In my opinion your equipment set ups are some of the best and when i win the lottery in having you design my personal carwash for my collection of exotic cars
What is the parts list that is necessary to put together 2 Ryobis? A complete list with parts links would be absolutely amazing. Also, what orifice size are you running in the foam cannon for the 2 Ryobi package?
Ain't none of them getting X-Factor #'s Bob! BTW, The CAT is , CAT BY ACTIVE that's why the numbers are the same. I have heard that the psi rating they put on these machines is from when you let go of the trigger and it spikes. I'm not saying I'm right, that's just what I heard. I have the CAT by active, the active 2.0 AND the active VE52.... Now I just need that Gas powered X-Factor....YEAH BABY!! That was a fun video. BTW, your buddy is going to burn up his active 2.0 with that 100' hose... I had two go bad. 1 I used a 100' hose, the other I used a 75' hose.... it's just too much distance for a 110V-120V machine! I enjoyed the video man.. good times!!
lol yeah mine are made for the big jobs man. I’ve been seeing people talking about activ making the cat internals so that makes a lot of sense on the specs now. Hopefully Brent’s machine holds up on that 100’ hose lol
Each Ryobi drawa bout 13.7 amps tops courtesy of the @jasonwalter9359 research in the. comments here, so you would need two circuits I'd say. The gpm was a bit over 2gpm but we lost a good amount due to splashing, I'll have to test it better to see an accurate gpm
The way most of those pressure and gpm ratings are done is they take the smallest possible orofice size to get the “max” pressure and the biggest possible to get the “max” flow. They should test it with the orofice size they include so the product the consumer gets matches the numbers on the box, but that probably makes too much sense.
@@ChemX The Active 2.0 is tuned to deliver 2 GPM at 1000 PSI as posted on their website. They ship with the 3.7 orifice so it is optimized for most detailing applications. With Stars and Stripes, I see where higher pressure would be more desireable. Foaming everything on at 2 GPM and 1000 PSI works great, but I see where it would be nice to still have the 2 GPM but upping the pressure to 1800 PSI. Going with a smaller nozzle orifice would get the PSI up, but GPM will drop pretty quickly. The other drawback is that the amperage draw is going to increase with a smaller orifice size and that isn't good if you don't keep tabs and start overloading wiring.
Man if I lived close by I would be there volunteering myself and my experience to you everyday brother. What a privilege it would be. LOVE your work brother!! I have so damn many soaps/chemicals but I am done buying so I can get me Stars/stripes/snake oil and heavy duty.
AWESOME CONTENT & GREAT CHANNEL !!!!! I thought the Dual Ryobi setup was a pretty cool idea. I build gravity-fed pure water spot-free systems using the 330-gallon totes with the Ryobi 1600 - 1.2gpm. I have never tried to figure out what the water pressure is coming out of the tote but it's probably less than 10psi. I use a 2" rubber cradle with a 1" barb then attach a 1 7/8" OD braided tubing to a 3/4" male hose fitting to attach to the pressure washer. Have 50ft of 1/4" pressure washing hose on a hose reel. For a system that is rated at 1600 psi ( so they say ) I can get 1750 - 1800 psi out of the gun using a 12" lance. and the yellow tip supplied with the pressure washer. What I found since this is a gravity-fed system by using the bigger hose to the pressure washer my systems work much better than a regular garden hose size as it should do since it's not starving for water. I have had one of my systems for over 8 years using the Ryobi 1600 and it still works without an issue. I switched out the 3/8" pressure washing hose to a 1/4" and I did see a difference in how the Ryobi sounds different .... I will change back to the 3/8" hose. The only gas pressure washer that works good with a Gravity fed system is a Belt Drive pressure washer, Tegular direct drive gas pressure washers have premature failures. But really any electric pressure works phenomenal for gravity-fed tank systems from what I have seen. Once again awesome content you guys put out,
@ChemX Just one more option that might be of interest... Siamese CATs! There is a newer, less costly, CAT 1850 that is also designed and made by Active. @CarsWithKeav and @imjoshv both tested the CAT 1850 to get around 1.5 GPM @1000 PSI. The CAT 1850's are currently $129 each on Amazon. It would up the overall project by $60, but I'm sure you could get closer to 3.0 GPM and maybe even push closer to 1200 PSI. I would have to go orifice shopping and pick up some 5.5 and 6.0's as I know what results I'm getting with 5.0 with the Siamese Ryobi setup.
