@ANGTECTV So do the Officer candidates only get yelled at by Officers here? Or are there enlisted members who do that training like in the other services? I went through Marine Corps OCS and I was just wondering how this compares. Thank you.
5 Pushups you ask Shimanchuntakara; USAF OTs have significantly higher IQs than their Navy, Army or even USMC counterparts. 5 pushups are all that is required before the OTs figure out and adapt to the academic error. It usually takes the Army of One candidates, or Devil Pups 500 before the clue sets in. Running you ask? We have vans and sedans. Combat Skills? Remember to check one's phone texts for the days' current Force Protection Condition prior to going to breakfast. Marksmanship: Curser on target, press. Watch CNN to verify the target was eliminated. Glad I could help.
To throw in a slight more knowledge about AMS, it's not a 'walk in the park' as some folk think. Just because someone can pass it does not mean all can. My class graduated about 80%. Keep in mind this is a commissioning source, not a specialized training course like Ranger School or SERE school (been there, done that as well.) The bottom line is this: The branches (to include the Air Guard) tailor the respective commissioning courses that reflect each services' ultime responsibility.
I am about to graduate college and Ive been looking at joining the Air Guard and go to AMS. Although I feel its like cheating considering they physicality demanded is incredibly low
Baldr Odinson I guess this vid can be a bit misleading. on another note, there are a lot of vids on USMC bootcamp and I didn't see any emphasis on classroom instruction / academics, attention to detail and the like. to me their training was not very challenging and I was equally surprised. maybe MC vids are misleading too.
colors1387 That is because in the Marine Corps classroom instruction is a means to an end. There is plenty of classroom instruction in Marine Corps training. However, the Marine Corps does not live in the classroom. Rather the Marine Corps lives and dies on the battlefield. The battlefield being something that 99.9% of Airmen will never actually encounter (no, being on the FOB during an IDF attack is NOT the battlefield). What was being referred to as lax training was the remarkable lack of military bearing and discipline, of which attention to detail is a major component.
Gerald Cohron 99% of Airmen don't see battle (LoL)? only 1/3rd of Marines see battle, so what are you saying? classroom in MCRD being a means to an end? you guys live and die on the battlefield? (stop the madness) question; by what 'means' does Marine classroom instruction operate and what is the desired 'end' ? i'll await your answer. ' remarkable lack of bearing/discipline' ? . what i find remarkable is the mention of these attributes by a member whose branch is Legendary in its lack of bearing, discipline and maturity. see many Marines talk of discipline but with the myriad arrests, article 15s, public drunkenness / fighting, court martial and civil convictions, rape allegations, etc, I don't see much military bearing / discipline on display in the Marine Corp . what i see is the blatant lack thereof. i think it would be prudent for you and the Corp to stop Talking of honor, discipline and pride and simply start Exemplifying it. as Airmen, we don't speak much on those things, but our collective conduct both on and off the base speaks volumes about our level of discipline/bearing and maturity. and one more thing- i hear/read Marines all the time talk about how much better the Corp is than all other branches. Here's the thing; when you are truly good, you don't have to tell other people ... other people will tell you. just ask an Airman. we're told often. thanks for writing .
Wow! I thought you had to be smart to be in the Air Force. Based on the poor grammar and the lack of a cohesive thought in your comment it is obvious that is not true. The means by which a classroom operates are an instructor and students. Now you can stop waiting for my answer. The Marine Corps is legendary for lack of military bearing and discipline? Oh, I get it. You are a troll, and not being serious. However, I will keep playing along because you are making me laugh with how outlandish your claims are. Are you saying that the Air Force does not have Airmen that get Article 15's? (in the Marine Corps we call them NJP's because the title of Article 15 of the UCMJ is Non-Judicial Punishment) There has never been any case of sexual misconduct or public intoxication? You must be a troll. I could list several very public instances that involve the Air Force and dishonorable conduct. The funny thing about your last couple comments is that the only people I have ever heard talk positively about the Air Force are Air Force personnel. However, I could list several non-Marines, both foreign and domestic, that have spoken very highly of the United States Marine Corps. Return to hiding under your bridge.
Gerald Cohron you thought correctly regarding the Air Force's qualifications and incorrectly regarding me but that is of no consequence. now to your response- I had hoped for a more complete answer regarding the 'means and ends' question.but as expected it was insufficient and vague (I will no longer await that response). bearing should be evident in our conduct beyond being on duty/ in uniform. we are service members whether we are on/off duty, in/out of uniform and our comportment must be reflective of this at All times. no doubt some Airmen don't adhere to this thought . in those cases, judgment is swift and severe (this includes Art 15s and BCDs). i never said nor intimated that we didn't receive 'bad paper', aren't guilty of sexual misconduct and a host of other questionable acts . I made no claims to this effect. you incorrectly inferred it. me, a troll? you do yourself no favors by stating such a thing (LoL). but I digress. lets get back to things. let me direct your attention (and those of the general public) to two (out of many) Marine Corp incidents. the first being the great 'Secrets for Sex' incident of 1987 involving the Always Faithful, the few, the proud, moving towards the sound of chaos, Marine Corp. in this cameo appearance, national security was threatened by an embassy Marine who thought it ok to barter U.S./national security information for sexual favors. this was simply deplorable and pathetic. google it. the second involves, and I clear my throat here, that bastion of 'all things honorable', the Marine Corp, in a nytimes.com article entitled 'Why haven't Marines Shown Stronger Support for Women?' the Corp was lambasted for ... well go ahead and read it. Please pay attention to what your Commandant had to say. I can assure you that no plaudits were heaped upon the Corp as a result of this article. funny- you've only heard AF folks speak positively of the AF? hmmm. either you're lying, your social circle/human interaction is severely limited, or you're simply in denial. you know, your response is as myopic as it is trite. good day.
