Yeah i mean even if they literally took diamonds right of out solo Q and hired them in pro play it still wouldn't explain it. Some of these plays are only possible if you completely ignore comms (as well as sucking/throwing ofc) which is a massive red flag
@@lueroifan12 not really but it is easier to grief than to actually win so let's say they bet on themselves like 200,000 dollars or something (disregarding the tournament prize) it is actually easier to bet on yourself to lose rather than bet on your team to win coz it's basically 4v6 (or 3v7 in this case), but they unironically won.. what a clown!
As a polish person I feel ashamed, disgusted and backstabbed at the same time. I saw this game live and that was the biggest embarassment I have witnessed for all my years watching Ultraliga. Such an obvious wintrade. Not a bad play, not unlucky situation, not mechanical outplay by the enemies. Those two were clearly trying to lose and drag their team down with them. Thank you for putting this situation to the light for everyone to see.
If I were a teammate, I'd tell my boss, to bench them or he could search for a new toplaner. This is probably the most unsportsmanlike behavior there is. And it's very unfair for their teammates.
In case you're feeling ashamed of the polish, don't feel bad since the wintraders are Chinese imports (and are the only Chinese in that team in fact.) lmao
If its in pro play its not even wintrading, its matchfixing, wich makes it even worse. I just realized they could be betting against themselves or even betting on game length, and they were inting to try to stall the game. This said, you should post a video about Targamas aswell, theres some sussy behaviors happening with his mouse.
Odds are they were betting against themselves since on betting sites suddenly an hour before the game a bunch of bets went through against their team, even though before that the rates were like 3 to 1 on them winning.
There is almost no information about these 2 players anywhere as well. They just joined this team as their first, it was their 3rd game and apparently both of them were playing from the bootcamp in Serbia. The whole situation is weird af
@@ralfjadevincegundran6229 Not all pro games are played live, especially in the lower divisions. Money ain't there for that, they will usually be in the same region for ping purposes but no way they're flying around the whole D level squad for every series.
@@rasic7041 Serbia is just a common place to put imports at first for ERL teams, since it's much cheaper. Also, people from the industry, at least from Superliga, say that there are some shenanigans going on, like 20 players living in the same house, and I guess Serbia is not as strict with those things (tbh it has nothing to do with Serbia itself, since it's the teams that put them in those ratholes).
NNNaaaaaaaahhhhhhh if im that top or adc im breaking their noses bruh aint no way they tried hiding that shit in the most obvious way. I've seen inters run it down more secretly than them wtf.
no reason to debate whether it's wintrading because it OBVIOUSLY is. the question is, will riot do something about that? if they won't ban PRO PLAYERS wintrading, what hope there is for regular players having soft inters/wintraders in their games? can riot for once show they care about regular players' experience?
Riot in 2021 banned 38 Chinese LPL and LDL players and coaches for matchfixing,12 of them got life time ban,rest got from 3 months to 2 years bans,entire LDL was suspended for a month as that ban wave removed two teams from league in process,so i doubt Riot will just ignore this.
the whole pro play would be a joke and no one could rly take it serious anymore..other sports are a great example. If you have a "wintrader" you immediately get punished. It's because you need to have it always at maximum LVL, else the viewers won't take it serious anymore. Same with me here. If I'll see shit like that here again, I will ask myself wow is it worth to watch pro play anymore?
Idk if its the same guy but Odin #7841(currently rank 30 challenger EUW) trolled/wintraded two of my games earlier this season, one of which was with Flakked. He plays Jayce, Asol and Neeko the same 3 as 0din has played in pro. He is not on lolpros. In the first game he just stole toplane (even though he was mid, queues mid and did not ask for top) and went 0-10 on his first and only mordekaiser game ever
I looked up Ultraliga's twitter and they just released a statement saying that both of those guys (mid and jg) are suspended for the next two games, and also they're doing an investigation, hopefully they get banned or something
They are OBVIOUSLY wintrading. It's sad because I follow Ultraliga a bit and Kylin and 0din are super good, they NEVER play like that usually. Update: both have been expelled from the team.
