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almost forgot to first Also AHOC selling out now :P Just realized that I forgot to mention that the AIO BIOS sets clocks that no air card will run out of the box. So if you want to use the AIO BIOS you need to drop core clock to something reasonable first. Also this: www.techpowerup.com/236831/psa-flashing-rx-vega-56-with-rx-vega-64-bios-does-not-unlock-shaders
That shutdown thing helps a lot, I'm assuming there are other shutdown fail safes on the liquid bios, i put the liquid bios on my 64 with a EK block and as soon as it was under-load it would shut down. There is probably a fail safe in there as well that if it cant talk to the pump it shuts down as well. My card dose not break 50c with the loop it is in.
Please do an undervolting video. I know like you said you are an overclocker but i still think its important with Vega and at the moment we are seeing mixed messages from different sources about what undervolting is really doing and at this point i trust your information alot more then pretty much anyone else. Thanks for your videos anyway!
mate, it is pretty easy on my card 1080 mv and 1680 mhz works perfect, 50-60° find video from the ancient gamer for example and start from here, edit preset in wattman.
I've seen a few people locally do this mod. I was very surprised by the performance gains. Especially considering the mood was free performance in a sense. (:
I think the vega 56 I know someone wants rid of; has had this short happen; as they modded the front plate too; to use a Morpheus II cooler. If it’s shorted out; what exactly can be done?
I flashed back my 56 bios but i have succesfully flashed the 64bios on my Pulse vega 56. But i was afraid to damage the card because is Hynix memory. Is there some side effect due to increased voltage on Hynix mem?
i'd love to see you examining the possibilities on maximum efficiency of vega by undervolting and some slight overclocking. my guess is others just dont manage to pull that off correctly. and also go full ham on that thing. :D
Buildzoid, mad respect for you bro! Enjoy your videos alot. I however can't get over how you look like your 16 years old lolz. It's a good thing tho I'm sure you'll appreciate it when ya get much older. Cheers🍻, keep up the great work.
Question. Do you think that Custom AIB cards would have Bios that would allow higher than 400W power limit? I was thinking to wait for these, swap a waterblock from EK (with a liquid metal as thermal compound), and keep this OCed to the max in every day gaming. How do you enable the liquid edition BIOS to allow for 400+W of power limit? Do you need to install custom bios or those don't really work? If I am not going to get anything in addition from custom bios from the AIB patners, I might just grab an RX Vega 64 now and add it to my CPU loop with another 240mm radiator and hope that is enough to cool both Vega 64 OCed and i7 5820K.
If you can revisit this in the future, I'd be interested in your findings. Great video for right now though! I'm just saying that I'm interested in seeing you do testing when AMD gets its drivers sorted out. Seeing if there's any major differences at that point.
Wouldn't that mess with the compute units? Because Vega 56 doesn't have the extra units that the vega 64 BIOS might try to send work to non-existent cores and would cause some rendering errors?
Is it even possible to hardware an external power supply and clock generator to a Vega or any GPU in general and bypass the limits set in the bios and crank the bitch up to 11? Assuming you have a way to keep it cool?
will putting a water loop on a r5 1600 be worth it for overclocking if it can allready reach 3.8 on the stock cooler will i be able to get it to 4.0 or even 4.1. board is a asus strix gaming f b350
PPT mod does not get my Asus Strix Vega 64 above 330W, even thought he power slider is at 150%. I think the Strix version is not able to do the PPT mod.
Do you think Vega 56 ROG strix should be flash to? I just bought it on sale ..and thinking of just tweak for the Under volt only then i saw this video ....
It was my belief that there is no chance of getting more compute units because one of the processors in the cluster is defective, thus the whole cluster was disabled and cannot be enabled with bios. Primary reason to upgrade the 56 bios to a 64 is power level increase, higher memory clock and higher core clocks basically giving the 56 the clocks of the 64. Good video though, keep it up.
@ Buildzoid....I've a Vega 64 reference blower card which has been in a custom loop with EK FC and backplate for few weeks now. Temps around 39c max under extreme load, overclocked to 1730/1100 but I feel I'm restricted by the power tables. Thinking about flashing a 64 LC bios to it. Looking on Techpowerup at the various Bios uploads, I see 3 Sapphire LC Bios listed, does it matter which one I chose?
been speaking to a few people, not heard anyone mention anything about that. Had mine flashed for a while now, no problems at all in gaming or benching, card is running really well. You can check it out on my very basic channel.
