Actual 7mm PRC Velocity Exposed! | Exciting 7mm PRC Velocity Test!

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In this video, I conduct a detailed investigation into some of the complaints I've received from listeners about Hornady's 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge falling well short of advertised velocities with Hornady Precision Hunter factory ammo.
As you'll learn, I discovered some very interesting things about this new hot rod cartridge. Some of those results I obtained in my testing were very frustrating, but I also found a couple of pleasant surprises about 7mm PRC ammo muzzle velocities too.
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@Thebiggamehuntingblog Месяц назад

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@denisleblanc4506 3 месяца назад

One thing that Hornady failed to mention in their response was that when they did all their testing for an alternate powder they actually knew the velocities were going to be less and failed to tell their customers. How much would it have cost them to add a little piece of paper with all the corrected velocities to every box? They would have appeared better in my estimation had they done it. Granted they would have sold less of their ammo and boosted Federal sales. Now they kind of look like swindlers and will have to reduce the price of their load if they want to sell it.

@phild9813 3 месяца назад

I’m with you. The problem occurs when companies lie to try to protect a reputation, then get caught, which hurts their reputation more. Same thing happened with Browning and the Duratouch stocks, and I’ll certainly never give them the benefit of the doubt again, at best.

@shanesimpson4124 3 месяца назад

100% this is how they dropped the ball and not knowing what lot numbers go together. Cant always get several boxers of the same lot number.

@johanneskolenbrander8288 3 месяца назад

Beside their claim of having been forced to use different powders: in addition there are also too many other variables to explain the differences in speed! As a veteran gunmaker, I can assure you this round is of sound, close to perfect design closely competing in my personal view to the king of all 7mm’s, the 7RSAUM! Beside bore length, type of rifling/twist-rate, the bores ID & condition, wether different ammo with full copper bullets has been shot through it previously and neglected to remove that copper deposit, ambient temperature, ect…, which all can effect velocity & accuracy! Blaming the actual caliber for not performing as advertised, like most mfg’ers on their boxes is just plain silly and not helpful at all! I guess, for those who bought the newer, slower lot in bulk and are old-school meathunters like me, its simply ‘no biggy’, but for those long range shooters, wether of the ‘wannabee’ game sniping or paper-punching crowd out there: you all got the proper info here right now, so you can adjust it accordingly and continue wounding & searching for your game or simply sue Hornady, who acts like its companies logo is: “Our companies profits trump customers loyalties”!

@Andrew-jm4tp 3 месяца назад

Exactly. I can understand propellant shortages, but I can't forgive the deception. I am sure that hunts were ruined by zero shifts.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@dankcincy 3 месяца назад

I don't think the situation could of been explained and demonstrated any better than that. Great job!!!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@johandewet2588 3 месяца назад

Thank you for confirming what everybody has been saying and experiencing about using hornady 7mm PRC. The fact is simple. Horady is willfully deceiving their customers and trying to keep people from buying 6.8 Western instead. If they can change the lot number on the sticker... the same sticker that has the velocity printed on it, then they can fire 5 shots per lot through a test barrel, take the average and print that number on the box instead. That will also help shooters to better work out their dope, and Hornady should immediately change their ballistics chart on their website. That's just straight up false advertising and misleading the public. Hornady shouldn't just be ashamed of themselves, but I wish they get sued over this. Utterly disgraceful!!!

@wcb5890 Месяц назад

They already fire Pressure and Velocity testing. Each and every lot in factory ammo is tested multiple times. What they should do is change their spec completely and add the new spec on the box and not use 2 different loads that equal different results. Different spec is a different product number all together. In general Factory posted velocities are the average specification for that round so lets say 3000fps. In reality there is an allowable variance say +/- 50fps. So an individual lot could test out at 2950fps up to 3050fps on a 10 shot average. Remember those are averages....so you can have rounds higher or lower than the average. So there is normally a second internal specification of a no more than a 40 or 50 fps variance in that average. You can't post lot variations as this would bring more questions than answers. You have to have an advertised velocity not just...hey this lot tests at X velocity today and 200fps tomorrow. The consumer should have an idea on and average.

@RMM--uv7uk 3 месяца назад

I got the same exact response from Hornady word for word. And they are using a very similar response on their comment section of their YT channel. They need to just change the velocity on the box so shooters are just aware. Then get things back up when they get new powder. Honestly is always the best.

@countrykang8 3 месяца назад

This video helped me understand why I am seeing 2788 fps out of my 22" Bergara with the factory 175 ELDX. It seems like powder unavailability is still adversely impacting the ammo industry. Now, I'm not as mad at Hornady. However, I wish they would update the advertised velocities on the box. It looks like Hornady was originally using Reloder 26 and switched to Ramshot Magnum or StaBall HD.

@Mr.Run-n-Gun 3 месяца назад

This is what happens to companies who care more about profits than their customers.

