The Circassian word is originaly from "Cherkess" and it was given to the Adyghe people, the Adyghe are 12 tribes, Kabardians are one of the 12 tribes, of course every tribe has his own dialect of language but all speak Adyghe language, for example : Arabs from Iraq speak little different from Arabs from Egypt but they all speak Arabic. and Cherkess also include Abaza people, they are ethnicly very close and the language is also from the same family languages.
Hi everyone...I came across this circassian dancing during watching turkish drama "Esaret"...kind of dancing for noble people...someone pls share with me the history...Im quite impressed...from Malaysia with love
Circassian Circle is a dance that many Eurpean nations dance, but i really don't know why they call it Circassian cirlce, you can write it here on youtube and see it.
the Greek name for steel is "khalubas/khalufs", in German the brass is "messing", in Polish "mosiadz", Finnish "messinki" and so on. it`s believed, that bronze names in different languages are derived from Georgian/Kartvelian "Spilendzi/Spirendzi" - "Speri" is another Georgian province, near with Khalibians, modren day in Turkey. it is interesting, that all the metalurgical terms in Kartvelian languages (=Georgian/Mingrelo-Laz/Svan) are only Kartvelian!
some of researchers think, that the word "eskaliburi(exkalibur)" contains the meaning of old W. Georgian tribe-name "Khalibi/Khaliburi" = Khalibian. the "Khaliburi rkina/foladi" (=the khalibian iron/steel) was well known in ancient world and the W. Geo=Colchic tribes - Khalibs and Mossiniks are refered as a inventors of a Metalurgy.
@AndyNapso I can see difference between Mtiulian and Vaynakhian dances very clearly.they are different by style etc. Circassian dances are also very different. They are more different from Eastern Georgian dances then Vaynakhian dances. and generally Mtiuluri is created by Mtiulians.In their dances is Mtiulian soul. I also see here some Mokhevian/Mtiulian elements in this dance.
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some researches think that the Arthur legends are related somehow to the Sarmatians (Ossetians ancestors), and some names in Britain translate in Ossetic, like London means "High water" in Ossetian. and Celts such as Scottish and Irish dance a dance called "Circassian cirlce" and every eurpean nation know that dance too, so there are alot of mystrey everywhere.
'London' means 'high water' in Ossetian? My god that's the most interesting thing I've seen on the net in the last couple of days. Thanks for that. I have been reading your conversation with other posters. Makes a great read. I like the vid and appreciate you posting. I agree with your viewpoint. Merry Christmas. -Mark
Identity. It is a mistake to belittle the pride in race and culture. Were I believe I am from forms a central part of identity. I have very much enjoyed the erinformative comments on culture, history, community and senses of otherness. I never knew any of this. And now I want to learn about this area of the world. Thanks to all the people who made comments.
@AndyNapso About Zichs, When we'd Golden age(Tamara and Giorgi V's time) Zichs were in our army always as the best shot (Sometimes KOSHAGS too), they'd Fastest Horses, they'd Goat leather garments,so the were famous light cavalers. in 1195(Shamkir) in 1202(Basiani) in Iran(1210) to Konstantinopol(1204) against Mongols(12200 agains Khoresm(Garnis 1225) were Zichs
I do respect Caucasus and I do love Caucasians as they are our brothers, I just said that moves in that dance come from Georgian dance and there is nothing to be scandalized or to be taken as insult. Georgian kings always supported Circassians as well as other Caucasus peoples,that don't even exist anymore (like Jiks)
well since it was established in 1921, that only means that the new georgian culture (dance clothes, etc..) originally comes from the circassian culture that has inhibited the land for centuries..
@AndyNapso The Kists came here since XIX century, Mtiuluri is defined the art of war. Vaikahs (Kists) and Georgians (Khevsurs) have similar dances (some in cases), however Khevsurians loos as Christian dance with clothing. No I am not a specialist ,but I saw here not only Mtiuluri but Lezginka's elenets. About Svan hate take adress ''черкесия 1/6 - 5:15-5:25'' not only Adigheans have used, but Karachayans,Balkars and Ossetians(And Abaza-Apsua today too)
@digmeli Tell me what is your character exactly?? do the Adjarian character is like Khevesur character? do the Svan character is like Kakhetian character? which one of them is the Georgian character??
@AndyNapso Sashkha I know, your swords is one-one of the best in the world,but Mtiuls have Gorda( always 2 swords) ,that's great we have Swords(In the museums) old ,med-al ages and modern. The kings',Archdukes',Princes,priests,peasants ,riders, Infantry. On frescoes are painted all of the swords and clothing of old Georgians.I can say about Zich clothing for 1225 years (Garni battle against Khoresm).