@@abouttime2569nothing, langauge barier between them was huge, they communicate with chinese frauds by pings XD (info from Heszzero at interview after 1st game).
Sucks for the rest of the team. I don't know how are they going to play today and in the next week. It's probably going to be hard to find another mid jungle duo.
@@marcindunajski3545wow poland has its own league and system? Can you tell me more about poland LoL pro scene (views, popularity, skill,)? Thank you so much.
@@G2CSFan Poland and small baltic and slavic countries like Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine etc are pretending in UL. In practise only one from 8 teams in 1UL are not feom Poland. We have 1UL where winner and runner-up have spots in EMEA Masters Playin, 2UL where 2 best teams are playing bonus tournament with 2 worse from 1UL to take/defend spot. We have something like Baltic Playgrounds witch is kinda 3UL "but not" xD Search in Leaguepedia and u can learn much more. Our league exists from 6 years, 2UL from 3 or smth like that
@@G2CSFan ye, that was fully polish league, 1 or 2 years ago they changed it into *ENEA region* but skill lvl isn't high, generally a few years ago if someone of the around-lec polish players had no team, they joined one of the teams and easilly stomped the other ones.
@@spicesmuggler2452 well it would be easy to just actually point it towards ego and thinking that you cant possibly lose so you wont even try and will do some stupid shit?
@@lideadellapizza1451 Yeah agree with you i am making shots in the dark... But those games they lose to bottom teams really REALLY piss me off because it keeps happening split after split...
@@spicesmuggler2452okay and who cares if they lose to bottom teams? If they just smashed every team they went against what would they gain? You don't think it would be better to try out new strategies in games that mean nothing and learn something than just play something you know will work and win with that? Maybe think for more than a couple seconds next time.
The worst part is that they weren’t even hiding it. If the rest of the team weren’t involved which i have no doubt in my mind they weren’t they must have been so confused.
I think this is a very interesting topic. Because most of the wintrading that actually gets proven/caught is often when someone who was involved in the win trading was unsatisfy with their share of profits (or used the win trading as a threat). Then they will expose the win trading and thus provides sufficient proof. Despite some of the very strange plays and 'obvious' win trading or kills controlling, it will be difficult to have the association commit to any solid punishment to deal with these actions.
That may be true if they are trying to prosecute them irl, but I am pretty sure the UltraLiga and the other leagues can just blacklist them without any problems. Also Riot wouldn't own anyone any more explanation if they decided to ban their accounts
this if anything should say something about the bot sup top, for them to be playing this well. definitely should add to their value (and it should go without saying jgl mids time in the league should be over)
also just before the game there was big change in the payout ratios at gambling sites , went from something like 1.2 to 2.0 which would happen only if there was a large about of money bet on the team losing
I really hope that nothing happens to the players that actually tried to win. I have followed Ruf and Endz for years and they are grinding hard as long as I have followed them. Also they are very few estonian LoL pros left still actively playing. Really sucky situation overall
I knew about HeSSZero since 2021 and it sucks that he is finding himself in a team with wintraders... he's a pretty chill guy who once made me spam Iceborn and Tytanic Hydra Wukong 😂
For information. Before this game started the odds favored IW and just shortly before the match started the odds shifted meaning someone put quiet some money on ESCA.
Most of the games that day was teams who has baron can even hardly end up a game however there was a game, i dont remember anymore if it was the 3rd or 4th game of the day and sometime in that game one of the leading team member was killed and that was only 4 v 5 but the opposing team go straight to the base and the game ended without having baron empowered minions. 😂
This is why I’m scared to see esports get as big as football. I’m scared that it’s gonna be all about the money and be like all other sports, Corrupted as hell.
what? shure sports is corrupted as hell... but t2 of any esporst has a lot of wintraiding for years, because there is no money and even betting skins or on sides makes more over a year. i mean for fuck sake, there is a meme called "322" because there was an up and comming player willing to sack his careere for a wintraid that netted him 322 converted to dollar. CS GO had a massiv scandal in t1 NA szene. And that are the most well known. its pretty mutch common knowlage that wintraiding is present in lower tiers. if anything its needs to get bigger in a broad sense... t1 szenes are in a bubble and overpayed for what money comes out of esports and t2 basicly earns close to nothing
not everywhere, it all comes to a morals. LCK is clean,they want to win and know how popular it is. Big tournaments like worlds are best because player wanna be famous and win it all. And yea LPL is definitelly corrupted. But these 2 guys are stupid. Why would you pick one of the best early game junglers if you want to lose. And Enemy teamcomp was just tragic,thats what happens when untalented people play wanna be pro leagues.
