Adventism and the Trinity Part 2 | Pastor Ron Kelly | Repost from February 2019 

Can we say that we are in the shaking. Those that will not hold to what the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy says is true will be shaken out. Those that will be left will be filled with the Holy Spirit and the latter rain will fall. We are so close to Christ’s second coming we all would be running from our worldly thing just like Lot and his wife did. I pray we might not be so attached to our things that we might loose heaven. Stand firm and fight a good fight of faith🙏🏻♥️

It is clear that this sermon has touched a nerve. God bless this man for what he is doing. Surely it is a message for our time. In supporting his efforts I have now drawn more discontent from so called "believers" than from those who make no claims.

I'm thinking this sudden controversy about the Holy Spirit is just another iteration of a "divide and conquer" tactic. In my memory there was the book of Daniel as interpreted by an Australian pastor, then the ordination of women and now the nature of the Godhead.

God and Jesus alone are to be exalted.

Wonderful 3 part series. This topic is a real tension in the church; along with the other things that do not glorify God or bring others close to Him. Maranatha! :)

Interestingly, the little horn took down THREE horns as it rose to power. Those THREE horns were all anti-trinitarian. ❤Jesus is THE SON OF GOD ❤ "For God so loved the world that He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in HIM shall not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 " The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate-a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father-one in nature, in character, in purpose-the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. “His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6. His “goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” Micah 5:2. 💥And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: 💥 “The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting.... When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him.” Proverbs 8:22-30." Patriarchs and Prophets pg 34

Christ in you the hope of glory. Col 1:27

There will be a LOT of surprised people when Jesus comes and says 'Depart from me, I never knew you." I do my best every day to stay in The Word. John 1:1

THE SECOND COMMANDMENT, THE TRINITY, AND THE OMNIPRESENCE OF GOD I always wondered what was so significant about the second Commandment that Rome found it necessary to remove it altogether from the Ten Commandments. But it appears that there is a fundamental truth in that Commandment concerning where God's presence is that is intended to protect us from all forms of false worship. The second Commandment tells us that we should not bow down before any image. This implies that God is not in any image. Which means that God is not everywhere. The Bible tells us that God is in heaven; and heaven is not everywhere. Heaven is above the earth and that is where we should direct our worship to God, where He is. He knows everything that happens everywhere and can go wherever He pleases but His abode is in heaven where Jesus, our High Priest and intercessor, is presenting our cases to Him. - "Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens" (Heb. 8:1). Furthermore, both the prophets Daniel and John saw God in heaven with the angels gathered around His throne and Jesus being separate and distinct (Dan. 7 and Rev. 4, 5). Daniel said "the Ancient of days did sit" (Dan. 7:9) and "one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days" (Dan. 7:13). John said "one sat on the throne" (Rev. 4:2) who was worshipped as the Creator to whom it was said "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created" (Rev. 4:11), with Jesus appearing before Him to receive a book and power and authority, as the Lamb who was slain, while the angels sang, "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." (Rev. 5:13). God is not everywhere all at once like a vapour while part of Him or an image sits on the throne representing Him. God Himself sits, of whom man was made in His image after His likeness, "made after the similitude of God" (James 3:9). Logically, if God is everywhere, He can be worshipped wherever He is. One could then bow down and worship before a stone, a tree, a person or any object, not as worshipping the object but as worshipping God, since God is in it. That would open the door for the worship of false Gods as no one would be able to tell the difference whether you are worshipping the true God or not. It would not be consistent to forbid worshipping before an object if God is in the object and one is worshipping, not the object, but God who is in the object. This is evident in the experience of the children of Israel in the wilderness. God appeared to them in a cloud and they were not forbidden to bow before Him in the cloud - "And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud" (Ex. 19:9), "And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door" (Ex. 33:10). If God is not in a particular place, say in an image, it means that there is at least one place where He is not. He cannot be everywhere and not everywhere at the same time. The idea that the Holy Spirit is God present everywhere was precisely the argument that Dr. John Harvey Kellogg put forward to justify his pantheistic teachings. And Ellen White told him that he was wrong. Initially, he said that God was in everything. And when God instructed Ellen White to oppose it, he modified it by saying that at the time of his first presentation of the matter in the book "The Living Temple" he did not believe in the Trinity. Because of that, he said he had not given a clear explanation of the matter. He went on to explain that he had now come to believe in the Trinity and could better explain his idea. The new explanation was that it was not God the Father, but God the Holy Ghost who was everywhere and in everything. Ellen White told him that he was wrong. And we can see why. If God the Holy Spirit is everywhere and can be worshipped, it is a doorway to replace worshipping God and Christ in heaven entirely. Another modified version of Kellogg's idea is that the Holy Spirit is really Christ himself or both God and Christ in an omnipresent form. This is also not correct as it places God and Christ on earth rather than in heaven. The pioneers of Seventh-day Adventism stated in their Fundamental Principles of faith published in the 1889 Yearbook that God was everywhere present by His representative, the Holy Spirit. At face value, this would suggest that this representative is omnipresent. But it is perhaps more consistent with scripture to say that He is everywhere present by His representatives the holy spirits. Holy spirits are ministering spirits sent from heaven - "And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." (John1:51). "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" (Heb. 1:14). This is consistent with the Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma that are translated in the Bible as spirit. These words are also translated spirits, thus indicating that the Holy Spirit need not be seen as one individual being who is omnipresent but many spirit beings representing God everywhere. From this perspective, there is no denying that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, sent at Pentecost is a person - only not a God-being to be worshipped. Like the Angel of Revelation 18 who comes down from heaven with the latter rain - a similar occurrence as that which took place at Pentecost except more extensive - the Comforter would be seen as a messenger sent by Christ from heaven, as stated repeatedly in John 14-16. Ellen G. White describing the latter rain speaks of a mighty angel from heaven being sent to do this work and further said, "Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven" (Ellen. G. White, Story of Redemption, p. 399). It should be noted that Jesus's warning against blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is not implying that the Holy Spirit is more to be revered than Jesus Himself. Jesus went back to heaven and promises to return to this earth to take us to His Father's house in heaven. He left the Holy Spirit to guide us until He returns. If we reject that guidance by blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, there will be nobody to guide us. The situation is like what God told the children of Israel in the wilderness - "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him." (Ex. 23:20, 21). It is simply warning us not to reject the Holy Spirit's guidance. It is not forbidding us seeking to understand who the Holy Spirit is or what the Holy Spirit does. So, there we have it. The church has now fully accepted Kellogg's idea. Ellen White said that the initial presentation by Kellogg was the alpha of deadly heresies. She said that the omega would follow shortly afterwards and would be accepted. And it did follow shortly afterwards in Kellogg's modified version, based on his acceptance of the Trinity. And the church has now fully accepted it - that God (the Holy Spirit) is everywhere and should be worshipped. So, based on current practice, Jesus is worshipped, the Holy Spirit is worshipped but the One true God is almost entirely ignored. Jesus, praying to His Father, made it clear who the "only true God" is and identified Himself as the one sent by God - "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3). Nowhere in the Bible is worship given to anyone else except the one seated on the throne who is referred to as "LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come" (Rev.4:8) and to Christ, the Lamb, as it will be in the new earth - "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." (Rev. 21:22). God is the Father of Christ. Accordingly, Christ, the Lamb is seen with "an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads" (Rev. 14:1). It is the name of the Lamb's Father that will be written in their foreheads. Whatever one's concept of the Godhead, the term "godhead" is used only three times in the Bible (Acts 17:29, Rom. 1:20 and Col. 2:9) and in none of these places is the expression used to replace the idea of God being a single individual who has a Divine Son who is worshipped alongside Himself. And not even once does the term "godhead" in scripture allude to the worship of anyone else. All worship should be directed to God and Christ in heaven. It is not about where we are when we worship but, like sending a petition to the king of England, we do not send it to Spain or Australia but to him in England where he is. Similarly, Jesus in teaching us how to pray directed that we say, "Our Father which art in heaven". We should not be praying to nor worshipping anything on earth. We should pray to God in heaven, approaching His throne through Christ, our Mediator, and we should direct our worship to heaven where God is. This is the substance of the second Commandment that Rome has removed.