Im only here for kona!!! I love that pup lol but the 2 ryobi's turned out pretty cool you should definitely think about selling the hardware kit so people can do that at home
Perfect timing... I was watching Matt at Obsessed Garage and started thinking of a "poor man's" version of his dual pressure washer setup. Dual Krenzles at $1,400 each is out of reach for me, but a couple of $99 Ryobis is doable. I had the tee, hoses, ball-valves, and QC's all in my Amazon cart. Thanks for mentioning and showing the check-valves as they are now expected to arrive on Tuesday with everything else. All-in cost for pressure washers and plumbing should be around $300 versus the $350 for the Active 2.0. The main reason that I am going the Siamese Ryobi route is after seeing the roughly 2.25 GPM @ 1500 PSI that you had, it will give the flexibility to have a bit more punch for rinsing Stars and Stripes and it can be dialed back to 1000 PSI by upping the nozzle orifice to a 4.0-5.0 for even more GPM. I am excited to test it out. Awesome to see the powder option of Stars and Stripes coming along. Great innovation!
Nice I’m glad to hear the video helped you out on that! I think the dual ryobi’s are a killer solution to get some work done, I’m going to lay mine out a bit better and start using them in videos more
You could also just get the Active VE56 at $200. It’s not quite those numbers, but still decent and much cheaper than the 2.0 and and easier than the dual setup. You also don’t need an extra 15 amp circuit for it.
@@seashackf1 I don't see where the Active VE56 is available and the cheapest VE52 is still $230. I'm pretty sure that Active has stopped production and the 2.0 is the "old" model and the 2.3 is now their top dog. So... I am getting better numbers than the Active 2.3 with the Siamese Ryobi setup. Active 2.3 is currently running $650... for around half that price, you can have better performance. Yes, the dual setup isn't for everyone, but it's working well for me! I'm tempted to swap out to the CAT 1850's (that are made by Active) as they are running $129 on Amazon and with a single 3.0 nozzle you can get 1.5 GPM @ 1000 PSI (see Cars with Keav and IMJoshV test results). My guess is that with Siamese CAT 1850's you would be just shy of 3.0 GPM and possibly getting closer to 1200 PSI. I'm betting nozzle orfice size would need to be in the 5.5-6.0 range.
@ChemX Here's the numbers that I just verified this morning from running Siamese Ryobi 1800's: 4.5 orifice - 2.34 GPM @ 1000 PSI - 11.4 amps on one and 11.7 amps on the other. I have these both on the same circut, but two different outlets (double gang box). It's a shop environment, so I think the industrial wiring (12GA THHN) is helping quite a bit as these are only on a 20 amp breaker. The only time I have tripped it is when I flipped both on at the same time. No issues when using the pressure washers under normal use, intermittent foaming or constant rinsing. The total stop system works on both as the pressure washers stop and start again. I prefer using the 5.0 orifice to get 2.55 GPM @ 900 PSI - 11.1 amps and 11.3 amps. I couldn't believe the numbers when I got 2.58, so I did an average of 3 tests, one was even higher at 2.59. I don't have a proper lid, so I am just holding some cardboard over the top of the bucket and trying to keep it from splashing out. It's cool to see the water swirling for almost another full minute after removing the pressure. Although the pressure is a bit lower, the higher flow is getting some work done for sure. It sounds like things will get even better as the newer Ryobi breaks in... it's about 6 months behind in usage.