@cabochris100 3 месяца назад

Good job! Only, I purchased 200 rounds slow lot ammo. I feel deceived! Hornady should offer to do a buy-back!😮

@KB-ld6ql Месяц назад

Good luck there. They're using your money to advertise more bs.

@ANW-cl7bw 3 месяца назад

Great video! Getting 3005 FPS out of my CVA Cascade XT 7 PRC with 24 inch barrell with the Federal Premium ELD-X and 3050 with the Terminal Ascent

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Good stuff! Glad to hear you're seeing similar trends with Federal ammo!

@TheTroutman85 3 месяца назад

I’m getting 2950 on average with the CX ammo.

@DanielMartinez0394 3 месяца назад

Yeap. I have a browning xbolt 24” barrel. I got 2955 avg velocity with the federal premium. I got the average based on 20 shots. More than happy with it. Hornady came in almost 120fps slower and didnt group as good for both their elds.

@DanielMartinez0394 3 месяца назад

@@TheTroutman85how are the groups? I got about the same with the cx but absolutely the worst grouping ammo ive ever shot

@AP-qf9ng 3 месяца назад

Excellent analysis! I also appreciate Hornaday being honest about having to use a different powder but I would think they would adjust the FPS on the label since they are already printing the lot numbers.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Right on

@JV-lq3tx 3 месяца назад

Currently it's just false advertising.

@user-TJ365 3 месяца назад

Velocities are printed on the stickers before the lot numbers. My guess is they had a bunch of labels already made or they decided it was best to advertise their ideal velocities with the original recipe.

@phild9813 3 месяца назад

They only had to be honest once they got caught. They obviously wanted to try to get away with it. They make good products but they shouldn’t be lying to protect their reputation, this only made it worse.

@AP-qf9ng 3 месяца назад

@user-TJ365 I was wondering if the velocity information was a separate printing from lot numbers. However when looking at several different boxes of Hornaday ammo I have of various caliber they all appear to have the lot number printed at the same time the ballistics data was printed. All using the same font with the exception 22-250 uses smaller lettering than 270 or 300 wm due to a slightly narrower label to fit the smaller boxes.

@kellym3531 3 месяца назад

Shame on Hornady. Change the sticker per lot no. Better yet, keep the velocities closer.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

That would definitely be a better way of doing things for the end user!

@J_Un1t 3 месяца назад

It would be nice if companies did that, but it’s not a hornady specific thing. The entire industry would need to change to lot or powder based velocity reporting and while I think it would be awesome, I also think it has some logistical hurdles we probably aren’t thinking about

@ValcoBayrunner 3 месяца назад

I bought some of that CRAP Hornady ammo for my 300 RUM before covid. It had 75 fps difference between shot strings. I reload, but Nosler Trophy Grade and Federal were way better than Hornady. HSM loads Bergers, but haven't tried it. Barnes usually are hot loads.

@eaznutts5714 3 месяца назад

My 7prc with a 24" barrel was getting 2825fps with Hornady eldx.... Pretty disappointing. Hornady is promising a lot and delivering a little.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

See if you get better results with the Federal ammo...

@jazon9 3 месяца назад

Pathetic. It is like .280/.280 AI

@beavismagnum 3 месяца назад

@@jazon9it essentially is a short mag in a long action, so it will never be a speedster

@KB-ld6ql 2 месяца назад

Hornady has been pulling this for a long time. I was never able to produce ballistics with either my 7mm Rem Model 70 or my 7mm Rem A Bolt that matched the box sticker. My friends included. Not sure what you call this bs legally.

@steverutkowski8141 3 месяца назад

Three thoughts here. First - Shame on Hornady. Change the box spec. Second - Gotta love the Garmin. I bet Hornady has taken them off their Christmas card list. Third - Go Federal!!!!

@offroadsoda 3 месяца назад

100%. Losing faith in Hornady - which aligns with my struggle to get their bullets to dial in as well as I have been able to with others.

@phild9813 3 месяца назад

Good comment. This behavior is inexcusable. They shouldn’t be selling this ammo if they’re going to lie about velocities on the box.

@kerryfalls3292 3 месяца назад

Hornady knew velocities would change with different powder, every hand loader knows this too, but kept silent about it! We should all buy Our ammunition from other companies which will certainly be reflected in their bottom line!!! It’s a shame people think they can “get away “ with this type of behavior!?!?!

@JamesClark-lw6sw 3 месяца назад

The clieless manbun wearing soy-latte swilling WHINNERS b*tching about 7MM PRC velocites OBVIOUSLY KNOW LITTLE about the history of rifle cartridge production during last 10O years. The fact is- VERY FEW factory loads EVER come within 100 FPS of their claimed velocities in factory rifles. LEARN TO DEAL WITH REALITY, CHILDREN.

@justsnuggle 2 месяца назад

Sorry man for $60 or more a box, they need to take the time to update the data on the box. Not everyone has chronograph

@thehardieway 3 месяца назад

Well done on your follow up and investigation work. Very thorough. That definitely answered some questions. Nicely done.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for your feedback!