the issue I have with this the more I see is are we a church of FROOME ? or ELLEN G WHITE AS OUR FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS FROOME uses EGW quotes and so did DES FORD use citation of EGW as we see this develop FROOME supersedes ELLEN G WHITE I see so many SDA PASTORS with their walls of books in there homes of WORLDLY WRITERS AND PHILOSOPHY

Thanks pastor Kelly for presenting this topic. May God enlighten those that are dividing our church

To those in the SDA church seeking an understanding of this subject, you will never know the multitude of falsehoods in this sermon unless you study this issue for YOURSELF and study it FROM the Bible with an OPEN HEART. As a nontrinitarian, I can tell you this sermon is riddled with falsehoods about what nontrinitarians believe. The claims made are calculated to deceive you and secure you in a belief of the false god of the trinity. If you want to know what we SDA nontrinitarians believe and why we hold to the teachings in our past history, GO TO A NONTRINITARIAN and ask. The truth needs no false pretensions to prop it up and it can bear investigation. But have confidence in this at least, that the explanations you get from a trinitarian about what nontrinitarians believe is going to be slanted at best, and a lie at worst. Prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.

A good sermon to go with this one is "Is Jesus Jehovah God?" - J Reynolds Hoffman. He covers some details that bring this subject clarity on the Triune Godhead. Maranatha! :)

May God help us sort through these confusing times as we trod the journey to the New Jerusalem. Our Father, Who art in heaven, hallowed be your most holy and righteous name, may your kingdom comes within our hearts and minds, may your will be done in our lives. We are calling upon you because there are so much confusion going on within your Church, and we are praying that you will give us wisdom, because you promised that if any of us lacks wisdom to ask of you, who gives liberally, so we petition your throne if grace for wisdom and understanding. I pray for your people like the way Moses your servant prayed for the Children of Israel in his time. Please be merciful to us for we are but dust. Please send us clarity and understanding towards the truth. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.

POPULAR ARGUMENTS FOR THE TRINITY ADDRESSED The Bible teaches that there are three powers in heaven: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But it did not say that together, they are the one true God, or that they are co-equal. The concept of God as a Trinity has been prevalent in pagan religions and cultures but entirely absent from the religion of ancient Israel, the apostolic religion and even the religion of later pioneers such as James White, Joseph Bates, J. N. Andrews, J. N. Loughborough, J. H. Waggoner, and others. The Seventh-day Adventist church requires that persons wishing to become members make a vow to believe in "one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.” whereas the Bible does not explicitly teach that. The previous vow that persons took prior to 1980 was belief in "God the Father, in His Son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Spirit", which the Bible clearly teaches. The church has not allowed views like those of the pioneers to be expressed in the church and has disfellowshipped or sidelined those who hold similar beliefs as the pioneers on this matter. The church then accuses those very persons whom they forced out of the church and who then operate outside of the church, of causing division or calling people out of the church. Is that fair? Or is it a repeat of Ahab’s accusation against Elijah? A few of the popular arguments for the Trinity are now addressed below. 1. Assertion: SDA pioneers only objected to the Catholic version of the Trinity. Response: The pioneers of Seventh-day Adventism fully understood the doctrine of the Trinity and rejected it as error. Later, some persons such as John Harvey Kellogg and S. N. Haskel spoke favourably of the Trinity but earlier pioneers who Ellen White described as laying the foundations of our faith consistently objected to the Trinity. There is a common definition of the Trinity that is shared by all Trinitarians, whether Catholic or otherwise, even though explained differently by various bodies. This definition as given in the dictionary is that the one God of scripture is three co-equal persons. The SDA Church expresses its trinitarian belief that “There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.” (SDA Fundamental Beliefs number 2). The definition of who is Catholic, as given in the Edict of Thessalonica expresses the same idea as follows: “let us believe in the one deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. We authorize the followers of this law to assume the title of Catholic Christians; but as for the others, since, in our judgment they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious name of heretics” (Edict of Thessalonica issued 380 AD). This definition of who is Catholic and who is heretic was used as the basis for persecuting God’s people during the dark ages and continues to define what is considered Christian orthodoxy by the World Council of Churches (WCC). The Basis of the WCC speaks of “one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” (Basis of the WCC, adopted by the Third Assembly (New Delhi 1961). The Bible teaches otherwise, as Jesus, in praying, stated that the one true God is His Father - “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3). 2. Assertion: The Hebrew word for “one” that describes God really means “united”. Response: The Bible says that God is one (echad). The word echad is the first counting number in Hebrew, as with the numeral one. In other places of the Bible God is described using similar words such as “only” (quoted above in Jesus’s prayer), “none else”, “no other”, “He”, “none like me”. The Jews themselves, in whose language the word echad is used to describe God, understood it to mean one individual. The one God (one supreme Being) of the Bible is Jesus’s Father - “For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named” (Eph. 3:14, 15). The Father has no co-equals. He is “the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see” (1 Tim. 6:15, 16). There aren’t three supreme beings, only One. All other beings are subject to Him. Another word that Trinitarians appeal to is Elohim, where God (Elohim) said “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness” (Gen. 1:26). They assume that God (Elohim) is three persons. The Bible does not say that. Ellen White explains, “I saw that when God said to his SON, Let us make man in our image, Satan was jealous of JESUS.” (Ellen G. White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 1, pp. 17, 18). God (the Father of Christ) was speaking to His Son only. His Son is “the express image of His person” (Heb. 1:3). Ellen White speaks again explicitly in the following words: “The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate - a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes”. “Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father - one in nature, in character, in purpose - the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” (E. G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 34). 3. Assertion: Jesus is co-equal with the Father Response: Jesus never claimed full equality with God, His Father, at any point in His existence. Before He came to earth, His Father anointed and appointed Him - “Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” (Heb. 1:9; see also verse 2). While He was on earth, He said “my Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). After sin is finished, He will still be subject to His Father - “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Cor. 15:28). 4. Assertion: The Holy Spirit is co-equal with the Father Response: The Bible does not speak anywhere of a third God-Being who has the image or likeness of God or “the similitude of God.” (James 3:9). There is no denying that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, sent at Pentecost is a person - only not a God-being to be worshipped. Like the Angel of Revelation 18, the Comforter carries out a work of worldwide extent and is aided by other heavenly beings. Ellen G. White describing the latter rain speaks of a mighty angel from heaven being sent to do this work and further said, "Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven" (Ellen. G. White, Story of Redemption, p. 399). The language of John 14-16 speaks of someone whom Jesus would ask the Father to send. That Person would not speak of himself but would speak only what He hears and would bring back to the minds of the disciples the things that Jesus would have told them - “he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak” (John 16:13). The three powers of heaven are God, Christ, and angels. There are many such references; for example: “I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things” (1 Tim. 5:21). These are the same ones who were present at the creation - “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? …. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4-7). Again, “Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne” (Rev.1:4). These seven spirits are later described as “seven lamps of fire” (Rev. 4:5) and as “the seven angels which stood before God” (Rev. 8:2). This is consistent with the Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma that are translated in the Bible as spirit. These words are also translated spirits, thus indicating that the Holy Spirit need not be seen as one individual being who is omnipresent but many spirit beings representing God everywhere. 5. Assertion: Ellen White led the church into a Trinitarian understanding of God. Response: Ellen White never used the term Trinity to describe God. She spoke of three persons of the godhead, which is consistent with the view expressed here that the Holy Spirit is a person, just not someone co-equal with God or to be worshipped. Regarding Ellen White’s statement that “In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived” (Desire of Ages, p. 530), the full statement shows that it is not Jesus Himself that is being described, but rather, life - which Jesus has and is able to impart. Here is the full statement as it was originally published in Signs of the Times: “In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ.” (The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1897; also Selected Messages, vol. 1, pp. 296, 297). Being described is the nature and quality of this life and not the origin of it. Original - not a pattern or copy, but something genuine, authentic. Unborrowed - does not have to be returned. Underived - not being drawn from a source; He has it in Himself. How He came in possession of it? It was given to Him by His Father. Jesus said: “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself” (John 5:26). The Trinity denies the most fundamental truth of the gospel that God loved us to the point of giving His only begotten Son to die for us (John 3:16). It was not an eternal God who cannot die, but the literal Son of God who did die and was raised from the dead by His Father (Gal.1:1).

