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Doesent one of the hellcats use the air con system to freeze the intake?

Water-methanol injection, how has this channel not done this yet?

Back in the 80's during the Turbo era of Formula 1 before the start of the race the would put dry ice in the inlets of the side pods in front of the intercooler to cool the charge. Not sure exactly how effective it was but if helped them gain a couple of positions at the start it was a benefit.

The lengths of admitting I should not have left youtube.

a water sprayer costs about 50-80 bucks if you wire it properly and use a washer tank. Id go with 5 seconds on the relay and the fine mist greenhouse sprayers. Also, chemical intercooling via water injection/methanol injection. Ive seen them just mist it upstream of the throttle body on the cold side of the intercooler.

You’d think it would fail for no longer having fire suppression

@ShaunHensley Yes, it was the 80s and things were much more relaxed back then. Playing devil's advocate, I guess you can't make it against the rules to "activate" the fire suppression system.

The original ford lightning used its AC to cool the blower charge.

​@ricepony33 Just being pedantic, but the original Ford Lightning didn't have a blower, but used a mildly spiced-up 351. The supercharged 5.4 truck Brian drove in F&F 1 was the 2nd-gen.

@@JETZcorpdid it ticklike my 5.4? 😂

My memory is like a trap, nothing enters and nothing leaves ;) @@JETZcorp

Mighty car mods made a video about this a few years ago

T the vodka half to intercooler half to me.

slight fire hazard spraying that stuff in an already hot engine compartment with the potential of over spray hitting the exhaust but could be ducted away to ground or vertically out the hood

@@snapon666 Water provides no fire hazard

It should be something that arrives as a liquid and phase changes to gas. Liquid Nitrogen would be really good, and alcohol of course, but water absorbs a lot of energy even without changing phase to gas and is not explosive.

OG says water washer fluid (alcohol) vodka /methanol @@RAPXZibit

I was gonna say the same thing all you have to do is re route the windshield washer pumps to the intercooler

@@K_Swap_The_World_69 in the vid they said chilling the cooler doesn’t do much but they started with a cold intercooler when you’ve been driving for a few hours or it’s the middle of the summer and you’re on the highway doing a roll that thing warms up quick windshield washer fluid cools it right out but I think one benefit to the CO2 is you’re not risking getting water or methanol somewhere you don’t want it. You’re right I’ve seen a lot of guys just do that you got a mess with the sprayer on the end of it to get a good misting effect but it works very well and it’s basically free that CO2 set up or using nitrous is absolutely not the cost of nitrous is why I put a blower on my car I was burning through a bottle a day just out having fun. Compared to nitrous that blower paid for itself in a couple of months. And no more nitrous backfires turning the butterfly in my throttlebody into a clam which is also very expensive

My SRT4 came with the same set up with the turbo toys option and it works well....I also use wiper fluid in my SNOW brand water/meth kit because it's chemically the same as the 30 bucks a gallon boost juice they sell...all works great and a must have if you want to run a good amount boost without killing you daily...👍

@@CraigBrosRacing look at the ingredients to windshield washer fluid it's got some Methanol in it, it's not much but it's there

@@K_Swap_The_World_69 true that...the car can't tell the difference between industrial glass cleaner and SNOWs boost juice and the graph isn't any different between the two when doing dyno pulls..👍 easier on my wallet is the only difference I can see so far...

You’re right on the pressure drop but not the CO2. The CO2 tank they have isn’t a siphon tank so they’re just spraying gas and not liquid. They’d have needed to invert the tank to go it right.

Exactly. These guys are goofs sometimes.

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You would need to confirm with an actual Chemical Engineer, it requires a lot more energy to change phase from a liquid to gas than it does to raise it from its melting temp to its boiling. For example, water requires 7x more energy to get from 100c to 101c than it does to go from 0c to 100c. The phase change of the fuel is doing a huge amount of cooling of the combustion chamber already. You would be way better off changing to something like E85 so you can add more cooling through fuel evaporation rather than installing a fuel cooler

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Correct. Turbulent flow inside the intercooler is necessary for as many air molecules to come into contact with the aluminium as possible. If the flow is laminar pressure drop will be reduced but most of the air will not touch the aluminium. As air is a poor heat conductor the molecules contacting the aluminium will insulate those that do not, therefore most molecules will not lose heat. Intercooler design is about finding a balance between restriction and heat transfer.

Maybe, but remember, not always boost means something, air density really means something. Some time ago an engine builder explained that, pressure doesnt mean boost, if you increase air temp you create pressure but also reduce density. Lower temp reduces pressure but increase density (More density More Oxigen, more fuel can be injected more power).

The gains are pretty minimal without boost. If you live somewhere where it gets cold your car doesn't just become an animal in the winter despite sometimes below freezing intake temps. Side note: most modern vehicles run heated coolant through their throttle bodies to prevent them from icing up in the winter

Just curious of what company sells aftermarket air to air intercooler specifically for gm 3800s? I pretty much only do 3800s and was only aware of zzps water to air and a couple other smaller companies with similar water to air. I know of a few RU-vidrs who had air to air setups, just thought they were custom though. Very much appreciate any info. Thanks.

@@pd2340 yella terra or mace? I’ll check. It’s only for the rwd Australian guys. Probably why you haven’t seen much about it in North America. I saw one inbred hick from Nebraska who flipped his m90 upside down and went to an air to air, which is easily the dumbest thing anybody could do lmfao.

just disconnect your windshield washers and run a hose with a nozzle to your intercooler. Thats what a couple of my friends did.

windsreen washer jet's get some newer ones are an eco spray type

Depends on if it's a street car, street race car or straight race car...if it's driven more than raced than A to A is the way if it's main purpose is to be a race car then W to A is the way...W to A gets you the coolest charge but not practical in a street car..

Most super expensive hyper cars (example - BUGATTI CHIRON) has A to A intercoolers..most drag cars have W to A..

Drag and drive/no trailer cash days style build.

@@davidjames766 Just go Air to Air for street/strip setup. And if you want get a 50hp shot of nitrous or a methanol injector for when you go racing.

depends on the apparatus making the boost too. I have a water cooled brick under my roots style blower!

The water is really the key there. The latent heat of vaporization of water is roughly four times larger than CO2 by weight. Water absorbs a metric buttload of heat energy which is why it's used for engine coolant in the first place. When you mix in evaporative cooling with that also you get even more

why? Ive heard Bank's opinion go against dyno and street tested data.

so you want them to dyno test your set up for free. 🤣🤣

@@KingSMW Maybe I was not clear enough with my comment/request. I just want to know if it's buildable. Edelbrock reps say it can't, folks on message boards say they seen it done; I need tangible information. Dyno is not needed just it being able run is what I want. Let's forget about hp and torque. If these guys do it, then it's further and up-to-date information with knowledge from their experience on top. Am I still cryptic or is my request now better iterated? I'm looking to build for mild street performance and to beat these fuel prices a little WITHOUT going for an LS swap.

@@P-nutBD now im curious why this wont work. my first thought is how do the ports all align? if they align then why wouldnt it? air, fuel, spark. right?

@@P-nutBD there is something i saw on the other engine show thats on TV. they took a sbc and used ls heads? i cant remember exactly but they saw good gains. it was a mash up of an ls and a sbc. that may give you some direction maybe? OH! HORSEPOWER TV is what im thinking. that episode ,may give you some ideas. and there is no such thing as "can't do it". there is only "i can't afford it". thats not meant to be a knock on you! only them.

@@KingSMW Yeah, I saw that one too, but they used a Motown block which is pricey somewhere around 2k for a bare block, it'd be cheaper to just go pure LS by a visit to a local salvage yard.

Was about to say the same. lol. Been wondering about this for a while also.

I'm running a 6-71 on a Chevy inline 6 292 with a Ryan Falconer V-12 head. I thought about freezing the whole intake.@@SPEEDOFDOG

Get junkyard Nissan leaf air conditioner or some other electric vehicles

Yes

The fuel evaporation pulls heat from the intake charge, I think they tested that on a previous Engine Masters episode.

For sure. Something wasn't right if they had to keep adjusting the tune - and nobody even questioned it? Imagine if you had to retune your car just because it was cold outside that day!