@user-se8ds5ev5k 3 месяца назад

My handloaded ammo for my 7mm Remington magnum is up to the published velocities and an extreme spread of 7 fps for 3 rounds, and is extremely accurate.

@userJohnSmith 3 месяца назад

Love to see what you could do with a cartridges with some of the modern advantages.

@quarterminutemagnums 3 месяца назад

I tell people all the time "the 7mm Rem. Mag. is a better cartridge" but nobody listens !

@garytacia7551 17 часов назад

I found I was getting lower speeds with the 6.5PRC 147gr and was getting ejector marks. Pulled the bullet and found 59.5gr of same ball powder you have there. I believe it is Winchester Staball HD which matches max load in Hornady reload manual. I get much better results hand loading with H4931 and N560 powders. I can get higher FPS without pressure signs and with better accuracy. This situation really highlights the advantage of reloading. At least when shooting at extended ranges.

@Bunduki 3 месяца назад

Really appreciate your thorough testing & methodical " Post Mortem "of the various lots of ammunition, particularly when considering new to "run in " barrel velocities. Well conducted John.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@jackbolen5001 3 месяца назад

What a great in depth video. The time and money to do this had to be massive. Thank you.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@MrHuntermikey 3 месяца назад

Thank you for your testing. Excellent presentation as usual

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@edstettin6799 3 месяца назад

Very nice video. I enjoyed that. I have seen the same with 65 PRC and 300 PRC. It’s the reason I started to reload myself. Now I’m back at the advertised ofvelocities.

@RockinRack 2 месяца назад

My 300prc was about right I think it was like 2860 from a 26" vs their advertised 2810 from a 24" but I did buy another stack I'll have to recheck velocity and lot numbers

@kpat9906 3 месяца назад

Good job testing the various ammo. You seem to have taken a lot of variables into account. Keep up the good work.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@davidfornkahl8374 3 месяца назад

Great video as always! You are one of the great ones.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@rwj6213 3 месяца назад

What a great video this was. Thanks for doing the homework for some of us that don't have the equipment that you do 👍

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Thanks! Happy to help!

@guardianminifarm8005 3 месяца назад

Well done. Appreciate the digging, diligence and discovery. I am staying with my 7mm Rem Mags. But if I were starting out fresh I would likely give the 7 PRC serious consideration. Thank you.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

I don't blame you for wanting to stay with the 7mm Rem Mag. I probably wouldn't have made the switch either if I had a 7 Mag I really liked when the 7mm PRC came out.

@kbowen2251 3 месяца назад

This is a great breakdown of what's going on! Thank you for making the video

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Happy to do it. Glad you enjoyed this video!

@kbowen2251 3 месяца назад

@@Thebiggamehuntingblog would it be worth doing a test to see how accurate box numbers for other cartridges are sometime?

@clintboggess6728 3 месяца назад

I shoot a 24” barrel on my PRC. I found that everything this guy said I found to be true. I have not shot the newer Hornady Precision because I reload. I had the 50 FPS speed up at roughly 175 rounds through it.

@heythere6566 3 месяца назад

Great information, thank you!!!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Glad it was helpful!

@eddicks515 2 месяца назад

Hornady should advertise a list of lot numbers that have been mucked with.

@bobmcmillen4502 3 месяца назад

At least Hornady is finally fessing up. I trolled them on a couple video’s and they just completely blamed it on my gun

@ChiquitaSpeaks 19 дней назад

Oof

@barrygenta9729 Месяц назад

When I bought my 7prc, not much brass was available, so I abought factory load's mainly for the brass and concentrated on accuracy, not speed. Now that I am reloading, I am getting 2906 fps with 180 gr, eld match., out of a 22 inch barrel. Bergara squared crest. Brass is now pretty easy to find.

@thepracticalrifleman 3 месяца назад

Gee, if a guy bought a box of ammo, doped his rifle, then picked up a new box to hunt, it could result in something terrible happening at longer ranges.

@toddbowles8201 3 месяца назад

Thank you. This was informative

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Glad it was helpful!

@annexpaint 2 месяца назад

Great reporting, thanks

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 2 месяца назад

Much appreciated!

@karlhindle5215 3 месяца назад

Great video……nice to see a video that’s not one sided

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Gaffneydaniel92 3 месяца назад

Good video. There’s a couple guys on here who just hate Hornady and make it their life to find every fault in them. Trying to debunk rhe 7prc. It’s not a cartridge problem, or design flaw…it’s the ammo. Just because lots of ammo aren’t performing as advertised doesn’t make the cartridge a failure.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Thanks. I agree with your assessment of some of the other commenters here. I think this is a temporary issue that Hornady will eventually sort out.

@danialkhazaeli5103 3 месяца назад

Also I noticed that they use different type of primer. I have silver color primer in older box and gold color primer in newer box!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

100%. I didn't mention it in this video, but 2 of the Hornady lots had silver primers and the other 2 had gold primers. Not sure what primer those were, but they darn sure were different!

