Aerobatics in a Bonanza 

I am sure the NTSB would appreciate a video record of what led to the in-flight break-up! 😁

Martin Pauly they can recover them from the wreckage though... 😉

I bet it was! - Martin

Thanks, Gary. Hopefully I can get used to this type of flying so I won't need the bag in the future. - Martin

Thank you, James. Getting used to the motion and building a tolerance is important. Probably a good reminder for me as I am beginning to train new students, now that I am a CFI. 😁 - Martin

My pleasure, Andrew! - Martin

These were easy maneuvers to fly, once I could "feel along" on the controls when Scott demonstrated them. And maybe some beginner's luck! 👍 - Martin

Glad you enjoyed it! - Martin

Thank you, Ken! - Martin

Thanks, Gordon. Fun, yes - it's made me hungry for more, though I expect most of my flying will remain cross country (read: straight and level). - Martin

Thanks - I bet this will get more comfortable with practice. - Martin

@@martinpauly When I used to take people in sailplanes for their first ride, many discovered they could not handle the tight turns inside thermals as well. You will feel some minor G-forces while doing that and some just can't handle it. But many said they were getting used to it.

Yes, good analysis, Mike! 😁 - Martin

Thank you, Lech - it sure was fun! - Martin

It was fun! I hope I can do more of this in the future. - Martin

I agree!

There are lots of things like that - including the glider rating you mentioned. Tailwheel is another one. Slow flight, spins, upset recovery training - also a great idea! - Martin

Yeah, try it sometime - maybe plan from the start to keep the flight short, so that you can be back on the ground before things get too bad. - Martin

In 35 years of flying I can count on one hand the number of times I had to use "the bag". It's not pleasant at the time, of course, but I wouldn't want to have missed the aerobatics intro just to avoid it. Best, Martin

@@martinpauly So far, knock cranial wood, I've not needed one in the air (a boat is a different story). Not even after spin training (that I didn't enjoy). But never say never and heck yeah! If having to use the bag to experience what you did is the criteria, I'm in!

Glad you enjoyed it! - Martin

Then there is hope for me yet! 😁 - Martin

Thank you, Jim - glad you enjoyed it! I haven't stalled a V-tail yet, but the 33 and 36 models are pretty easy. - Martin

I bet it'll get easier (on my stomach) with practice, Cindy. - Martin

@@martinpauly I know the feeling as I were in your shoes last year, Martin. First time you don't have any idea what to expect and how your body responds, so you might be right. Maybe start with a warmup (some G turns) and a looping next time. Was great to see you smiling and don't give up! :-)

Thanks, John. - Martin

Thank you - glad you enjoyed it! 😁 - Martin

Glad you enjoyed it! - Martin

Thanks, Don! - Martin

Anything else you'd like me to write down for any future purposes? ;-) lol

The split S was fun. Definitely pulled more G than the aileron roll, though - those were benign. I should try this again on a cooler day sometime. - Martin

Have you published a video on this yet? I haven't seen one, but then again, I've been busy the last few days. Oh, I guess I did watch it, a month ago! Oops. Memory goes when you're getting old.

@@GaryMCurran I did. Look for a video on my channel called we rolled a Bonanza. I was quite a bit more nervous than Martin but still had a lot of fun

@@JustPlaneSilly Bryan, as I said to Martin, I'm getting old, and forgetful. I watched it right after you posted it, about four weeks ago or so (according to the time stamp on the video)

Thanks, Allan. - Martin

Rollercoasters: I love them! I'll ride them any day! Tilt-a-whirl: I get sick just watching those things. I cannot handle spinning motion well. - Martin

@@martinpauly I am the same way. ROFL

I can watch it on the screen without trouble, David. Unlike videos of tower climbers - I am terribly afraid of heights, and those videos are too much for me. - Martin

Thanks, George. I'm hungry for more now! 👍 - Martin

You can do aero in anything if you’re brave enough 😂

Chad Dossett you have a good point haha.

@@freelanceastronaut8692 ONCE!

Gary C you’re not wrong there.

Most Bonanzas aren't. This one (F33C) is. - Martin

Oh no - I made you sick on that flight? I did not remember that. Glad it didn't discourage you from flying gliders yourself afterwards, Frans. - Martin

Martin Pauly after our flight i was absolutely certain to want to learn to fly gliders and i did :-) when flying with a guest of the airfield at home i would remember to give a smooth gentle glide path - except once when i had the last flight of the day on an ask-21 with a guest and i came in rather high (over the power lines along the A50 Arnhem-Apeldoorn) to a short field in front of the hangar. That called for losing height fast hard and safely which startled the guest, understandably.

Thanks, Dennis, but this had little to do with my skills. These are fairly simple maneuvers to fly, and after having felt the controls when Scott demonstrated them, they were easy to execute. Best, Martin

@@martinpauly You are being modest Martin, which is one of the things we love about you!