Speaking of bios flashing, I have the TaiChi board you've made many vids about when a new bios is released. The last bios seems to have nixed my ability to hit 3.9ghz stable on a 1600x. I think my mobo may now have Pstate cancer. :(
Actually Hardcore Overclocking Hey...I tried to flash my Powercolor Red Devil 56 with the Powercolot Red Devil 64 Bios on the Techpowerup site. Atiflash straight up gives me a subsystem ID error...nobody knows what is going on...apparently the Red Devil is not common enough to be flashed by enough people, since nobody could give me an answer on reddit and on forums. Someone guessed that having hynix memory would be the reason...because the 64 uses samsung memory, but I was lucky to get Samsung memory on my 56 (according to GPU-Z), so that should be no problem at all. I myself thought, that maybe the reason could be, that I tried to flash my Silent-Bios with the 64 Bios. Do you have to flash over the Standard Bios for it to work?
I ahd same issue with atiflash (the only way to bypass it is go through command prompt to the folder the program and rom bios file are in and use these commands) -f -p 0 (if it your only gpu) then bios file name . rom
i hit 1100MHz with the aircooler and >80°C with no artefacting yet. no extra CU sadly. loose timings might be a thing because i expierenced some hanging in ROTOR .... original thought that might be HBCC turned on
It works with the XFX double addition BIOS but you will need to do it through the command line interface. I've done it, but I'm going to have to repaste my card to tame the hotspot temps. Went from 980mhz HMB to 1235mhz.
@@garrettwilt5839 check gpu z, if ut shows the card uses Hynix memory, don't flash because hynix was horrible. Samsung HBM however OCs better then flash
I have a question. Do you or anybody know if it is possible flashing a Vega 56 with Hynix HBM2 and if this causes problems? I read that it is only possible if you have Samsung HBM2... thank you in advance.
My stock Vega 56 hits 450w when deep learning. Different then gaming I know. I’m curious if I will see any difference with a 64 bios or it’s it’s already maxed out 🤔 the possible extra cu might be worth it.
llapkina deep learning hits the gpu differently then gaming does. I don’t know the specifics of what the hardware is doing different. But I know all the tools show it’s pulling insane power. Also it gets so much hotter then when I game. Feels like a space heater. And the fan goes 100% full blast the whole time. Gaming I can’t ever hear the fan. The last thing I’ll add is this is on MacOSX. So it’s possible Apples driver has a different power profile for compute then 3D already baked into it.
Honestly I have no idea what that sliders does on polaris either. GDDR5 runs on 1.55V on ALL polaris cards. That voltage isn't accessible. Neither are any of the VRMs on the card that aren't Vcore. So assume it's some kind of internal on die voltage.
So have AMD enabled the bios flashing with a driver update? I tried flashing all the bioses to my 64 on the launch driver and only the 56 bios posted... Already sold the 64, so cant retest.
Not gonna lie, this makes me want to sell my 1080ti, get a v56, slap a water block and a v64 bios on it, and overclock the everloving fuck out of it. Seems more fun than pascal. I don't pay for my electricity bill anyway lol (for some reason it's included in my rent).
A 1080Ti is ultimately still faster than an OCed VEGA. The best I've managed on my VFE and V64 so far is around 25.5K GPU score in Firestrike. A GTX 1080Ti can push 30K+.
SOC clock ? i just saw this in the details of the Bios of v64 on techpowerup pls can u tell me what is this like this first time i see this on a GPU.(my experience in GPUs is so low that it only goes back to gtx 760 and amd side hd5450 and now 1060 none of them when reading BIOS info they say SOC clock) EDIT: pls make undervolting video pls :D.(just for info on power draw)
Isn't the increased voltage on the 56 HBM dangerous because they're using SK Hynix instead of Samsung memory, or do they pretty much have the same spec in that regard?
Ive got a water cooled Vega 56 with a bios from the air Vega 64 and overclocked it to 1050--1650 with 15% more power. Still the maximum temp Ive seen during gaming is 52 degrees :) I expected higher temps with such overclocks.
Since, at least from my local here in Brisbane Australia, the Vega 56 is on the same plane price wise as the 1080, taking into account dollars and sense... Not to mention the absolutely whack pricing of late... But... I'd be interested to hear your opinion as to either going 56 flashed V64 or jumping on a Strix 1080... And yes, I know pricing is rediculous and will likely sort it's bloody self out... But from an overclocked perspective, what card would you walk home with mate?
Here's the thing VEGA on the reference air cooler really sucks for overclocking. I can push a V64 to match a 2.1GHz 1080. I think the same should be doable on a V56 however it's not happening on the stock cooler.