@eddielombera5862 3 месяца назад

Another reason why I’m glad I switched to hand loading.

@clcmarc 3 месяца назад

Great video. My 6.5 PRC w 143 Hornady ELD-X is hitting box velo and every cartridge I have tried Federal Terminal Ascent in leads all other factory rounds in getting very close to box advertised.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Similar deal with my 6.5 PRC. I think I'm getting 20fps slower than advertised, but still pretty darn close. Hornady is usually pretty good about delivering on promised velocities, which is what makes this episode so strange and frustrating.

@clcmarc 3 месяца назад

@@Thebiggamehuntingblog lots of talk on social media about the less than expected velos but loved your deep dive into possible reasons. One of Hornady’s podcasts discussed how their powder manufacturer can tailor a specific powder to their cartridge and bullet. If they are unable to meet demand with that particular powder perhaps other options have to be explored.

@jameswilson5562 3 месяца назад

I'm getting 2760 out of my 6.5 with Hornady and 28s with norma bondstrike

@rosshill2565 3 месяца назад

@@jameswilson5562how new is your barrel. Now I do not have any left. But 6 months ago my ELDX factory load and my Bondstrike both shot slow with my 20 inch barrel (2775 range) at about 100-120 rounds it jumped to 2854 with ELDX and 2836 with Norma bondstrike. As I stated these velocities are out of 20 inch barrel. Now my reloads (and not over book max charge) give me 2944 with RL 26, 2925 with N565, and 2880 with H1000. All loads shoot very good.

@garrickr5084 3 месяца назад

Very interesting video. Separately, you need a can, my friend. I felt the concussion from your muzzle brake through my phone 😂.

@g24thinf 3 месяца назад

I remember awhile back, people were saying the Hornady dangerous game ammo was slower than listed on the box

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

That wouldn't surprise me. For what it's worth though, I was getting velocities very close to advertised from Hornady Dangerous Game ammo in my 458 Win Mag last time I shot it extensively in 2023.

@mcsmedcastspecialists1285 3 месяца назад

Great video. You remind me of Paul Harrell, very thorough!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

That's high praise, thanks!

@pgeduardo 3 месяца назад

Hornady needs to step up and issue a recall. They really burned a lot of us loyal customers with this one.

@mikeegan99 2 месяца назад

Great job John. The podcast is great and so are the videos. I encourage you to do more videos, time permitting. Hornady is a great company and has delivered great products to hunters and shooters. I am hopeful they will they rectify this situation when they can.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 2 месяца назад

Thanks, will do!

@bentaylor216 3 месяца назад

Excellent analysis.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@wcb5890 Месяц назад

Their answer is complete B.S. Yes, alternate powders can cause changes...and yes, different firearms will shoot at different velocities. However, a correct length barrel consistent with the Saami test barrel should not see a 175fps loss. Even more out of the same firearm it should not vary that much. Kind of funny how another company loading the same projectile gets basically posted velocity (within allowable variances). If Hornaday is a 600lb Gorilla...Federal is a 3million pond Gorilla. There is no comparison. Federal makes more 9mm than Hornady make among all their offerings. Also, most factory ammo companies have primary and secondary (maybe even a 3rd) powder that should meet the same specifications.

@seanwillis1822 3 месяца назад

Found you thru the Horizon podcast. Look forward to following you here. I prefer the RU-vid format. Listened to episode 312 thru the website blog first.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Welcome aboard! And thanks for the feedback!

@seanwillis1822 3 месяца назад

Surprised when I heard you were in Lufkin. I’m from Huntington so we probably know some of the same people. Small world.

@Spin-Drift-Ballistics 3 месяца назад

Great video, well done 😊

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@jamiedul2 3 месяца назад

I’m bang on with your velocities out of the the last 3 boxes with a 22” tube

@matthewnewbold1396 3 месяца назад

I really enjoyed that video! I am shooting current production 175ELDX through a Bergara Premier MGLITE with a 22” carbon bbl. Average velocity is 2833 and the accuracy is .6-.7 MOA.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Glad to hear you're also getting excellent accuracy out of the Precision Hunter ammo!

@TomasHunting 3 месяца назад

Great video with a lot of explanation. I am just waiting for the documentation for a 7prc barrel for my Blaser R8. It is 27” long and I will shoot 195gr Berger EOLs… Hopefully I can get 2900fps easily 😅

@masone4589 3 месяца назад

This actually helps me out a lot. I’ve been kinda down in the dumps about my rifle and was regretting my 7 PRC decision. Nice to see Federal is achieving the velocities and Hornady might be fixing their problem (hopefully soon)

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 3 месяца назад

Another commenter mentioned it, but Hornady is kinda handicapped with Hornady brass because it’s consistently not as strong as other brass. Federal brass is pretty good, so that could be one reason why they can hit those velocities.

@dankcincy 3 месяца назад

Absolutely nothing to regret. It really is a great cartridge. In the context of cartridges...you're an early adopter and like with anything else, there are bound to be issues at first. Powder availability will improve and more more manufacturers will start producing ammo.