The Pioneers had this as doctrine: The original Statement, published in 1872, 1889, 1905, and 1907-1914 (while Ellen White was still alive), read as follows The Godhead 1. That there is one God, a personal, spiritual Being, the Creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal, infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by His representative, the Holy Spirit. Psalm 139:7 2. That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, and Son of the Eternal Father, the One by whom God created all things, and by whom they do consist....

1 cor 8 v 6

Preach it, Pastor Kelly. God is with you.❤

What are the Common Errors Used to Defend the Trinity? When truth is posted on the Trinity to try and save souls, one of the errors below are typically given. Most do not have a love of the truth and just trust what some deceived Pastor tells them that does not want to lose his job. We are instructed to be like the Berean's and study the Scriptures daily to see if what we are told is true. (Acts 17:11) Do most people do this? No! Inspiration also gives a very serious warning to such people. “In the judgment men will not be condemned because they conscientiously believed a lie, but because they did not believe the truth, because they neglected the opportunity of learning what is truth.” - (EGW, PP 55.2) Most Adventists do the same thing Sunday keepers do when they are given the truth on the Sabbath. They quote the excuses the Pastor gave them! Sadly, most SDA's are no better. And the fact is, Sunday keeping and the Trinity both have the exact same origin! The Roman Catholic Church! This truth often gets denied and explained away also. Only the wise with a love of the truth will ever see the kingdom. Imagine if the kingdom was full of those who parroted what a Pastor said without checking to see if it is truth. We would have Adam and Eve all over again! Here are the common errors given by Trinitarians and why they are ignorance. Only those with a love of the truth will read and see. ____ 1 John 5:7 Wrong! This verse has added text that is missing from 99% of Bible translations and with good reason. The SDA Ellen White Estate, Bible Commentary and Biblical Research Institute all say this is a famous Trinitarian corruption and that SDA's must NOT use this verse! So why do they? ____ Matthew 28:19 Wrong! This verse in no way affirms the Trinity doctrine which states that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 co-equal, co-eternal beings that make up one God. Nobody denies there is the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. But this verse never says they are 3 beings, 3 gods, 3 in 1 or 3 co-equal, co-eternal beings or anything else. No Trinity here! ____ John 1:1 Wrong! This verse says Jesus was with His Father in the beginning of creation and that He Has the same Divine God nature as His Father as He came out of His Father! Nowhere does this verse teach 3 co-equal, co-eternal gods that are 3 in 1. Inspiration also says, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty,” - (EGW, Ms140, Sept, 1903) ____ Genesis 1:26 Wrong! The deceived claim “US” is 3 gods. Inspiration tell us it refers to the Father and Son only. “The Father and the Son engaged in the mighty, wondrous work they had contemplated, of creating the world. ... After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now GOD said to His SON, “Let us make man in our image. [GENESIS 1:26 QUOTED]” - (EGW, 1SP, 24.1,2) ____ Isaiah 9:6 Wrong! No 3 co-equal, co-eternal gods that are 3 in 1 in this verse either. Note the oldest manuscripts from 300 years before the cross read as follows. Isaiah 9:6 SEPTUAGINT “For a Child is born to us, and a Son is given to us, whose government is upon His shoulder; and His name is called the Messenger of great counsel; for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to Him.” Inspiration also says, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty,” - (EGW, Ms140, Sept, 1903) ____ Matthew 3:16 Wrong! Some say this verse reveals 3 gods at Christ's baptism. Inspiration says no! “Never before had angels listened to such a prayer as Christ offered at his baptism, and they were solicitous to be the bearers of the message from the Father to his Son. But, no! direct FROM THE FATHER ISSUES THE LIGHT OF HIS GLORY. The heavens were opened, and BEAMS OF GLORY RESTED UPON THE SON OF GOD AND ASSUMED THE FORM OF A DOVE, in appearance like burnished gold. The dove-like form was EMBLEMATICAL OF THE MEEKNESS AND GENTLENESS OF CHRIST. While the people stood spell-bound with amazement, their eyes fastened upon Christ, from the opening heavens came these words: “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” The WORDS OF CONFIRMATION THAT CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD were given to inspire faith in those who witnessed the scene,” - (EGW, RH, Jan 21, 1873) ____ John 10:30 Wrong! This is terrible ignorance. Jesus and inspiration reveal Jesus meant He and His Father are one in unity only! It also does not say I, the Father and Holy Spirit are one! John 17:22 “And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as WE ARE ONE:” John 17:11 “Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom you have given me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE.” “The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, BUT NOT IN PERSON. It is thus that God and Christ are one.” - (EGW, 8T 269.4, 1904) ____ The Bible calls the Holy Spirit “HE” so it must be a literal person. Wrong! The only verses that use “HE” and “HIM” are the following. (John 14:16-17; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and John 16:13) All these verses refer to the Comforter and Spirit of truth which is the “Spirit of Christ!” I can assure you that Christ even by “HIS” Spirit is still a “HE”! “This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” - (EGW, 14MR 179.2) “We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were His first disciples, but HE has sent HIS HOLY SPIRIT to guide us into all truth, and through this power we too can bear witness for the Saviour. [John 16:13 