Hey DLP, I found your channel while watching a video by Omega Luke. I now can proudly say after 5 days I have binge watched every singe video on your channel, they are fantastic! Please keep doing what your doing we really appreciate it. Your channel has given me a new understanding of the game and allowed me to explore some positions / roles I’ve not really used before. I have been using a Carrilero in my save and have seen a new light on using strikers that are not just AF. Love the channel and thank you. 🙏
That means a lot, thank you! And thank you for taking the time to write that out. That's been the goal of these videos and the channel in general. Not to show necessarily that one role is better than another, but that there are different options that give you different ways to play.
I would like to see a DM version of the Carrilero, so I can recreate Ipswich towns tactic in the Championship. Where Loungo moved from a central position out wide in a DM position allowing Leif Davis to bomb forward from LB.
For some people this information is 'normal' for me it is much more i'am/was always struggling with all kind of roles.....i never understood why i did not work......internet is great but sometimes you get wayyyyy to much useless information. Like you said...keep it simple....but what is simple? The way you explain makes everything so normal/easy going....even for me who's native language is not English. Keep up the good work and once again THANKS
Thank you for sharing and taking the time to write that out! Means a lot that these videos have made an impact for all kinds of FM players. I always struggled with knowing what the different roles did and how they can impact the team. So that's been the idea with these videos and realy the channel in general
In this channel we discussed the differences between Inside Forward and Inverted Winger. You-and many FM forums-said that Inside Forward is more like a goalscoring role meanwhile Inverted Winger is more a creative role. Funnily enough, Inside Forward role has "Take More Risks" instruction hardcoded to it, meanwhile Inverted Winger "Take Fewer Risks" instruction is available to be added. Then why is this? And what does this have to do with the way they play? I've analyzed some of my teams in different saves and the only differences I find between Inside Forward and Inverted Winger are how they move without the ball (Inside Forward tends to cut inside before receiving the ball and often looks for through balls, Inverted Winger receives the ball out wide mostly into their feet and then cuts inside) and how much crosses they do.
Basically, IF will take more risks. There's more to creativity than just how willing they are to do risky passes. With proper attributes, instructions, player traits, a player can make risky passes, regardless of the role. IW is more "creative" in that they will probably have the ball more, because they're willing to take ball into feet, in front of the defence, and then make something happen with it. Whether it's a pass, a dribble, etc. An IF is more focused on running into space, opening himself up to receive the ball behind defence. Now as with everything, both roles will do both things, sometimes, so it's rather about tendency. There are some clear hard-coded things that will make roles play differently. Player mentality, support vs attack, and team mentality also play a role.
A very interesting question! and those two are always up for a great discussion. The names give an indication of what they want to do: one is a "Forward" and one is a "Winger", meaning an Inside Forward wants to play like a striker; this often means shooting more, dribbling more, basically playing more selfishly. An Inverted Winger is still a winger, so they spend more time on the outer edges, and will still get in crosses. And your note about through-balls (great observation by the way!) is a by-product of the Inside Forwards hard coded instruction. From the SI Manual: "Take More Risks encourages players to increase the number of low-percentage through balls " You won't see a TON of differences between the two; they're both more attack focused player roles placed out on the wing. Kinda like what I was talking about in this video; the macro difference vs the micro difference. It's all about the type of player you want
I like the FM community in general, but I am sick of the whole "if you don't play gegenpress, you will probably have a bad time" and "defensive tactics just don't work in FM" … Sick of seeing the same 5-6 roles used everywhere and the general plug-and-play culture. No offense to anyone of course, you can play the game however you want, but that's exactly why I am amazed by your videos - you just make it as simple and accessible as the game of football can actually be, even in real life. And it really inspires someone like me to play again. Thanks dude, awesome content. Binged almost everything today and had a ton of notes.. My comment isn't on the AP topic of the video, but I wanted to post it on your latest one. IDC , sue me ;p Now waiting for my fav role - the WP ;)
Thank you for the comment and support; means a lot! I think that FM is an incrediblt realistc game, and every weekend we see weird stuff happen in real football. I like to show the every role can be viable, though you may still lose! It makes it a much more challenging experience, but it's also more rewarding and I think enriches the experience
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker you are an absolute gem on RU-vid I only wish you get more followers and views. You're analysis of various roles are quite exceptional but also shows how much you're fan and expert of the FM. Again thank you very much
"Does anyone read these?" YES! HAHAHA Loved the video, as always.I particularly liked the complimentary roles section, its something I always missed from FM videos. However, I wonder: its the poacher a good partner for the Advanced Playmaker? In theory, he would've be a runner and also someone that would create space for the AP, right?