@@AMI_Detail oh wow, you actually did it, very cool. Those are great results for the cost. Do you really need more than 2.5 gpm though? I could see more pressure being more helpful than more gpm at that point. For a dirty truck or a winter wash 2 gpm and 1500 psi would probably work better than 3 gpm. Matt (OG) has said many times he made up the 1000psi. He said since it didn’t hurt his hand should be good on paint, so don’t get too caught up on 1000. He only has clean cars to wash and never has to deal with sand and salt. The Ryobi’s are great machines for the cost, As Matt proved. The rest, besides Karcher, are junk. I made the mistake of getting a Sun Joe a few months before he started his test. I thought I was getting a decent machine. He proved it was junk and it breaking after less than three years of use also proved it. Meanwhile I still have a 20 year old Karcher that I have as a back up because it still works. The one OG sells is the VE56. The search shows 52, but if you click on it the OG website has it as 56. Until fairly recently you could find it for $199 even on Amazon. I just searched and you’re right, only OG seems to have it now at $230. Maybe it’s now exclusive to them?? Or out of production like you said and OG is just selling the inventory they have. Shame, for the cost and performance that’s a great machine. The 2.0 is a considerable jump up in price from it. They could also have an exclusive deal to only sell it as the CAT version. If so, that’s great it’s still available, but they do charge $75 more for the CAT branding. You’re right about the CAT 1850. The fact that it’s made by Active is huge. I had no idea they made machines like that, even rebranded, so that’s why I never watched that review when they came out. That’s definitely a contender in the sub $150 category to the Ryobi and Karcher.
How close is the powered version of stars & stripes from being available? If it's performing equal to the liquid concentrate why not begin offering it for sale without the color shifting 'feature'? Keep developing the color shift for future. It would save a lot on shipping.
We’re on track to release it within a month roughly, it won’t have the color shock but it will be higher foaming than the current liquid version, I’m excited to see how everyone likes it
For the sake of science , we need you to daisy chain a battery powered washer to this $100 ryobi and report back the numbers. This eliminates the circuit overload of two electric pressure washers
lol I use the Ryobi 1800 unit with a 4.0 orifice tip. 'm getting 725psi and 1.7gpm. not bad for 99$ mfgs state surge pressure at the pump head for all units so they claim 1800psi but it does say in b the manual working pressure 1100to 1400 and the tips vary the pressure unless unloader is an option. mfgs need to be upfront and honest about these false claims. you should sell a siamese kit for the 2 Ryobis on your site! keep up the great videos!
Below the $200 Active ve56, which the cat basically is, the Ryobi and Karcher are the best machines as Matt proved in all his tests. The ve56 would much easier and cheaper than dual Ryobi’s.
The CAT is the same internals as the Active VE56, not the 2.0. The VE56 is also cheaper at $200. That would also be a cheaper and much easier solution than the dual Ryobi’s.
@@ChemX Active used to sell the ve52, which they then branded for CAT (and another place in Canada, Simonz, I believe). The specs were very similiar, with the upgrades in the Active 2.0 mainly targeted at longer service life. 200+ hours versus the 100 hours that is more common in the big box type pressure washers.
Active replaced the ve52 with the ve56. Basically the same machine just with upgrades to fix reliability issues. It’s the same machine as the CAT but much cheaper at $200.
Funny enough...I have that Ryobi setup in my garage and use it for my own personal car detailing. I currently run a 2.5 orifice with it...but would you recommend a bigger orifice to get more water through?
I'm pretty sure they were using a 3.5 orifice to yield the 2.25 GPM @ 1500 PSI. If you are only at a 2.5, I am pretty sure you could easily up that to 4.0 to get even more GPM and get closer to 1000 PSI. I should have my setup done next week and I will be testing some variables.
@@joshraines Here's what I am getting with my Siamese Ryobi 1800 setup: 4.0 nozzle = 2.13 GPM @ 1400 PSI - 12.6/12.8 amps 4.5 nozzle = 2.34 GPM @ 1000 PSI - 11.4/11.7 amps 5.0 nozzle = 2.55 GPM @ 900 PSI - 11.1/11.3 amps Definitely have the 1.25 orifice on your foam cannon as it will work best with this kind of flow. I measured 1600 PSI and 13.5/13.9 amps when using an MJJC Foam Cannon S v3. I have the two on separate outlets, but on the same 20 amp circut in my shop. It's more of industrial wiring, but still just 12 GA but individual stranded THHN wire run in conduit. I've only tripped the circut one time when I kicked both units on from a cold start. I have had no issues with using these intermittent (foaming) or constant (rinsing Stars and Stripes from bottom up and then overall top down rinse off).
Before I purchased my electric power washer, I noticed most smaller units were made in China. And maybe made by same company? I did find a multi-use unit not made in China.
Matt at OG proved in his huge test most of the cheap ones are exactly the same and junk. The only good ones under the $200 Active ve56 are the Ryobi or Karcher.
@@Enthusiast_detailing I took some measurements on a single Ryobi this morning... 11.7 amps with a 2.5 orifice (1.25 GPM) and that bumped up to 13.7 amps with a MJJC Foam Cannon S v3 running a 0.9 orifice. Pretty safe numbers, but definitely will need to be on separate circuits when running twins.
Giraffe are junk. You pay $400+ and get a cheap pressure washer inside. When it breaks now you have to replace the whole machine. Better off to get the Ryobi and a hose reel. The Ryobi is a better machine and when it breaks you only replace the $100 machine and not everything.
Don’t talk shit on the CAT washer!!! I used that thing for over a year, it was great!!! Obviously kranzle was a nice upgrade but for $200, you can’t ask much more.
the pressures on the box are when you release the trigger, just a marketing bs from manufacturer, and also these cheaper washers are universal motors, wich are trash, everybody should get one with induction motors, just like pool pumps have, a lot better
in my opinion Bob you guys didn’t do anything wrong and it’s probably not your gauge, I bought several different gauges because of the same reason as you I wasn’t getting the rated pressure from the active 2.0 as what they say and thought it must be the gauge so I kept buying more expensive calibrated gauges only to find out that the cheap $20 Amazon one was just as accurate as my $200 expensive one lol. I have 96 to 100 psi at the Spicket and had pressure gauge right on the pump and the most I could get was 850-900 with their stock oriffice. I contacted actives Support and every question they asked me if I had tried this and that in the other I confirmed I had already done everything that they wanted me to troubleshoot the pressure just isn’t there and I am not the only one I found on other channels people have reported also not getting the pressure readings that they advertise so I sent mine back and ended up buying a Krenzle from OG that does give me the pressure rating that I’m supposed to have according to his videos. I think active’s ratings are misleading not intentionally probably I think their lab is probably set up differently or something to where they’re getting more psi than a lot of us but it was enough that I sent mine back and got a full refund.
I think from what I’ve learned here in the comments so far that the psi rating comes from what the pump can build to when it’s not running lol, I would think that the support people would have a simple answer to that I’m sure they hear it all the time
For whatever it’s worth, my Active 2.0 (new) tested using the four nozzles supplied with the machine (3.7) produced pressures that ranged from 900 psi to 925 psi. That is a pretty tight range. Cheap nozzles with the same drilling can produce pressures that vary by 100 psi or more. I used a cheap Amazon gauge located at the end of my 60ft. hose to test pressures. Then I tested again with a General 3.5 nozzle. I got 1100 psi. I have not checked any nozzles for flow rate yet. I also checked a variety of General nozzles all the way to 5.0. At that diameter, the pressure was 710 psi.
