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Advanced Combustion Analysis (HVAC) w/ Jim Bergmann 

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Jim Bergmann gives his presentation on advanced combustion analysis for HVAC applications, including gas furnaces. He shows how to use BluFlame from AccuTools with measureQuick to get the most accurate results and protect yourself and customers from the hazards of carbon monoxide (CO).
To make sure your combustion analyzer is most effective, be sure to calibrate it outdoors with fresh air. When you measure CO in the home, you can keep the analyzer at chest height because CO doesn't stratify. Even though it's poisonous, you likely won't find CO without an analyzer because it's odorless, colorless, tasteless, and mixes well with the air.
Symptoms of CO poisoning resemble that of the flu and may include headaches, dizziness, nausea, fatigue, confusion, and shortness of breath. If you have those symptoms but feel okay outside your home, then your home likely has CO. CO is so dangerous because it displaces oxygen in the bloodstream. CO may come from the furnace, but you also have to think about other fuel-burning appliances, automobiles, and tobacco smoke.
At the appliance, you need to do draft and spillage testing. You need to do the draft test at least 12 inches above the draft diverter; the draft hood separates the appliance from the draft, preventing the fire from rolling out or nuisance pilot outages. A draft should be established within 5 minutes of starting a gas appliance. We want to avoid spillage when the flue becomes blocked or the chimney is cold; spillage is common on hot water tanks, and you can look for rusting or staining at the draft hood to identify spillage. Draft spillage is more likely to happen in undersized chimneys and when you have common vented appliances. Backdrafting can also happen when static pressure buildup causes the combustion air to spill through the smaller appliance.
When setting manifold pressure, you first need to understand how much fuel and air are required for complete combustion. After setting the fuel pressure, you must clock the meter. Heat content varies across the country per the Wobbe index, and clocking the gas meter allows you to adjust gas pressure and airflow accurately according to the manufacturer's specs AND the average heat content in your area. If you use measureQuick to help clock the meter, it will use its geolocation capabilities and do calculations to let you know if you need to resize the orifice to meet the target pressure.
Combustion testing varies by furnace efficiency; it is less critical on 80% furnaces than on 90%+ high-efficiency condensing furnaces. Higher levels of excess air can keep CO levels low, but when there is too much excess air, the flue gases can dry out and fail to produce adequate condensate. When you first start up an appliance, the combustion is very fuel-heavy, meaning that there is low oxygen and higher CO. As the excess air levels rise, the efficiency peaks and the CO should decrease as oxygen increases. You ideally want to be close to the middle of the target ranges, not close to the edges. You must do a combustion test on the undiluted flue gas in each cell (the same applies to boilers).
Combustion analysis can also help you distinguish combustion efficiency from AFUE; combustion efficiency does not account for standby losses and only tells part of the story. You should also verify that the base pan is sealed if the bottom return is not used.
MeasureQuick can also help you profile, benchmark, commission, and diagnose problems with gas appliances. After you profile the system, measureQuick helps you determine if your pressures and temperatures are within the targets. MeasureQuick also provides just-in-time education that allows you to learn about each reading and what it means.
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Комментарии : 29   
@HVACRILLA
@HVACRILLA 2 года назад
You guys are fighting the good fight I’ve learned more from your RU-vid group than 5 months working in the field!!
@chriscooley906
@chriscooley906 4 года назад
Thanks again for sharing this amazing content, very much appreciated
@fredflintstone8048
@fredflintstone8048 3 года назад
We had the same problem of operators in a utility plant who took readings during every shift but had no idea what the reading meant, so problems would build to a critical failure and no one noticed, but someone who DID know what the readings meant would go back in the logs and see the problem building for a long time.. Inadequate training was the cause in some cases, lack of concern was the cause in others.
@eracismm
@eracismm 4 года назад
Anywhere I can download that power point Jim ?...., those types of documents really get my point across to our apprentices... Thanks for all you do for the industry
@NinjaMaster5OOO
@NinjaMaster5OOO 4 года назад
all extremely useful information. thanks!!
@jeffb8437
@jeffb8437 4 года назад
As always, great content
@truthistruth883
@truthistruth883 2 года назад
Excellent video... I've got over 20 years experience.... you blew it all out of the water... so much for union training in Minnesota.... lol!
@josephaleman2915
@josephaleman2915 5 месяцев назад
Great video!
@Ted_E_Bear
@Ted_E_Bear 4 года назад
Very informational !!!
