Adyr and the Rhogar Explained | Lords of the Fallen Lore 

when you realise how callous and treacherous Orius can be, and how the Putrid Mother is a mindless entity that wants to consume all. couple that with the way Adyr treats humanity, and his survival of the strong mentality... yeah... 3 poisons for you to pick from, none of them good for anyone. the least "bad" ending is where Orius smites all the non-believers and keeps the rest of humanity in a type of cult for the rest of their lives.

The inferno ending is the only ending where you live. Orius smites you in the radiance ending because he no longer needs you or your heretical umbral lamp. He doesn't reward you for your service. He just annihilates you because you are a loose end. Adyr recognizes and respects your efforts to free him from his prison. As a result, he rewards you for your service by making you a rhogar lord.

@@user-wm1wp9ms2uAnd as a Rhpgar Lord, we can attempt to lessen the rage of Adyr by reminding him of his own words

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Those who were smited deserved it. Your character saw what the lamp did to others. Umbral corruption is awful and while he still drew breath there was always a chance he could fall and release the putrid mother. Orius is the God of self sacrifice. Only fitting his champion would do the same

@@Connordaboss45 Yeah, it's not like Orius could offer the lampbearer the choice to part with the lamp before smiting them. The lampbearer was manipulated, used and later discarded; it's as simple as that. There's a difference between self-sacrifice to stop the threat under the banner of your god and getting unexpectedly killed by your god after you stop the threat.

@@Sometuy11A the lamp corrupts all who touch it. Even those who get rid of it.

@@Connordaboss45 Could you elaborate on what you mean by 'corrupt' in this case?

@@Sometuy11A Every single bearer of the lamp has later down the line gone insane or homicidal. Once you connect with the putrid mother you don't unconnect. There's even a soul memory of a guy in the mines who everytime he closes his eyes he see the putrid mother. You don't gaze at cthulu and come back.

Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed!

Happy you enjoyed and gotta give credit where it's due. You've a keen eye for the lore details!

@@TheLorebrarians The fact I'm getting such a compliment from my favorite lore channel makes it a thousand times better, thank you.

@@TheLorebrarians As far as what is meant by his title of bereft exile, I think you are correct that it is both a loss of his followers and of his home. "The world in which you exist is my world, my home, and yet mankind-my own creation-exiled me from it. You have no idea what it is to suffer a monstrous betrayal or to endure the ages of torment that follow!" I theorize that the human-like creatures in his boss area are his attempt at recreating humans. We know he is not at all satisfied by the inherent obedience and love the Rhogar have for him, so it makes sense that he'd try and create beings that resemble his original creation. It kind of reminds me of Hepheastus in God of War 3, who spends his time in a fiery pit of Hades trying to recreate his daughter and failing over and over.

Adyr was probably not the vile tyrant he's painted to be, I suspect; however, it was his inaction that led to the rebellion. Items related to Iselle seem to imply that Adyr wasn't really involved in the everyday lives of humans and just protected them from enemies of humans like the Grouk empire, which fits with his statement about being mankind's guardian (note how he doesn’t try to take credit for the creation of any other race). He's extremely vindictive and cruel by the time of his second return, though. I like to think his exile and torment turned him into exactly what his detractors declared him to be. His trust forever broken as evidenced by his intention to keep the Rhogar around as enforcers. I'd still go with Adyr over Orius, though. The former would persecute me for my beliefs, while the latter would persecute me for both my beliefs and for what I am. Touched by something Orius loathes at no fault of your own? Oblivion is what you get while you can feign loyalty to Adyr.

I think it’s a mix of both as religion will always reach a point of grey reality. Judge Cleric became disillusioned over how she had to act when under Adyrs rule yet at the same time, the same occurred with the Hallowed Sentinels over time with Adyrs Rune pushing the corruption along.

One is a dumbass who is followed by demonic pure evil creatures, the other is an effective manipulative tyrant that oppresses many but still keeps some order. I’ll go with Orius, at least some decent people can follow him, like Pieta and the flag guy.

I think Adyr just wants to save us, so i stay on his side.

Adyr I side with, i mean im sure the judges and judge cleric (was sane once) had their reasons but it feels like they didn't really do much good or advanced progress as they like to think. Adyr is really unknown card but I've a feeling it'll be very good for us (especially if you believed in him already) and definitely not for the rebels.

I love the Dark Souls/FromSoft games. I feel like there are already so many great lore channels that it'd be difficult to break into the niche, but who knows? Maybe I'll have a foray into it and see how it goes. Appreciate it!

@@TheLorebrarians It's probably a good idea to jump on the FromSoft Lore train, with the coming of the Elden Ring DLC. Your narration would be just the best, I feel your storytelling is just unique. Some videos on Blasphemous and fear and hunger in the future would be awesome; of course, if you do enjoy them, that is. And let's hope for a LOTF sequel, because with how well the studio handled the lore and worldbuilding of their first game, I'm sure the continuation of this epic will be on a whole new level entirely (hopefully no rushed game next time though so it can really shine).

That’s why I think the Umbral ending is most likely the true ending. The developers said there wouldn’t be any sequels so this is likely implying that the ending with an actual final boss that also ends in the end of the world, is probably the canon ending of the game

@@wizardwolf1020Did they actually confirm this will be the final installment of LOTF? That would be such a waste if true.

@@Sometuy11A I know but maybe someone can convince the dev team to continue the world in different types of game rather than being souls-like or just try to get them to continue it in general. Hell, I’d be fine with a show or book series if it means getting more lore and story

@@wizardwolf1020They have such a gem here and I hope they don’t abandon it. I’ll accept any format as long as I get more of its lore.

@@Sometuy11Atime to develop lords of the fallen 2! I’m right with you the lore of this game is very good and has kept me from going insane as I await elden ring dlc

I think perseverance against autocrats will mostly be down to how much of a chance the resistance thinks they have rather than how bad things are necessarily. The rebellion, with the aid of judges, overwhelmed Adyr's human army; the Rhogars he then created to bolster his worshippers were ineffectual against the judges, and the trio dispatched the lords relatively easily (the judge warrior beat one to death with his bare hands). The Rhogar might be very scary-looking and brutal, but with such streaks of victory behind them, it's clear why they kept fighting. You don't abandon a war when you're winning especially when giving up means certain death. Meanwhile, in most myths and religions, gods have no problem visiting plagues upon lands, causing famines, ordering a land to be razed of any living being on it, and flooding the entire planet, yet in most of these stories, the mortals under their heels never rise up, mostly because they lack a way to overthrow their divine despot. You are correct, though. Adyr thinks his rule was absolutely perfect and for his children's own good, something a lot of them clearly don't share so when they had the opportunity to change it they did.

@@Sometuy11AI mean if the Judges and the rebellion were able to destroy most of Adyr’s human army than there’s clear some issue with his rule. If Adyr was this noble guardian of humanity than he should’ve been easily able to gain millions for an army.

@@hatefulgaming1800 Not really surprising considering the rebellion had three demi gods that were able to slaughter even the Rhogar lords and armies of regular Rhogar; they were the decisive factor in the conflict, not the number of humans on either side, quality vs quantity. And Adyr likely just protected humans from external threats; items tied to Iselle clearly indicate he didn't really help many of his children live what they would consider prosperous lives. Edit: Some of the text the lorebrarians quotes even suggest that the rebellion entirely fled and hid from the Rhogar lords, but the judges stayed and fought. The judges > Rhogar lords > rebellion. Adyr's human army could have had far superior numbers, and they would have still been crushed, if the Rhogar couldn't do it, a much more massive human army certainly wouldn't change the course of the war.