed off at something the woman has stated herself - I won’t be able to take care of this child! We all expect them to go to adoption - genius solution! Cells. It doesn’t not have consciousness. We can’t be bringing babies and make them suffer afterwards. We are talking about basic human needs here - unwanted babies won’t have love and affection from their own moms. Not all adoption stories end up well. The argument that some women/ couples want I child but can’t conceive yet some women are having abortions is bad, is not valid ! If before anything happens and those people can reach to the woman thinking about abortion then great! But what if they give up? What if the woman miraculously gets pregnant... We can’t be living our lives thinking someone out there is going to take care of our mess.
Wow, so sad. Imagine someone tried to kill you first of all, and then since wasn’t able to do that then trying to use you. How horrible, just evil. It’s true, she didn’t serve to meet the child she tried to kill.
It’s NOBODYS business what he opinion is on it. I feel like she respectfully set the tone in the first few seconds of this interview. And go figure, reporter was not happy to hear it. She continued to press and try and gauge an answer. Like the cross question? Have some respect my goodness
I agree that it’s nobody’s business what her opinion is. However, I’m glad that she asked the question on her cross necklace because she was able to clear that out as well. People nowadays like to make assumptions and flip everything. It’s good that she was able to finally speak.
@@Ahmlu and asking the question about the cross was for her benefit, not the reporters. Basically, let’s make the world know very clearly where I stand, and not allow them to misconstrue anything!
I think that question was more for clarity so no one could attack her with it later and try to twist the necklace into something it wasn’t. I’m glad she asked that question.
She said things that she wanted to say without saying it. At the end of the day I think she’s grateful to be alive. I hope she will heal from the bitterness.
@@anng.4542 Like it or not, argue will your face is blue when a fetus is a "baby,", but it will always be an inalienable right for a woman to choose to have birth or not. And a right for a women to have privacy is a Constitutional right.
I hope this intelligent and well-spoken young woman closes this chapter of her origins for good. Please do not do any more interviews. The media destroys so many lives, they do not deserve you either. They will try to use her even if they remain neutral. Kudos for how this young woman conducted herself. This could be any of us. Its a shame she was able to be located, only caused her pain and suffering needlessly. ABC please leave her alone, you got your story.
It’s not okay to abort a child, at least in certain states and in most circumstances. Just like it’s not okay to kill someone in most states in most circumstances. Things are illegal for a good reason and it’s often because those things are not conductive for a functioning and civil society.
@@persephonestardust2498 I do thank my kiddos birthmother's as well. We have open adoptions, because I wanted my children to have the option to meet their birth families.
How do you afford children?!?! I get nervous when I have medical needs that I won't be able to afford it, let alone a kids needs. Do you live outside the USA or is there a socialized financial system helping you with it inside the USA? More people need to be boosted to your level of privileged so they can adopt too.
@@freedomishavingachoice3020 my husband works 50 hours a week. We live on a budget. Not privilege, just a lot of hard work, living within our family budget and prayer.
If you're against abortion, why not support comprehensive sex education? Support social programs for children in poor struggling homes? Support initiatives for free and low-cost contraceptives? Better maternity leave? Support foster care and adoption programs? THIS IS PRO-LIFE! Supporting the lives already here for better quality of life! *If a woman wants an abortion bad enough, SHE WILL DO IT, DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES.*
There's different types of sex education, like "abstinence plus" sex education. There's plenty of pro-life couples who adopt and do foster care. There's lots of pro-life organizations that help mothers, like Let Them Live. And abstinence and self control are always free, and contraceptives are already available.
@@karaokeandrandomclips Two scientific review papers find abstinence-only-until-marriage programs and policies in the United States are ineffective because they do not delay sexual initiation or reduce sexual risk behaviors. According to the researchers, these programs also violate adolescent human rights, withhold medically accurate information, stigmatize or exclude many youth, reinforce harmful gender stereotypes, and undermine public health programs. Both papers are published online in the Journal of Adolescent Health.
@@persephonestardust2498 I said "Abstinence plus", not "Abstinence only". And I believe Utah has one of the lower rates of teen pregnancy even though they teach abstinence only sex education, because the Mormon culture teaches abstinence before marriage, so it can work. Countries like South Korea also has more conservative attitudes about sex and has low teen pregnancy rates. And I'm curious about "adolescent human rights" in regards to sex- how young do you think is too young to have sex?
She has every right to keep it to herself and I hope she does forever. Having had said that, I doubt she supports it. It’s hard to support abortion when you’re the one who could’ve been aborted.
@@pvm0708 guess what i support abortion and would have been fine if mother had aborted..I would not know cause I would eexist.. My mother had 11 kids and should never have had one.. period. You can have an opinion.. But you never get to make another woman decison for her.. ever
My mom told me she was going to get one. I was her 3 rd pregnancy, and my older sister was 3 months old. They heard 2 hearts, so she kept me. I’m not a twin, and there was only one baby 😂 we laughed about how I got lucky!! It never made me feel upset or angry. She just seemed more human to me.
I was a surprise baby. My mom would have probably had an abortion with me if I was caught in the first tri, but she only found out 4 months in. I don't blame her, times were rough and we were poor. Only thing of pride I've ever created is my own kid because he's so cool. Other than that though, don't think I'd be too mad about not existing.
She has turned into a wonderful strong women. Her parents raised her right & I agree she is not in the wrong refusing to meet her mother. Her mom was so toxic. I agree that women should have choice & I also don’t blame her one bit for refusing to disclose her own opinions on the subject matter. I’m so happy she and her sister found each other that is a huge blessing!
mistie, good points. i am glad that you said....'you agree that women should have a choice' but not every child or adoptive parents get this kind of attention. in fact, she could have easily gone to an orphanage or foster care. how were these people able to adopt this child in the middle of all the controversy? why did her new parents not tell her the truth? so many questions. i hope she means that she is okay...
One choice we never discuss is the choice to be responsible with that body we yell so loudly about retaining the power over. There would be few abortions needed if women truly had an interest in controlling their bodies.
Men and women should have a choice -- the men and women who are fetuses that murderers want to abort. Women can keep their legs crossed -- that's a very good choice too !
Thank you for being brave enough to share your story. I didn’t know that you survived. I’m so grateful that you did and that you have a wonderful family and sister.
Very brave! If I remember correctly she (Roe) never actually had an abortion, the lawyers pushed for the whole thing. I heard it a long while ago so don't quote me..
She didn’t survive anything . Her mother fought for a woman’s right to choose the landmark case took a long time to be adjudicated That wasn’t the point. And the fact that her mother had a messy life had everything to do w why she didn’t want a relationship w her . It had nothing to do with the case people. Omg.
Ty ABC for putting this together. All too often people don't know how this was a family matter that affected someone personally. Glad to see they were all raised in good homes and are well grounded.
I can see the pain is still in her heart. Knowing that her mother wanted to get rid of her by abortion. I'm so glad she got to grow up with good parents.
@@zibbybadfo8418 Nobody said she assumed her life was more important than her mother's. But it is a KNOW FACT that her mother thought her own life was more important than her daughter since she went to great lengths to attempt to murder her. You are a blind idiot.