It doesn't fly in basic training, either, but this is a course designed so that someone in average fitness in their forties can commission without... dying. Though, they oughta ramp it up a little more... five pushups is hardly even inconvenient.
Inter-service rivalries have always been a part of US Military culture and it always will be. I was an active duty Navy EOD Tech for 6 years, I had USMC clerks make fun of me for being in the Navy. On my multiple tours to Iraq and Afghanistan, I served with some Air Force PJ's, and we made fun of them for being in the Air Force, and they laughed it off and took it like men. Chill out man.
+LyndonYRB - couple of pointers. Don't be afraid to take initiative. When you carry your books... carry only what you need tor the day. Do not carry ALL... Your case/bag... (I had a brief case to carry) will get very heavy holding it upright (shoulder high) in front of you - you'll find out. Read your little blue book thoroughly. Learn how to spell Lieutenant... You'll be asked to spell it a time or two. If you screw it up - you'll be dropped. Lastly, get in shape.
For example, the Marines need their OCS to be the way it is because the overall nature of the job (insertion, establishment, etc.) The Army's OCS needs to be the way it is because of their duties (sustainment, etc.) and so on. It pains me when I see or hear people bashing on the other branches syaing how hard or soft they are. If I wanted to be a Marine, I assure you the projects I grew up in better prepared me for it than any training in the world could, but I choose the Air Guard for a reason.
I lost it at "Aye sir." "WHAT?? ARE YOU SERIOUS?? ARE YOU A PIRATE??!!! YOU'RE NOT IN THE NAVY, NOR THE MARINE CORPS! UNITED STATES AIR FORCE! I'M NOT A PIRATE, YOU'RE NOT A PIRATE. NO AYE'S, NO ARR'S!!"
We all make choices based on whatever reasons we have. Let's not forget that all of our uniforms have 'U.S.' in front, ultimately bonding us to a greater common cause. Class O-2008-2
Over half of the comments in here seem to be in response to some other comment, but they’re not posting directly to whoever this commenter was. What’s happening here?
@imarayda Yeah, I went through Marine Corps OCS, these MTI's wear the campaign covers, but its just not the same, we were not allowed to respond with an inside voice to our D.I.'s and if we did, we got bleach poured in the rain room while we did pushups and other nasty shit. Or they would put us on a four hour firewatch so we would never get any sleep.
I'm about to take a military science course in college but I'm not sure exactly what they do. Am I just going to learn concepts and book work? Or am I going to do some conditioning and learn how to work in a squad by doing team based activities? PLEASE SOMEONE!
Also, I'm not saying you couldn't make it through Marine Corps OCS, in fact I bet you probably could, but don't just assume you could. That's a good way to piss off ACTUAL Marines who have ACTUALLY been through Marine Corps OCS.
Thank you. Of course, it's the truth. What some folks in other branches fail to realize is that we all work TOGETHER for a common cause; the United States cause. Then, we break it down further in respective AFSCs... Man, it doesn't get any better than that, in my opinion... :-)
you're absolutely right;it aint the same. the standards are higher here.responding in an inside/outside voice doesnt matter here. pouring bleach on someone doesnt matter here. yelling for effect doesnt matter here.what Does matter is that your OCS training prepared you for your service.if it did, then good on you.if it didnt, no amont of bleach,yelling or any other superfluous bull$h!t that your branch puts off as being tough will help you .and bytheway,the dark blue smokey is way meaner .
Yes you do. All potential officers go through officer training rather a newbie fresh out of college or a master sargent with 20 years in. Look at the part of the video with the candidates wearing their blues with all of the ribbons, chances are they were E5 and above.
Brother, if Marines who went through OCS are pissed off by my comments, then shame on them because if they read my comments, they would see that I don't mean any offense to anyone. I attempted to do quite the opposite.
So calling it basic is retarted just because its not what you call it? Are you compensating for something with all this "Semper fi im so badass please look at me"?
understand; the Army/Marine Corps arent Airmen. they arent trained to skillfully think through a situation and then execute the task with precision and attention to detail. that's why their academic skills,maturity and attention to detail are jokes. they are trained to be proficient at their task according to their training. no U.S. branch of service can bring to bear the amount of near instantaneous, total destruction that we can. we dont leave tears behind. we dont even leave 'the path' behind. we leave 'Nothing' behind . access/support to this kind of lethality requires an Airman's skill-set. personally, i dont care which way is better. i care that you young Airmen learn enough about your branch that you can shut ignorant bullshit down . Aim High
