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Aborting the take off MtoSport 

Paul Tarplee@GyroSportFlying
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At maximum all up weight when the wind doesn't behave itself, we must make the correct decision or become a statistic. It's trained when following the Gyropedia methodology. The Gyroplane is a safe aircraft to fly as it can land in a short space safely, but getting the take off right has caught out a few people. Training and practice is the way forward. Fly regularly. I had a lovely flight alone with no issues at all after reducing the weight by leaving my passenger on the ground. Sorry Tom.

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@theredkitechannel3194
@theredkitechannel3194 10 месяцев назад
Two comments: 1. I teach to release the brake, full aft cyclic, then release the pre-rotator. This helps reduce the decay in RRPM, which uses less runway getting it back, then use all available runway (you left about 200’ behind you each time). 2. Once the nose wheel comes off the ground, keep pushing the cyclic forward so the wheel is barely on the runway. Keep the gyro on the ground longer to accelerate to climb speed instead of letting it lift off slow. Doing this allows for better acceleration because once you’re in the air, the disc angle is higher than on the runway which means more drag and no acceleration, especially when you’re heavy. I’m sure you have a 912 in there judging by the paltry takeoff performance.😮
@GyroSportFlying
@GyroSportFlying 9 месяцев назад
Brilliant comments my friend. I will reply later....just off to work.....but very good work. Thank you.
@GyroSportFlying
@GyroSportFlying 9 месяцев назад
Your comments are brilliant and gladly accepted. I fully accept what you say. I would like to introduce you to the system we follow here in the UK. The Full documentation can be found in the Gyropedia. This is how I was taught. It's a great thing and developing to a must have system. The Gyropedia is an online system that if followed and applied will help all Gyroplane Pilots. So the rotor management and the count of 1234 at the begining of each take off run is embedded into the Gyropedia as best practice. Each Pilot can agree with it? Or challenge it! You then submit your changes and when the 10 strong group of experienced Gyroplane Flying Instructor's get together! They discuss what you have suggested and decide as a group to change some or all of the best practice for that particular part of flight. I am still only a trainee flying instructor. I spent sometime as a 3 axis microlight flying instructor. And as for the 200 ft behind me! I even taught people to climb out and drag the aircraft all the way back into the edge of the field. And the hold on the brakes until the aircraft wouldn't hold anymore. I personally believe that the count at the beginning of the take off run prevents us begining our take off run with the rotors tilted forward. The next part is taught as maintaining the wheel balance attitude until airborne. Then AIRSPEED. And the abort. If followed a Pilot will remain safe. Less crashes and cheaper insurance. So your comments will probably lead me to challenge the best practice..... changing around the 1234 count and moving the release of the pre rotator button from 1 to 4......The videos are put on to help others. I'm glad you have watched it but I cannot teach you much. Please look into the Gyropedia as a good tool. I pay a yearly subscription and I payed a one off fee for the instructor pack. I think it's worthwhile. I'm currently developing video lessons for each part of the syllabus. This will ensure that I don't miss anything and standardise each lesson. Thanks for your comments.... please feel free to contact me if you have anything Gyroplane related you would like to discuss.👍
@halfrhovsquared
@halfrhovsquared 9 месяцев назад
In an MTO, when you pull back the stick, the prerotator is automatically and immediately disengaged because there is a microswitch which only allows the prerotator to be engaged with the stick fully forward. An MTO is likely to damage the prerotator with it engaged when the head is not fairly flat. This is not the case with Magni as they have a flexible shaft to take the torque up to the head and the prerotation sequence involves pulling back the stick with the prerotator still engaged.
@GyroSportFlying
@GyroSportFlying 9 месяцев назад
@@halfrhovsquared Thank you.... something else new I've learned......but don't send me an invoice 😁......This information too will now be added to my syllabus 👍. I have some good guys watching my videos. Please be gentle with me 🙏.kind regards Paul T
@halfrhovsquared
@halfrhovsquared 9 месяцев назад
@@GyroSportFlying - No invoice necessary. Information is free to share, challenge, and discuss.
@halfrhovsquared
@halfrhovsquared 9 месяцев назад
The 2017 has a much higher maximum prerotation speed than the earlier MTO, at 260 or 270 RPM (if I recall correctly). I am surprised that you didn't make use of higher rotor RPM at prerotation to shorten your takeoff roll. I do agree with the other commenter who said that you had left a lot of runway behind you when lining up (I was shouting at my screen, "Use the WHOLE runway !!!!" during your video) and it did seem, from the video, that in your second run, you were trying to pull it off the ground, which is going to cause an increase in drag. You posted a really nice collection of examples of aborted takeoffs. This is something that we don't often see on gyro videos and it demonstrates just how quickly we can abort a takeoff and come to a stop and, hence, just how little runway we need to accomplish such a thing.
@GyroSportFlying
@GyroSportFlying 9 месяцев назад
I will keep posting.....I think it brings about good discussions if nothing else. We are all humans and can learn from eachother. 👍😁
@halfrhovsquared
@halfrhovsquared 9 месяцев назад
@@GyroSportFlying - Exactly. Was it a particularly low-pressure day? Even with a 912, a 2017 should be able to accelerate and climb-out at MAUW and you were clearly having some difficulty getting the speed up. On (I think it was) your third run, you had the stick so far forward that you kissed the runway once or twice, so there wasn't a great deal more that you could do to build speed at that point. Aborting was a safe option. I've seen video of a gyro being dragged into the air, followed by it mushing into the ground beyond the runway - You've probably seen the same video. Gyro pilots will often proudly boast that we don't stall and whilst this is true, without sufficient airspeed, we can neither climb nor maintain altitude and still being under full aerodynamic control is not much consolation when pancaking into the side of a hill. On an entirely different, non-gyro-related note: Plurals don't have an apostrophe. (ie "cameras" rather than "camera's").
@GyroSportFlying
@GyroSportFlying 9 месяцев назад
@@halfrhovsquared it's amazing how different we all are. Yes the pressure was very low at 975mb and the wind probably gave me a slight tailwind component on the first couple of attempts. I had too much fuel in too. Yes there were many different things I could have done to get airborne. I did. I got rid of my passenger. I have struggled to gain height on a few occasions. I have seen many crashes because of just that. Too many crashes will just keep the insurance rate ridiculous. We are like minded even though punctuation doesn't matter to me.🤣 I was told by various Instructors not to post. Anything on social media as it's there forever. But I'm not proud. I think if my videos give someone entertainment or help anyone....then great 👍. It's great to get these comments. Makes me feel that it is all worthwhile. Enjoy your flying my friend. We share the greatest Hobby.
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