Good to see the Porsche swap game getting so much attention. A turbo K in a Cayman (K-man?) would be killer. I put together a LS 911 a few years...I definitely recommend any Porsche swap - 911, boxster, cayman, 944, 928...They're all really good cars and perfect for a K swap!
@bgee461 it's a little tall. The hood needs a bump over the valve cover...the audi 07k 5 cylinder fits and it's capable, but it's not developed like the K and there's such a small aftermarket built around that motor that the LS or K are better options imo. There's a time attack team that ran a K24 for a while in their 944 with a sequential. Black and green car. I might build a sleeper 924 with a k24 (these names correlate too well) with cams 250+ hp. Pastel colored paint, funky plaid interior... I would daily it. Or a 928 LS daily with a great sound system?
I like the concept but the purest won’t accept it. The next thing is when it’s time to change the plugs, it’s an engine out affair, maybe putting the Porsche flat 4 and make a modern 912.
To be clear, Porsche is known for the GOOD flat 6's, not these. The M96/M97's engines are junk, hence why the .2 versions with the much more reliable 9A1/9A2 engines are literally double the cost of the .1 cars.
@@NewtonInDaHouseYo K Series sounds OK (check out the Lotus Exige K20 supercharged that sounds pretty good - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cX3JneKcZIA.html , I guess a turbo version not so much, but like any twin-cam flatplane four it can sound if you get the exhaust and intake just right). It's more that it's not a Porsche engine, it's just as strange to put a Honda engine in a Porsche as to put a Porsche engine in a Honda! If it was the Porsche 944 or 968 that came with an inline-four in the first place then I guess it would make some sense, but I dunno. I guess tuning these engines is Nick's speciality and he likes 911s so he made it happen! 🙂
@@freddarau That’s true. But the NA flat sixes have a great sound at higher rpm. I get the idea of the Honda swap, but I can’t imagine it can match the Porsche engine sound wise.
I've got an all stock k24a2 and with 18 pounds of boost it makes UNOPENED 500 horsepower @wakakulyonetwo that's why nevermind this is going in my 69 c10 😎
why would somebody not do this??//?? that 3.4 flat six is a turd compared to a built honda engine. im a porsche club member and this has got to be the best thing you could do to a 997 carrera. no ims fix needed. the old motor certainly isnt a stroked BBI 4.2l monster. youve got to be able to do most of a gt3 nose and wing wheels.this looks like a .1 gt3 and will some a carrera. especially high mile cars or bad motor rollers.this is the only way to go on a 911 thats not a turbo!!! killer car!!! cheers
because that would cost 20k more than a Honda engine. I wouldnt want every 997 Carrera owner to do this but ones with the smaller high mile 3.6 or with an ims fail or instead of spending $ to fix ims this is a great option. I was thinking it shouldn't be to hard to use even a 996. I misspoke in the comment 997s have 3.6 or 3.8 and a twin turbo 991 motor is crazy expensive. I think this is way cooler than an ls now if $ is no issue call RUF and see if they would build you the flat plane crank 4.5l v8 they developed but don't use anymore now that's an ultimate swap but it would cost way more than a 991 motor but it all depends on what you want. I'd like to have something I can make a 1000hp with much cheaper if I'm starting with a older rougher Carrera, @@adamsantamaria5631
The only argument made the entire time is how cheap it is to fix when it blows up (again). Just take the $25k it costs to swap and use it to buy a better 911 that won’t blow up in the first place. Or don’t buy a Porsche 911, if money is such an issue. Maybe better off with a Toyota or something….
You can sell the running engine for the same price as this swap. You end up with a 500HP setup for $0 net cost with increased reliability and lower weight. If you don't like it, don't do it to yours - simple as that.
It's a great engine! But I'm still so confused about the swap, especially now that Porsche have had their own flat-four turbo engine for about 5-6 years now if people wanted to swap it into a 911.
A lot of people confuse psi with air flow they are not the same thing pressure is caused by a restriction to flow look how large the intake piping is plus k series heads flow well.
I work at Porsche and I love their vehicles, but I drive a civic Type R FK8. Almost what this build is to me. Best of both worlds. Great job Speed academy in featuring this build and great job Nick on a fine piece of work. Can't wait for my FK8 to get tuned by you. This Build is awesome.
As a Porsche lover/owner (718 Spyder PDK) whose best friend drives an FK8 Type R I can tell you they are more alike than most people would give them credit for. Seeing this video and many like it I’d love to know if it would be possible to do this swap with a PDK trans to keep that turbo and motor on the boil? I’m an amputee and have access to a 997.1 with a blown motor that has a tiptronic.