@digmeli all are same character more or less, only different dialect and some dances that some tribes used to dance but today we are all scattered only few Circassians remain, alot of elements died with our exile and genocide that means in culture and traditions too...
what is the parikaoba? is it the khevesur dance with swords? well that what i was saying that those were not dances but simply showing the life style of the specific people, it was choreographed as a dance because it is the best way to show it.
@AndyNapso I am speaking about Mokhevian/ character High Mountain of Eastern Georgian for me Georgians mean Mokhevians :)) and are what about you? "Abzakh, Bjedough, Shapsugh, Kabartey, Natukhai, Hatuqai, Besleney, Ubykh, Chamgui, Yejerquai, Makhosh, Mamkhej."
There are similarities in dances, don't pick up one dance and say "we don't dance like this" we Circassians also don't dance like Adjarian dance nor Rachian dance, but there are similarities in all dances in some moves, even in that Circassian dance you sent me you can see moves that are similar to some Georgian moves if you will look from the start to the end.
Not everything you see is Kazbeguri, look at the moves, and you will notice that this is not Kazbeguri moves at all. not all Gorski (mountaineers) dance is Kazbeguri and Georgian, Georgians got their own just like every caucasian got its own style. The circassian cirlce is known in all eurpoe even the scottish and irish dance it, but nobody know how those nations adopted it.
@AndyNapso / what if i will say your Mtiuluri and Mtiuleti area dances came from Vainakh people?/ I am Mokhevian. Mokhevian are the closest people for Mtiulians.I know them very well. and Vainakhs are our neighbours. Vainakhians dances are very different from our Mtiulians' and Mokhevians dances(Kazbeguri is our Mokhevian).
@DefenceGeorgoa I don't know what you talk about, I never seen anyone uses Svan's hat in these days and no one else in history... I don't know about Karachays but no Circassian used it...
so from your saying it is only khevesurs who fought with swords and shields in all caucasus?? maybe in all europe too? i told you, many things about circassians are dopted from their Nart legends, there the characters described by their clothes and swords and shields, Nart legends goes back more than 1000 B.C, it was paganic times, in museum in maykop you can see circassian armours and shields and helmets found in circassian lands that goes back more earlier.
only khevesurs have those armours, while all Circassians had those kind of armour and shields even from Nart legends from 1000 B.C, from there Circassians adopted many tings that they still use in these days. i can show you photos that circassians had armour and on it they put the cherkesska.
@maximuss001 Well let me tell you that nothing here is Georgian, you just keep on living in your own bubble, and about music, the first music that you use in your dances is Kumyk music from Dagestan it is from a song, the second music is used until today in my village and people used to sing with it in Circassian language it is called "We are Adyghe" and the third music i don't know and the fourth music is Adyghe Mezdoug music
@DJIGIT06 Yes, Ingush are Veinakh they are same decendants as Chechens. Adygha and Veinakh are oldest 2 groups in the "Caucas's." Dagestanis is the term to cover there many nations. The only true kavkazians are Abkhazians, Adyghe, Veinakh, and Dagestanis.
@AndyNapso About talavari i have seen Iranian version, they think it's Iranian ahev have pic georgians,Circasians,Armenians,Azeris,talesh :D howevere Arm-Az-taesh have started to use 'Chokha' since XIX cent. When Erekle II hired Circassians against iran your clothing was like us ,but i dont know about your hats. The fact is true today Absuans are using Svan hat and in Karacahy-C and kabardo-B with Alanya is popular too|Crimean Tatars say that Talavari(Cei) is their (origin) D
the Sarmatians are not only ossetian ancestors at all. "Sarmat?Sharomat" was the collective name for all N.caucasian (and upper) tribes. and one of them may be were ossetian ancestors. Javakhishvili thinks, thah the name "Sarmat" is "SHARO MAT" - of NAKH orrigin - the tribe which speaks Sharo language. and --->
What i ment was us the Caucasians :), it is we who argue about from where came beeing Caucasians, but to foreigners all Caucasians are the same, just like they see Russians and Ukrainians and Belarusians are the same, and just like they see Irish, Scottish, Welsh are the same and the list goes on.... This music is from the clip, i don't know where you can get it.
as i said, not all you see come from Georgia, i don't know where it come from, i know all nations used to be fighters especialy in the caucasus. and i bet the Khevesurs in reality don't dance in weddings fighting in swords and such, the sword fight is telling a story of a character it is not a reall dance, it is choreography with modern elements, the "Khevesureti" dance is folklore that tells a story of how they live in their place.
Hello dear caucasian brothers. Excuse me, Do you know a famous wonderful old caucasian woman playing achordeon? I was impresionated when I saw her in youtube but I dont remember her name. Perhaps She is from Chechniya, Daghestán, Çerkessia or other wonderful place in Caucasus. Thank you very much for help me.