@taephillips3276
@taephillips3276 Год назад
Just got a testo 310 analyzer and this is super helpful thank you
@josephtramutola592
@josephtramutola592 4 месяца назад
My testo lasted 26 months and they wanted to put a sensor in it for 450 bucks so I told him to keep it.
@JoeB3
@JoeB3 4 года назад
Really appreciate these! Will you be posting the healthy home talk?
@coldfinger459sub0
@coldfinger459sub0 4 года назад
Next year my son and I will be at AHR in Chicago. Mandatory trade education for any tech to show up at the AHR show if you want to be in this trade.
@jericosha2842
@jericosha2842 2 года назад
I feel like I'm at square 1 after watching this. I don't have a combustion analyzer. They are so expensive and my shop doesn't provide tools. I've been spending so much money on tools to just make sure I'm doing things right.
@lee-johnson
@lee-johnson 4 года назад
Can measure quick trend all of those devices simultaneously? I know you can connect them all, but will trending allow it? Great presentation Jim
@Adam90028
@Adam90028 9 месяцев назад
What is the link to that clock meter website?
@gilgonzalez8892
@gilgonzalez8892 4 года назад
I'm on the market in purchasing a combustion analyzer
@jeffb8437
@jeffb8437 4 года назад
Gil Gonzalez check out the BluFlame. Very good analyzer
@antoniodefilippis323
@antoniodefilippis323 3 года назад
310 s resedential cheap and good
@Guyhakverdi
@Guyhakverdi 3 года назад
Why 2 stage furnaces produces CO when its replaced with standard 3" pvc exhaust ? 41:00 what is referring to ?
@Icytits
@Icytits 2 года назад
All furnaces produce some CO, regardless of vent size. He's saying that the 3" vent slowed the exhaust velocity to the point that it wasn't being ejected far enough away from the home and was recirculated into the home through a soffit vent during low-fire due to the slower exhaust velocity of the low-fire stage. You can fix this by reducing to 2" at the termination to increase exhaust velocity without significantly increasing overall vent friction. The increased velocity ejects the exhaust gas further away from the home without needing to have 5ft of pipe coming out the side of the house or choking the high-fire stage with undersized venting.
@ChacaConProductions
@ChacaConProductions Год назад
What app is he using?
@tyl8ter
@tyl8ter 4 года назад
Jim carbon dioxide is not a pollutant...anyway carry on..
@measureQuick
@measureQuick 3 года назад
Though many living things emit carbon dioxide when they breathe, the gas is widely considered to be a pollutant when associated with cars, planes, power plants, and other human activities that involve the burning of fossil fuels such as gasoline and natural gas. www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/pollution/#:~:text=Though%20many%20living%20things%20emit,as%20gasoline%20and%20natural%20gas.
@markwimbush581
@markwimbush581 3 года назад
I do have a question for you regarding clocking the meter and actions you suggest taking with resulting information. The appliance comes with CSA and UL approvals for specific size orifices and specific manifold pressure which is supposed to give a certain heat output. The testing you have explained shows that these original designs, specifications and components do not result in guaranteed performance under all conditions. You recommend changing manifold pressure or orifice size to correct for site conditions in order to bring the appliance performance to match the nameplate. In the past i have been very diligant in making certain to set manifold pressures to match nameplate, and to only install parts that match original equipment performance specifications. This is a gas code requirement. I am seeing the contradiction where original equipment design and nameplate manifold settings versus resultant equipment performance not matching performance specifications on the same nameplate. I have always viewed these kinds of contradictions as being a result of factors outside of the range of what my qualifications allow me to alter: performance variations within allowable tolerances which we simply have to accept. I am a licenced gas tech which qualifies me to repair not re-engineer certified appliances. I am concerned that if i alter the unit so that it is different than nameplate or install parts with different performance specifications i will be opening myself up to liabilities. These changes will void the CSA and UL certification and void manufacturers certification and warranties. If something goes wrong i would be held responsible. Sorry for the long winded note, but would very much like to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks Thank you.
@measureQuick
@measureQuick 3 года назад
@@markwimbush581 Mark, furnaces are rated for input, not orifice size. Furnaces come with a standard orifice generally related for 1000-1075 BTUH. Picking the right size orifice is no different then picking the right filter size for the application. You can require a 16 x 25, 20 x 20, or 20 x 25. The fist thing that CSA labs does when they test a furnace is pull the factory orifices and install the ones that give them the correct input for the design. It is not uncommon to have to change the orifices as the heat content varies across the country.
@markwimbush581
@markwimbush581 3 года назад
@@measureQuick Thanks for your reply. I really appreciate your videos. Your approach is different than how I was trained and it provides a clarity to the work that is really helpful.
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