Tony Angelo at Stay Tuned is buttoning up an LS swapped 996 C2 (a la Hoovie’s Garage). Gobs of torque, great sound, dead simple. Would be super keen to see K vs LS!
A great swap that made me think about the ticking timebomb boxer engine in my BRZ. Why is it a great swap? Light weight and well thought out to match the character of the car. Fun episode.
@@zhila5958 Mine is a 2022 so it would be down the line after it is paid off and can be dedicated to autocross and track. The Boxer 2.4 oiling issues and lack of support by Subaru bugs me.
The FA20 has been shown to last around 160k based on the used car market. I know the new ones have that gasket issue but if maintained there’s no reason to consider it a “ticking time bomb” unless you’re driving it like shit.
IMS Bearing issues are such a small percentage of what breaks on a Porsche motor. It’s such a blown up issue in the Porsche community. Can it happen? Sure. Does it happen on every motor?No. Also, the K-swap is $15k just in parts? He didn’t say what his labor would be. I’d imagine in total, it’s the same price as rebuilding the 911 motor. I think it’s a cool car, but I’d rather rebuild my stock motor, than go with an engine swap from a different manufacturer, because it limits your options on who can actually work on it. IMO
Good points, i think this option is better for ppl who want to buy a cheap dead one and build it from scratch, or go all out with a crazy HP build. Otherwise keeping everything OEM it will be much more servicable
thats even worse, idiots be buying up car shells and then swapping them to K without even knowing what the original setup FEELS like... mindless idiot hype beasts@@Pete0126
I don't know... I think I'll pass on the K swapped 911. A huge part of my love for the 997 is the damn motor. From the odd starter noise as the motor cranks over to the boxer 6 howl, it's all too good just to rip out and replace with a K motor. And 997.2 are considerably more reliable. I used to be a huge Honda fan. Then I discovered BMW I-6's and Lexus V8's and I wouldn't touch another Honda 4 banger.
Agree 100% I have a 911 with the 3.8 motor and it has character. The stock motors aren’t that unreliable. IMS problems are limited to early models and not hard to do a preventative fix.
The type of K series this is makes a huge difference in the response and exhaust note, this uses a pretty bottom of the barrel k series with the merged exhaust port cylinder head. In what it sacrifices in efficiency and a much stronger power output it gives a better low and mid range powerband that is better suited for tracks with turns in them instead of mid and top end power that you cant really utilize that isnt a 1/4mi 1/2 or stand mile etc. Not saying its bad but with this K engine I wouldnt push it much past 600whp, the block will take it but the cylinder head is a major choke point unless you do the older k series with the multiport exhaust. Much how like the new "supra" went from a single exhaust port (one for each three cylinders, so two in total) to a multiport in its later revision, the restriction and heat generated with the other style head was a choke point and found to be a cause for concern for anyone wanting to make north of 600whp
Yeah, absolutely nothing bad to say about this build here. You get beauty, performance, reliability and a turbo. There is also the fact that Nick got to keep the original instruments working using the Syvecs Cpu which is a huge plus. Great video, great car and cheers !
@@Vaino_Hotti I was very specific about US Elises. I know there were no K's in the EU. You're right though for a different reason, they were Toyota engines. Not K's. "The 2011 model was the last offered for street legal sale in the United States when the waiver from the United States Government's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) for Lotus to build and sell cars in the US without smart airbags expired in August 2011.[32] It used the Toyota 2ZZ-GE engine"
You get an 04-07 911 for like 35k drive it until it breaks and then do the swap or take engine out and sell it to fund the swap? Hmm…I’d do it in a heartbeat if I could do the swap myself but having to get a shop to do it would add another significant amount.
Because of the cost to replace really ANY porsche engine, I see nothing wrong with it. I have seen a VR6 Turbo swapped one once and that was really cool.
@@Shift4g it's not like he has taken a gt3rs and swapped it. You're being a bit purist here. And I love porsche, I love a 911. Hell I loved my 986 boxster that I put on air (you'll hate that too though). If it was my 911, I'd probably drove it until the original engine let go. But of I could make the same power or more with a k swap turbo and be under the cost of a rebuilt OEM Porsche engine, why not?
@@Shift4g If you're going to play the "poor" person argument, then you have to go all the way with it. Why didn't the owners pay double for a 997.2 that won't blow up? Sounds like they can't afford the base car for what it is.
@@Shift4g "what it is", sorry to break it to you but engine rebuilds are not a yearly maintenance item. Porsche knew for a decade about the flaws and did nothing, exploiting their customers.
The sound is the killer for me; there is no 4 cylinder that sounds good aside from bike engines. The M96/97 is hardly sacred, but if I'm swapping a 996, it has to be an LS so it at least sounds good. Neither engine will ever touch a Mezger from a sound or emotion perspective, but an LS swapped 996 C2S would be pretty cool if you can't afford a 997. Those headlights will always keep the 996 on the cheaper end of the Porsche tree.