@DefenceGeorgoa Show me that prince? Do you know that Azeris call the Caucasian dress "Cherkez Chokha"? and Russians call it Cherkesska, the Georgian authentic chokha is different from Cherkesska, it is little similar but also different...
this name "SHARO" is widely spread in all Nakhetia. so we can say, that Sarmatians mostly was N. caucasian tribes, not only ossetic (iranian). about "London" - I know another version, that London is "Alan-Don" - water of Alans. sorry, but may be the "GonDon"(condom) is Ossetian too? :D may be the "Don" and the "Danube(donau)" are alanian words, but "London" is too much. there is something Celtic root for this toponym.
@AndyNapso Actually The swords is similar and that's not a new,however matterials(Steels,forms so etc0 are different. I dont think it has any close to Persians, we used Lekuri,Franguli swords but not Persians and your swords were so famouos(in Russian impery too as yours).
Georgian clans and tribes are totaly different from eachother, for instance what is the connection between khevesurs and adjarians? (except that both are georgians), their clothes are not the same their way of life isn't the same, their dances isn't the same? how do you think it happend? same thing about kakhetians and svanetians and such, every reigon is like a differetn country and culture, but Circassians are all the same with clothes culture and traditions and the too live far from eachother
@AndyNapso Actually Caucasuian dances're similar(especially if you're non-Caucasian ), btw In north Caucasus to be used SVAN_HAT if you know what's it.Also Lezginka became not only Lezgins ,all Caucasians have their version.butw what i have watched here is half Miuluri hal;f Circassians,which Circassian tribes are here ? Mtiuls live near Tbilisi from north(80 km), if they(Video) are Kabardians ? I dont know. btw Mtiuluri dance stolen by Azerbaijanis too
@AndyNapso I've sent clothing of Jakeli family,but I can show another (about XIII cent) not only body's part,but full dress and you can see as their clothing as their shoes.are you agree that BULLET's BOX is added after XV century ?(When the guns came into use).So it could be on XIII century's fresco,but others(Clothing,shoes,Belt) are here. SO Цей/ტალავარი cold not be not from Crimean Tatars, or Iranians(as they claim) we can show the facts IX_XIV(>) centuries.
even in that kabardinka you saw there are some mountaineers moves, so how come that it is not kazbeguri to your saying?? i can tell what is exactly kazbeguri move and what is not, ofcourse there are some little similarities like in every caucasian dance it because of the caucasian character who is almost the same.
@AndyNapso /what is the difference between Kazbegi people and Mokhevi reigon?/ Kazbegi region is in Khevi. Kazbegians are Mokhevians. /anyway these Mtiuluri,Tushuri,Mokhevuri etc' all are offspring of Kazbeguri dance/ Mokhevuri and Kazbeguri is the same dance. Kazbegi is in Khevi,and Mtiuluri,Tushuri these dances belong to other Georgian tribes
@AndyNapso Why Russians called ? becuase they saw the first in 16 cent..(kossaks today have your version 100% copied).Azeris have taken russian word like Qafqaz Albaniyası(by Russian) and why not by Lezgins (*Alpan) or Georgians (Alvan) or Armenians (Aluank)???? but Qafqaz Albaniyası, what's it name in Chechen,Ingush,lezgin so etc ?
But it is total differences between clans, if you talk about Churches architecture well it is known that all churches got the same architecture in Georgia. about the dance, no it is not Georgian at all, men competitions are goes back to Nart legends too, there even they competed on dancing on tables on their tip toes and showing moves with weapons and such. the one you talk about kazbeguri you said it was not a dance it was more training excercise.
The dances look the same because we live in same areas and regions, the Russian dance is also looks like the Ukrainian dance, (Both are Slavic nations), the German dance looks like the Austrian dance (both Germanic nations), so the Circassian and Georgian dances look the same because both nations are Caucasians. many people who live next to eachother look the same, for foreigners, Georgians or Circassians they don't care they simply say "the same shit" pardon my french :)
@AndyNapso What I said you accepted it,we've one region. and what About Talavari(Cerkezka,Chokha,Cei) ? I can show you sout-west Georgian prince Beshken and Beka Jakeli with Talavari on XII century's fresco . there is not only box of bullets(because a gun is since XV century).I also can show you full clothing of Circassians for 1830 y.So all Caucassians have added their elements. And have u seen Cossacks,they've stolen Circassian verion of Talavari and added their Shoulder strap
@DefenceGeorgoa Then you know that your mtiluri moves are like Circassian shashka attack moves? maybe it came from that... About Svan's hats, you mean the old guy who wears it?, it is in modern day, maybe he use it for himself but no Adyghe and no Apsua used it in history, maybe you will see couples who use it among Circassians like that old man, nowday Georgians use Adyghe hats too (the Papakha), but it is in modern times not historicly
