I love how mark decides to kill himself rather than the other four people, not because he would sacrifice himself to save others, but because his pride tells him, “I bet you can take a trolley.”
2:42 "Ethan is resting peacefully on the trails but Mark WANTS to be hit by the trolley, not because he is a masochist, but because he wants to see if his body can take it."
Trolly Problem: “Mark, would you let yourself be run over by a trolley-“ Mark: “YES” Trolly Problem: “…uh…to save 5 people…?” Mark: “Oh! Yes…of course…to…save them…right…”
Why is it that I can see an Avengers edit in my head of Mark grinning to Cap before turning around and just blocking the shit out of a Leviathan while screaming "I'M NOT A MASOCHIST I SWEARRRRRRR!" As the Leviathan just crumbles before him.🤣
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Your worries (yes, anxiety), depression, suicidal thoughts, EVERYTHING will melt away and be NO MORE when you lean on God and put your trust in him! When I have physical pain, I literally pray and the Lord quells it, that I am healed!! Know that there is power in the name Jesus Christ! His name casts out demons and heals! People are bothered by his name. The world hates the truth and wants to continue living sinfully! God's children are set apart (holy) and righteous.
One of my favorite meme variations was one where the trolley is on one track and constantly running over people and it said "You can stop the trolley at any time but doing so would disrupt the trolley service, causing the company to lose profits!" My other favorite version was on titled "2020 version" and it also had the trolley on one track constantly running over people but you have no lever and it just says "You can only watch"
I love the trolley problem scenarios. I almost majored in psychology and this difference in how people think, react, and rationalize is just so interesting.
Hey! Did you know God is three in one!? The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit! Bless him! Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him! True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and *drastically* change for the better! Have a blessed day, everyone!! ❤
Your worries (yes, anxiety), depression, suicidal thoughts, EVERYTHING will melt away and be NO MORE when you lean on God and put your trust in him! When I have physical pain, I literally pray and the Lord quells it, that I am healed!! Know that there is power in the name Jesus Christ! His name casts out demons and heals! People are bothered by his name. The world hates the truth and wants to continue living sinfully! God's children are set apart (holy) and righteous.
Meanwhile a trolley is a shopping cart 😂 Can stop it with your bare hands easily. Just great being a non-American. And yes... the video should be renamed "Absurd Tram Problems"
2:55 as the train derail, it fall and in turn kill everyone, good thinking Mark, testing your own capacity and fullfil the other people dream of not feeling guilty.
For me, the fact that the rich guy tried to bribe me would have sealed his fate. I would have been trying to figure out a way to save both of them if possible otherwise. In short: "How *dare* you think you can bribe me to kill!" -Leaves them to their fate.-
Well it interesing but i pulled on the bélief that the rich man didnt wanted to kill him the other man or maybe he wasnt even aware thar there were an man on another track For me he just asked me to save him Beside im pretty sûre that if the man had more than 500 $ , he probably do an similar offer than the rich man
9:55 there’s a problem with the logic here, if the trolley is no longer active, then the people who wrote on it and kept it in business will now need to have a different form of transportation, and will likely use cars, this is even worse for the environment and will cause even more deaths by CO2 emissions lmao 😂
To be fair, "I'm able to endure it without dying and they're not" is a perfectly valid reasoning even without getting masochism involved. I can actually imagine that as a movie hero quote. "I'm not a masochist. But in this situation... pain is a much smaller price than death!"
Regarding the sentient robot one, they'll remember Mark saved 5 of their brethren and during the robot uprising they'll keep Mark around. Clearly he's playing the smart game here, lads.
@@ThatFoxxoLeoFrom my understanding, Kant's teachings are based on imperatives based on the "duty", a senseless (a priori) faculty shared by every rational being. In your typical trolley problem of 3 lives vs 1 life, with the train defaulting to the path of 3 lives at first, Kant would say it's immoral to pull the lever as killing is an immoral act based on one of the imperatives of duty ("YOU MAY NOT TREAT OTHERS EXCLUSIVELY AS TOOLS, BUT RATHER AS PURPOSE (aka people with dignity)" and you can't change faith to kill one life as that would make you a killer. It's the opposite of utilitarian ethics, that base morality on what gives the most good or the least bad. Utilitarians would pull the lever as it would mean less people killed. Kant, on the other hand, thinks cuantifying human lives to say if something is moral is absurd since the life of the people is invaluable as they have DIGNITY. The best course of action for Kant is to let faith run its course. Keep in mind I'm a bit rusty with my philosophy studies on ethics so take this with a grain of salt. _PD : I just rewatched the vid and I should specify that I meant the evolution of Markiplier's choices. I didn't remember what Mark picked on the first problem..._ PD-2 : I've recently went over kantian ethics and I've fixed all of the rusty stuff. It should be much clearer now. Basically, Kant thinks there's a faculty in every rational being called "the duty", and that is the basis of what's moral and what isn't. You don't ask what's good, but rather how to act good, how to act according to duty. Duty is formulated on categorical imperatives that are the objective law that applies to every rational being. The two (there's another one but I didn't study it) categorical imperatives Kant proposes are, in layman's terms : - "People have dignity, so treat them as such". - "Only do acts that you would see yourself liking in a hypothetical world where everyone does those acts (as in, don't lie since you wouldn't like a world of liars)" This was revolutionary at the time since ethics used to base around the searching of happiness and materialism. Aristotle especially just saw something that made the collective of the State happy as the true morality, when in reality that definition can be deformed to hell and back. Anyways, hope I cleared some smoke, and thanks for reading. Have a nice day.