@tonysambar 18 дней назад

Correcting for barrel length even the slowest load was within 100fps of claimed velocity which is not worth worrying about and pretty typical of any factory ammo.

@beavismagnum 3 месяца назад

I’m surprised they haven’t changed any of their marketing or box labels since they’re selling a completely different product now.

@beavismagnum 3 месяца назад

Pretty concerning that they’re intentionally misleading consumers

@randallnix452 3 месяца назад

Good video. Honestly hornady should change the specs on the box to the true fps. Anyone shooting long range will reload regardless. Consistency is key to accuracy. I also weigh my bullets because I find different weights with every type I’ve used. And that plays a big part of consistency at long range. Haters gonna hate. Shooters gonna shoot. Thanks for getting the info out.

@mikeelium3044 3 месяца назад

? Finally explained in detail thanks. Thanks

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@copgeter007 3 месяца назад

Great video!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@donmorgan1751 2 месяца назад

I talked to Hornady. No longer can get reloader 26 powder. They know they are short on the fps. Too much work reprinting boxes, flyers.the first rounds were faster more to advertised. But gun makers were short chambering causing primer buldging. When the war efforts are over they will be back to advertised. The phone call was last month. Also they used a 26" barrel. What im getting with my 24 inch ison par with my 165 grain 30-06. Not happy. Bought some federal terminal accent. Havent shot it yet. Great video man, job well done.

@KB-ld6ql Месяц назад

It's just a label. Truth hurts.

@bekkerbosbeer3453 3 месяца назад

Thanks Kevin appreciate your efforts for getting to the Truth!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

My pleasure!

@RookCustoms Месяц назад

Terminal Accent bullet performance is amazing.... I reload both 155 n 170. There isn't a bullet I would take over it's terminal performance. Hands down beautiful hunting bullet.

@cristianbradeanu2016 3 месяца назад

thank you boss . God bless you !!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Thank you too!

@MrTacklebury 3 месяца назад

Not all lots of powder perform the same either. I've been through about 5 pounds of Reloader7 and each lot has varied by 50-150 fps. Always recheck loads when jumping into a new can. Some loaders even re-do their ladder tests and re-check pressures also. I have seen a .270 that blew apart using the same exact load and carefully loaded by a good, experienced loader, but he just ran with his normal load. One way to be safer is to always drop about 100 fps and you can maintain a safe margin and if you don't need every ounce of horsepower, it really isn't missed. ;) This is more significant in high pressure bottle neck cartridges rather than straight walled 45-70 loads in my finding. There are rumors that it's the missing H4831SC that they used originally or something. ;)

@slick99rooster 3 месяца назад

When the 300 PRC came out they were using RL 26. Looking at the faster powder it looks a lot like RL powder. Hornady s data for the 7 PRC shows 66 gr pushing 2950 fps . I found that RL 26 and IMR 7977 burn almost identical.

@thebleeb1681 3 месяца назад

Did you weigh the powders in each lot? It would help to know by referring the factory charge weight to Hornady's published load data for the various powders. The two ball powder lots are most likely Winchester Staball HD. I dumped a load from one lot which averaged 2875fps out of my 22" Proof barrel, and the stick powder charge weighed 67.5gr.

@kevincollett1537 3 месяца назад

I noticed a huge difference in accuracy with my .308 precision hunter. Really old lots shot really tight groups and new lots shot terrible groups. I suspected they used a different powder due to shortages, and this video pretty much confirms my suspicion. I didn't chrono them, but i think the recepie was different enough and doesn't shoot well out of my gun anymore 😞

@Coachg77 Месяц назад

This was so thorough, really appreciate it. Very very informative. I made the choice of buying a rifle with 7PRC over 300 WIN MAG because of the ballistics. Still happy with my choice.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog Месяц назад

Glad to help!

@jonathanfields4991 3 месяца назад

Well done!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@derekmcmurry 3 месяца назад

I saw the same in all of my 7PRCs. But my Brux barrel is 25” and I ahot 6 different lot numbers of Hornady ELDX ammo and NONE reached over 2850 fps. I did get up to 2965 with the federal ELDX. My Benchmark barrel is 24” and I got about 20fps slower velocity on avg. my proof barrel was the same My dad said he saw on the news that a major ammo manufacturer has sold to an overseas company. We stopped at a gun store yesterday and they said Federal has sold to a Czech company. I do handload and I’m still working on the 180 Berger VLD and did get over 3000 fps

@craigparker4108 3 месяца назад

Vista Outdoor, parent company of 41 renowned brands that design, manufacture and market sporting and outdoor products to consumers around the globe, announced a definitive agreement to sell its Sporting Products business to Czechoslovak Group (CSG) on Oct. 1. The value of the all-cash transaction is $1.91 billion and includes ownership transfer of some of the industry’s biggest names in ammunition, including Federal, CCI, Remington Ammo, Speer and Hevi-Shot.

