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Against the Odds: Zur-an (Games) 

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What are the odds of winning with Zur the Enchanter in Modern (with the help of Doran, the Siege Tower)? We're about to figure it out!
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@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 7 лет назад
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@frederik2211
@frederik2211 7 лет назад
MTGGoldfish earlier in one of your videos You said You would ship to everywhere (also outside the states), but now I read on your website provided by the link that it is ONLY in the states. Sux man! Don't false advertise. Love your content anyway.
@frederik2211
@frederik2211 7 лет назад
MTGGoldfish earlier in one of your videos You said You would ship to everywhere (also outside the states), but now I read on your website provided by the link that it is ONLY in the states. Sux man! Don't false advertise. Love your content anyway.
@Zerothas
@Zerothas 7 лет назад
Frederik Waldhausen I don't think that's true. I watch every video they make and don't recall ever hearing that. I also never signed up for the contest or read it but was under the impression from other videos that it was US only so I'm confident he said the opposite.
@frederik2211
@frederik2211 7 лет назад
Jesse Thibault it's fine You have your opinion and all. I could run through all the content and find the exact place where it is said (I mean that is why I entered the contest after all) but I am not going to. I think Seth and Co gets the message. I was hyped for international give aways, not so much anymore, but it was also almost too good to be true. Much love from Scandinavia for the great weekly content!
@traviswisdom328
@traviswisdom328 7 лет назад
Frederik Waldhausen In one of the live streams Seth talked about this exact thing. Because of Wizards rules on international shipping on sealed product Goldfish couldn't offer it in this contest. It was suggested that he could open all the packs in a video and send them as singles but that was not something he was going to do this time.
@thoptertoken514
@thoptertoken514 7 лет назад
I like it when you put all the games in one video. sometimes RU-vid wont play them in order with auto play.
@novasnotvibing
@novasnotvibing 7 лет назад
mason groner lmao
@faydunkel7832
@faydunkel7832 7 лет назад
mason groner just click the link at the end of the video, it works on mobile now.
@ElderMegido
@ElderMegido 7 лет назад
Hey Mason! I was having a similar issue with videos not auto-playing. There are two fixes, the first is to go to the playlists on the channel, although when the last video is over it will restart the playlist, or go to the website and click on the first video you would like to watch there, and it will auto-play all of the videos in order but not restart the playlist when you finish the last video! (just in case you like to listen to videos while falling asleep)
@Srcsqwrn
@Srcsqwrn 7 лет назад
If you go in to the playlist you should be able to see them in order just fine.
@BasketballLover312
@BasketballLover312 7 лет назад
This deck is really awesome and seeing that Doran package was such a cool idea! Tutoring up answers every turn and playing an odd tempo game was really interesting. I wanted the games to keep going! Great job Seth, BKA Saffron Olive, for coming up with this powerful idea and I hope it gets tweaked and played by pros!
@moxbagel
@moxbagel 7 лет назад
This is one of my favorites in a long time. What a blast!
@bryantan4228
@bryantan4228 7 лет назад
3:20 Failed to activate Spellskite in response to Bolt
@luiscordoba8300
@luiscordoba8300 7 лет назад
if only Doran and Zur had the Partner keyword.
@kingbone2814
@kingbone2814 7 лет назад
Doran is my favorite creature This deck was everything 😢 You are the best
@theLogicblade
@theLogicblade 7 лет назад
That ad nauseam match win was so sweet.
@andrewnavarro1185
@andrewnavarro1185 7 лет назад
Not sure why you didn't just cast rest in peace instead of Nyx-Fleece Ram vs Grixis. That whole sequence with snapcaster and Tasigur could have been avoided.
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 7 лет назад
I didn't really want to run Rest in Peace into Spell Snare, but maybe I should have just cast it and hoped for the best.