Also Juan getting a word or two in! :-)

I haven't flown one of those yet, Mike - but would love to! Hopefully without getting nauseous again 😁 - Martin

Danke, Patrick! 😁 - Martin

Looks like we both have something to work on, Bob! - Martin

@@martinpauly Maybe even less than 15 min. We did a Aileron Roll, Inside Loop, and a Hammerhead and it was i could handle to not use the bag. I was ill for several days after ...LOL

No, I didn't... 😁 This was late morning, after breakfast. It was a VERY hot day, over 100 degrees F. And getting people excited about trying this themselves was my goal - with an instructor, of course. Go for it! 👍 - Martin

I can highly recommend it - of course only with an instructor who knows aerobatics. - Martin

Hopefully I can build a tolerance over time. It was so much fun! - Martin

Thanks, Ed - yes, doing well. I hope you are as well! - Martin

Good choice for an aerobatics airplane! 👍 - Martin

You are probably right. Still, by law, parachutes are required for aerobatics. So we didn't have a choice. - Martin

@@martinpauly for sure. I just think it is funny. When I did aerobatic training before my CFI I had the same thought. The instructor said no doubt. Apparently the only time you are not required to wear them is when doing a spin training endorsement for a CFI. Did mine in a super decathlon...we did fallin leaf stalls and about 15 2-3 spin turns in both directions over two lessons. I was pretty near puking both times. The instructor was a lady about 75 years old and weighed 95 lbs. She could do spins all day long...

I should try it again on a cooler day. That day was over 100 degrees F. - Martin

Danke schön - herzliche Grüsse zurück, im Moment aus Florida. - Martin

Sounds like a fun birthday present, Preston! As to my nausea - I wonder if part of it was the fact that it was 100+ degrees that day. It might have gone better on a cooler day in the fall. - Martin

@@martinpauly Yes indeed it was extremely hot that day and actually all 3 days of the event.

Preston Miller did you ever get down to the Oceanside airport?

@@ronjohnson9507 All the time. Nice little airport. Used to watch the skydivers there too. We lived in Oceana just up the hill from the airport.

@@prestonmiller9552 i worked at the Oceanside airport in the 80s, i knew practically everyone there and my dad had a helicopter shop at Oceanside.

Thanks, Kristoffer. I don't think it was one particular maneuver that got me nauseous. It probably developed over time on this super-hot day (more than 100 degrees F). I'll give it another try sometime! - Martin

Pay to see Martin fill the barf bag in full length? Nah, I think I'll let this one go... 😁 - Martin

@@martinpauly ha!

Thanks

Agreed, Gary, those are things every pilot can benefit from. And yes, that was Bryan's Grumman, and did go up with Scott as well. - Martin

@@martinpauly Yeah, I went back and looked through his videos. I'm getting old, I guess, can't remember who I saw flying what. LOL

Hi Ron. EVERYONE in my town (Cedar Rapids) had damage. It's a matter of how much, not it. Fortunately our neighborhood is younger and doesn't have large trees, that saved us from the worst. But we lost fences, some siding, and the TV antenna is gone. And we had power back after 48 hours - amongst the first. All in all, we faired much better than many others. - Martin

Well then I guess there is hope for me yet! 😁 - Martin

No, the engine in this F33C Bonanza is a standard IO-520 from Continental. - Martin

Thank u man

That's funny! 😂 - Martin

Me, too. I see another flight coming up in the future! - Martin

Martin Pauly GO GET’EM

Meh? After how many people died there? The FBW was in a degraded more, so it didn't help. The captain, after entering the cockpit from his crew rest, was experienced enough to understand what was going on, and knew the remedy - but it was too late at that point. The type-specific training for the two occupants in the cockpit was insufficient to recognize and recover from a stall, something each pilot goes through in initial training for the private pilot certificate, before the first solo even. What Scott and I did there with the stalls and falling leaf exercise is EXACTLY the kind of training that would have saved everyone on board that flight. But the way it was, they crashed a perfectly flyable airplane into the ocean after the first level of automation failed.

@@martinpauly Oh I agree - the largest issue was and to some degree still is today that they weren't trained for recovering from a stall from cruise level, and especially with unreliable airspeed. Both pilots had probably done stalls exactly like you did in this video even after getting their PPL, but I doubt even doing it more regularly would've helped with the problem they had. Both pilot monitoring and pilot flying at the start of the event recognized they weren't flying in normal law. Remember, they weren't getting the stall clunker many times when they still were in the stall, because of the unreliable airspeed. The almost immediate panicking by the copilot (again, lack of training), the "hidden" movement of the sidestick of pilot flying to the pilot monitoring, unreliable airspeed indication - all factors which have little to do with this excercise in good visibility, with clearly moving controls to both pilots and a constantly buzzing stall indicator. As you probably know, the similar stall&CFIT of GXL888T and of course the classic - AF 296 - in every single one the pilot flying pretty much pulled back on the stick for the whole CFIT. Sort of offtopic: I know training today has been improved and the exactly similar type of accidents are unlikely to reoccur, but I wouldn't be surprised if something similar, where the pilot just holds the stick back until colliding with terrain. At least Rockwell Collins & MS21 and Gulfstream have now started to put in active sidesticks - Too bad retrofitting them doesn't seem possible...

Nope - my Bonanza is not as strong as the F33C, and not approved for aerobatics. - Martin

I think I'd reach for that bag A LOT SOONER flying with Spencer! 😂 - Martin