Accurascale Thwarts Bachmann With Superior Class 37 | Unboxing & Review 

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railroad, railway, some people say one, some people say the other. Here in the states some were called railroads, others railways. Guess it just depends^^@@BrecklandSpotting

@@schuylerschultz804ignore him old people from England think nothing exists outside the uk

Thank you so much for your kind words Doctor, that's very much appreciated! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

And the price, what Ricmann don't seem to care, just over priced.

I think Bachmann probably re-tooled theirs before Accurascale announced theirs. It doesn’t really seem like Bachmann to copy another manufacturer, and to be fair Bachmann have been upgrading a lot of their diesels lately (ie: the new Class 20, 24, 25 and 47). Bachmann’s new 37 isn’t bad ether, but I do think that the Accurascale one is slightly better.

I'm looking forward to the class 31. I have 5 on order.

@@roberthill6216 seriously, there is another diesel locomotive from Accurascale coming out soon.

The sand pipes are made to scale and having asked accurascale they are designed to be trimmed if you have right radius on your layout.

But it is an extra/improved detail over those already available. It is like comparing a loco with a buffer falling off against an older one which incorrectly never had them at all.

If that had happened on a Hornby loco we wouldn’t hear the end of it.

Hornby don't add them to their models at all :) @@TheGameCamer360

@@mccarronfamily missed the point completely

They do, the GWR 7800 Manor has just been released to customers and they have the J67, J68 and J69's coming later.

@@sapphirejunction8993 Oh you’re right. Just looked them up. Still I do hope to see them do some larger steam locomotives (such as a 9F) in the future

@@railfanjackson4531 A 9F is also top of my list for Accurascale, closely followed by a Large Prairie.

@@nigelericogden3200 their are already two 9F’s and two large prairies on the market, I don’t really see why we need a third (although the Bachmann 9F and Hornby Large Prairie are not great.). Also, I want to see a review of the Manor first, as apparently it is going to have a 3-pole motor…

I did try with tweezers... the parts broke before snapping apart - if they were designed to be snap fit, that didn't work on my example, Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Yeah that's the thing - reasonable price but still a lot of money to find :( You're right - something seems to have changed across the board re motors... could be just a coincidence... but I like it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Bachmann's prices deserve roasting, they are ludicrous and obscene.....BUT, retailers are beginning to offer 35% off the newly tooled 37s and 47s which have been out for a year! This makes them cheaper than Accurascale's!

No, I don't think that's quite right. Model shops wouldn't be interested in selling models on the basis of an "affiliate" link kind of deal - they have overheads to pay, and they couldn't afford it. Accurascale sell to retailers at a discount as usual, they just don't play around with artificially high RRPs that make products seem better value than they are when they get "discounted". Where do you get your information that retailers are making no money from Accurascale? If it's just a guess, I'd refrain from spreading such things, as it could be a considerable misrepresentation of the facts. Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@@SamsTrains Hi Sam I was very careful to put in 'This suggests to me' before I made my comment, although perhaps I was not so careful later on. To answer your comments. I wasn't suggesting that retailers are not making any money from Accurascale, just that they are only perhaps making a small percentage. I would imagine that Accurascale want to keep those modellers who don't use the internet happy and supply a certain amount through shops to those customers happy. As to whether shops would sell them for only small amounts, the answer I would suggest is a definite yes! If someone is offering to supply you with a box and you're guaranteed to make a 5 or 10 pounds from it then why wouldn't you? How much do you think they make on a pot of paint or a pack of imitation grass, a box is a box, retailers are not romantic... but with a high ticket item this also comes with the added bonus of producing that all important cash flow, and cash flow is king! Imagine if someone comes to you and and says they can guarantee to deliver you three boxes a month and they will supply them for £190 each and then you can sell them for £200 each. You will make £30 profit every month, but far more importantly because you would normally have 30 days to pay you would have an extra £570 of cash flow in your business every month, and while you could argue that you can't really use it the bank manager will be very impressed and he will feel more happy about lending you money or investing. As I say, I have no idea what Accurascales trading terms are and I'm sure they would not be happy to share them, but my personal guess would be something along those lines, but it is purely a guess. I don't spend a lot of time studying Accurascale prices but I have very rarely seen their items being sold at anything other than the same price that they sell them for, and I'm more than happy to be proved wrong. I think the only times I have seen reductions is with wagons that have perhaps sat around longer than would be expected. What would normally happen in these instances is that the manufacturer would issue a credit rebate against your next order on certain items, this is why you will suddenly see a single item being reduced by all the retailers at the same time. It's not the shops offering you the extra discount but the manufacturer. I'm just trying to give you an insight into my 30+ years of buying and selling in retail and how the system generally works, it is off course not always the same. I hope you find this interesting or at least something to ponder, I'm just trying to maybe put some context in. I certainly have no affiliation with either Bachmann or Accurascale and my thoughts are my own, and they are just that, thoughts and ideas based on experience.