I've started to include more complimentary role talk in recent videos; I think it helps discuss how to start working a role into your tactic. And absolutely! The Poacher will definitely work; I'd even listen to the argument that he'd be a better fit than the AF. And I'm going to start putting more messages in the chapter titles I think haha
Definitely a role to use when you have the player for it. Seen too many players trying to use a AP with a player that doesn't have the attributes for it. The Bayer lad ain't too bad!
Very well produced video, I always enjoy your content. Would you mind doing a video on pressing, how to press effectively and also how to beat the oppositions press and avoid heavy pressure. Thank you
Thank you! I've been working on some stuff about pressing; it's been in the background, so don't expect anything right away. But I hope to get something out in the near(ish) future! And thank you for the suggestion!
SI needs to apply the positional play adjustments to AP on the wings as well. A lot of teams use this to form a box midfield with the AP on the wings tucking in to the midfield and allowing the wingback on the same side to aggressively overlap to provide all the width as a winger would. Think of earlier days Poch at Chelsea with Palmer roaming inside from the RW and Malo Gusto overlapping, earlier days Xavi at barca with Gavi on the LW tucking in to form a midfield box, and more recently Switzerland in the Euros with Fabian Rieder sitting in the right AM half space allowing the winger placed in a WB position to overlap (I forgot his name). In FM, this is rarely achievable even with the Sit Narrower and Roam from Position instruction on, and the AP could only be seen to tuck into the midfield when the ball is on the opposite side of the pitch he is on, since he is a "focus role" as you mentioned, so he will naturally move more infield to try and make himself available for the pass.
I would love a positional play slider or something, or ways to customize the roles further... similar to the older FM when they had the sliders. Like how you could tell your team to play more fluid or be more confined to the tactical instructions you gave them
Thank you! Hope to get something out on the wide midfielder. And the Central Midfielder role is floating around somewhere on the channel haha; did that one a couple weeks back
I would like to mention poacher-ap partnership. Poacher keeps CD busy, and push them away from AP, creating space for playmaker. Add two runners (IF[a] and CM[a]) and enjoy those lovely key passes from AP[s]. (also CM[a] will occupy DM, so one less body to press AP). :)
I don't like to use two playmakers, mainly because if I've got one in the tactic I want him to be the focus, so I build the tactic around him. Having multiple playmakers throws off how I structure the rest of the squad. And I haven't worked too much with it, but I also imagine you'd have multiple players following the ball around during the match. Not ideal for your team shape I reckon 😩 Not that it can't work of course! but I usually only have one
Something quite heartwarming for a Brit when an American likes football 😅 anyway I shall check this video out sure it will be great like your others, just playing FM now and will probably be changing my DLP to Advanced after watching this 😊
Thanks! And I don't use it a ton, but I'm not opposed to it or anything. I generally leave it up to the player or I'll use a player role that specifically moves into channels.
I think I was just trying some different roles around :) usually with an out-and-out striker in my tactic, I switch between the Advanced Forward and the Poacher.
@@volkanpalut1993 3 playmakers is a bit much. I would say 2 is doable. Perhaps when using a DLP as DM to help with the build up and AP on the wing to create chances. I feel like putting them next to each other would reduce the effectiveness of both and would be hard to balance for defense. I'm not sure if I would consider even using them at DM and AM at the same time. Oh, and in any case I think if you want 2 playmakers, the DLP should definitely be on defend duty. Tbh, I don't think using both in any configuration would be the most efficient use of roles but maybe you could do it for mega tiki-taka possession style based teams? EDIT: Now that I think about it, if you put the AP on one of the wings and stick a good wing back on his side to overlap, maybe give him a midfielder like mezzala or CM on attack to give him passing options and to create overload on one side, then put a good dribbler and finisher like an inside forward or raumdauter on the other wing to exploit the space (good off the ball too) that could be actually lethal. Then, if you would want a DLP on DM, I would definitely suggest the 3rd midfielder to be someone who runs a lot, perhaps a ball winner or more defensive minded B2B or CM (S).
@@Kirasuji mezzala and b2b stays too high just behind strikers and making huge gap between am and dm area. and at 3rd area they are waiting in penalty box just waiting cross and pass.
@@volkanpalut1993 I like having 5 players attacking the opposition box so that's fine for me. As for the midfield gap, I like to use inverted wing back and/or libero to have DLP playing off someone. In general I like to put more pressure on the opposition through aggressive runs but if you feel like you need more control in the midfield I guess CM (S) instead of B2B should be able to give you that.
I think they are different enough in where they play to be effective, may take a bit of work to get them going properly! Me personally, I like to use just the one. Mainly because I'll build a tactic around the playmaker and having two seems like too much work (that, and the fact that you would have two focus roles in your tactic.) Plus, I think other roles can pair well with each respective playmaker, rather than multiple playmakers. Just my opinion of course! You may have better luck than me!
I dont know why but in older fms like 17,18,19,20,21 the AP worked a lot better (for me at least), i would make my tactics all around them and they dictated the play, they would make a lot of key passes, they would be my main play builders and their average rating would be almost always above 7.0, but in more recent fm games i just find a way to get them to work consistently idk why, tried a lot of different things and it works very nicely sometimes but i cant find that consistency, and their average rating in matches is not above 7.0 unless they score goals, idk if the game engine changes have anything to do with that and makes the AP more static and not influence the game as much as before and when it comes to the average ratings idk if they are not giving as much value to key passes and passes in general.
I think it has something to do with passes and how the match engine determines the rating; i've noticed it a lot with strikers too (the poacher, for example). I hope they add in more logic for stuff like the hockey assist, or the pass that starts the counter, in FM25/future iterations
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Yes i agreed, the system should be revised for sure, i dont have fm 24 so i just play 23 for now, and its just stupid how my strikers always get 6.00 ratings every game they dont score... idk if this was changed in FM24 or not but in 23 is insane, every striker if they dont score and if they miss a change or 2 drop to a 6.. or even a 5... And for playmakers i noticed that too, the pass before the assist for the rating engine does not count and im pretty sure in past fms it counted a bit, somehow now dribbles count more for the rating than passes (?) should be changed for fm25 for sure, fully agree with you
After a match, when you're looking at the recap screen, there should be two buttons called "player statistics" and "analytical data". You can find every single stat you could every wish for with those two screens!
Hello everyone, I'm building a tactic and I'd like some support. My formation is a classic 4-4-2, and I want to implement a proactive style without overcommitting. Additionally, I'd like to attack both centrally and down the flanks. I've set up a back four with a Wing Back (Attack) on the left, a Ball Playing Defender (Defend), a Central Defender (Defend), and an Inverted Full Back (Defend) on the right. In possession, the defense should shift to a back three, with the Wing Back pushing forward to act as an additional winger. In midfield, I have a Wide Playmaker (Attack), a Central Midfielder (Defend), a Roaming Playmaker (Support), and an Inverted Winger (Attack). I’ve also considered using a Wide Playmaker (Support), a Defensive Midfielder (Defend), a Segundo Volante (Support), and Inverted Winger (Attack). The Central Midfielder (Defend) should provide balance, anchoring the midfield to counter potential counter-attacks and quickly recycling possession to other midfielders. The supporting midfielder needs to do a lot: contribute to defensive duties, support ball retention, and create opportunities to attack the space. The Wide Playmaker is designed to drift inside, leaving the flank open for the advancing Wing Back, creating playmaking opportunities and overloads on that side of the pitch. The Inverted Winger (Attack) should operate wide on the right, capitalizing on switches of play from the left, to either attack the goal or dribble along the flank to deliver crosses. The forward line consists of two strikers: a Complete Forward (Support) and an Advanced Forward (Attack). The Complete Forward is responsible for linking play, creating scoring chances, and scoring, while the Advanced Forward’s role is to lead the line, attack, and create space for others. Despite the detailed setup, I still have many doubts about how to achieve my goals, particularly regarding overlapping runs, maintaining possession, and breaking down opposition defenses. Additionally, I'm conceding too many goals. Beyond the minor differences in roles and duties, I’ve considered several tactical style variations: Balanced mentality with standard passing and higher tempo. Positive mentality with standard passing and standard tempo. Attacking mentality with standard passing and lower tempo or short passing and standard tempo. In all scenarios, I’ve set the instructions to "Play Out of Defence" and "Pass Into Space." Regarding the defensive phase, I believe it should adapt significantly to the opponent's style of play. Thanks to everyone who helps me out!
