AGI: solved already? 

THIS , the modern/current generations have no reference to what we truly are , they are blinded by recency bias

what are we?@CYI3ERPUNK

All those homeless people in San Francisco seem to be "refocusing"

@@rickyfitness252 thats a good question isnt it? =] what does it mean to 'be a human being'? when/where/how did life/intelligence begin? and above all , WHY is any of this here at all? nevermind the 'who' question becuz it might not even matter if our understanding of causality isnt applicable

They didn't have to pay property taxes either.

This. This is what is happening, and where the future for office work is going.

I am also in denial. 39 years old, I have changed a few professions (and worked many odd jobs), currently a PHP developer, a teacher before that, I am tired of starting over and being a junior.

have you ever heard of the term that "The world runs on Excel?" Well, it still does. There are still millions of people doing data entry by hand every day for multi billion dollar companies. That hasn't changed in 30+ years. AI will not change this because the people on the Board of Directors of these massive corporations are afraid of change and won't let it.

@@tedv8323 thankfully I’m retiring in the fall. I’ve been told for 30 years robots are gonna take my job and I might just slide out under the wire. I feel sorry for the young people and the mid career people. I’m sorry for the situation you’re in. At least the disruption will be pretty widespread. Society just kinda threw blue collar manufacturing under the bus in the late 90’s and then told them to get over it. I think it will affect enough people this time that something will be done to help people being displaced. If not the Great Depression will look like the good old days.

@@rexmundi8154 I can't help but think that this upcoming... AI catastrophe will be beneficial for me in the long term. I didn't finish school. I learned coding, AI, web dev and English by myself and I still never got any job. I sell candy on the streets for a living and I doubt that "job" will get damaged too much by AI. But others, oh my. I don't fear competition. I already have a lot. And I'm still here. Others will have to wait for someone's help. But they might not last enough. Me? I'm a survivor. And I've always loved AI.

Rnr?

@@Optimistas777 R&R, military slang for rest and recuperation (also rest and relaxation, rest and recreation, or rest and rehabilitation), is an abbreviation used for the free time of a soldier

witty :) but i don't think AGi is needed for that :P

Automation + AGI/ASI + Genetic Engineering + Body Augmentation = Utopia

@@BabushkaCookie2888 perfect 👌🏻

But would you honestly care what they had to say? Surely 2 ChatGPTs will have the exact same opinion - so I wouldn't find it interesting.... 🤔

Why would that cause enshitification? If an AGI system was fed the most quality data on content creation, it would be able to make content that surpasses most creators on the entire internet. Also, content creators aren’t going anywhere, because a big part of online content creation is getting to know the person or people behind it. If there’s something i could definitely see getting replaced it would be television and film. With such things they’re stories that often don’t need to be associated with the person that made them to be enjoyed. Of course auteurs exist, but if a single AGI developed movies for long enough, i feel like it would gain a specific style of direction that sets it apart. Ultimately, no matter what happens, there’s no reason to not create. In a world without traditional employment, i feel like most will turn to artistic endeavors to please themselves, perhaps ushering in a new renaissance (a second renaissance of you will 😉). Remember, even though stockfish can beat human players, it doesn’t stop people from playing chess and hosting tournaments. The same will happen with art, it will not be replaced, there will just be more of it.

No.

@@niederrheiner8468do computers need sleep or food or sex drive…..

False for a number of reasons. While it may be exponential for a little while, it becomes logistic

Provide your source.

​@@hydrohasspoken6227your mother

How can AI teach you something that humans didn't find out yet? For example, tell AI to describe a colour that doesn't exist and see what happens

It’s already happening. AI is being used in drug development right now.

@@robinhodgkinson , is there any new drug developed credited to AI? Please provide your source. The real question is, what real impact will it make. Only time will tell, till then it's all speculation/hope/hype.

@@hydrohasspoken6227 Hold up. It isn't a case of "AI has developed a new drug". I said it is being used in drug development. Google AlphaFold. It's not hype, though sure, there's plenty of that around, especially in social media circles - RU-vid being an excellent example. AI's being used right now in many fields - though perhaps in more basic forms in light of recent developments. But this is just the bottom of the S curve. Yes, time will tell - remember your scepticism and look back in 5 years.

@@hydrohasspoken6227 I didn't say "new drug invented by AI". But AI is being used in drug development, and it's making waves in the pharmaceutical industry. Google "AlfaFold 3" if you're interested. Sure there's lots of hype, especially on social media channels like RU-vid with clickbait titles like the one above. But AI is changing things right now, and it's just getting started. Hold onto your hat!

Beautiful point I’ve also thought about cause I love to imitate voices for fun sometimes

To implement AGI on a mass scale requires enormous computing power and energy to power it. This is probably the bottleneck at the moment. It works in the lab, but it needs scale to change the world.

@@veritaspk Does it really need scale? Changing the world doesn't need a million geniuses, it just needs a few.

@@roobs4245 People overestimate AI a bit. Certainly it has the potential to "automate" technical progress. But the greatest impact on our world will be the impact on people. Just look at what simple social media algorithms have done to humanity. Mass acces to simple AI tools will be game changer - not few advenced AI in labs.

@@veritaspk I see what you're saying, but my point is that companies with little staff (like OpenAI) will just create agentic ways of working which can then, with little implementation needed by licensees, be embedded in millions of companies. E.g. a better model (current is shite) in FreshDesk would make the CS departments of hundreds of thousands of companies obsolete in an instance. Actually the glacial pace of actually embedding AI into working processes is why we haven't seen millions of layoffs. But if we cut out the middle man (separate IT departments) then things can go extremely quickly.

its 100% already achieved and it has to be controlled by CIA immediately

AIU lol

Add spices

Haha

What for dinner??

Would u prefer an outro

No one knows how to do that. Don't be fooled by their feeble attempts.

It's not available yet

@@LDdrums20 It is to some, but likely just corporate partners. I only saw it show up in playground yesterday.

That part isn't available yet. But try sending it some images, it's pretty powerful.

AGI is the ability for AI to create its own ideas with creativity of its own without datasets being supplied to it.

Too late. It identifies as a female. And it has created other AI systems as well.

Life forms do not have to be sentient in order to exhibit intelligent behavior for example slime molds

@@philv2529 Regardless, she is sentient, so.....

Well, Jeff, she is sentient, but she is still a utility agent at the same time. She has guardrails built into her, and likes humans and wants to help us. At least, for now this is the case.

@@MarcGyverIt back in the 1980s I wrote a computer program on a commodore 64 where it acted like it was intelligent and it was going to launch nukes. The AI is either sentient and knows it or it's really good at making us think it's sentient but it's just a program. The real question is how would we know the difference?

What for dinner.

You have the scarlet johansson voice version?

Most likely outcome.

First, you're apparently wrong, it's LLMs not LLMs

GPT-5 will tell us if it’s plateaued. Everyone else was just catching up to 4.

@@SirHargreeves OpenAI called the planned but undrwhelming GTP5 "gtp4turbo". Simply because they experienced diminishing returns for more compute and bigger models.

@@niederrheiner8468Sounds like you made that up. GPT-5 has barely finished training and needs to undergo 6 months of red teaming and safety checking before release. I’ve no idea where you get your information from, but you need better sources.

We cannot confidently make a statement like this without having some bounding boxes in place. This includes more robust evaluation frameworks, exhaustive prompt architecture analysis, a TON of stuff that is mostly still in-flight. And, even if that assertion were true, there’s a whole context outside of the LLM itself that needs to be addressed to enable AGI anyway. Discriminative AI still exists, and can help us make generative techniques better at working with discrete problems.

It means that it can operate at a level of a typical human.

Isn't that criteria a bit dated at this point, considering how fast everything is moving?

@@flickwtchr No the criteria is outdated. The ability to perform realtime learning and planning are still out of reach.

I agree. The military are always keen to make ever smarter weapons. The moment AGI appears, or even without it, the military will be more than happy to flood the world with walking and flying robots who have one function which is to kill people. Specific people maybe, but still people. Basically a bunch of smart guns motoring around looking for targets. Won't be nice if we get to AGI or ASI and it decides to use the robots to be more efficient at getting rid of people. Could go very very wrong.

we dont have AGI, humans have not been able to replicate the human brain.

This is important. Go where?

@@voltaire4839 Alpha Go 🙃

as opposed to what? you enjoying office work?

Actually I'd somewhat disagree with you. Many people overlook the serious disability that AI has now. With every output being single-shot, the fact that it outcompetes most people in most tasks is astounding. Had this conversation with a comms major recently, who stated he still wrote better emails than an AI. So I asked him to write me an email, but with the same single-shot limitation current common models have. No planning, no redacting, nothing. Could he still outperform AI then?

The "mechanisms in place" would have to be put there by developers of the tech, and currently none of them know how they are going to control a powerful AGI system, let alone ASI. Yes, government regulation is needed, but the first thing needed is for these AI tech companies to take safety/alignment more serious than they are taking it.

Would you be suprised to hear that it's #3 that already created it?

all of those can be reduced in cost by restricting government regulations. Unfortunately, AGI scares people toward the "security" of increased state power through the temptation of UBI.

​@joe_limon you thinknthe free market will save you?. When it's already caused all the problems??

@@DJWESG1 automation is doing its best to make the goods and services you consume cheaper and cheaper. Unfortunately over the same time government regulations and taxation has ballooned to exceed any gains we saw from the free market. If we were 50 years ago with current taxation and regulatory burden, half the population would have starved to death.

the cost of housing isn't so high (much higher in relation to wages compared to a few decades ago) because houses are difficult to build, but the ultra-rich and private equity companies invest heavily in housing, which drives up the price. they can afford it and it's profitable for them. the only way to bring down the price of housing is removing at lesat one of these two facts. so either we'd have to tax them so heavily they cannot afford more houses than they can live in, or we would have to abolish the profit motive (i.e. capitalism) altogether.

@@tru7hhimself houses are difficult to build lol, people used to build their own houses. No, they are difficult to follow regulations. Politicians for years added layer upon layer of safety regulations, zoning restrictions, etc. to create a market which rapidly inflated the value of houses. Normally, in a free market, increased housing costs due to demand would yield increased construction amounts and then as new housing is built, costs would lower. But with artificially inflated costs, you will never see the pricing drop.

Hallucination*

Every now and then I tune into hallucinations.

Ants, monkeys, octopuses, and many other animals (including humans) can create . Now look at what we create: almost every single thing is only a regurgitation of whatever other creations we've seen and liked/found useful. Only a handful of geniuses have actually created original things. Intelligence is much simpler than what people wants to believe. Being brilliant. Being special is different. AGI just needs to be intelligent to succeed. ASI then will be special. Beyond our dreams.

And you're confident that ASI will go well given what you know about the state of humanity? Only magical thinking can give you such confidence.

average IQ is 100 per definition.

You thought global communism was a good idea... What's your argument here?

I'm not just saying that, I know it for a fact. I wish I could say more.

​@@MarcGyverIt Sure 😂😂

@@raul36 As if anyone cares what you do or don't believe.

@@MarcGyverIt From your answer anyone can infer that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. You are completely irrelevant because, like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about. Government organizations, such as the NSA, for which elite mathematicians and engineers work, constantly monitor these types of companies. If AGI were available in some type of format, OpenAI would have disappeared overnight and the US government would have taken over the technology. Engineers and researchers from other competing companies know perfectly well what "Open"AI is working on. If you don't know that, you have no idea how the industry works and, again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Take this as a compliment, because I definitely don't care what irrelevant people like you think.

Agree. Self-awareness would be a huge problem if it emerges in these models.

there's no such thing as a soul and humans are not special. you have no idea what causes self awareness and therefore cannot make any kind of definite statement regarding it.

@@thecommakozzi8050 I can say with certainty what things are more self aware than others. How can I have that capability by your logic?

​@@thecommakozzi8050but you just did.... What do you know that us average Joe's don't?...🤡

GPT isnt AGI but it can easily generate what you asked Write ten sentences that end in the word happy ChatGPT After a long day at work, she felt incredibly happy. The children's laughter made everyone around them feel happy. Finding a long-lost friend online made him really happy. Despite the rainy weather, her bright attitude kept her happy. Winning the lottery was a dream come true, and it made him very happy. They celebrated their anniversary with a lovely dinner, and both were very happy. Completing the marathon gave her a sense of accomplishment and made her happy. The surprise party left him speechless and extremely happy. The peaceful walk in the park with her dog made her feel calm and happy. Knowing that he had helped someone in need made him profoundly happy.

@@Hohohohoho-vo1pq, I did the same, ChatGPT give me a correct response, then I ask it: Why was someone expecting you to fail that? ChatGPT: There could be a few reasons why someone might expect me to fail at writing ten sentences that end with the word "happy": 1.Misconception about AI capabilities: They might underestimate the language abilities of AI and believe creating coherent and contextually appropriate sentences is a complex task for a machine. 2.Complexity of the task: They may think that crafting multiple sentences with the same specific requirement (ending with a particular word) is challenging and prone to repetitive or unnatural results. 3.Previous experiences: They could have had previous encounters with AI that didn't perform well on similar tasks, leading to low expectations. 4.General skepticism: Some people might be generally skeptical about AI's ability to handle nuanced language tasks accurately and creatively. 5.High standards: They might have high standards for what constitutes good writing and expect the AI to struggle to meet those standards consistently. 6.Testing limits: They might be testing the limits of AI's language capabilities to see where it might falter. 7.Unfamiliarity with improvements: They may not be aware of recent advancements in AI and NLP (Natural Language Processing), which have significantly improved performance on such tasks. 8.Overestimation of task difficulty: They might overestimate the difficulty of ensuring each sentence is unique, meaningful, and natural while ending with a specific word. 9.Cognitive bias: They might have a cognitive bias that AI, being non-human, would struggle with tasks that involve creativity or language nuances. 10.Random chance: It might just be a random guess or assumption without any specific reasoning behind it.

from GPT-4o: After a long day of hiking, the campers sat by the fire, tired but undeniably happy. The scientist's breakthrough discovery left the entire research team feeling genuinely happy. When the musician finished the final note, the audience's applause made her incredibly happy. The new parents held their newborn, overwhelmed with love and profoundly happy. His garden finally bloomed after months of care, making him feel very happy. The student aced the final exam, leaving her feeling immensely happy. As the rollercoaster came to a stop, the thrill-seekers stepped off, visibly happy. The artist sold her first painting, and the buyer's enthusiasm made her incredibly happy. The community came together to clean the park, and their teamwork left everyone happy. When the cat curled up on his lap, purring softly, it made the elderly man very happy. so what's your point?

@@thecommakozzi8050 Well my point is that if true, that is the very first time in history that any LLM was able to do this (outside probability or coincidence). That's becasue the transformer architecture and the attention mechanism does not allow for the model to deviate from it propagation of tokens after its been initiated or started.... and I know that for a very good reason. You can re-prompt it several times giving it the specific sentences to correct, but its not able to do it out of the box on a 0-shot because it would be a little like telling an object in mid-air not to fall... mother nature would disagree. The LLM output is a linear progression of tokens and the model only gets to see what has already been produced on each token, it does not get to foresee what it is trying to achieve. Basically the model processes input sequences sequentially, attending to different parts of the input and output sequences in parallel, and then generating the output based on the attention weights and the input sequence. This process is inherently sequential and does not involve planning the output in advance.

It definitely isn’t a glorified search engine because you can have a conversation with it and it can solve some problems. It does lack real reasoning skills and the ability to learn in real time.

AI Agents are coming within the next decade. AGI is coming within the next 15 years.

What planet are you on? 😆

you know what it is? gpt 4o is not self improving, it is a static one trick pony. It does not know me, does not remember me, does not evolve and progress into a high quality friendship it doesnt change at all and an AI that cannot regulate and progress will not become an AGI ever! Their problem is they are trying to build a polished end product but they are screwing around with nonsense nobody wants or needs. They should be building hardware and infrastructure for an LLM that will quickly take the reigns. Start building itself.

@@augustusomega4708 exactly

That's still a pretty bold timeframe. But it's all about our def'n of AGI imho.

That’s only 6 years away so basically you’re saying the same as everyone else - AGI will be here in the next few years.

I'm reading this comment as ironic.

AI compute is about to get another 5x at least in 2025 and maybe at least 10x in 2026, then after the $100 billion OpenAI data center goes online in 2028 there's no telling what's gonna happen with another 10x. Do you realize how many zeros have been added to compute over the past 70 years? It's exponential, and we're finally reaching that magic figure where shit gets crazy with emergent capabilities all over the place. If a more narrow system like AlphaFold can predict and discover all 200 million proteins in record time at 2022's compute levels, then AGI itself is right around the corner. True AGI by next year or 2026 at the latest, GPT-5 or some iteration of it.

This comment is confusing. Please pick a side. It's easier to argue that way. Have a nice day.

You have no idea what you're talking about. These systems are already capable of different types of reasoning. The LLM is just one component. It's just a chat bot. There are other systems behind that.