No, I checked with a retailer to verify that the information I gave you was correct, and it is. Accurascale sell to retailers at trade price, the same as any other manufacturer does. Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Accurascale have a trade website and have previously published their trade terms. They do 30-33.33% for trade and generous terms too ( redir terms and free shipping) So basically they are just doing it way better or bachman are overcharging

@@jamesthatcher4190 Thanks James, very interesting. When this model was announced in 2019 with this RRP of £169.99 it was basically the same as Bachmann's 37. Since then we have had Covid and a world wide rise in the cost of shipping and energy that makes peoples eyes water, and business were not given the same level of protection via price capping as households. While some of those costs are starting to fall now they are still way more than they were in 2019. This has led to the large inflation in everything that we buy in the UK, although again some savings are now starting to drift through. Accurascale do not live in a bubble away from the rest of the world so they must be doing something to negate this. Perhaps a 90/10 split with internet/retail sales, so basically selling 10% of product at cost to retailers, you don't make a loss, but it hits your top line. I hope this doesn't sound like an argument, I'm just trying to figure out how they are doing it, the business side is probably more interesting to me than the locos! (lol).

Yeah... not worth £10 in my opinion - from the images I've seen, the colour 3D printed figures don't look that good. I feel confident that 2 injection moulded figures could be produced and painted for much less than than £10. And I'm glad the Bachmann have been discounted - but £160-£180 is still far too much, given how much better Accurascale's is... the lesser model needs to cost less if you ask me! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Maybe buy a pack and see how realistic they look in person ? A painted figure will never look as accurate @@SamsTrains

Absolutely, i completely agree... I get vitrains vibes from the accurascale models in terms of build quality.

Exactly this !

This is a pain to service, that's for sure - but I see no reason why it wouldn't last as long as Bachmann's - they're fundamentally the same in terms of build, both have bearings etc. Thanks for watching, Sam :)

The sound fitted Bachmann 47s are absolutely fabulous.

Still no news on my pre-order placed in April 2022! Every time I enquire of Derails it’s delayed. Great review though and can’t wait (although I have to ☹️).

Probably because MaRkEtInG.

Some have metal like mine!

KR Models are making one.

Bachmann are pretty close, Hornby on a different planet!

I dont know where you get the idea that Hornby is making huge profits. They have been losing money for almost 10 years. Their current share price is 19p compared to stg 1.50 in 2011. They also have substantial debt. I dont know how Bachman is going because there are no published financials although it was reported some years ago that they were suffering heavy losses. So if the two major producers are not making money the obvious question is how can Acurascale if they selling a more detailed and presumably more costly to produce product. The model train market is showing all the classic signs of a product in the decline stage of the product life cycle exhibited by ever increasing product complexity as each player tries to hold share in a declining market.

With so many born-again modellers coming back to the hobby with time, space and (some) resources, if I were Hornby, the brand they’ll remember, I would go down market to the sub £100 loco level (Railroad) and produce less detailed but good running models. At that price point, younger modellers would also be encouraged in as it’s not too far off birthday and Christmas present prices, whereas £200+ for a loco is (probably) an overstretch….and would you want to put a loco of that value and intricate detail in the hands of an 8 year old? (No disrespect to 8 year olds 😀)…..I was one once, but my locos were die cast Hornby three-rail, practically indestructible!

​@@gregscally5119 I wrote that Hornby boxed Lion to maximise profit, not that Hornby were making huge profits.

Greg, I think it's because Hornby are too big to sustain themselves - they have a massive premises and an enormous team. Their models aren't much better than others, yet they're extremely expensive, presumably to try and maintain such a huge company. Accurascale are very different - they operate on a 'work-from-home' basis, and they have a comparatively much smaller team. They also focus on model railway products, and doing them well... rather than trying to serve multiple different hobbies and spreading themselves too thinly. The fact that Accurascale can produce models as good as this at prices as good as this, shows that their business structure can work. Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@@SamsTrains Hornby own Airfix, and new Airfix is just brilliant. Their tooling, presentation and instructions are up there with the best, and sure, their prices have risen but you get an excellent kit for your money. Airfix have also had the decency to release their ancient kits labelling and pricing them accordingly. Revel release ancient kits and price them as if they are new. So at least one arm of Hornby respects their customers.

If you check info out even Scottish 37s scottie dog era were seen on St Blazey shed at Par, They ranged far and wide so you could buy one, Like most locos even the cl52s were sometimes seen at Leeds.

It sure is - and truly deserved too! It will indeed fit just fine - and I have some comparisons in this video if you're interested! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

There was a thing called covid too.

Yeah exactly - just can't wait to see what they do with steam! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)