quoted]” - (EGW, Ms30, June 18, 1900) ____ Ellen White said the Holy Spirit is a literal person. Wrong! If people were honest and looked at what else she wrote, they would see she was referring to the Spirit of Christ. His Spirit can function like “another” separate from Himself and why she used the term third person. Christ sent “HIS” Spirit as it is like “another.” This is what so many miss. Inspiration wrote: The Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the Comforter is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the Spirit of truth is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the third person is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the third great power is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was HIS own SPIRIT, the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was HIS own SPIRIT, and the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST. ____ So the 3 are the Father, Son and Spirit of Christ who has His Father's Spirit as they are one in Spirit as Ellen White wrote. And inspiration wrote those exact words. Who does she say are the ONE, ONE and ONE? “They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” - (EGW, 9T 189.3, 1909) So there is the 3! Not 3 gods! Not 3 beings! But 2 beings and their Holy Spirit which is like a third person but NOT a literal third person! Satan created and inspired the doctrine of the Trinity to steal souls from the kingdom, and a Jesuit slowly brought it into the SDA Church. Do people listen to these facts? Not many! Why? Because some deceived SDA teacher is always trying to silence the truth with lies. How terribly sad. Supporters of the Trinity will perish because: 1) - It rejects the true Holy Spirit of the Father and Son in favour of some third god 2) - You get the mark of the beast. Why? Right day, wrong god! 3) - It denies Jesus is the literal Son of God which SOP and John said is antichrist 4) - It is idolatry and breaks the second Commandment by worshipping a false 3 in 1 god

The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. . 1SM 204.2

The full context of "silence is golden" It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, "the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in my name." [John 14:26.] "I will pray the Father, and he shall send you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him; but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." [Verses 16, 17.] This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter. Again Jesus says, "I have many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth." [John 16:12, 13.] There are many mysteries which I do not seek to understand or to explain; they are too high for me, and too high for you. On some of these points, silence is golden. Piety, devotion, sanctification of soul, body, and spirit-this is essential for us all. "This is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." [John 17:3.] "This is the will of him that sent me, that every one that seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life." [John 6:40.] 7LtMs, Lt 7, 1891, par. 13 - 7LtMs, Lt 7, 1891, par. 15 You see that ? "This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter." Christ is our Comforter. It is Christ who lives in us. May God, through his Holy Spirit, guide all who earnestly seek truth to find it. God bless!

How is it that Jesus named the Catholic Church as The Beast, Babylon the Great, The Whore and Antichrist, and still it is believed that she is correct when she profess the following: "The mystery of the Holy Trinity is the most fundamental of our faith. On it everything else depends and from it everything else derives. Hence the Churchs constant concern to safeguard the revealed truth that God is One in nature and Three in Persons". ALL of her false dogmas, including sunday-sabbath is based on the false personality of God. It is beyond all imagination that our church fell for that deception contrary to the fact that the Bible does not support it. I have come to the conclusion that it was meant to be that way. The Adventist Church is not the remnant. The remnant is a small minority within the Adventist Church.

Ellen White told the publishing house not to publish his book! Why would you now be promoting it?

"Nothing can be allowed to divide us." Amen, Pastor Kelly. Don't let Satan have his way in dividing our church. We are almost home, beloved!!!

Jesus is your brother. One intercessor between God man. Because ye are sons ,God has sent forth the spirit of his son into your hearts.... Did Jesus breathe the third person of the Godhead into his Disciples? Did Jesus ever pray that The Father and the Son and the Spirit be one in us ? Confusion. Jesus is everything and it's time to lift Him up. I'm always amused by the convoluted way they try to explain the trinity. One spirit, One Lord ,one baptism. I believe that the spirit of God is our everything. Love you all. Soon.......

Is this an issue over there in the Village church nowadays? 😮 it happened in Brazil when I used to live there, it also has happened here in Colombia where I am currently living now. It seems that the devil is bringing up the same issue and deceit everywhere.

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS TRUTH; UNCHANGEABLE TRUTH. THANK GOD FOR HIS MESSENGER. FALSE DOCTRINE WILL NEVER CHANGE THE FACT OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE PRESENCE OF THE GODHEAD. ONLY THOSE WHO WANT TO BE DECEIVED WILL BE DECEIVED. AS FOR ME I AM STANDING FIRM IN MY CONVICTION OF THE THIRD PERSON OF THE GODHEAD. AND NEITHER PRIDE NOR PRESUMPTIOUSNESS WILL DETER OR ALTER MY FAITH IN THE PERSONAL PRESENCE AND WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. JOHN 14:16--18 ; THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT JOHN 15:26 ; JOHN 16:7-- 14. PRAISE GOD FOR SENDING HIS HOLY SPIRIT TO TEACH US THINGS ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF THE GODHEAD IN OUR WORLD. JOHN 8:32 YOU SMALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.

I did not find the attitude Christ like. What Spirit is in control.