The thing is that the only corruption that comes in esports is by teams betting against themselves, since that's what they can only really control. Let me tell you, if the money from winning is big, most teams won't risk intentionally losing just for bet winning. In sports like football, there is corruption because there are referees that can be bought and affect the game. In League, there is no such thing. If both teams are fair, then there is nothing that can be done and the result will be fair. But in football, the team that REALLY wants to win will pay refs.
@@ArcaneTricksterRS no dont pay them more. if its all about money guys will play differently. in esports its easy to spot match fixing. you can spot just simply by watching player move on map, once its uneeffective he is done. its always about morals, if you had good General managers in team no one would int on purpose. In Lec they suck, the dudes are so bad its insane. Players like Hylissang cannot be in pro play, dude has no potential he will never win worlds, why keep him,he looks bored already
@@DantesFromHospital LCK is clean cause the association works there very strictly. There is a step to the left, a step to the right, and your reputation is destroyed right there and then on the spot for such mistakes
The weird thing is, if they really are wintrading, why is it only two people instead of the whole team? Wouldn't the team also ask questions? At the very least the coaches and the teammates would. This isn't some SoloQ games where there wouldn't be any time to talk between the players.
You know, they bet against them self or like some people says on the lenght of the game. Imagine you bet 20k you could go out with double or more the price. If they come from china in ultraligua they will probably never be in major ligue like lec/lpl but they can a bunch of money even if they get kiked out after. Anyways if they bet against themself this day ther lost theire money and probably theire future in leag
Gwen player in the interview was really sad, he didnt know before and this game was sus to him. Those two players are already suspended for next two games
Its not really a problem for them, they made one time big money from wintrading and will make big money now from boosting since boosting is more profitable than being a pro player
i wasnt fully convinced till minute 3:50. everything before that the players can make somewhat of an arguement for ( it wont be a good one) but after minute 3:50 theres no excuse for that, no arguement in this world exist for that level of int except windtrading
that makes me really happy that the bot lane and top lane won the game against their own teamates wintrading. hope there is a large financial penalty on the mid and jungler and anyone else involved.
It's so weird that I can't even be sure it is, but it 99.9% is Now, if it actually is a matchfix, this speaks very well for 3 players in that lobby, and very badly for the other 7, I will say that much
If a game is this suspicious they need to investigate because this is ridiculous. Even if they trolling they should get some sort of warning from lewgue officials.
The “I’ll do my own sht” at 1:26 is literally newbie (first 1 to 15 game) mistake. I have only see that in no rank/ iron where people still learn about the game. I have see my past self in that jayce, those good old memories
I would be definatelly having a conversation with mid/jungle after the game. I would review play by the play, asking legit questions, and, if the answers are stupid, I would refuse to play alongside them, telling the couch to bench/replace mfs. Hell, I would try to keep myself calm and not to punch them in the face.
Eh. Corki might be AD but he deals a shit tonne of magic damage to be fair. Of the 46,000 he dealt that game 37,000 of it was magic damage. Edit In fact the game was kind of a clean split in damage. 59936 total physical damage. 64290 total magic damage. Even favoring magic damage.
@@xEmpress95 I think Steraks might've been the play though honestly just looking at how much cc they have, tenacity into Naut, Maokai, Varus just makes sense
Based on this video alone i'd say it is. I am unsure as to why, but matchfixing with money and bet sites is unfortunately still a common practice in all levels of sports. Let's hope Ultraliga or Riot games issues an investigation as to what happend that game specifically and if it's related to potential matchfixing etc. Would be sad for the entire league and parties involved if it is though.