The speed academy I love! Sorry you guys can't get massive views with this content. Btw this is the beautiful thing about about someone agreeing to bring their car to the track for you to test. 10 10th lap time, come on.
Wait what? My 00 civic ek k24 swap supercharged has electric powersteering and working AC. What are you talking about? I can drive everyday EXCEPT winter because I live in a RustBelt state. I bought the car stock 11 years ago. Lol
Okay this is great. As a 996 owner I’ve always seen tunning by nicks Porsche and Baysidefabrications k swapped 911 as a great alternative for a track car with a Porsche body
Waiting for the Cayman kit since I've got a TSX which is a super reliable car but not nearly as much fun as my 987.1 Cayman. Almost hoping the engine in the Cayman goes but the base 2.7l is much more reliable than the 3.2 but time with tell.
Cool build that caters to people who want power. However, I don't see the economical argument. The 997.1 M97 motors are not going to explode at any notice; the IMS issue is not that common. In addition, for the price of the K series swap, you could spend another $5k-$10k to build a functioning M97 motor to make more power and be more reliable. I also think there is another cost that isn't being considered, which is the time and money to get the K series car to run and keep running properly like OEM. I guess this would make sense for someone with a 997 with a bad motor who just loves what the K series offers. Money wise, considering resale, I think buying a 997.2 with the more reliable engine or buying a 997 turbo is the cheaper route in the long run.
not to take away from how incredible this 997 is... but I beat on my 3.4L M97 with 20+ track days per year on 200tw tires and Im not worried about IMS. Im more concerned about bore scoring which is more likely with the specific m97 engines used in the 997.1 and 987.1 cars.
That's because you drove the car as intended. Well known that cars that are tracked and maintained usually don't suffer from bore scoring. What usually kills these motors is short trips which the car never reaches full operating temp and if it does, it doesn't for very long. Short trips equals oil dilution and carbon build-up and the process begins... washing the oil off the cylinder walls and decreasing the oil viscosity and you have the beginnings of bore scoring. Rinse and repeat a few thousand times and the engine dies.
The IMS bearing is a way lesser issue as opposed to bore scoring and general failures related to poor oiling IMHO. Deep sump and motorsport AOS I assume?
I would love to see what this platform is capable of doing on a 1/4 mile stand point .. I understand that’s not what this was built for but would be interesting to see .
Putting a 4 cylinder into a 911 is criminal. At least keep it in the VAG family with a Audi 2.7T or 4.2 V8 that actually have a much flatter torque curve instead of small peak power band. I love the low end torque of my 4.2 V8 S4 and that 911 deserves bigger engine instead of going backwards.
Between this, an LS swap kit, or the 2.7 Audi swap out there now, the options for a more cost effective way to put rollers of a killer chassis back on the road is pretty wide! I think the k 24 would be my jam for this.
This is such a killer swap. Sounds good and seems to perform amazingly well. One thing to note about Porsche IMS issues. The aftermarket has completely solved this issue and it’s not much money or labor to get it fixed.
There will be a full kit. No cutting, no welding. Apparently RU-vid doesn't allow website links, but the parts and more info can be found on Nick's site.
Math doesn't make sense to me. $15k for the swap parts which means over $20k probably $25k with labour etc. You can rebuild the Porsche M97 for not much more and upgrade it to a 4.0L and in doing so address the shortcomings and have a reliable and robust Porsche motor. Furthermore, if you do upgrade the motor to a 4.0L and do it right, I would argue that it will add way more value to the car than the K-swap alternative. Just a guess, K-swap 997.1 will fetch = $35-35k? and be difficult to sell. Rebuilt 4.0L Porsche motor will fetch $50+ maybe more? and will be way more desirable. With that all said, I have no qualms with this build other than it doesn't make much financial sense, but I still think it's interesting and cool.
YOu're not wrong about the value, any swap usually kills resale but even with a rebuild there is always a chance of a failure and that's where this swaps value is. The buy-in isnt 'cheap' per say but after that a motor will run you $1500 on the high side to replace. If you're looking for worry free enjoyment then this is why the K motor is appealing.
I am all for what works for people and it's definitely always great to have these options and innovations. Would love for you guys to profile a rebuilt 4.0L 996/997/987 to see how it performs around the track! Btw, love the channel and keep up the great work guys!