@barnabyalsop5601
@barnabyalsop5601 7 лет назад
Andrew Navarro my thoughts exactly :)
@billiewilson2336
@billiewilson2336 7 лет назад
Didn't think of the spell snare, that makes more sense than completely missing it.
@luciddreammike8375
@luciddreammike8375 7 лет назад
Awesome deck!
@patrickbuerke1390
@patrickbuerke1390 7 лет назад
"We can lose anything."-Seth, probably better known as Saffronolive, 2017
@bigtimetimmyjim6486
@bigtimetimmyjim6486 7 лет назад
Aw, no Tower Defense? It does not make as much sense in this build, but those "oops, I win" moments are priceless. :(
@robh9075
@robh9075 7 лет назад
OMG Zur I am pouring myself an extra large Vodka for this I shall be shouting VERY loudly at my monitor.
@Aubiewan
@Aubiewan 7 лет назад
"Hit the 97 percenter." LOL I love that Grixis Delver is becoming your new Infect. :P
@evancuyuch9260
@evancuyuch9260 7 лет назад
this is a dope deck seth, if it wasn't for the price tag i'd build this and bring it to fnm
@chedattilo6284
@chedattilo6284 7 лет назад
evan cuyuch No joke.
@scottneusen9601
@scottneusen9601 7 лет назад
I'm kind of surprised you don't run a one of Eidolon of Rhetoric in the main deck. It's got a fat but for Doran, tutorable by Zur, and improves the combo matchup which is almost unwinnable g1. Even just replacing Athreos with it seems good.
@VoidPrincessNoire
@VoidPrincessNoire 7 лет назад
I agree with this statement.
@Srcsqwrn
@Srcsqwrn 7 лет назад
Some small tweaks to the deck and this could be a monster.
@cloysterd
@cloysterd 7 лет назад
I'm always surprised that Doran doesn't see more play. He's a beast by himself, he makes all sorts of creatures you want to play anyway (like Goyf) even better, and he randomly hoses stuff like Cranial Plating.
@Srcsqwrn
@Srcsqwrn 7 лет назад
This deck looks amazing. I really want to play this. Also, I'm sad Athreos did basically nothing. Wondering if he could have had a better role. Maybe a couple tweaks, but I really like how well this deck works with itself.
@Midnightv
@Midnightv 7 лет назад
this looks like a good candidate for the live replay
@cz19856
@cz19856 7 лет назад
detention sphere overgrowth!!
@drt5665
@drt5665 7 лет назад
this deck is awesome
@benjaminzaugg1127
@benjaminzaugg1127 7 лет назад
18:30 not blind flip right? he did cast serum visions before
@mattproctor8980
@mattproctor8980 7 лет назад
The ad nauseam player completely missed a win at 26:05, if they had pacted the inquisition they would have won
@drahydra
@drahydra 7 лет назад
And then they die to having to pay for pact.
@mattproctor8980
@mattproctor8980 7 лет назад
drahydra no, angels grace in response and you can't lose, then you have enough mana with the spirit guide to ad nauseam
@mattproctor8980
@mattproctor8980 7 лет назад
qseftdeather12 yeah that's what Seth made him discard with the inquisition
@ygivens21
@ygivens21 7 лет назад
lotus bloom was on 1 counter on there turn not enough mana
@mattproctor8980
@mattproctor8980 7 лет назад
yuri givens it was on one, would have come off suspend on their upkeep
@pmgerow1
@pmgerow1 7 лет назад
Should we be running a few journey to nowhere and stasis snare in this deck for tutor-able removal?
@ZakanaHachihaCBC
@ZakanaHachihaCBC 7 лет назад
P. Geraux Detention Sphere.
@oatyoatoat
@oatyoatoat 7 лет назад
I would love to see a video on how to counter ad nauseum combo. 3 people in my meta run it and no matter what cards I use to disrupt them, they still find a way out.