REVELATION CONFIRMS ONE GOD, ONE MEDIATOR AND HOLY SPIRITS Jesus said: “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord” (Mark 12:29). The scribe, to whom Jesus spoke, responded, “Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he” (Mark 12:32). To this, the Divine record says, “And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.” (Mark 12:34). Jesus considered the scribe’s answer a discreet one. Revelation confirms that God is one person, not three. In vision, John saw that “one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone” (Rev. 4:2, 3). The beings around the throne worship Him, saying “Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” (Rev. 4:11). He is the Creator. Separate from this Being who is called “Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come” (Rev. 4:8), we see Jesus, as the “Lamb that was slain” (Rev. 5:12). The beings in heaven worship both God and Christ, saying “Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.” (Rev. 5:13). The book of Revelation begins with a declaration of a chain of command: God gave to Christ, Christ gave to His angel, and the angel gave to John - “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John” (Rev. 1:1). There is no confusion here, and most people seem to understand this. The Revelation continues with greetings being brought to the seven churches from God, Christ and the seven spirits before God’s throne - “Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead” (Rev. 1:4, 5). This is where some people get confused - they say that it is not really seven spirits but one spirit - the ‘seven-fold’ spirit. But the Revelation is clear that the seven spirits are seven discrete entities, not one entity - “And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.” (Rev. 4:5). What are these seven lamps of fire before God’s throne, who can send greetings? They must be living beings! Is there any category of living beings who are described as lamps of fire? Let the scriptures answer - “And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.” (Heb. 1:7); and further, “But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?” (Heb. 1:14). There ought to be no confusion as to who these seven spirits are, who send greetings. But lest some say that they are still unclear, let the scriptures describe in further detail those who stand before God’s throne - “And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God” (Rev. 8:1, 2). Recall that it is the same scene in which the throne of God is described with seven lamps of fire before it, and the lamb came to Him that sat on the throne, took the book from His hand and started to open the seals of the book. The word of God is clear, for those who will receive it. THE PERSONHOOD OF THE HOLY SPIRIT The big challenge of most Trinitarians and Non-Trinitarians alike is that they fail to accept all that the scriptures say about the Holy Spirit without adding to it. Trinitarians accept that the Holy Spirit is a Person - He speaks, He can be grieved, He is sent, He is separate from Jesus, as seen when Jesus was in the water and the Holy Spirit appeared separately as a dove etc. - all scriptural; but they add to the scriptures by saying that He is co-equal with the Father and should be worshipped - totally unscriptural. Many Non-Trinitarians on the other hand reject all the scriptures that point to the Holy Spirit as someone that Jesus sends in His place to comfort us till He returns - “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you” (John 15:26); and “but if I depart, I will send him unto you” (John 16:7) etc. and claim that there is no third individual called the Comforter. The Bible and Ellen White are clear that there is a third being, the Comforter, who is sent to dispense spiritual gifts and coordinate the work until Christ returns. The Angel of Revelation 18 will come at the right time to do a similar but more extensive work. Ellen G. White describing the latter rain speaks of a mighty angel from heaven being sent to do this work and further said, "Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven" (Ellen. G. White, Story of Redemption, p. 399). Much of the confusion on the part of many Non-Trinitarians has to do with the fact that the mind is also called spirit. So, yes, Christ’s spirit (or mind) is in us, meaning that our minds (thoughts) are shaped by His mind through His word that we accept and believe, but this should not be confused with the fact that the Comforter is a separate being sent by Christ - just not a co-equal; and there is only one supreme Being, the Father of Christ, not three.

It is strange that these brethren who argue for the trinity doctrine do it with such arrogance and in the spirit of the Pharisees of Christ's days.

People become confused with the word " ONE" in Duet 6:4 The Hebrew language is NOT thebEnglish. The word one God is the word ehkward as in one people ot more than one . If God was the one and only the word one would be eesh. The Israelites knew what they were talking about we think we do Also the word " LORD" always refers to Jehovah. ThebFather , the Son and the Holy Spirit were aall called " LORD' Since the incarnation luke 24: 36-43, says Jesus is no longer a Spirit but a man as one of us . This is the reason why He gave us the Holy Spirit to take His lpace on earth after His resurrection John 16,17. The disciples relied on the Holy Spirit.to guide them in preaching the gospel

I think it is sad that so many people trust other people to explain the Bible to them, and thereby believe in philosophies not mentioned or explained in scripture. Think about how the following fact fits into a Trinity doctrine (IT DOESN'T FIT) : Christ now sits on His Fathers Throne, when the Father has put all enemies of Christ under His feet, then Christ receives His OWN THRONE, under God, His Father, who is also His God, according to scripture. 1Cor 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he (Jesus) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he (Jesus) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.25 For he (Jesus) must reign, till he (Father) hath put all enemies under his feet.26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be SUBJECT unto him (Father) that put all things under him, that God (Father) may be all in all. Rev 3:12,21 Him that overcometh will I (Jesus) make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me (Jesus) in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in HIS THRONE. Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Heb 1:1-14…when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high….But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom….But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool? “Our heavenly Father is the God of the universe, and Christ is the divine Son, the One equal with the Father.” 21LtMs, Ms 49, 1906, par. 26 “God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son.” CCh 76.5 Who is the God of the Universe? The Father or a Triune God? If Christ is given His own throne subject unto His Father, that sits as the God of the Universe on the heavenly Throne the philosophy of a Triune God sitting as a singular God on a singular throne is nonsensical.

I really appreciate more than 80% of pastor Ron's message. May the Lord bless his ministry. But I must say that to have a holier, happier Advent movement we need to at a minimum, follow Ellen White's appeal from Jeremiah 6:16, to return to the old paths where was good way, and we will find rest for our souls, our resting place. 1. I'm not sure what the package said, but Jesus didn't leave His disembodied spirit here, He is omnipresent. The rest of the last statement is found in 14MR23.3. I'll paraphrase: "The Spirit is Himself; [Jesus] would represent Himself by His Holy Spirit. Thus everyone can...." Please read the actual publication. There a biblical precedent for Jesus being in two places at once. "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.... For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off." (Exo. 23:20,23). It was the Spirit of Christ representing His Father on the mountain, and His bodily presence down in the camp. 2. Concerning Adventist non-trinitarianism, "Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth." (1 John 2:7-8)

ELLEN G WHITE has a whole book on TRUTH ABOUT ANGELS why is there no book on the TRUTH ABOUT THE THIRD BEING ??? silly question ? The apostle here contrasts the mortal state with the immortal; the present imperfect, with that which will be perfect; the cloudy present while we walk by faith, with the open glory of the life to come. Here, we only know in part, prophesy in part; there, that which is in part will be done away. Here, we see through a glass darkly; there, face to face. Here, we know in part; there, we shall know, even as we are known. Charity, or love, will never end. Here, it is the highest Christian grace; there, it will be the crowning glory of immortals forever and forever. In this sense, love will never fail. But prophecies will fail, tongues will cease, and knowledge will vanish away. The light of heaven through the dim medium of these, and the other gifts of the Holy Spirit, is represented as being only in part, and is to be superseded by the perfect day of glory when we may talk face to face with God, Christ, and angels, as our first parents talked with God in Eden before sin entered. But when? This is the vital question. When were the gifts to be done away? Let Paul answer: “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” “And let all the people say, Amen.” 3SG 14.1 face to face with God, Christ, and angels no 3rd PERSON