@tw9676 2 месяца назад

I saw the same issues with factory 300PRC from hornady out of my rifles last year in 2023. Slower velocity higher SD's and worse groupings

@8MM.PRC.HUNTER 3 месяца назад

I first want to say thanks for the effort and expense you gave putting this together. Some have speculated that the powder in question is RL 26 that Hornady originally used for the 7PRC. That is perhaps the hardest powder to find IME. I loaded 100 rds of 7SAUM with 160 gr. Nosler bullets using RL 26 for a friend last year. When I first shot that ammo it was warmer outside and the loads were reaching 3000 fps and were very accurate with a low sd/es. I shot that same ammo from the same gun when it was a bit cooler and it was a full 100 fps slower. Still very accurate with a low sd/es but 100 fps slower. It's normal for loads to shoot slower in cooler weather but this was maybe 30-40 degrees cooler than the first shooting session. I decided it wasn't worth it to use RL 26 and get that big of a temp swing. If I had shot that ammo any where near freezing temps it would have been in the 2800 fps range.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Jeez, that is a big swing indeed! Thanks for the feedback!

@SeanJonesDPT 3 месяца назад

Yep. And this is why most people who shoot long range opt out of reloader 26. It’ll give you great speeds. (Over 3100 from a 7mm RM and 175 elite hunters) easily. But when the temp drops so does your speeds. Also seems to have a higher es when temps drop. H1000 is way more consistent. To me this is a drawback to the PRC as I’ve seen it so far. I want to be able to hit 3k with consistent temp stable powders. Not just the double base fast stuff that don’t work as well across the spectrum.

@tcw95NZ 2 месяца назад

From my experiments hornadys 4DOF calculator is very good at estimating the change in MV at different temperatures, it has lots of different powders loaded but you can also customise it if you have some data

@Backin_Theday 3 месяца назад

When Hornady first released the 7 PRC they using RL26 powder which is not available now. They changed powder and did not upgrade their labeling.

@blackcopperadventures1983 3 месяца назад

I have a fierce ct rage 7 prc with 20” barrel and I’m at 2760, seems “low” but it sure shoots not way out there with the wind not even affecting it much

@elj4673 3 месяца назад

My friend and I had the same problem with Hornady 6.5 PRC precision hunter ammo. Old lot matched up with advertised velocity new lot was over 100 fps slower! The best answer is reload!!!

@RFM-CDA 2 месяца назад

Thanks for a really well done video. Would be nice if Hornady let customers know, but that hurts sales. Imo American hunters are too concerned with peak velocities. Some of these new cartridges shoot pretty flat to distances most people have no business shooting at game. I grew up with and now hunt with a 30-06 and couldn't be happier with results. Whatever cartridge anyone husts with, happy hunting.

@randydoan-vx7co 3 месяца назад

Great video, im having the same issues with same ammo in 300 prc. Velocity is not even close to whats advertised. I have also emailed them and got pretty much the same b.s answers. Im seeing more and more of these videos now. Something needs to happen about this false advertising, such b.s

@Arc-nl7vc 3 месяца назад

The Federal 175 ELD-X avg. 3020 fps out my 26 inch 7 PRC. It's accurate out to 850 yards so far. I'm going test it at a mile hopefully sometime this month

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Awesome, glad to hear you're getting good results with the federal ammo!

@AWalk06TJ 3 месяца назад

I can confirm similiar results, same rifle but with brake and ~150rnds fired, when i finally got a chrono the eldm’s measured 2910-2930, just two days ago I shot with a Nomad L and measured 2784-2829, eldx measured 2816-2847, and cx measured 2961-3001. The eldm and eldx ive had for about 9 months bought them all at once. Cx purchased 3 days ago. Im gona stock up on the cx’s and test every box.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

How do those CX bullets shoot for you? I had good results on game with them last year and accuracy was good, but not as good as the ELD-X

@AWalk06TJ 3 месяца назад

On completely clean barrel my first group was 1.83moa diagnal spread at100yds, then shots 4-6 where .78moa at 212yds poi=poa, then shot 3 eldx(had 1.82moa shift of poi to 4oclock) and 3eldm(shot way low), came back to cx and shot a .61moa group .1 mil low, and then shot another group first shot went 1moa low left, the next 2 shot .1mil low and .2mil left .16moa apart. I felt like i rushed the trigger on the first shot, so i do believe that was all me.

@rodneybumgarner5514 3 месяца назад

I have 2 boxes of PH 175 and 180 match with 2860 in the 175 and 2800 with the 180. My hand loads are 2930 with a weatherby 307 range xp 22" barrel.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Looks like you're getting pretty good velocities with those hand loads! You running ELD-X bullets with them?

@jaymiller393 3 месяца назад

Nickle brass is known to get more speed out of same loads… also looks like short cut powder whether H4831sc or IMR-7828ssc… Also load development begins after 200rnds lol

@tomforeman4976 3 месяца назад

Took a 7mm ruger m77 rebarreld to a 7prc with krikern target master in 27 inch first shot to 300th was 50 fps faster than box specks and a tack driver.