@eila2088
@eila2088 7 лет назад
Brandon Crawford I mean you could just run discard, surgical/exterpate, Thalia, nevermore type effects, rule of law, Lilli, etc if you just want to hate the deck. Eldrazi and Taxes or 8rack work but your best bet (especially if want to be good against others) is a faster combo deck like infect which also stomps on phyexian unlife and lesser extent grace.
@brandonr.2807
@brandonr.2807 7 лет назад
Totally want to build this...gotta buy a TON of lands though.
@freehoppernz9058
@freehoppernz9058 7 лет назад
@19:23, giving​ Serum Visions seems bad here, wouldn't Thought Scour or Brutality been a better choice? Enjoyed the video as always :)
@freehoppernz9058
@freehoppernz9058 7 лет назад
Also @23:13 while playing double Birds over Nyxfleece Ram opens you up to Electrolyze, I think given your mana situation you didn't have much choice. Especially since not playing a land heavily incentivizes your opponent to go after your mana aka your birds, as you saw in that game, I think it's better to get them out ASAP.
@deathpyre42
@deathpyre42 7 лет назад
So, vs the abzan deck in g2, why not try to kill off the liliana?
@D_A_D_
@D_A_D_ 7 лет назад
Honestly I would probably run two D-sphere's. Being able to tutor up removal two turns in a row seems really good.
@Tarrandus
@Tarrandus 7 лет назад
Last game, y u no detention sphere overgrowth?
@10rodri
@10rodri 7 лет назад
Seth, in the game vs grixis delver, why didn't you give them though scour instead of serum visions? ( I think it was game 3) They wouldn't be able to keep cards on top. EDIT: Couldn't you use Murmuring Bosk? Seems so good :)
@4056661
@4056661 7 лет назад
dont know if its for budget matter, but wooded foothills was so bad in the deck. Even if in need for more green fetches, both misty and verdant would be much better choices I think. Unless I'm missing something of course.
@williamstanton6126
@williamstanton6126 7 лет назад
caio issa against the odds is not budget. possibly just a bad fetch choice
@watereagleplays7472
@watereagleplays7472 5 лет назад
the reason is he probably had them in his collection
@hwago123
@hwago123 7 лет назад
So I modified the deck a little, I added Canopy Cover to the mainboard to protect and took out Athreos . Not only does Canopy Cover protect Zur so he can take over the game, it's also great on a Doran . Other than that I didn't think there were any modifications to be made in the mainboard, but I did change the sideboard slightly. I added a Lifelink, Imprisoned in the Moon, and took out a single Spreading Seas and the Path . Spirit is a bad attacker but it can be great against any deck drawing cards. Perhaps it's a choice though, I'm unsure about that one. Also, I've played 2 matches against burn and lost both lol.
@47Mortuus
@47Mortuus 6 лет назад
I like the faster Ornithopter Tarmogoyf version more but hey, Zur is sweet in this deck, gotta admit...
@britaind6433
@britaind6433 7 лет назад
Seth i dont know where to put my fishmail for the podcast if its longer than 140 characters? anyways do you believe the card pool for the current standard is better that the current magic duels card pool? The magic duels premise is that you have access to every set back to orgins but you only have 1 mythic 2 rares 3 uncommons and 4 commons. So you can only play one heart of keran but you can also play 1 baby jace too
@freehoppernz9058
@freehoppernz9058 7 лет назад
I think I remember them saying in that case, please shorten the question. Try using this: Do you believe the card pool for the current Standard better than Magic Duels’s? The card limits are Mythics 1, Rares 2, Uncommons 3 and Commons 4 dating back to Origins.
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 7 лет назад
Thanks, I'll get it to the right place.
@CJWproductions
@CJWproductions 7 лет назад
I really like Assault Formation and Spellskite together.
@paulm2163
@paulm2163 7 лет назад
Wow Zur pulling Assault Formation is so sick.
@kangamagic1206
@kangamagic1206 7 лет назад
you know, you always say that the opponent's delver blind-flips, but he used Serum Visions to set it up that time.