In Matt’s (OG) testing the Kranzle and the Active 2.0 do similar numbers when you use the right nozzle orifice size to give the desired 900-1000k psi. The stock numbers are meaningless since that’s not what Matt is after. You got the numbers Matt talks about in the videos because his solution is set up to deliver those numbers and not the max claimed numbers. All you had to do was get different nozzles for the Active to get it similar to the Kranzle. I think you went down the wrong and much more costly path of seeking the advertised max numbers.
@@seashackf1 no you’re wrong that’s not what I’m saying I know you can mess with orrifices to get your desired pressure and what I’m saying is with my active 2.0 and the nozzle they give you which is a 3.7 I believe it’s an oddball size and their own testing claims higher pressure than what it actually puts out in person with their orrifces of course I could put a smaller orifice in there and get higher pressure and then I’d also be drawing more amps on the machine and burn it up I used their recommended orifice that comes with the machine and didn’t get anywhere near what they claim the pressure should’ve been and so have many others all over the Internet and I get higher pressure with a 4.0 nozzle on my kranzle. And if you bothered to read my entire post I was on the phone with active support on camera FaceTime going through everything they recommended I do and it still would not produce the pressure that it was supposed to and they told me to send it back. And the OG video is flawed because in a later video he admitted he was getting pressures that he wasn’t supposed to after talking directly with active and he had a faulty gauge that was giving him wrong readings that were higher than they should’ve been so I know exactly what I’m talking about they claim 1200 psi and they do not put out 1200 psi with their orifice And under 15 A on a breaker sure anyone can jump to a smaller orifice and jump the pressure but you’re also gonna either blow a fuse or burn up the pump they’re intended to run on the 3.7 and put out 1200 psi and they don’t period not to mention changing orifices to raise the pressure you’re losing your GPM as well which defeats the whole purpose of using it for washing cars. My kranzle will do 2.1gpm at 1000 to 1100 psi with 4.0 orrifice at the nozzle the active wouldn’t even do that with my gauges at the pump. I’m not knocking it as a product it’s probably fine for a lot of people and it’s way cheaper then a kranzle but it’s also a throwaway that’s not rebuildable pretty sure I made the right decision mine will still be running years after everyone else’s actives are in the garbage can but that’s up to people to decide what they can afford and what they can’t and if an active 2.0 is where you land then that’s fine but for me that lives by the saying “buy once and cry once” you get what you pay for.
@@DaveofAllTrades75 I did read your whole post and that’s why it seemed like you were comparing apples and oranges. Seemed you were comparing stock Active numbers to Kranzle optimized to OG specs. With the further explanation seems you weren’t. You just mentioned a 15a circuit for the Active and then compare to a Kranzle. From what I’ve always heard Matt say you need a 20a for the Kranzle, it won’t work on a 15a. Are you running it on a 15a with the 4.0 orifce? The Kranzle is no doubt a great machine with the performance to back it up. Same with a Porsche as Matt likes to compare it to. The cost though is hard for many to justify. Not many people are cross shopping the Active 2.0 and the Kranzle for that reason. If you can justify it, great, enjoy. More power to you and you’ll no doubt get a lot of good use out of it. I get what you’re saying about the cry once, but I don’t think the Kranzle will ever pay for itself for someone who washes cars with it at home. You won’t be buying 4 or 5 Actives in the Kranzle’s lifetime. That lifetime for many won’t be anywhere near 20 years either. They won’t want a 5-10 year old machine when Matt is doing videos about the new latest and greatest. Which is what most people in this segment seem to want . Even if it’s still working great in 2-3 years the Active won’t owe you anything and you can upgrade when something better comes out and it will. I’m the opposite of that. I tend to keep my stuff a long time. Usually too long and it makes it harder to get rid of it because I’ve had it so long and it still works, just not as good as something new. That’s why I’m trying to get away from buying the really good, but $$$ and strike a good balance. The Kranzle isn’t about value, even long term. It’s about quality and experience, as Matt says. Since you were able to justify it and pulled the trigger, enjoy it for those reasons, not that it will pay off in the long run.