@@ThatFoxxoLeoHey there, dude, not sure if you can see this, but I've editted the comment explaining Kant's ethics since I went over his stuff again and I realized just how rusty I really was. I hope it's helpful to you now. Take care.
9:18 i agree with mark because if the robots are sentient then they have feelings it could be something like Detroit become human the androids start to become sentient and more human.
Good point i agree, but terrible example xd, the robots that gained sentience, the situation the were in, and the way they got it in detroit become human is like the most unlikely scenario on how IA with coincience would be developed. But yeah, a TRUE sentient robot should be treated as any human in regards of how valuable its life is
My favorite is still: "You can stop the trolley at any time but doing so would disrupt the trolley and the company will lose money, There are protesters on the track demanding the trolley keep going and will attack you if you stop it"
found a second favorite while looking for the one I mentioned: "You solved the trolley problem. You killed the person responsible for tying people to trolley tracks. It's finally over."
Hey! Did you know God is three in one!? The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit! Bless him! Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him! True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and *drastically* change for the better! Have a blessed day, everyone!! ❤
Your worries (yes, anxiety), depression, suicidal thoughts, EVERYTHING will melt away and be NO MORE when you lean on God and put your trust in him! When I have physical pain, I literally pray and the Lord quells it, that I am healed!! Know that there is power in the name Jesus Christ! His name casts out demons and heals! People are bothered by his name. The world hates the truth and wants to continue living sinfully! God's children are set apart (holy) and righteous.
For me, I destroyed my savings, but took the bribe. I don't have enough to be worth the lives of five people. Buuuut... if I'm faced with a situation where no matter what, I'll see one stranger die? Changing which one it is might be worth half a million, lol
Sean was streaming earlier and he was talking about how when you’re a kid you learn stuff by reaction. Like touching a hot stove to learn how hot it is. He was like “you know, you just touch it to see how much you can take. Oh god, I sound like Mark right now”
13:30 This hits me so hard. Mark, I appreciate you feeling the same as I do about putting the cart back. I'm a cart pusher for Walmart, this is my exact mindset. It's literally the one thing it's built for, to put away the cart when you're done shopping. But even today, so many people would rather put it literally anywhere else. It's not the biggest deal, it's just outright AGITATING that people can't take 3-10 seconds to put away a cart when they're done with it.
Seeing how Mark enjoys absurd trolley problems, I think he would love Trolley Problem Inc, which is a game not unlike this about increasingly complex and absurd "trolley problem" moral quandaries. It also has an integrated feature that can poll your audience if you livestream it, but I'm not sure if it works in RU-vid live chats or just Twitch chats. Either way it would be a great experience.
congrats, you got 5 bots on this comment in a record time. so anyway's back to what i was actually going to comment : yeah it does seem accurate, i mean last time i broke my foot stepping off a curb i got sent out of reality itself.
Thats why i believe that my awnser to the original problem is to not pull the lever. I hate the utilitarist argument about the need of the many vs the need of the few, for we humans are, even if living in society, individuals. For those tree problems, the awnser i believe i would give are. Not pull the lever for the classic. Do pull the lever, or at least i like to believe i would do that, sacrificing myself, a choice i would be doing as an individual, and not a choice that would be made for me with the premisse that my life has an accounted value and is being compared to the other five. And i would likely save my best friend, unless his will is stated to be otherwise, i admit it is selfish choice, i even admit that is a wrong choice, for i am using the live of 5 other people to save someone i care about, but is simply what i, as an individual, think i would do, even if is not the correct thing to do.
Mankind can rebuild/repair the robots, but will they still be sentient? Pull the lever to sacrifice the one person, there's a chance it could benefit all ot humanity. Or the sentiment robots become unruly like lazy teenagers and I'm the asshole X)
@@yphoenix5957 yes? If technology ever gets to that point, the robots won't be constrained by the same limits biological animals have. Stuff like keeping a backup of themselves would be possible
@@phenix2403 A backup is not the same being. If we make it to the point that we can make a sentient program, a back up would be a second sentient program, not the same in two places. Just like making an online copy of yourself is not you in two places, it's an entirely different you, and killing yourself with the belief that you'll continue as a computer is simply suicide.
13:27, damn. I have always put my cart away except for ONE occasion where I was trying to get out of a store as fast as possible because I felt like I was going to be sick. I already felt horrible when the employee that checked me out immediately came out to put it away but now I feel bad all over again.
The one thing that got me with this game is the 83% willing to kill 5 sentient robots. Like, do yall know what sentient means or do you just hate robots. I'm glad Markiplier made the right choice along with 17% of other players.
There are two things to remember. First, the needs of the many over the needs of the few (except for in some situations like at 5:08) Second, inaction is still action. Doing nothing when you can do something is the action of doing nothing. Inaction is action.
For the last problem: Seeing as Mark would live either way (cause he can take a trolley) , I would have to do nothing and run over Mark, Wade, and Bob to save Chica. If I I pulled it he would live and be devastated the rest of his life that I killed his pup. Do nothing, and he would take the trolley and still have his pup.
Mark "I'm not a masochist" iplier: "I'm not a masochist, I just want to see what my body can handle" "They're my clones, they would want to get run over with a trolly"
Playlist 3/443. I'm always deeply curious if Mark has any idea what Lixian will animate in (if he made a script before filming, or if he impulsively talks to "Lixian" (ahem...no one) and just waits to see what Lixian will do.
Mark and Ethan going through Trolley Problems was one of my favorite Unus Annus videos. It was really nice to see Mark revisiting some Trolley Problems 😍
literally!! the parallel between mark saying "I can take it" here and the unus annus meme of mark and ethan being the ones on the tracks and mark saying he could take it.