I Feel that I might need to wait for a short while... And to be honest, the way GPU 's sit with me, it's about results, overclocking or stock, regardless of details it's about Price Vs Performance at the end of the day. To be honest I mostly do audio and games(a mix of 1440/4K depending) , so I'm not needing a GPU for compute, as my DAW's are using CPU to do the heavy lifting not GPU. For me to get Vega gaming where I want it I think I'd have to have it under water to get what I want out of it ... And the dollars start climbing when your talking water blocks ... Where as I think I'd get a reasonable out of the box, quick overclock and decent performance out of the Strix 1080 just on air, even tho it's not the top dog Asus card, they can cool well... I only want to spend one lot of money once, and I'm about results not fanboy teams... Hence I think I'd do well to wait for a while until the smoke clears. Thanks for your opinions, and whilst directed at buildzoid, it is an open question and any points made of course are considered mate.
where can i get vega 64 bios :) btw gpuz 2.3.0 says that my vega 56 has 3776 Shaders (without flashing bios) ... i thought vega 56 got 3.584 edit: google was my friend. you can get a bios over here : www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=AMD&manufacturer=&model=RX+Vega+64&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since= edit2: wrong shadercount duo to gpu z 2.3 - gpu z 2.4 fixed it
Hey. I have a 64 on ek water block. Flashed liquid bios. As Soon as I run any game, it's instant shut down. Can you help me out? Do we need to do reg edit? Let me know. Thanks
I flashed the Vega 64 BIOS onto my Sapphire Vega 56 and it was great for a week. After the 17.11.1 driver came out I started to get crashing. If I uninstalled the driver, it's fine. I ended up putting the V56 BIOS back on but the OC i can get on the HBM2 is only like 940mhz where before 1040-1050 was easy.
Why do I remember something like overclocking core is less efficient than HBM2 overclocking? I think Steve said that in a video....Now I am confused. Which one is true?
1700MHz core clock is only 70MHz more than stock P7 on a V64. So the performance you pick up from core OC sucks compared to the performance lift from HBM overclocking from 950 to 1100MHz.
Well, you are right. I mean, the total percentage you can OC the core is limited but Steve did put that in a percentage and his conclusion was "Overclocking HBM2 yields more performance increase per OC percentage". I should re-watch the video to quote his exact words though. So your words and his conflicts (if I remember what he said correctly). He says HBM2 gives more performance while overclocking but you say the otherwise.
Conscience you can order a aio specifically made for the card. Or one that is a retrofit. I just ordered a used xfx reference model in hopes of it having samsung, and have been researching how to get the most out of it because I’m an overclock junkie.
I also have a 4k fs monitor but not sure what to do since now the cheapest Vega 56 is $520 w/o games. Will wait until black friday to see if there is another promotion.
Have you try BIOS modding and next before flash try to mach the original CHECKSUM whit changing the free data space on the hexeditor. I mod car ECU and every car ecu from 1993 is checksum protected (except that they have specifically data writ in the flash that say how mach is need to be, and you can yous algorithm to change it). Sorry for my english - google translate
AMD does have a BIOS checksum that is always required when doing any AMD BIOS modding. VEGA relies on more than just the checksum to decide if the card will boot or not.
Could you please make a tutorial on how to flash a vega 64 bios onto a vega 56? Nobody have done a tutorial yet. Would be great for the channel too! ;))
my card: www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-RXVEGA56GAMING-OC-8GD#kf Check my overclocking video guys: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-H66lBbZyf3c.html
@@xavalintm Yes and unfortunately it's impossible ! I'm not so sad. Whith good undervolting this card is strong! Try "ancient gamplay" his a youtuber. Grab his settings about "how undervolting vega 56"
HELP! I was an idiot and tried flashing my vega 56 to 64 and I forgot to set oc back to stock. I also flashed in windows. I did enough research to be dangerous.... Pc boots and Windows sees card. the core clock fluctuates but is about 37, mem clock is about 167. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling driver. Amd driver setup would not launch. I had to update driver in device manager(selected amd driver) Then I was able to install amd driver(normally) but clocks are still the same. Made a boot dos usb and when I atiflash -i it says adapter not found.. If I run atiflash -i in cmd(administrator) It shows up and I can run the flash. But it doesn't change anything. I came across this thread about using the 1+8 method forum.ethereum.org/discussion/9443/bricked-your-rx-480-due-to-bad-flash Would this be my next step? and would it be the same chip/pin layout for the Vega? Thanks for the help in advance.
Just 30 minutes ago I thought to myself "hey, I wonder if people figured out what the hell to do with Vega bios and how to flash it". Interesting coincidence.