Hey there! Love the detailed description! It's always best to have a really detailed idea on how you want your team to play, since that makes it easier to see if it's working. Great work! Your defensive backline makes a lot of sense, I like having one BPD and one CD; creates a nice dynamic where they're both contributing a little to your attack. And the IFB will help keep possession. The midfield may be a bit too attack focused; there are two playmakers and (my personal tactical preference) is I don't like to use two playmakers since as we've learned, they're focus roles. I definitely love the idea of a 442 with 2 DM, and then using a SV instead of the RPM. Creates more of a threat in that attacking midfielder area. If you want to keep that traditional 442 shape, I think a Wide Playmaker, CM(D), BBM/CM, and IW could be good. For the strikers, this is a minor change for my personal style, but I think a Poacher may work a little better with a CF than the AF. The AF will drop and help with build up, and that's what a CF does, so you may not actually have a striker pressuring the backline at time. Again, minor difference, and depends because you may have a top AF that you want to move into channels. I think I would use the positive mentality to start; should help you keep possession a touch more, and allows your team to press a little more as well. One thing I like to do with a traditional 442 is compact our shape, meaning a higher defensive line and low block. The biggest weakness of a 442 is those gaps between the lines, so you want to reduce that or opponent's will pass right through. Love your setup and I think you've got a great idea and handle on how you want your team to play!! Excellent work and hopefully these ideas help out if you want a different approach
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker thanks boss for your advice! I really appreciated your suggestions, especially the ones about duble-regista vs SV and the AF vs Poacher! Honestly, I didn't fully catch your suggestion about possesion (my english is a limit), but I will try to follow your ideas! Thank you again, it's a plasure!
The RPM likes to dribble more. So you'll see them pick up the ball deep in their own zone and then dribble it up the field more often. The RPM will also win the ball back for himself, and the AP wants a teammate to win the ball for him
Let's take a moment of silence for my "Make Chelsea Great Again" save, where on the third season I fielded Roony Bardghji on the right, Nico Williams on the left and Florian Wirtz behind Benjamin Sesko and still got sacked
Great video as always, is there anyway you could do a video on how you watch the games to explain what you are looking for to know what to change please?
By far and away the GOAT when it comes to FM content. Love your breakdowns of all the roles, great in depth analysis that isn’t over complicated. Is there much difference between a AP (A) and a CM (A)? I’m currently running a 433 and can’t decide which to use as had success with both roles.
Hmmm; they're both different kinds of playmakers. It's more, do you want your playmaker to be more invovled with the build up (DLP)? Or do you want the playmaker to be a little more focused on attacking (AP)?
You win the award for the random athlete reference haha.. I can't complain about being compared to him, though I do concede his beard is much more majestic than mine
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Yeah I was like “no way” but then I stayed cause the video helped. I play a 4-2-4 and your breakdown of the advanced play maker helped. It meant that I put my wide attacking playmakers on Attack while my central play maker on support.
Could definitely work; I will say, the AP likes to roam from his position anyway since he follows the ball around. But that player instruction may get him into more advantageous positions that maybe aren't around the ball. Could leave him a bit less involved in the build up as the trade off
I am playing 3-4-2-1 DM , trying to imitate 2002 WC Brazil squad and focusing on counter attack. I often see very beautiful plays from my AP-A and his combos with the SS and DF-S. Sometimes AP acts the main goal scoring threat in several matches.
Great insight as always, I've spent countless hours in this game but still find these videos interesting AF. And it definitely inspires me to load my save and tinker with the tactics lol BTW which skin is that?
that's awesome!! I try to make them as interesting as I can, even if we may already be familiar with the role. And it's the Rensie Dark skin; I've added a link in the description to it!
the most romantic role in football manager, yet so hard to make it work. but your video was enlightening as always (raumdeuter was absolutely class, never understood that role before)
It's quite often for me to combine the Advanced Playmaker with Box-to-Box. It's a great combo because those two can create chaos in the front of the penalty box 😂
All my favourite roles mentioned on the supporting roles section, and I use them all in the same tactic (minus the cm on attack depending on which player I’m using) Love this role don’t think I’ll ever opt for a different playmaker (Also can confirm we do read these)
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymakerhave to agree since playing around with it a little, have been using a midfield with an anchor and a RPM as two dms with an AP further up the field and a poacher, got to admit it has produced some very organised chaos all with next to little instructions and letting the roles breathe