@graysonnemets9154
@graysonnemets9154 7 лет назад
I was expecting Zuran Orb
@steveorock
@steveorock 7 лет назад
can you do a doren butts deck in modern please?
@EffinChat
@EffinChat 7 лет назад
steveorock search for abzan toughness on the mtggoldfish channel :)
@paulm2163
@paulm2163 7 лет назад
Isn't that what this is?
@Bloodfire83
@Bloodfire83 7 лет назад
Both games against Abzan you scooped at least a turn too early.
@Diotialate
@Diotialate 7 лет назад
28:40 "We somehow won...against all odds." I see what you did there.
@Cangaroombi
@Cangaroombi 7 лет назад
At the end you won, but that Detention Sphere not on the Overgrowths really hurt me...
@schliefff
@schliefff 7 лет назад
Zumbo not playing the ram turn 2 giving his oponent 2 extra turns was even more painfull.
@CJWproductions
@CJWproductions 7 лет назад
Did you consider Pernicious Deed at all? I'm not sure, but pulling it up via Zur seems good and it gets those Lingering Souls busted for free. The deck seems to flood out a bit.
@flumbaisk
@flumbaisk 7 лет назад
How many decks in modern play Pernicious Deed, zero? Oh that's odd cause Pernicious Deed is a powerful card... Oh wait it's not legal???? OOOOOOOOOOoooooooohhhh
@CJWproductions
@CJWproductions 7 лет назад
Farf Whoops.
@eila2088
@eila2088 7 лет назад
Farf Sad thing is deed isn't that great in legacy. Love it in nic fit, not so much elsewhere.
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 7 лет назад
Man, I wish Deeds was Modern legal. I almost seems like it should be safe.
@EM-pn5kq
@EM-pn5kq 7 лет назад
those burn players were so bad
@MrJsloma41
@MrJsloma41 7 лет назад
3:25 Play land off top, swing with Zur, Spellskite, and Courser, tutor assault formation, pump twice for lethal
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 7 лет назад
I think we were one damage short of lethal because we would need to tap the Birds of Paradise to pump twice.
@MrJsloma41
@MrJsloma41 7 лет назад
I could be counting wrong, but Zur, Spellskite, and Courser are all 4 toughness. Pumping each twice makes them 6 each, and 6 times 3 is 18.
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 7 лет назад
Oops. I was wrong (but still right about not being able to win). The actual problem was that the land on top of our deck was a shock and we were at two life so we couldn't play it untapped.
@MrJsloma41
@MrJsloma41 7 лет назад
Oops! Classic chat lethal :) Cool deck btw.
@paulm2163
@paulm2163 7 лет назад
That burn player must've been like "Wtf really?" when you dropped turn 2 main deck Nyxfleece Ram.
@TauntedSymbol
@TauntedSymbol 7 лет назад
39:18 you could have detention sphered the overgrowths
@alasanof
@alasanof 7 лет назад
maybe a single murmuring bosk would be okay
@Srcsqwrn
@Srcsqwrn 7 лет назад
Can someone explain how Ad Nauseam could have won after the Runed Halo was played?
@bel-sb6kx
@bel-sb6kx 7 лет назад
Srcsqwrn they have an alternate combo by using ad nauseam to reveal the whole deck, and play laboratory maniac into serum visions for the win. There are other alternate combos but that's the best one
@Srcsqwrn
@Srcsqwrn 7 лет назад
Logan Meyer Oh wow. Interesting. I wish I knew more about Ad Naus. It crops up so often. I completely blanked on Lab Man even being a wincon for this deck. Very neat!
@ZakanaHachihaCBC
@ZakanaHachihaCBC 7 лет назад
Srcsqwrn some versions also use Conflagurat in place of Lightning Storm.
@Aquilenne
@Aquilenne 6 лет назад
I think it's actually Labratory Maniac into cracking Chromatic Star. Since it's a mana ability it can't be responded to, so it prevents the opponent from just playing an instant speed creature removal.
@kameenook
@kameenook 6 лет назад
TheEponet just because it's a mana ability means you can't respond to them activating the ability, the actual trigger that draws a card (I assume) uses the stack like any other triggered ability and you can respond to as normal. Removal shouldn't be a problem though as I'd expect opponents to have 2-4 pacts of negation in hand post nauseous.
@crispyimmortal
@crispyimmortal 7 лет назад
This deck is like my wet dream.
@kylefidler6311
@kylefidler6311 7 лет назад
that game against control made gavony township look super greedy
@bryantan4228
@bryantan4228 7 лет назад
Nyx Fleece is such a powerful modern card. For 2 mana you gain a lot of life, get a near immortal blocker, and fulfill so many niche roles
@eila2088
@eila2088 7 лет назад
Bryan Tan It's pretty narrow and competiting with wall of omens which you would prefer in non-burn/zoo matchups. Also isn't quite home for it outside of anti aggro sideboard given death of control.
@schliefff
@schliefff 7 лет назад
Sean Metivier i'd definitly consider putting in 2 wall of omens instead of 2 rams. especially since the ench tag doesn't really matter since youd rather get another ench of zur 90% of the time.
@Nr4747
@Nr4747 7 лет назад
There are *a lot* of match-ups where the Ram does almost nothing - i. e. combo decks - so it is very niche, but certainly nice if that niche use pays off.
@Nr4747
@Nr4747 7 лет назад
Wall of Omens can't attack, though - which seems to be the point of playing with Doran. Nyx-fleece is also an *enchantment* which is important for Zur.
@sobman
@sobman 7 лет назад
I agree. I would probably run wall of omens instead. I'd rather have a 4/4 blocker + card than a 5/5 attacker + 3 life
@TomLynchIsAwsome
@TomLynchIsAwsome 7 лет назад
3:41 you had lethal by attacking with skite, zur, courser and finding assault formation and buff twice :(
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 7 лет назад
We were a mana short of double pumping.
@leonidascorrea
@leonidascorrea 7 лет назад
That Ad Nauseam could have won the first game just by using pact of negation and angle's grace on the upkeep and use SSG...
@Veyrall
@Veyrall 7 лет назад
That's gotta be the most tilted Ad Naus player in G1
@THECOLLECTOROFSOULS
@THECOLLECTOROFSOULS 7 лет назад
he punted really bad... just had to pact the inquisition, angel grace on upkeep and ad naus
@XxGIBS0NN3RDxX
@XxGIBS0NN3RDxX 7 лет назад
coulda gotten rid of all the hornet tokens with detention sphere at 33:22!!!
@freehoppernz9058
@freehoppernz9058 7 лет назад
Jared Fruitman But unfortunately Kessig Wolfrun means he's dead either way.
@KujakuDM
@KujakuDM 7 лет назад
I really wish he would stop keeping one land hands. Lol
@maxmayer3427
@maxmayer3427 7 лет назад
I think Oblivion Ring would be good in this deck.
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 7 лет назад
Detention Sphere sort of fills the same roll.
@Paradoxed25
@Paradoxed25 7 лет назад
I thought primeval titan was banned in modern?
@JakeMC521
@JakeMC521 7 лет назад
Paradoxed25 We'll it isnt
@kingyama
@kingyama 7 лет назад
Titan is banned in commander.
@VanTheDestroyerer
@VanTheDestroyerer 7 лет назад
^^ Nope! :P Summer's Bloom was banned. (XD Though, Prime Time is banned in commander, lol)
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 7 лет назад
I wish :) It's Commander where it's banned.
@shotgunninja543
@shotgunninja543 7 лет назад
Would a Sir Mix-a-lot reference be too cliché? Cuz I'm liking these big butts and like George Washington; I cannot tell a lie.
@erikkennedy4351
@erikkennedy4351 7 лет назад
If you name lightning storm with runed halo, dont you just win?
@lewiswhiteley8431
@lewiswhiteley8431 7 лет назад
Most ad nauseum lists also run an alternate wincon in Laboratory Maniac.
@aidangraham7840
@aidangraham7840 7 лет назад
Patrician's Scorn is also a sideboard card in Ad Nauseam to fight Leyline of Sanctity and the like.
@fxyang1989
@fxyang1989 7 лет назад
Color Screwed twice in a match already. Maybe it's too greedy to have colorless land in a 4 color deck?
@cannonspectacle5195
@cannonspectacle5195 7 лет назад
I think "Do-Zur" would have been punnier
@dayton228
@dayton228 7 лет назад
All I heard in this video is 'best deck in modern.'
@eila2088
@eila2088 7 лет назад
Seems like running foothills over misty cost him in a game. I know he has Misty's.
@zurran00
@zurran00 7 лет назад
blue , still the best color in modern
@igniteaxiom
@igniteaxiom 7 лет назад
why wouldn't you detention sphere the hornet tokens!!!!!! aaahhhhhhh!!!!!
@bobbobbobsonbobson3923
@bobbobbobsonbobson3923 7 лет назад
This deck worked much better than it had any right to.
@zenmaster8826
@zenmaster8826 7 лет назад
mardu ascendancy would have been awesome to combo with assault formation.. haha
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 7 лет назад
I considered it, than when with Eland Umbra instead...
@zenmaster8826
@zenmaster8826 7 лет назад
MTGGoldfish would have been sweet to fetch it with zur thou.. then sac when attacking with doran ftw.. haha! btw, would you ever try out the abzan toughness deck for twitch stream? you went 5 - 0 with it before.. would be sweet
@anosmianAcrimony
@anosmianAcrimony 7 лет назад
Yay, butt-fighting!
@catascopic9542
@catascopic9542 7 лет назад
Cool deck. Terrible name, though. Definitely would have gone for a Duran Duran pun or something.
@atmaximum
@atmaximum 7 лет назад
man this is such a weird deck!! xD
@afunderburgh
@afunderburgh 7 лет назад
Why the hell did you scoop at 33:00??? Your opponent barely had a board and no cards in card and you had a ton of good stuff in hand!!!!
@EyeoftheRedKing
@EyeoftheRedKing 7 лет назад
TIL that Primeval Titan, Hornet Queen, 3 Insect tokens, Eternal Witness and Arbor Elf qualifies as 'barely a board'. Seriously, the only thing that blocks fliers in his deck is Zur, so the Hornet queen/tokens will get there pretty fast. Also Prime Time has trample, so it's going to be getting through any blockers Seth throws in front of it.
@DPharos
@DPharos 7 лет назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Dv6SeBzi2r4.html Opponent plays 1st land. "Are we gonna win again?" I loled.
@oskarolw
@oskarolw 7 лет назад
Negate vs burn maybe?
@hitapiro
@hitapiro 7 лет назад
it seems rafiq of the many can be good here. birds - doran - rafiq turn 3 attack for 12
@jackmuaddib3745
@jackmuaddib3745 7 лет назад
the rng for magic online is bugged.
@mason2673
@mason2673 7 лет назад
Match two you couldve killed your opponent by detention sphereing your opponent's fulminator mage and swinging for lethal
@schnecke3336
@schnecke3336 7 лет назад
it costs blue mana
@mason2673
@mason2673 7 лет назад
ah
@DoubleMallow
@DoubleMallow 7 лет назад
"green devotion" *facepalm* -.-
@hwago123
@hwago123 7 лет назад
You are really bad at magic though... How do you not even play your mana dorks??? It's not even that you're bad, but you go so fast you make really stupid mistakes sometimes. It's really disappointing.
@novasnotvibing
@novasnotvibing 7 лет назад
what is zuran and why do i care?
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