@Anthanos89 2 месяца назад

Why I load.. I know exactly what I'm shooting. Great vid!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 2 месяца назад

Thanks!

@Stonewallx39 3 месяца назад

I’m pretty sure the velocity/drop information on the hornady boxes are stickers… they should 100% update those numbers if that’s what is expected.

@theprfesssor 3 месяца назад

Yeah when i started seeing this ussue it definitely seemed something was wrong with the ammo as every rifle from any brand was not getting box velocities even with real long barrels 28"+ Good knews is its a powder issue and thay can be fixed and other ammo makers are now making 7PRC and meet box spec, I do think Hornady should put a thing in the box or a public statement that the velocities are not accurate do to materials shortages right now

@diggernash1 3 месяца назад

They are having trouble sourcing Reloder 26...or a similar powder is my guess.

@invalidusername4732 Месяц назад

I’d imagine Hornady uses a much slower burning powder or they reduce the power for hunting ammo because of the current trend towards lightweight hunting rifles and didn’t want to bruise shoulders.

@jonathanroepcke4915 3 месяца назад

Awesome. Did you happen to get the grains of the powders between the different lots? This should also encourage everyone to start handloading. @backfire

@sinistersilverado965 3 месяца назад

Great test, wish you had weighed the powder charges

@brianreynolds1574 3 месяца назад

Did you happen to weigh the powder charge of each one? I am curious to see what they weigh. I am getting 2930 fps with a 180 ELDM out of my 22" barrel. Im loading it with 68.9 grains of H1000.

@scottscheuerman8714 3 месяца назад

Seems like if they keep changing the powder you would have to be sighting in your rifle every time you get a box of ammunition I am actually getting velocity from my 280ai with my hand loads of 2932 fps with 154 grain sst in my rifle I built it isn’t broken in yet

@ronaldroehrick4872 3 месяца назад

Much ado about nothing no big game animal will know the difference. I really like your page and info keep up the great work.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

I think you're correct on that point most of the time. This is a frustrating problem, but not the end of the world. That extra velocity can certainly help at times, but it's also something most people won't miss.

@AlienMetals 2 месяца назад

@ronaldroehrick4872 That may be true if the Hunter generates drop tables with the correct velocity. If they plug in the mfg listed velocity and take a long shot an an animal they could easily end up with a gut shot or miss.

@justsnuggle 2 месяца назад

Yes shame on Hornady, put a asterisks on the muzzle velocity, right down what the actual test velocity is with that powder and then get the right powder when you can

@Muschka01 3 месяца назад

They should put what powder they use on the box. I have just received my Tika action back with a heavy 30" barrel with a 1:7 twist. will be testing Berger 190 gr down to 160 gr. Starting with H1000 and H4831. Wish I could afford a garman chrono as I have to use the beaten-up chrono from the range. Great analysis mate!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@Tofazfou 3 месяца назад

H1000 and RETUMBO rock in 7mm PRC. H4831 is good but a tad bit fast for HEAVY bullets. I also have a Tikka T3X actioned Custom Build. Good look and be safe

@Muschka01 3 месяца назад

@@Tofazfou thanks for the info, will source retumbo.

@jackshoffstall7677 3 месяца назад

I heard on another channel the original powder was RL26 and they are having a challenge procuring it.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

I've heard similar things...

@trevorkolmatycki4042 3 месяца назад

Up here in Northern Alberta, Alliant Powders have been unavailable for a very long time since well before covid. We have given up on Alliant. Right now in 2024, availability of Hodgdon powders is quite good, Vihtavuori powder availability is recovering, Alliant is still unobtanium.

@rosshill2565 3 месяца назад

@trevorkolmatycki4042 yeah I have a load for RL 26 in my 6.5 PRC. Problem is I have about 1/4 pound left. I have a H1000 load and it is accurate but 60-70 fps slower. I just recently bought Vihtavuori N565. That powder will get within 20 or so fps of RL 26. Now N565 I have 2 3/4 pounds of it. So I probably will never go back to RL 26. It is almost impossible to get and N565 is very close to it.

@TomL3grandsons 3 месяца назад

I heard the same thing

@justincredible7168 3 месяца назад

I have a 26" barrel and my velocities were way short of claimed (100 fps if I recall correctly).

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Jeez, that's frustrating! What factory loads were you using? Or were you using hand loads?

@davecollins6113 3 месяца назад

One of the primary reasons I reload is very well illustrated in this vid, and all users of any factory ammo need to understand ---it can happen with any mfgr, any cartridge. Had a number of boxes of ammo that would not shoot anywhere near what was advertised.

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

100%!

@Tofazfou 3 месяца назад

Answering your question at the end. With the factory 180 gr ELDm, i got 2880-2885 FPS consistently for the entire box. With the Factory 175 gr Hunters, i got roughly 2946 FPS. ALL THIS FROM A 26" barrel. Im a reloader but, I just wanted to try the factory stuff. NEVER AGAIN! Too expensive!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Jeez, that's frustrating!