That math is incorrect though. Let's take a running 997.1 C2S for example... Original purchase price ~30K. Sell running engine for ~15K. Buy K-Swap kit for 15K. Do the labor yourself because you aren't a girly man $0. Now you have a 500HP 997.1 with an amazing reliable engine for ~30K. Every swapped Porsche on BaT has fetched a premium (look up the archived sales). You forgot to mention that a rebuilt 4.0L with the track upgrades is literally the same price as the car itself if you go with a popular builder like Vision.
@@williamrori1274 If we are comparing apples to apples, and you double up the daily dose of Nugenix Total-T and can do all the greasy work yourself, then you can rebuild and upgrade the Porsche motor for $15k and keep the Porsche a Porsche with similar HP. Personally the character of a NA flat 6 engine howling towards the redline is one of the best automotive soundtracks and essential to preserve the true character of the car. I will reiterate, to each their own, I def think it's cool and love the these kind of projects, but personally I would want to keep my Porsche a purely Porsche experience for similar money. Also, I'm not sure about getting $15K for a non working Porsche M97 motor. My guess is $15k would probably be for a working used engine that doesn't need a full rebuild with 100,000km on it. Anyways there isn't a lot of transactions out there to reference on these things and it would be a what someone is willing to pay for the motor at the time you're selling it depending on condition etc. Grand point is any way you slice it both are expensive and labour/logistically intense projects so might as well pick the option that keeps the car original.
Nick did you make a kit fornus to k swap Porsche’s? If so I’ll go get this GT2RS it was wrecked but the frame and all is fine and interior is body panels and cosmetics need some love and the motor and transmission are blown, or locked up. But he said he’d take a number for it. And it love to see a K swapped 911 GT2RS. So it’ll be two dream cars making a baby dream car for me
I'm a purist at heart. But this ... This is BRILLIANT! I'd LOVE to piss off the other purists with one of these packages. The sound, not as good as the Mezger 97/79, but it's not bad. It has its own "thing" going on. I'd rock this whip every day of the week and twice on Sunday, just because V-TEC! Someone send me the keys, please!!!!!!! And yes, it's turned up to 11. I dig it. BUT, let's do 40 and see what happens. 🤪🤪
Porsche chassis with a k24 is the beez kneez. Very nice daily driver. For racing I'd recommend no turbo. Go k24-26 built all motor for an ultra light 10000 rpm monster. A 997 GT3.5 RS lol.
This would be my dream car. high revving characteristics and reliable K in a 911.....if I could have one car forever this would capture that idea perfectly
I love porsche but unless you have a gt3 or possibly a turbo, that engine has huge oiling issues which leads to ims issues and bore scoring. This is simply amazing. People are selling these with blown motors for cheap because a rebuilt or new engine is 20k. This guy figured out what the market needs for these older Porsches. 😎🤟
The nickel plated cylinders won’t get beat up if it’s kept warm. Cold porsches don’t do well starting and driving in the cold weather. So heated garage and let it get to operating temperature before driving. And those motor last. But that Nicole playing getting scratched, I’ve only seen it on the porsches that are kept in colder climates
This is not a new trend. This had already gained momentum in the community as several owners, with different generations of 911s have already taken that route. Including one from about 5 years ago. There's a 1982 variant with a k swap as well.
Your guys nitch is using the track time and driving and showing of products You should sell ur marketing services to tuners to launch products Please more content like this
Oil pressure gauge seems to drop below 30 PSI in right hand corners. Not so much in left hand corners. Is that an artifact of the stand alone ECU, if not that could be a concern.
Oil pressure in the 997 is sent to the cluster via CAN from the DME (or in this case, the Syvecs S7+). Because of this, it's possible that the scaling factor is incorrect, but there's no way to know for sure. The production kits use the Link G4X Fury with the CAN communications that has been validated by myself so I can guarantee it'll be accurate on the cluster for the production kit. That being said, Nick's car does not have a baffle and thus the pressure drops could be "real" for sure. For the longitudinal swaps like the 996 and 997 configurations, I would recommend adding K-Powers V2 oil pan baffle designed for longitudinally mounted K series engines. For the 986 and 987 swaps, it will retain the same transverse layout as the engine was designed for, and thus will likely not need any baffling. It'll report back once we have more track miles on the development car with the production ECU.
When people say, "It costs $15,000-$10,000 on the low end to swap (whatever) motor in this platform," it blows my mind. Sure, you can spend that much on a swap. Realistically, you can do a swap for pretty cheap if you can weld, have access to a junkyard, and have basic knowledge of car dynamics/fabrication. The turbo will cost the most, or you can get a cheap/used one. Make your own piping and mounts. The ecu and tuning will be the biggest deal, but that's always the case, and kits don't cover that. You can flash the ecu or get a stand alone. It would be sweet if their was a user ran website where enthusiasts and fabricators upload schematics for parts. You could even 3d scan manufacturers parts and upload the schematics.