Bredrien, the words sound good. Truly not all that glitter is not gold. There's was a time when didn't have the spirit of prophecy because an organized body thinks it was of no importance to the ordinary folks. Yes, the Holy Spirit is a person, but it is not a person separate from the Father and the son. The Holy Spirit is Christ himself by his Spirit. Go and read the spirit of prophecy for yourself. The Godhead is not a trinity. The imparted Holy Spirit enabled His disciples, the apostles, to stand firmly against every species of idolatry and to exalt the Lord and Him alone. Who, but Jesus Christ by His Spirit and divine power, guided the pens of the sacred historians that to the world might be presented the precious record of the sayings and works of Jesus Christ? Ms 1, 1892, par. 5

Holy! Holy! Holy! Three Holy Beings Isaiah 6:3 "And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.”​ Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. “Did you catch that? That’s one “holy” for each person of the Godhead!“ You are born unto God, and you stand under the sanction and the power of the three holiest beings in heaven, who are able to keep you from falling. 7MR 267.2 “The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the three holy dignitaries of heaven, have declared that they will strengthen men to overcome the powers of darkness.”-5 Bible Commentary, 1110. (Manuscript 92,1901).

the Apostles Peter and Paul are buried in the catacombs under the Vatican. When Christ returns, the bodies of both Peter and Paul will be resurrected from under the Altar in the Vatican.*

n Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. “He that hath the Son hath life.” 1 John 5-12. The divinity of Christ is the believer's assurance of eternal life. DA 530.3 Milian Lauritz Andreasen (June 4, 1876 - February 19, 1962), a Seventh-day Adventist theologian, pastor and author. was such a staunch non trinitarian that when he saw that statement in Desire of Ages he couldn't believe that EGW wrote it. He went to her house in Elmshaven a decade later and only after that visit did he become trinitarian. Here's his testimony: "How astonished we were when Desire of Ages was first published, for it contained some things that we considered unbelievable; among others the doctrine of the Trinity, which was not generally accepted by the Adventists then. I was particularly interested, in the statement in Desire of Ages which at one time caused great concern to the denomination theologically: 'In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived' (p. 530). That statement may not seem very revolutionary to you, but to us it was. We could hardly believe it. ... I was sure Sister White had never written, 'In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived.' But now I found it in her own handwriting just as it had been published." ML Andreasen

SDA vs Catholic vs Anti-trinitarian CATHOLIC TRINITY The Trinity of the Catholic Church is derived from Greek philosophy and teaches that it is the Father who eternally generates the Son. The Son is seen as having been derived/begotten by the Father while the Holy Spirit proceeds from both. This implies that the generation of the Son depends on the Father theologically and that the Father is the only one without origin. The Catholic Church affirms the eternal subordination of the Son. ANTI-TRINITARIANS Anti-Trinitarians have substantial similarities to the Roman Catholic Church’s concept of the trinity. They seem to have inherited the Roman Catholic Church’s understanding of God with the Son in subordination to the Father having been begotten in a birthing event deriving his existence from the Father. This similarity is also seen in the procession of the Holy Spirit from both the Father and Son. SDA GODHEAD The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one Godhead or one God with three co-eternal, co-equal divine Persons each God, in perfect unity though distinct from one another, None is the origin of the others. The anti-trinitarians in reality are expounding Roman Catholic trinity doctrine. They are under a strong delusion and it is possible that Rome herself is at the head of their movement and has them deceived.

A new organization… sabbath lightly regarded as also the God who created it…without God.🙈

The Trinity There are three persons in one begotten God named SEIGNEUR (LORD) (All will be taught by God) "Je Suis"-Michel-Imanuel (Note that "Je Suis" is a real person) Such are the names of our Trinity, the name is the identity and this identity is an Angel. To act as God, the three persons of the trinity must act in unity. When the Roman church held in its hand the spear that pierced me, water came out (Spirit Imanuel) and blood (Angel Michel) Michel, stripped of his Angel and Imanuel of his Spirit, signaled the moment for the Trinity to act in unity. My Father Angel “I Am” was reunited with our person Michel and my Father Spirit “I Am” was reunited with our person/ange Imanuel. The trinity becoming one in “I Am”, I could now present God. My heavenly Father, who bears on him the Angel God, that is his Name, was also the depositary of the Spirit God. As the LORD does not need an additional spirit, he gave the gift of this Spirit to Jesus. The angel Jesus and the Spirit of God merged and this is how Jesus became the son of God in heaven. (A new heaven was created) The person Jesus stripped of its identity received a new name: “Michel” the Angel of the alliance, The Redeemer

Elijahandmoses. Y.i. 1898 say Christs HUMANITY died not His DIVINITY. Jesus is the resurrection and the life. John 10:17,18. His body did not corrupt in the tomb Psa 16:10. and He would have been dead for 40 hours or so. He didnt rely on His Father for this life.

I believe in scripture. There are 2 Supreme powers in heaven. The Father and His only Begotten Son, and its their Spirit that is working on the face of this earth. The Bible teaches this wonderful truth. Pray and open the Scriptures to John chapters 14, 15, 16, 17 its there, so clear. The trinity doctrine has been adopted in the GC in 1980 and has now gone back to Rome and the whole ecumenical movement under the trinity doctrine. Its sad that this has happened. The mainline SDA church is in error. The pioneers did not believe in a trinity god. Spirit of prophecy does not teach trinity. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, time and time again. Lord have mercy on us. We are united with Roman Catholicism unless their is repentance. I repent from this trinity doctrine. How about you my Brothers and my Sisters.

I live in NY and got one of those packets; I have no idea who sends them to me but have received them for years. They are confusing and now I refuse to open them, they just go in the trash. I do have a feeling who may have sent them though; they always come to me directly no matter how many address changes I have. Weird.

Thou shalt have no other gods before ME. Who is the ME?