@Rushshooting67913 3 месяца назад

Rumor is they were using reloader 26. Which if you’re a reloader you know it’s impossible to get. N560-n565 matches it very well

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

How does N560-n565 do in terms of temperature sensitivity?

@spikestern3237 2 месяца назад

Norma MRP powder I get good velocities in my 7mm Rem Mag. They are similar to VV gunpowder. Then Norma 204 but it is a bit faster and reduces velocity in larger Magnum Calibers. I only load with Norma and VV powder as well as Rhino which has a powder that is 3% faster in burn time than Norma MRP. I was lucky to find the Rhino Gunpowder on a very good offer. So I bunkered up a few kilos of that. The VV powder I load with which I got very good precision with copper the bullet Lapua Naturalis it is a little more slow burning than the Norma MRP. Think it's VV 570 or VV560. Long since I loaded with it, loaded 100 hunting shots and they last a long time. I got a little more speed there with it in my 300 Win Mag than with the Norma MRP. I get really good speed and effect on animals in my 7mm strap mag with MRP and Swift Scirocco 2 bullet in 150 grain. It works very well on Deer, Boar and Moose that I have shot with that bullet and caliber. I also have Hornade Interbond 154 Grain to test there. Interbond 165 grain in 308 win is a very good combo gives good effect nice mushrooms when you find the bullet in the animals. My friend uses that bullet in that caliber and he hunts a lot. I advised him to switch to Interbond 165 grain from the Nosler Accubond he was using. He was very happy with the change. I have a few hundred bullets left to handload into my 7mm strap mag with the Swift Scirooco 2 bullet before I change bullets. I get good precision with that bullet also at 100 meters, just under 30 millimeters, it is suitable for hunting. I don't know how available Norma powder is in the US? I recommend their MRP as it is good as well as their 204 powder for slightly smaller magnum calibres.

@joejas22 3 месяца назад

Sir, I was not a fan of your talk videos. Most of the topics were just boring. Well, this is one of the best and most informative videos I’ve seen. It was entertaining and educational backed with forensics techniques that are undeniable. This video, for me, showcases your knowledge and passion for performance of sporting equipment. I am a big fan and want to say “Thank You” for taking the time and spending the money to be completely thorough. TY!

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

I appreciate the feedback. The "talk videos" you refer to are basically just repurposed podcast episodes I previously recorded audio only, then added some photos and charts to. Glad you enjoyed this video! Maybe I'll have to put out some more content along these lines in the future!

@alfredsturdivnat9267 3 месяца назад

John, I own both the 7mm prc and the 6.8 western. The 6.8 western is my favorite for the type hunting I do--whitetail deer. I notice on the forums and even on your BGHB, that the 7mm prc is favored over the 6.8 western by the overwhelming majority of hunters. This is usually based on the performance of the 2 cartridges, with the 7mm prc claiming a slight edge in muzzle velocity. Are Browning and Winchester having this same issue with the dearth of high-performing powder? I ask this question because, based on my understanding of the ballistic performance of the 2 cartridges, the 6.8 western's performance should now match that of the 7mm prc. That is, if the 6.8 western ammunition has not changed due to availability issues. Great video as always. The information is presented in clear and concise manner. Thanks

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

Thanks for your comment. To answer your question, I've given a slight edge to the 7 PRC over the 6.8 Western due to a couple of factors: slight increase in bore size and bullet weight along with a little bit better external ballistics due to the advantages of the 7mm PRC with muzzle velocity and a higher BC bullet. Slower 7mm PRC ammo does indeed narrow the gap between the two rounds in terms of external ballistics or even flip it in favor of the 6.8 Western (depending on how slow the 7 PRC ammo is). And to your point, the 6.8 Western seems to deliver on advertised velocities with more readily available powders right now and doesn't seem to have the same handicap as the 7mm PRC at this instant. The 6.8 Western also has small but undeniable advantages in recoil and the fact that it's a true short action cartridge. The biggest problem with the 6.8 Western at this instant is ammo availability and variety. Same with rifles. But both seem to be improving.The difference between them was never all that big to begin with and both were always fantastic rounds. Even in light of the problems with the 7mm PRC, I still prefer that round over the 6.8 Western, but I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing the 6.8.

@Rushshooting67913 3 месяца назад

They also supposedly went to Winchester StaBall hd. Which gives me about 100-150fps less in all my rifles

@Thebiggamehuntingblog 3 месяца назад

I've heard similar rumors about powder...

@Swampytheroot 2 месяца назад

Manufacturers really should update data PER LOT. Rifle or pistol, doesn't matter. Give the actual data that this lot of ammunition produces. Not so critical for 300 yards with most rifles. Absolutely critical for distance work with a rifle and expansion performance with most handgun self defense rounds which have a tighter window between non-expansion and coming apart. Nice presentation