Ellen White tells us over and over Who Is The Holy Spirit is. Look at all these quotes. Same answer every time! And yet the deceived always cherry pick what can be misunderstood on its own and they NEVER reconcile these quotes with the quotes below. If you cannot reconcile all she wrote, then you are supposed to have the intelligence to know you have something wrong. But the deceived NEVER do that and so are easy to spot... “The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” - (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3) “but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST, and that Spirit affects the heart and the character.” - (E.G. White, Ms36-1891) __________________ THE COMFORTER IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST: “This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” - (E.G. White, 14MR 179.2) “Let them study the seventeenth of John, and learn how to pray and how to live the prayer of CHRIST. HE is THE Comforter. He will abide in their hearts, making their joy full.” - (E.G. White, RH, Jan 27, 1903) __________________ THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST: “JESUS comes to you as the SPIRIT of TRUTH; study the mind of the Spirit, consult your Lord, follow His way.” - (E.G. White, 2MR 337.1) “We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were His first disciples, but HE has sent HIS HOLY SPIRIT to guide us into all truth, and through this power we too can bear witness for the Saviour. [John 16:13 quoted]” - (E.G. White, Ms30, June 18, 1900) __________________ THE SPIRIT BREATHED ON THE DISCIPLES WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST: “And when He had said this, He [Christ] breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: ... Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, CHRIST breathed HIS SPIRIT upon them.” - (E.G. White, DA, p. 805) “JESUS is waiting to BREATHE upon all his disciples, and give them the inspiration of HIS sanctifying SPIRIT, and transfuse the vital influence from HIMSELF to his people.” - (E.G. White, ST, Oct 3, 1892) __________________ THE SPIRIT GIVEN AT PENTECOST WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST: “Outpouring of the Holy Spirit at PENTECOST-Christ ascended on high, to take His position as our Advocate in the heavenly courts. Having reached His throne, HE SENT HIS HOLY SPIRIT, as He had promised, in response to the prayers of His disciples.” - (E.G. White, 10MR 98.1, 1899) “When the HOLY SPIRIT was poured out upon the early church, 'The whole multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul.' The SPIRIT of CHRIST made them one. This is the fruit of abiding in Christ.” - (E.G. White, GCDB, Feb 6, 1893) __________________ THE SPIRIT THAT REPRESENTS CHRIST IS HIS OWN SPIRIT: “CHRIST came to our world, but the world could not endure His purity. He has gone to His Father, but HE has sent HIS Holy Spirit to REPRESENT HIM in the world till he shall come again.” - (E.G. White, Ms1, Jan 11, 1897) “CHRIST has left HIS Holy Spirit to be HIS REPRESENTATIVE in the world, to give celestial aid to every hungering, thirsting soul.” - (E.G. White, Lt84, Oct 22, 1895) __________________ THE THIRD GREAT POWER IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST: “CHRIST has given HIS SPIRIT as a divine POWER.” - (E.G. White, RH, Nov 19, 1908) “They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” - (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909) __________________ THE THIRD PERSON IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST: So who is the third person who is the “ONLY” one who can overcome sin in you? “There is NO POWER in you apart from CHRIST, but it is your privilege to have Christ abiding in your heart by faith, and HE can OVERCOME SIN in you, when you cooperate with His efforts.” - (E.G. White, OHC, 76.5) “With HIS SPIRIT CHRIST sends a reconciling influence and a power that TAKES away SIN.” - (E.G. White, RH, May 19, 1904) __________________ THE THIRD PERSON IN THE HEAVENLY TRIO IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST: “They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” - (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909) THIRD PERSON = ONE + ONE + ONE = “the Spirit of Christ.” __________________ The answer never changes. There are a few quotes from Ellen White that can be misunderstood on their own, which a Jesuit used to bring the Trinity doctrine into the SDA Church. But letting SOP explain SOP, there is no mistaking she was referring to the SPIRIT OF CHRIST every time. So since she said the “Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ,” she also said: The Comforter is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the Spirit of truth is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the third person is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the third great power is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was HIS own SPIRIT, the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was HIS own SPIRIT, the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST, and she reveals over and over again that there are only two beings.

we as a church the closest to the HOLY SPIRIT EXPERIENCE IS EGW so rejecting EGW is rejecting the HOLY SPIRIT

Temple of God the Holy Ghost Compare 1Co 6-19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? With 2Co 6-16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Conclusion: The Holy Ghost is the living God.

A man named Kellogg the alpha of apostasy

EGW says both JESUS and holy SPIRIT are subject to FATHERS WILL 3SG 14.1 The apostle here contrasts the mortal state with the immortal; the present imperfect, with that which will be perfect; the cloudy present while we walk by faith, with the open glory of the life to come. Here, we only know in part, prophesy in part; there, that which is in part will be done away. Here, we see through a glass darkly; there, face to face. Here, we know in part; there, we shall know, even as we are known. Charity, or love, will never end. Here, it is the highest Christian grace; there, it will be the crowning glory of immortals forever and forever. In this sense, love will never fail. But prophecies will fail, tongues will cease, and knowledge will vanish away. The light of heaven through the dim medium of these, and the other gifts of the Holy Spirit, is represented as being only in part, and is to be superseded by the perfect day of glory when we may talk face to face with God, Christ, and angels, as our first parents talked with God in Eden before sin entered. But when? This is the vital question. When were the gifts to be done away? Let Paul answer: “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” “And let all the people say, Amen.” face to FACE WITH GOD + CHRIST AND THE ANGELS where is this 3rd PERSON ? we are going down a path of man made inventions

Then why are you here following this shepherd, smh!

The Information Below Can Save your Soul! Please do not assume no matter how sure you may think this cannot be. If you do not know these facts, this would be one of the most important things a Christian could ever read. 1) - The Jews who wrote the Bible have ALWAYS been non-Trinitarian! 2) - The 3 in 1 god idea comes from sun worship in Babylon! 3) - The DOCTRINE of the Trinity did NOT EXIST until over 200 years AFTER the Bible was written! 4) - Hence the Bible is in fact a non-Trinitarian book! 5) - God raised the Seventh day Adventist Church as non-Trinitarian! 6) - Hence the SDA pioneers were non-Trinitarian! 7) - Ellen White was a Trinitarian Methodist but became non-Trinitarian when God revealed the truth to her! 8) - The word “TRINITY” did not exist in our fundamental beliefs until 1931, 16 years AFTER the death of Ellen White, and this was not approved by the GC! 9) - Non-Trinitarian Sabbath School lessons were still coming from the GC in 1936! 10) - The Trinity was not officially voted in until 1980, which was 65 years AFTER the death of Ellen White. It would have been official before her death if it was truth. It is Satan that does things slowly, as a change could not be done quickly as it would be noticed. 11) - It was a Jesuit called LeRoy Froom that removed the non-Trinitarian statements from our pioneers books as Ellen White warned would happen! 12) - Froom searched over 100,000 pages of her writings for anything that could be mistaken as being Trinitarian and found a small handful of quotes that could. He placed these quotes into the book Evangelism, which was compiled in 1946! 13) - The quotes are misunderstood because most do not know that Ellen White says the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ! Thus she taught that the Comforter, Spirit of truth and the Spirit that Christ breathed on His disciples was His OWN Spirit! 14) - Ellen White states that the “third person” in the “three great powers” and the “heavenly trio” is in fact the Spirit of Christ! So we also find that she called the Spirit of Christ a “person” which is where most of the confusion comes from. She calls His Spirit a person because His Spirit can function independently of Himself and so it is like it is another person! 15) - Ellen White never called the Father, Son and Holy Spirit a Trinity or Triune God or used the pagan three in one formula in any way. She also never used the Catholic phrases “god the son” or “god the holy spirit” used by Trinitarians. She used the term “third person” only to refer to the Spirit of Christ and hence is different to the Trinitarian meaning. 16) - Hence she never used the terms “first person” or “second person” since third person was non-Trinitarian to her. 17) - In 1905, Ellen White wrote that God told her to reproduce the works of the pioneers that were anti-Trinitarian. 18) - The Church stopped printing their official stand of no Trinity in the Yearbook the year Ellen White died. It could not be done while she was still alive. 19) - It is claimed Ellen White became a Trinitarian before 1895 when she wrote the Desire of Ages, and yet this book is full of non-Trinitarian quotes! She also wrote in 1905 that she never changed anything. New light cannot contradict old light, or the old light is a lie. God does not lie. __________ What is the Trinity? The Trinity teaches 3 co-equal, co-eternal gods that are 3 in 1, which means they cannot be a real Father and Son. This is not found in Scripture! What does the Bible teach? The Bible teaches a “real Father” and a “real Son” who live in you by Their Holy Spirit! __________ Why is it important? Because if you get this wrong, nothing else matters. You perish! Here are four reasons the Trinity results in losing your salvation! 1) - It rejects the true Holy Spirit being the Spirit of the Father and Son. The Trinity makes the Holy Spirit a third god they call “god the holy spirit” which Scripture NEVER says. This was Satan's idea to get worship. 2) - You will get the mark of the beast. Why? Because you not only have to keep the true Sabbath, but you also have to worship the one true God of the Sabbath. Not a pagan 3 in 1 god which is a false god. Right day, wrong god! So you still get the mark of the beast. And hence you cannot teach the 3 angles messages with the Trinity either! It requires teaching the truth on the real one true God, not some pagan 3 in 1 god! (Revelation 14:7) 3) - It denies Jesus is the literal Son of God, which the Apostle John and Ellen White wrote is antichrist. Why? Because it is against (anti) Jesus being the literal Son of God. And since it denies Jesus is a Son, it also denies God is a real Father. (1 John 2:22-23; 4:15; 5:5; 5:10-12, John 20:31, E.G. White, PP, p. 686.1 and RH, March 8, 1906, p. 9, James White, RH, Dec 11, 1855, p. 85) 4) - It breaks God's law. It is idolatry and breaks the second Commandment. The Trinity is a false pagan 3 in 1 god and hence it is idolatry and fornication. (Exodus 20:2-10) __________ Is Jesus God some ask? Jesus Christ is the begotten Son of the one true God the Father, and being the Son, He possesses the same attributes and characteristics as His Father. Hebrews 1:1-9 says that Jesus is an heir who has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than the angels and that name is God! So Jesus inherited His Father's name, character and divine nature in the same way a human son inherits the human nature and name of his parents. So Jesus is God because He is the Son of God. But He is not “a” god or “the” God. He is the “Son of God.” “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty,” - (E.G. White, Ms140, Sept, 1903) __________ What about the Holy Spirit? “The terms “Holy Ghost”, are a harsh and repulsive translation. It should be “Holy Spirit” (hagion pneuma) in every instance. This Spirit is the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ; the Spirit being the same whether it is spoken of as pertaining to God or Christ. But respecting this Spirit, the Bible uses expressions which cannot be harmonized with the idea that it is a person like the Father and the Son. Rather it is shown to be a divine influence from them both, the medium which represents their presence and by which they have knowledge and power through all the universe, when not personally present.” - (Uriah Smith, RH, Oct 28, 1890) Thus Ellen White wrote: “The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” - (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3) Thus the real truth is that the “Holy Spirit” is the presence and power of God and of Christ which can function independently of themselves like a third (but not a literal third) and is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present. __________ Two common errors 1 John 5:7, it is missing from 99% of Bible translations with good reason. It is a well-known famous Trinitarian corruption. And Matthew 28:19 does not say 3 co-equal, co-eternal gods that are 3 in 1. It just says Father, Son and Holy Spirit, which is Biblical. __________ Jealous of God's Son, Satan wants us to deny Jesus is the literal Son of God. The satanic doctrine of the Trinity does this which the Apostle John called antichrist. The idea of the Holy Spirit as another being was Satan's idea so he could get worship for his creation. It is very sad when people reject a real Father and Son and Their Holy Spirit in favour of an idea from Satan to get your worship and keep souls from the kingdom. “But to us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things, and we by him.” 1 Corinthians 8:6 “And this is life eternal, that they might know you the ONLY TRUE GOD, ---and--- JESUS CHRIST, whom you have sent.” John 17:3 It is time to wake up people…

Acts 5-3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land? 5-4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

The Holy Spirit is a Person who speaks. Act 8-29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. Act 10-19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Act 13-2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. In these verses, it is evident that the Holy Spirit is speaking Himself. There is no evidence in these verses that anyone is speaking through Him. The Holy Spirit is very much a Person The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” Manuscript 20, 1906. Personality of the Holy Spirit.-We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.-Manuscript 66, 1899. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.) {Ev 616.5}

The Spirit of God is NOT God the Spirit Jesus said there is ONE true GOD not 3. and OT Due 4:6

The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. Ms93.1893.8 Distinct means "not the same as" "another" Until you understand what it means by personify you will struggle with how the Holy Spirit can "become Christ to us" while a distinct Person. He takes on personality, thoughts and words of Christ on his behalf. He knows the mind of Christs and the Father's thoughts. 1 Corinthians 2:11 - even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Definition of Personify Personify- embody, epitomize, exemplify, manifest,typify, express, image, imitate, impersonate, materialize, mirror, substantiate.

John 8-24 I (Jesus speaking) said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Please note that “he” is not in the original Greek and is italicized to indicate that it was supplied by the translators. Therefore, what Jesus really said here was “I AM,” therefore making it another declaration of his Godhood that he is a divine, eternal, pre-existent, infinite, perfect Being. Christ is Israel’s God. See Exodus 3-14 and under John 8-58). Thus the correct translation of Jesus' words. John 8-24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins.