Now that Ahsoka is finally over and the dust has settled on Dave Filoni's magnum opus, its time to deliver my final verdict on this show. Does it save Star Wars, or is it yet another lame flop from Disney Lucasfilm?
exactly. As a Clone Wars and Rebels fan, literally, WTF happened to the writing? There is so much I want to like, but can't, because of this BS. No one behaves like they are supposed to behave from the shows, other than the most surface level dispositions.
The fact that Ezra, after being reunited with long lost friends after a decade of exile, leaves them exiled on the same planet with a smile on his face, not giving a shit about the people who attempted to rescue him was sociopathic at best. What the actual f...?!
It would have been pretty interesting if Ezra or Thrawn snapped a bit and went insane after 10 years of no human interaction. Like Thrawn still being smart yet mad scientist type. Using Alchemy and science to create monsters while still thinking in his broken mind if he does a good job he can have Palpatine to heal his mental state. Ezra becoming a unhinged force user that talks to himself via Jinx and laughs like the Joker. Being cruel with a smile on his face while cutting down his enemies while his friends look on in horror at the broken friend they remember is barely there. Only for Ezra to have a break of emotion crying a bit as he knows his friends might become as twisted as him and Thrawn if they don't free them quickly. There can so be a subtle relationship between Ezra and Thrawn as they both had no choice but to depend on each other for basic survival and championship. Once they come out they are faced with a culture shock about what they missed being trapped during the fall of the Empire.
I love the fact that Hayden and McGregor are so good at Sword fighting from the Prequels that they can actually attend competitions if they felt like it. Even if Hayden was going slow in Ahsoka it is the quickest and must fluent lightsaber duel we have seen since 2005
Seriously, I can't repeat enough how insane the difference is between the fight choreography of the OT and the new stuff versus the prequel era. Watching any of those movies I really got the sense that I was watching psychic warrior monks fight. Now I could see more energy and martial skill throwing a soggy five dollar bill between two Philly crackheads than if I were to suffer watching anything new Star Wars has put out. OT gets a pass for technical and budgetary limitations if the time, though Luke's first battle with Vader is still a lot more energetic and entertaining than much of what's put out now.
@@kadewiedeman3127 the OT was never about the lightsaber duels. It was always about the Force, the philosophy. While prequels have nothing to offer besides danced with shining sticks. The sequels tho ☠️ cat's piss serves more purpose 👺
@@Darkness1984 Maul survived by being full of hate and darkness, with severe damage to his mind. Sabine is full of what now? The consequences of a lightsabre wobbling around in her guts are what, exactly?
I’ve suddenly gained so much appreciation for the prequels and Hayden Christiansen’s choreography abilities because Star Wars used to be cool thanks to them
The prequels are poorly executed on a grand scale, but individual stuff like the fights, the ship designs, the world building, and performances by certain actors really rise above the clunkiness.
I had no idea how good Hayden Christiansen was at the fight choreography until a behind the scenes video randomly popped up for me. His choreography was unreal and so good, he even does the drop the sword from one hand and grab it in the other. The only good thing that has come from the new star wars stuff is the appreciation for him.
@@Jus7aguyStar Wars went from a gold, luxurious suite (OT) to a ramshackle wooden hut (prequels), to a train station public toilet that has never been cleaned: you pay for entry and all you see are brown stains smeared all over the walls, yellow pools everywhere you tread, smelling as putrid as it looks.
Ahsoka started out as a teen and was a great character with great potential from the start. She was made to be likeable by children & young adults. You can ofc dislike her as a character like many dislike joffrey in GoT.
I know, makes me wish they decided not to. Oh well, hope they got paid. A “what if” type of spin off would be cool since it’s already like there’s a multiverse in SW. EU vs “canon”
@danandtab7463 Oh, I didn't see it yet. I know he seems disappointed about how they used his character at the time, and rightfully so, but I will look this up. What I thought was terrible is that the guy visited sick kids at hospital as Luke during many years after the OT, and tell them that "a jedi never gives up" and "to be positive" I mean and he seems to have embraced the role over the years, so seeing how dirty they did him must have been heartbreaking. This is what I don't like the most about new movies: They don't have any respect for what came before, and they destroy the old characters to introduce the new instead of using them as mentor for the new heroes, they just make them useless. Indiana Jones is another example. Sorry for going off topic but I think it's ridiculous.
Beta sellouts arent a shame but to be assayed of!! SICK of you guys making victims of PERSONAL CHOICE!!! EWAN CHOSE to make that social media post calling fans "racist" EWAN was handsomely rewarded. Ewan ISN'T THAT GREAT!!! Dear God!!!
I just love the fact Hadden Christensen can easily outplay and maneuver Dawson in the fight scenes, when he's only just 2 years younger than her. It's been 20 years and the guy hasn't forgotten his proper training under Lucas😂!
@@Lily-rz8mg I need a fight between those two now. Doesn't have to be in a show or anything, just a random youtube video will do (I might have to give Disney money to see it in a show)
The fact that the prequel actors were offered stunt doubles but they all allegedly said no and decided to do (most of, atleast,) their own stunts and battle scenes is still really cool
Bill Burr showed more acting skill and character development in a dining table scene than any of the high paid "pro" actors in this entire show somehow
My biggest problem with the show was the acting. It was so hard to stay immersed with such emotionless dialogue and line delivery, especially from ahsoka. Especially offputting too, because i know rosario dawson is an incredible actress. Its as if direction was "be as stiff as possible"
I think the 12 year old Ahsoka kid could totally carry a show... She was more animated and passionate in her 5 minutes, than Dawson can muster in 8 episodes.
@@AlanDantes76Terrible writing and bad casting take a lot away from that. And if you don't think so watch her fight scenes again everyone has to slow it down for her.
Ahsoka as a character, especially in fight scenes was very fast and agile to make up for her small stature. She also wasn't a passionless robot. Honestly, she was a lot like Anakin. Headstrong and impulsive.
@@VioletDeathRei Baylan and ahsoka's fight scene was good. Nightsister lady and Ahsoka's fight scene was good. Any fight scene you don't like is your personal opinion and not objective reality genius. If a fight scene sucks, it's more likely because of the choreographer, not the actor. Was all the choreography good? Fuck no, some of it sucked. But some of it was decent. As for shows, this show was a success. Doesn't mean you have to like everything about it. It opened a lot of potential for the Star Wars to come.
The only way Jar Jar is ever tolerable is if you watch the theory how Lucas wanted him to be the Sith Master like the Yoda of the darkside. Then his character makes a whole lot more sense
I didn't look to unkindly on the whole "space whale" thing. They borrow the idea of an "elephant graveyard," that when an elephant knows it's about to die, it will walk to the same place they've designated to do it in, to go do it. Same thing here, she just needs to find one that's about to die (not an easy task) because she can't exactly find one coming back from where Ezra and Thrawn went (it won't)
I also didn't mind the Space Whales thing. That location was probably important because of the whales. And the evil mercenaries weren't in tune with the light side of the force or whatever to talk to the whales. It was fine. The rest of the show was not.
@@vengeance6833 a dying whale going there to die is a one way ticket. That's how Thrawn ended up there, with no way back, and that's how they are stranded.
Thrawn actually is a smart character. Hear me out. He knows he's in a Disney show. He knows he can't kill any of the mains. He knows that no matter what he does, the mains will thwart his plans. So he creates bad plans that are just good enough to allow him to escape
We floated the idea on Open Bar of him watching all this nonsense playing out and saying, "I don't understand. None of our weapons work against them. What kind of armour are they using?"
it's unfortunate because Thrawn IS a smart character. In the books he is a genuine threat to anyone he encounters, even in rebels he sometimes ends up being an actual threat. The Thrawn we see in shows is very different from the one we see in the canon books, and the one in the canon books is somewhat different from the one in the noncanon books. Do you know what the difference between book Thrawn and show Thrawn is? Timothy Zahn. It's almost like you need genuinely competent writers to pull off a character as complex as Thrawn. Zahn created the character, he knows it better than anyone else, and they should just go ahead and let him write the rest of star wars because God knows it would be better than what we've got right now.
Disney always manages to fail in someway, Star Wars went from the most respectable franchise to one of the most hated (Hell even the prequels are being appreciated more)
Yall think Ezra and Thrawn were just chillin for a decade at some beach planet? Anyways, the prequels at least had an idea and a story to tell with stilted but compelling characters. The new canon has... Only old stories like Heir To The Empire to shit on
I grew up with Ahsoka from the Clone Wars TV show. She started off as a snarky 14 year old but as time went by,she got better and better. I even cried waterfalls when I thought she died in Star Wars Rebels when she fought Vader Here? They dropped the ball here. Hard.
@@YourFavoriteCommieOkay but when they had other writers alongside Filoni for Clone Wars, she actually was well written! Since they only had Filoni and hacks write for this series, then it shows how pathetic they put it together!
I'm still not sold on that. His female characters are not even recognizable as themselves. Whether you think he is a competent writer or not it does not feel like his past projects. In fact, it feels like the Disney corporate board is mining all of their old stuff and Lucas' Clone Wars for anything they can slap a plot together out of. Does Favreau suck balls? If you were watching Mando season 3 and thought all those choices were made by him, you might think so. Think back to all the fired and overruled directors from their Star Wars movie projects. This reeks of Kennedy and the Story Board calling all of the shots. I mean whoever is writing this show does not even understand their own previous plot points or characters.
What else do you expect from a male feminist? If anything, this show proves that it was Faverau, not Filioni, that was the reason Clone Wars was successful.
@@77professional>Do Favreau and Filoni suck balls? Yes, Mando was dogshit all the way through, and Clone Wars/Rebels are continuity-breaking hot garbage.
One thing striking me it that Ahsoka's tentacles look very cheap in finition (not only short). But we are now 20 years after Shaak-ti's first movie appearances (whose looked refined by contrast). And it was at the good/bad old age of "brick and mortar" costumes, not CGI thrown in any way possible. Again, the feeling of that series' makers just not giving a damn of it to at least try and make it visually properly.
So Anakin was willing to teach a lesson about “live or die” to Ahsoka but somehow never spared any second to teach his own son the very same lesson when Luke was old and suicidal in the Last Jedi.
Disney: "Okay, we have the rights to Star Wars. Let's get rid of decades of expanded universe lore and make up our own stories." Also Disney: "Shit, we need ideas! Quick, someone 'borrow' character and story elements from 'Legends'."
Well George Lucas regarded legends as noncanon,what differentiate him than Disney is he allow legends exist.If he make sequel,he will make his own(there already sequel story plan from him but not used by Disney)
@@fathirizzanzahrano.r6161 The EU was canon, it just wasn’t George’s canon. The EU we got for decades was Star Wars. Yes George would have done things differently but he didn’t and the old EU was the continuation of the Star Wars universe.
The original Thrawn could look at a picture one of your species painted and get everything he needed from that to device the perfect strategy against your species. He was so awesome that he was made admiral by the massively speciesist emperor despite being blue. And now he's a crayon muncher sitting on a rock somewhere, watching the busses leave for home galaxy every quarter hour wondering how he could ever go back.
It's funny, he even chastised a pair of Imperial troops for being xenophobic dicks in his incredibly brief appearance in the first Dark Forces novel But instead of having them shot he basically said "If you're going to act like bigots at LEAST make sure the radio isn't on, first."
@@justlivin2499 If the writing and acting is made intentionally to be wooden and boring then they shouldn't be surprised when no one is interested or cares.
@@justlivin2499 Even so, Sabine's reaction wasn't. She sacrificed a galaxy to find him again. And then walks into it with the passivity of an ancient monk. And in the finale gleefully sent him away.
@justlivin2499 a laid-back dumbass who sacrificed himself to seal away the greatest threat to the galaxy has a passive reaction to his friends ruining his sacrifice not even because they love him but because they just wanted to see him again? Wow, Ezra Bridger sounds like an idiot, what did Kanan see in him?
The fact that Anakin decides to appear in front of his apprentice but was nowhere to be seen during Luke's journey in rebuilding the Jedi Order is beyond me and clearly shows you that these people have no idea what they're doing
Anakin appeared to Luke many times, it was mentioned in the canon books. Just because we didn't see it on screen doesn't mean it didn't happen. Ahsoka was his apprentice and one of the most important people in his life, he can't visit her?
As a life-long, die-hard Star Wars fan, it pains me to confess that my interest for Disney SW content has dwindled to nothing over the last few years. I've never watched a single episode of Ahsoka and I don't feel like I'm missing anything. This review pretty much confirms the sentiment.
The weird thing to is that Rosario Dawson is pretty athletic, and has done roles before that required some physicality. She also has exceptional range when acting. Despite both of these strengths, Filoni has decided to have her do the opposite in both cases for some strange reason...truly the force works in mysterious ways I guess?
The fact that the little girl looked more competent fighting Hayden than adult Ahsoka does💀 Hayden's cameo proves the superiority of the training George had him and Ewan do. We literally SEE him slowing down just so Rosario can keep up.
It's like George Lucas invested money into research and hiring true passionate professionals. Disney hires cheap bootlicking interns with zero life experience and it shows
Just in the clip Drinker showed you can see he is holding back. A real fight he would have just run her over like nothing. The fact that it has been almost 20 years since he's probably done that stuff speaks volumes as well. I don't expect a show like this to put them through what they did for the movies, but at least try. Sad what Star Wars has become under Disney.
The greatest lesson Disney Star Wars/Marvel has taught me: you don't have to watch a boring product just because you recognize stuff from other good works of art.
Works of art? Like what? Literally what in Star Wars is "works of art" compared to the recent stuff? It's all the same. All of it. Star Wars are bad movies, with cringy dialogue, over the top set pieces, overdramatic plots glued together by laser swords and space magic.
@@arkangelgaming35over the top set pieces, laser swords, and magic These don’t sound that bad to me Maybe the movies haven’t always been 10/10 films but you can’t deny that George Lucas creating the Star Wars universe isn’t in some way art, it’s like tolkiens lord of the rings, a lot of thought and skill go into making a universe seem real and lived in, to me that’s a form of art, an imitation of life
There's nothing to watch. Disney bough everything and the smaller studios copied everything they've done.....If you're not 12, anime sucks..... If you're a 30+YO white cis male introvert...... You've been robbed of everything you've ever cared about... PEOPLE SUCK and will destroy what you love.....
The Shot of Ahsoka crossing her sabers at 3:23 is like the perfect representation of Hollywood now. I can see Filoni now. “Rosario, after you slash these 2 stormtroopers down, make sure you finish with an epic crossing of the sabers!” So badass, so worthy of a poster or an action figure.
I got into a discussion here on RU-vid about Thrawn. The other person said something along the lines of "So what if he let them live? He got what he wanted, to get back to the Galaxy he's from". It was kinda sad to see their low bar. Book Thrawn would mop the floor with Show Thrawn. Heck, Rebels Thrawn would mop the floor with Ashoka Thrawn. Thrawn deserved better
You guys don’t understand. Thrawn is scared. That’s why he is only concerned with getting home and doesn’t care if the protagonists live or die. If you don’t believe me, watch literally any theory video about this planet. The nightsisters are scared too
I love how Anakin was like "Hey Ahsoka, can you make sure my son doesn't try to murder my grandson over a fucking nightmare causing the second massacre of The Jedi?" Oh wait he just said a bunch of nonsensical bullshit while showing that the choreography in the show outside of Baylan is terrible. Fair. Rest in peace Ray Stevenson, you're one of the most underrared actors of all time and were often the absolute best part of something silly or bad, most recently being the first compelling Star Wars character in almost a decade. Sadly fitting that you're more celebrated now than ever so shortly after you passed.
When my kids were little, I used to make up bedtime stories off the top of my head. They were stupid and made no sense, and they never really had an ending so after a while just said, “And then they lived happily ever after the end!” The kids liked it because they were little and I made funny faces and voices. Turns out, I could’ve been a Hollywood screenwriter.
Then again, you don't want any part of that industry. Hollywood will implode soon because A.I. and robotics will take over. Just look how Ashoka series has been a complete disaster. I know for a fact that A.I. will do a much better job writing than clown Filoni! And A.I. will also do a much better job than Kathleen Kennedy. Facts!
It would have been interesting to see how Ahsoka tracked down Morgan in the first place. Or her training Sabine and their falling out. Or Thrawn building up his forces and making his alliances with the witches. But just like the sequels, all the most interesting parts of the story are skipped. Honestly I think Sabine was an interesting enough character without making her a jedi. She was just bland in this.
Ezra, the guy who sacrificed himself to get rid of thrawn, stayed trapped on a depressing planet for a decade because of it. His best friend undos all of it in a second, and his reaction to all this? Offscreen and nothing and I think the big problem with Thrawn is that while he's a tactical genius, he's being written by people who aren't
Anyone but Timothy Zahn writing that character is going to fail. He’s a military sci-fi writer with a keen mind for tactics, you can’t just pretend to be that as an author.
I would be pretty pissed if I found out being trapped alone in another galaxy for 10 years to save my galaxy was undone in an instant.....but hey I'm not a jedi.
Thrawn has always been my favorite villain of all time. This wasn't Thrawn. It was the most DISRESPECTFUL bastardization of a character I've ever seen. In the original books he never lost a battle and was only defeated because his bodyguard betrayed him at the last possible second right on the cusp of destroying the New Republic. That is the absolute tactical GENIUS SAVANT this character is.
A beloved character, an experienced and competent actress, and a well-known and extensively developed cinematic universe. How could they possibly screw it up this badly? As Jeff Goldblum might say: "Disney, uh, finds a way."
I think Disney doesn't use real people to write. Everything Disney creates now feels like AI generated art: looks nice at first glance, but more you look at it, more you notice weird, horrible, unrealistic details in it.
Nah , ask chatgpt and it would probably create a banger script , using ideas from every single other piece of media , something so miserable is definitely human-made , it's bland , tasteless and shock you by how low creativity can sunk
We re-watched all 2.5 Seasons (Book of Boba Fett is Mando Season 2.5) of Mando to prep for Mando Season 3 and you can tell when the "influence of others" begins. When Ahsoka was done I asked my wife "which was your favorite Disney + Star Wars show?" With near zero hesitation, "Season 1 of Mando". Ahsoka wasn't "bad" (we watched Rebel's and Clone Wars before), I would put in the middle of the pack for the D+ shows (Mando S1 and Andor are on top). Ironically having just typed out D+ that is a great way to describe the grade for most of those shows.
@@Kleavers Rogue One is clearly the best movie this franchise has to offer period. The PT is total shit and the OT isn't nearly as good as you remember it.
I grew up seeing Ahsoka be fast, agile and acrobatic in every fight. It hurts to see her with the most boring and slow moves. Of course it can't be the same in Live Action as it was in animation but this is not even halfway decent.
Yea, that’s exactly why Star Wars Rebels is soooo good and makes all the live action movies look really really dumb. Then to make Ahsoka the absolute worst, there’s too much much dead air time with actors just smiling and staring at each other constantly, ugh such a waste of money and time.
I came into this for Thrawn, a dude who’s basically a cross between Sherlock Holmes and Erwin Rommel (eccentric, clever, tactically brilliant, politically naive, an “honorable man on the wrong side”) and everything about his portrayal in Ahsoka is a slap in the face to fans and the writer who created him. The guy’s supposed to love his crew, hate magic, be in his physical prime, have some actual *personality*, be working to STOP an extragalactic invasion, have no loyalties to the Empire itself, etc etc. Filoni really said “fuck you” to 30 years of this character and made tubby idiot blue Tarkin.
@@testcow2604 with all the chanting, too. If there’s anything that just screams “Thrawn,” it’s an egomaniac having a cult of peons shouting his name in unison.
Rommel was definitely not an honorable man on the wrong side lmao. The ss slaughtered Jews in North Africa behind the lines and Rommel did nothing to stop it
Great video. Relatively, it was more the Sabine-show than Ahsoka. Filoni missed opportunities to explore why Ahsoka even felt comfortable with being referred to as Jedi or taking on an apprentice. How did her relationship with Luke develop? She returned at the end of Rebels to Sabine because she knew she was going to look for Ezra, so why not show the development of their dynamic during that time. Who's idea was it that Sabine train in the ways of the Jedi and why? I feel like a lot of the things brought up in this show were already addressed in Rebels. Ahsoka realized Anakin's fate and faced Darth Vader, Sabine chose not to wield the darksaber. Same with Thrawn, was hoping for some dynamic between him and Ezra with some character development as well. Just another extremely disappointing series from Disney.
A perfect example of missed opertunities is in the episode where Ahsoka travels in the space wale and talks to the robot and the robot asks "do you want me to tell you one of the stories of the past" .... and she says "Naaaa let's talk about what happened the previous episode" .(which in universe time happened 5 min. Ago) ... here with no effort could have given us some background info about this planet and the history .... And when I've pointed that example to some Filonians. .. the usual answer is "well this is the genius of Filoni, he is giving us opertunities to theorize and he is preparing the ground for his next project. " ....
The reuniting with Esra has got to be the most soulless awkward moment in TV history. It's like watching 2 people on a first Tinder date that find each other extremely unattractive. ZERO chemistry and emotions. And they want us to believe she traveled across the universe to save THIS guy? Yeah right. I have better interactions with my dead grandmother.
I'm reminded of Tron: Legacy, when Sam was separated from his dad for years. How Ezra's meeting went: Sam meets CLU, zero chemistry and emotions. How Ezra's meeting should've been: Sam meets his father.
Yep and that's this whole show, no emotion on anyone's face, ever. Truly don't understand it, another example; Ahsoka is flying through a mine/asteroid field and her face is just, bland. Where's the direction !?
I've figured out the root cause for that: It's because Modern Woman™ can't be seen to be made happy by a man, or be strongly emotionally attached to anyone from the evil sex.
Building Thrawn up to be the biggest baddie only to have him be dumbed down to a comically stupid level is a spit on the terrifying genius he was on Legends
And by the way. Mysterious orb pointing out direction in a holographic map was done much better in Treasure Planet 20 years ago... Oh yeah, where is my Tresure Planet live action adaptation???
I think the ironic reason for Sabine not telling Ezra how exactly she got there is because even Filoni recognized himself that it would make Sabine out to look like a blatant fool and a war criminal who not only completely undid Ezra's sacrifice, but also betrayed Ahsoka and her "last" act of stopping the bad guys from getting to Thrawn; letting her presumed death be in vain, committed treason against the New Republic, and single handedly started another galaxy wide war, and Ezra would've had every reason to be angry and disgusted at her. So Filoni just swept it under the rug like it was no big deal.
could have been a great plot point and conflict between the characters...but obviously a snarky quip and a smug smile in response to a direction question is better 🙄
@@Foebane72agreed, it's Star WARS. Which is why only a complete moron would write shows about peace in that universe. Enter Disney, the magical land of complete morons.
The utter desecration of Thrawn by Filoni is the real heartbreak in this story. If the saying "a writer can't write a character smarter than they are" is true, then this is proof positive that Timothy Zhan is a goddamned genius and Dave Filoni is a drooling baboon. Zhan's Thrawn was a villain worthy of both respect and admiration.
It's so disconcerting watching Thrawn in the new canon just throw his people at problems like expendable pawns, when one of the hallmarks of Thrawn's command in the Zhan Trilogy was how he valued his men. The Thrawn of that era didn't believe in wasting resources of any kind, and that was important, as the Empire had been broken and far reduced from the power it had held after the rebellion, and so to be salvaged, it needed a leader that could work with what was left and not just throw men and equipment into the meat grinder the way the Sith had done before. That's why Thrawn was so critical. He single-handedly shifted the entire way their military operated, prioritizing competency over nepotism, strategy over brute force, and surgical strikes with trained soldiers over wave tactics of poorly equipped conscripts. The storm troopers started going from a joke to a an actually professional fighting force. Corruption in leadership started melting away. Officers and governors started being raised for their capability and command strength. Technology became less focused on big dumb death lasers and more on superior fleets and ships (the tie defender for instance). Nationalism surged in the hearts of the average citizen in a way that had never been possible under the brutal reign of the Emperor. And as a result of all of this, the Imperial Remnant would remain as a strong, viable nation which the Republic would have to tolerate and negotiate with long after Thrawn's death. In many ways, that was Thrawn's greatest accomplishment. Even if he failed ultimately to destroy the Republic and regain all of the Empire's lost territory, his actions ultimately stopped the decline of the Imperial Remnant and ensured its survival. It's not a stretch to say there may not have been an Empire left were it not for him. So to see that great commander reduced to another petty admiral. It's just ridiculous and shows how Disney could never hope to match that legacy.
Watched a Brandon Sanderson video where he talks about this. A 'smart' person tends to be able to solve a major problem within a short amount of time. Time, however, is something a writer has in abundance. That being said, I wonder how much time they really had to work on the script for Ahsoka before it got shoved out the door.
This, exactly. It's NOT THAT HARD. Create characters, personalities, motives, and mental ability and resources for the characters to either use or obtain for their goals. Create your story, and make subtle compromises to make things fit and have things MAKE SENSE. The greatest crime a writer of only mediocre talent can commit is belting out a story effort and not having some damned experience proof readers available to critique it. Lucas is guilty of this, Ridley Scott of this, and Filoni sure as heck is too. It's just so depressing to see a massive budget and experienced pool of actor talent wasted with terrible plot pacing, McGuffin use, and horrendous wooden dialogue, too.
@@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. There is a really easy trick to writing Thrawn. Thrawn is really, really good at cold reading his opponent. If he can learn enough about you he can anticipate your moves. A great, terrifyingly brilliant villain. But you don't have to be Thrawn-level smart to write Thrawn. You're the writer. You can also anticipate the opponent's moves, because you wrote them. That's how Zahn did it. He would come up with a counter to his own move, then come up with a counter to the counter, then he would right the brilliant back and forth between his intelligent characters. But Filloni can't have that. Because if Thrawn ever actually outwits his foes then you violate the core principal of all modern Disney: A girl can never lose to a boy. How the fuck do you make Thrawn terrifying and intelligent but also never win? It's impossible to write Thrawn while handcuffed by the Disney formula.
Hayden really did rock that fight scene. I was sorry that there were at least three instances where it was REALLY visually obvious he had to slow up on a swing and/or delay his strike so Dawson could catch up.
Ezra and Sabine reuniting should have been an emotionally conflicting and powerful moment, but they treated it like two friends running into each other at the super market. If I filmed the scene, I would have had Sabine find Ezra on her own. He comes out of some hidden cave ready for a fight. There are no weird alien people. He is alone, and a bit deranged/animalistic as he has been on the run from Thrawn for a decade. He doesn’t believe it’s her, he figures it’s a trick from the witches who work with thrawn, so he starts fighting Sabine . An emotional battle takes place, showing he still has it. She is no match for a Jedi who has been hardened by years fighting for his life. She is defeated but before he can land a killing blow, she says something about his former master (or something else personal that only she would know) to recall him to his senses and prove she is who she says she is. He immediately breaks down in tears, he never thought he would see her again. “How did you find me…” She explains how she made it there and that Thrawn let her go. His sadness turns to fear at and anger as he realizes by coming, she has not only most likely helped thrawn locate him, but she has potentially given thrawn a way to escape. Ezra begins shouting, “I gave up everything to protect the crew, the galaxy…you. Why would you do this, why didn’t you just leave me to die?!” Before Sabine Can answer, Thrawn arrives with a smirk on his face knowing ten years of patience has paid off.
This gave me actual chills. You really ought to consider writing your own version of each episode, because you truly have some great vision. Your wording alone is very well implemented, not to mention the actual story itself is far superior to what we got. Nice work!
That was the worst scene in the show to me. It should have been heart-rending, but was just glib bullshit. Truly awful, cringe-inducing and a tragic lost opportunity on every level.
We've gone from the days of assuming this scene played out off screen to actual confirmation that "nope it didn't and you don't even get to pretend maybe it did". If Dave didn't want to have to write some of this stuff out and then have to direct it, he could have at least implied that there were these conversations or moments that took place without us there to see it. I mean at least let me imagine that Sabine and Ezra had the reuniting they should and would have or that Sabine got an ass-chewing from Ahsoka, or again Ezra, for some of the shit she earned it for. I always figured George had some problem with inability to express much emotion or relate to other humans, but Dave too? I can forgive Thrawn looking how he does given the context of 10 years out there with just his boys, I mean who was he going to keep up appearances for, the nightsisters? He still needed to be brilliant though AND needed a reason for still being there and Dave just threw all that out the window with his story providing every reason and resource for Thrawn to have made it back home within maybe a week or two, probably an afternoon. At first I was enjoying it, then I was mostly enjoying it but with reflections of questions I shouldn't have been left with. Then by Ep 7 I was just unable to let the flaws go by let alone not notice them. There's still some potential there for some good to come out of the Baylan and Shin characters but I really don't want just more things to set up future things. I need to be actually finding the show I'm watching now to be good now and not hoping it will be next week.
This was a perfect analysis of this show. I binged the season and was left completely empty afterward. There was no emotion, no character development, and the characters merely switched locations by the end. The girl playing young Ahsoka had more emotional depth than Dawson and Ray Stevenson’s death means the only remotely interesting (morally ambiguous) character is gone. And that reunion of Ezra and Sabine was just weird. Are you telling me Sabine travelled across a Galaxy after 10 years to find this guy and then just stands there staring at him without emotion? WTAF
What sticks out to me the most is that there is NO ONE in quality control who just puts their foot down and tells someone: "NO. The quality of your work is atrocious." No one. Its obvious. No one can hurt anyones feelings. Everything is automatically great because its unique to your lived truth or some BS.
The best thing that can happen to a passionate author full of ideas is to have a friendly critic who can read his creation, analyze it impartially and advise him with kindness, but also honesty and rigor. Not to tear it down, but to point out improvements or flaws that the author could not see himself. To motivate the author to do even better.
The problem with your idea is that by the time a quality control guy could steep in the money is all ready spent on the project like its made its past the point of no return either reallse it you blew the cash on nothing
andor was really good. mando season 1 too. but yeah for the most part its been garbage. only thing im looking forward to now is andor season 2 since mando went to shit.
This really captured a lot of my feelings about the show. Honestly, I felt it wasn’t “Book of Boba Fett” bad in terms of how it treated the characters that inspired it, but it was still really poor writing. What is this show trying to convey? How do the characters grow and change? Sabine certainly doesn’t. She’s a woman continuing to grieve for her “friend” who selfishly refuses to take responsibility for her actions and spends the second half of the series numb to every problem she just created and every potential life lost because she enabled the return of an Imperial power. Yet somehow she is emotionally “punishing” herself so much for this decision that neither Ezra nor Ahsoka can bear to confront her about it. Once again, her only obstacle to growing her force power is accepting herself. And let’s think about Ahsoka, whose writing is pulled between developing her relationship with Anakin and Sabine. Her former master’s fall to the dark leaves her drowned in guilt, and they repeat the same journey from Obi Wan: Anakin all but directly absolves her of any guilt in his turn. I guess it works well enough, but Sabine, meanwhile, leaves her to die and makes a morally bankrupt decision on the exact same caliber as Anakin’s turn-potentially dooming the Galaxy to yet another war. However, that is simply glossed over for the sake of magically healing their relationship for the final part of the season. She makes no attempt to impress on Sabine the gravity of what she just did-even if Ahsoka refused to fully express any disappointment or anger about it. We just need their mutual antagonism to disappear because _reasons,_ so why not just make up some BS about, “Well, it was the only choice _for you,_ so it doesn’t matter.” I dare you to apply that same reasoning to Anakin’s turn and tell me you don’t feel the slightest bit wrong about that-even if you can sympathize with their respective decisions in the same way. Concurrently, Ezra-who essentially gave his life to take Thrawn out of the equation in the first place-says nothing to her when he learns the truth, nor expresses any genuine suspicion about the circumstances that sent her all the way to his corner of the universe. Come to think of it, he expresses very little emotion in general. I don’t think his emotional stability is necessarily a problem, but his lack of any feedback towards her completely misses. She just invalidated all of his efforts to fight the empire, and he is just _ok_ with that? People can be upset about the fights or about Thrawn’s decision making, but I feel like this story’s biggest sin was the fact that none of its central characters really truly *grow.* There’s no real dramatic tension in their conversations, no encouragement for mutual growth. They just switch to wisened versions of themselves on a dime when the situation warrants that, “ok she big girl now!” All the while, they continue to shove plenty of nostalgia in to lure an audience. That’s Star Wars now. Nostalgia and a bunch of stoic, emotionless actors standing around thinking they are delivering compelling dialog.
Even with how stupid the “remember Anakin” thing was, I have to give credit to Hayden Christensen. He is one of the few people who doesn’t act like a block of wood. A nice reversal to how Lucas screwed him over by telling him to act robotic. He delivers his lines perfectly, with class, style, and the charisma that Anakin had in the clone wars, but was missing everywhere else. Major props to him!
I have to admit I enjoyed the Anakin memberberries. However it is sad that those member berries were the best part of the show rather than the neat mid-season interval/pallete cleanser they ought to have been. It would be like watching Empire Strikes Back and the scene of Luke fighting the vision of Vader on Dagoba being the best bit in the movie by a mile, instead of being just another neat moment in a series of neat moments in that movie. Imagine Empire without the Wampa cave, no battle of Hoth, no Han and Leia, no Yoda, no Boba Fett, no Imperial March, no Vader outsmarting everybody, no Lando, none of that. Just Luke fighting Vader in the forest and the rest of the movie being a movie about boring dumbasses. That's Ahsoka.
@@MrMisanthrope84 I totally agree! Ahsoka herself feel EXTREMELY OFF in her own series! Either Filoni has had a stroke, lost his touch from the Clone Wars, or Kathleen Kennedy has micromanaged too much. His works before Mandalorian were good to great, the new stuff feels like he sold out and is just writing what he is told to. I am dying to know why the change of quality of writing has occurred, especially knowing that right before Mandalorian, He made the Clone Wars last season/revival which was one of his best works. Perhaps time will tell... Perhaps we will never know the truth... but I'll be wondering until we do...
@@MrMisanthrope84 The flashbacks/memories of Anakin and young Ahsoka were easily the highlight of the show. It was literally the only part I was engaged with. Worst part was the latest lore-destroying addition of having a non-force user grab a lightsaber from 20 feet away to kill an enemy after minimal training. Compare that to a young man half conjured by the force that struggled to the same thing in the Wampa cave after being trained by one of the galaxy's greatest Jedi. So epically ridiculous I want to vomit.
I mean he was literally going to be Vader in that movie , ofc he wanted him to already talk like the Vader we know. Very ... slow ... and ... emotionless ... my master. Not defending that it was a good idea because it makes him (the actor) look like a total idiot. But its not that George Lucas didnt had a motive for the robotic acting (even if its dumb). At this point just give Anakin his own show.
Maybe I missed others but finally a reference to RLM. 😂 My two favorite content creators when it comes to humorous and on-the-nose reviews. Thank you for being you, Drinker.
In Thrawn's first ever appearance in the book "Heir To The Empire", the climax of the novel has him use mining technology to burrow through the walls of Republic warships at a shipyard and send stormtroopers in to capture them all. The heroes figure out how to make the same tech keep on burrowing, resulting in more bulkheads being destroyed and the boarding parties getting exposed to the vacuum of space so that they get killed and can't make off with the ships. But even there, with his plan having failed, Thrawn is like "Well, better retreat now. We didn't get what we really wanted, but all of those Republic ships are disabled now and can't be used against us anytime soon, so at least there's that." That's MY Grand Admiral Thrawn. Even in his defeat there was a victory of sorts. Not sure WHO this imposter on the show is...
Honestly some of the things Zahn writes Thrawn doing in the newer books is amazing, *vague spoilers if you care* He manages to best another Grand Admiral due to watching recordings of him conducting music, being able to accurately predict his actions and not even be aboard his own ship as it happened. Or, in the Ascendency Books, he bests a superior force using a single gravity well generator, a force a quarter of his opponents size, and vastly inferior firepower. Ik many don’t read these books because of lack of trust of Disney, but tbh they are brilliant reads all 6 of them.
The key is that the books are written by Zahn, the man who created the character and is actually smart enough to create and describe complex battle tactics and strategy. The show is run by Filoni and puppeted by Kathleen Kennedy, neither of whom are smart enough to do that. @@snakeguy8646
Ya.. the Heir to the Empire books were the sequels that should have been made. This version of Thrawn has as much forsight and understanding as Filoni's Boba Fett had leadership skills. Also, you gotta love that in ep8, the jedi ship takes 2 shots from tie fighters and is basically crippled. Where 1-2 episodes before it was shot at by a swarm of fighters for like 10min flying around with not a scratch to show from it. That Thrawn's cap ship had the sensor power to dectect the jedi on wolfback approching from kilometers away, but they couldnt detect the jedi ship litterally fly right up under them. That Thrawn decided to shoot the ground to kill the jedi on wolfback, then send like 30 troopers to their deaths, AND a witch, all to stop the jedi from getting on board, but only once that FAILS does he remove the tower that LET THEM GET NEAR HIS SHIP......... The Thrawn from the books would have rigged the tower to blow, sent a skeleton force in to delay them, and then brought the whole thing down once they where half way up.
My sister was the biggest Ahsoka fan before this show. It was her favorite Star Wars character and she watched everything she was in. After watching this show she was so disappointed of how it turned out. It's so sad to see something see genuinely cared about and loved turned into this crap. She is a true Ahsoka fan for recognizing how bad it actually is instead of praising every second of it like every other "Ahsoka fan"
Yeah, my Mrs was the same. She's new to the films, having only watched them with me, but she'd known asoka from the clone wars which her brother watched years ago... she was gutted watching this series
That's incorrect, because I am the biggest Ahsoka fan before this show. Tell your sister to go back to her corner. And you know what? I'm even more of a fan after this show! And I generally don't like Disney Star Wars, but Filoni is a direct student under Lucas and you can tell. This was excellent!
What sucks is Timothy Zahn still works for Lucasfilm. Bring him in for Thrawn. Seriously, he wrote the character in both Legends and Canon and both works from what I can tell were well received. I would bring him on to work on his character and he at least works knowing that he needs to respect the lore.
The problem with Thrawn has been there since he was first reintroduced in Rebels, where he was constantly on the backfoot and spouting cope like "no, I am four steps ahead of those puny teenage rebels, I merely allow them to make me look stupid as I locate their main base", with his vampire organ theme and his Blizzard game voice acting. He was never actually allowed to do anything wrong, even though Filoni wasn't brave enough to give him any significant victories over his beloved heroes. Fans just forgave it because they remembered him from the old Legends trilogy back in the 90s where he was a legitimately badass villain, and he had a hype train building from his new books reintroducing him into canon. In this show though, he's fat, middle-aged and looks constipated (Rebels Thrawn is clearly shown to be in shape and an expert martial artist), and seeing him in live-action was the last thing fans were holding on to before they gave up on Star Wars forever. OG Legends Thrawn was frightening because he had a clear plan, a cool-headed analysis of the empire's situation, and a roadmap to victory that *allowed* for things to occasionally go wrong. He knew what was important and what was a trivial defeat that wouldn't matter in the long run. That's what actually smart leaders do. It's what Gendo does in Evangelion. He's fully focused on his plan and he doesn't care at all about things that aren't important. Disney's Thrawn has consistently fumbled around trying to look like a mastermind when actually he has no idea what he's doing.
Thrawn was good in Rebels. He was actually smart, and basically every L he took was because of an incompetent official (Konstantine) or something unpredictable happening (like Bendu). Miles ahead of this joke version of Thrawn in Ahsoka
Yeah, i was expecting Thrawn to be just as mentally fit and physically capable as he was in Rebels. I mean he could hold his own against almost any opponents and constantly trained and tried to evolve. It's pretty disappointing and underwhelming to see what they made him out to be in this, truly a shadow of what could have been an awesome villain quite like no other.
No spoilers, but Thrawn gloating at Ahsoka is out of character. Thrawn squandered his initiative, which is an amateur level mistake. He had the tactical advantage with a surface trapped adversary, and chose not to bombard with his main batteries. They played it off as a delaying gambit during an orchestrated withdrawal, but Thrawn failed to capitalize on a coup de grace moment with overwhelming force.
10:54 - Hayden was visibly holding back. I don't know if it was intentional or Ahsoka's actriss is bad choreography. But the impression it gives is that Anakin is in fact The Master
@@terranceroff8113 if by some miracle Lucasfilm got a regime change in the next couple of years I'd love to see him, Ewan and Natalie come back for one more big project. Give them the send off Mark, Carrie, and Harrison should've gotten.
I think it's the fact that people have been so excited to have Hayden back has touched him and made him happy to be back. It's like he can now get rid of the burden that the prequel trilogy put on his shoulders. People used to think of him as one of the worst parts of Star Wars and now he's seen as one of the best.
The irony here is that Ahsoka, at least in the Clone Wars show, was one of, if not the best-written characters. She started out in the series as a cocky and hot-headed teenager that, over the course of the series, grew and evolved. She was put through trials that challenged her emotionally (dealing with the guilt of getting her whole squadron killed and an admiral critically injured when she disobeys a direct order) and physically (captured and forced to be hunted for sport without her lightsaber and has to join forces with other padawans to escape the planet). It was these experiences that not only humbled but helped her grow into a strong jedi. She went from one of the more annoying characters at the beginning and ended up becoming one of the most beloved.
Yeah, I liked the non-live-action Ahsoka Tano. She was a good character. I choose to hypnotize myself into forgetting that this show was ever made and that this good character was ruined.
This is the problem with bringing a legacy character back as the main protagonist, after their character arc has already been completed. Either you need to come up with some REALLY strong new arc to develop said character further, or they should be a side character rather than the main one.
I thought Thrawn looked pretty fat in that uniform. I couldn't believe it when I learned it was actually Lars Mikkelsen whom I remember as the skeletal Charles Augustus Magnussen in Sherlock. As Thrawn he looked like a blue Data.
George Lucas once said Star Wars has a lightside (selflessness), a darkside (selfishness), characters that make choices, and consequences suffered for those choices. He also said it was about family and relationships. Sabine was a SELFISH ASS. She put a FREAKING galaxy at risk, and she suffered NOTHING. Mandalore (Sabine's home) that Bo and Din are rebuilding is right next to Dathomir where Thrawn is now. Thrawn will likely wipe out Mandalore again. Lothal (Ezra's home) will likely also be attacked by Thrawn. Ezra was apparently her "only family." I guess Hera, Zeb, Jacen, and Chopper were shit to her then. What the hell was so special about Ezra? Maybe if she was madly in love with him that could work (she'd still be an ass but at least have a HUMAN reason for what she did)... but no... romance in modern Star Wars can't happen. Din and Grogu has been the only interesting relationship. She gambles the fate of the galaxy just to see a guy and when she gave the map to Baylan, she had no prospect of ever getting back home. She seems perfectly content to just kick back and relax with the guy (probably for the rest of her life at that point) but yet she keeps him in the dark on EVERYTHING important. She later sends him off without a tear or a care like the McGuffin Ezra was in the show. How does someone risk the fate of an ENTIRE GALAXY just to at most likely see and spend the rest of their life with someone then an hour later not care that they're gone? How do they suffer no consequences for their actions? How did Ahsoka just forgive her? Sabine's actions made no sense. She lied, stole, she was untrustworthy, she was selfish, she didn't follow advance or warning, etc. NOW THEY ARE CALLING HER A JEDI? Sabine is a Sith, not a Jedi. So much potential but it was all wasted.
Are you gonna ignore the fact Bo-Karen is a f-ing narcissistic sociopath who has always cared only about herself and about power, was ensl4ving and torching innocent villagers and enjoyed the power trip it gave her, terr0rized Mandalore for who knows how many years and wanted to get her own sister killed to establish a warmongering t0talitar!an r3gime, but then she was whining and pretending she never wanted her dead, she lies and manipulates everyone for her personal gain 24-7, blames everyone except of herself for her mistakes and bad deeds...but somehow she is supposed to be seen as a hero? If Dangerhair is on the dark side (which she definitely is), Bo-Karen is too, and she is Palpatine´s level of evil. Mandalore deserves to be shot into pieces for following that monster. Hell, it was already glassed by the Empire because that entitled narc cursed it, and the same people who suffered because of her are still following her. They will never learn.
If there is one person I feel bad for in all this, it's Timothy Zahn, the original creator of the Thrawn character in Star Wars from back before Disney. He then returned to write more on this character after Disney bought the franchise and rebooted the universe, but had to hamstring him to comply with the stories of less competent writers. And now Thrawn is in live action, completely outside of the hands of his original creator, and look how they massacred him.
Zahn has a history of being screwed over with star wars. He wasn't even informed when LFL decided to kill off Mara Jade and he had already been hired to write a Skywalker Family road trip storyline by that point.
Zahn is a science-fiction writer and his specialty is military sci-fi, so of course his Star Wars villain was a tactical genius and competently written as such. Nobody but him should be writing Thrawn. If you make Thrawn just another imperial officer it doesn’t matter anymore.
A fucking MEN. They literally had ready made awesome with those books.. The tech finally caught up to do them too. It's a lesson to learn. We mean nothing to the elite.
As a person who grew up loving the 2008 Clone Wars TV show and especially the character of Ahsoka, I was so disappointed with how she's portrayed here. She started off snarky and scrappy, a little annoying, but being so involved with the war forced her to grow up fast. It was great to see her develop into a strong, confident, engaing character who never lost sight of her goals, people she cared about, or sense of humor, all while still respecting both her various masters and the force. The conclusions to her story in both Clone Wars seaon 5 and 7 are some of my favorite moments in Star Wars. I didn't really enjoy most of Rebels, but it did Ahsoka very well. She was much more mature and spiritual while still maintaining an air of kindness and dignity. It was also great to see her teach others the way Anakin taught her, and the way she had to grapple with the dark lord he had become. But in her own show? She's completely emotionless, rarely takes decisive action, is constantly making questionable choices, and doesn't seem to learn from her mistakes. The more I watched the show, the more I felt myself simultaneously frustrated with and bored by what I still consider one of my favorite Star Wars characters.
Exactly and that RU-vidr Star Wars theory says her being emotionless is her character development smh the defenses for this show is just as bad the defenses for kenobi
I just disappointed we didn’t see more of her and Rex, I figured he was most likely dead but even still would’ve it would’ve been a tear jerker to find out from her
Ahsoka's Thrawn: "Why am I constantly mismanaging my forces, making stupid decisions and plagued by poor judgement resulting in me losing what was a won, decisive battle?" Your average WWII Japanese Admiral: "First time, gaijin?"
The fact that Drinker has to sit and watch these horrendous shows and actually not lose his mind is absolutely well deserving of some respect, because others don't have to watch it now thanks to him
Watching Anakin reminded me that the physicality needs to be a higher priority when casting these roles. It's not a male/female thing. The unathleticism of Dawson kept me out of it at times.
Just look at the casting of Zoro in One Piece. The actor is perfect for the role (despite all the setbacks of his character writing for being “too cool”). He has physicality. He is proficient in fighting choreography because he has an experience of playing in so many anime adaptations beforehand.
Ugh, Thrawn. When Timothy Zahn introduced him as a villain (in a novel too, no less), he made you wonder if the Rebel Alliance would've stood a chance had he been in charge of things. He commanded sitting down from a ship bridge full of artwork, never raised his voice, yet he didn't need to execute senior officers to be as menacing as Vader. And then Filoni appropriated Thrawn into his version of Star Wars by neutering him. As for the lightsaber fights being slow, it's worth pointing out that lightsabers are incredibly lightweight because all the weight is in the hilt. That's why Anakin and Obi-Wan twirling their sabers around made sense, overdone as the choreography may have been. It's also why lightsaber fights should never be slow. Ahsoka looked like she was swinging a club at times.
Anakins lesson to asokha was very underwhelming and im glad drinkers joke about learning that its better to be alive than dead acctuslly sums up what i took from that encounter. I was really hoping somewhere in the show Asokha hits her lowest point and thats when anakin shows up since it was pretty much confirmed he was gonna be on this show. As for the lesson i couldnt come up with one in my mind but i was sure the writers could think of something. But unfortunately nope. Cool to see Anakin Skywalker live action with his clone wars persona. But poor reasoning for why he was there.
As an actual fan of Rebels, my main issue with this show - among a miriad others - is that Ahsoka, Sabine, and Hera don't feel like themselves. Instead of the energetic and caring women that they were they are now all just stoic pieces of wood that mostly care about their own goals.
It's like they can't help themselves. And I can't even come up with a sane reason as to why they would see this as a good thing? Let's make all our female characters into uncaring bricks that ultimately only care about themselves. The audience will find it so relatable!
not like disney has been butchering established characters since they got their hands on the franchise. look at what they did with han, luke, leia they feel more like an inverse carricature of themselves. like their characteristics were flipped on the head and dialed up to 11
Back in the last episode of rebels, even on CGI Sabine you could see how much she regretted not even kissing Ezra before he "hyperwhaled" into the unknown and now when their IRL characters 'reunite' it's like 'hey, nice to see you again, bestie friend, forever in the friendzone!' Sheesh, me and my best friend greet each other with more love than this and we are not gay.
When TCD mentioned how they could have found Ezra 10 years later now a hardened warrior after so long being on his own it really made me sad at what could have been. Ezra could have gone from his old self to someone who has been struggling, running, and fighting nonstop for a decade, always trying to keep Thrawn trapped on that planet. Perhaps even fighting to protect the innocent locals Thrawn was subjugating and stealing from for resources. The other galaxy's war might have ended, but he was still fighting. When Sabine finds him, he's a different person. Maybe he's struggling with his emotions, having had to bottle them up and just keep fighting to survive. So when he's with Sabine he becomes overwhelmed by both immense joy & relief to finally see a familiar face, to finally think his nightmare was over and he can go home, but then overwhelming anger the moment he realizes what she's actually done to help Thrawn return. How she's betrayed everything he's had to struggle for alone for so long. They could fight and have drama. Ezra would be 100% right about Sabine's terrible decision and could be deeply hurt and angry. Sabine could undergo a character arc and realize her motivations were selfish, risked the galaxy, and certainly didn't take into account what Ezra would have wanted. However, only after seeing how changed Ezra has become, she could still feel right in her decision to come for Ezra. Likely sensing he probably couldn't have gone on much longer alone. Ezra needed to be saved before he broke, perhaps completely losing the good person he once was. He needed help badly. Ezra could have also had a further character arc showing him teetering along the lines of becoming a Sith. This could also bring more out of Ahsoka (if she was a better character with realistically written issues and struggles), who also struggled when she fought during the Clone Wars. So she could mentor him. Maybe treating him as her own Anakin to keep him from walking the path of the Sith with all the trauma, the PTSD of constant fighting, and bottled up emotions he's left unaddressed for 10 years. ... That would have been interesting. But no, we've got completely non-threatening, agreeable puppy-dog Ezra who was basically doing fine living with his bug-crabs and doing nothing of value. He seemed like he was perfectly content living on that plane the rest of his life and barely seemed excited to be going back to the other galaxy. He is a non-character with no backbone or personal opinion. He'll say, do and be whatever the other characters (and writer) want from him. If it wasn't a massive plothole that even Filoni couldn't have gotten away with, I wouldn't have been surprised if he'd written Ezra's presence out of the last few episodes entirely since Ezra was just taking up space and was a background character anyway. His role as a MacGuffin really could have been replaced by a piece of furniture.
@@Yj-Fj Oh, thank you. I'm definitely not a Hollywood or script writer. I just like coming up with stories. God knows Hollywood and other forms of entertainment aren't providing much to anything good lately.
@Yj-Fj Well, I'm with the other guy on this, ur 1st part was INFINITELY more interesting, compelling, emotional, and character/canon accurate than what literal teams of HOLLYWOOD PRODUCERS AND WRITERS came up with for yet another travesty of a star wars show. Filoni is a hack, once upon a time he wrote a good animated show and then sniffed so many of his own farts (like so many other people in Hollywood) that he has completely lost his way. He doesn't know how to write Ahsoka without Annikans participation and influence. She just comes off as bland and uninteresting without him. I never really got into rebels, I watched it when it first came out but ill admit it was just background noise for whatever I was into at the time. I wasn't really invested. That said, Filoni took away all those characters agency in this show as well. It's almost like he can't feel the same way about live-action characters the same way he feels about animated ones. All their emotions are surface level at best and they come off just so damn uninteresting in there motivations and expectations. It's like watching someone who read these characters Wikipedia pages try and write a story for them. It's embarrassing how bad they all come off and feel while ur watching them all. Anyway that's just my 2 pennies. I don't even know how it's possible for these so-called professionals in Hollywood to miss so many open layups with this franchise but they do time and time again and it's as sad as it is ridiculous.
I’ve read all the Thrawn books and loved how he was portrayed in Rebels. Here he’s just a bloodthirsty villain without personality, just like everyone else. It’s so sad to think of what this show could’ve been.
Remember the Thrawn from the Timothy Zahn (the actual creator of the character !) books? Those books introduced me to the original EU. That character and Mara Jade were the first characters (besides the original trilogy characters) that made me fall in love with Star Wars. I didn't like his portrayal in Rebels and here he is just wasted.
Imagine how frustrating it might be for Mon Mothma’s actress to be given such a great material to play in Andor and then having to deliver those terrible flat lines in Ahsoka.
@@TheAttendeeMoney isn't everything when you actually care for your work. I know because I care for my work and even when I'm paid, when I have to do something I know is wrong, I complain and try to warn my superiors and avoid the mistake I see, but, If I can't change my superior's mind, I do the job and take satisfaction in the "I told you so" moment. But even my bank account can't make up the frustration and disappointment I feel for the wasted opportunity and wasted hours of work I put into the failed project. You can't separate your emotions from your work completely. I really wish you could, but only sociopaths are capable of something like that.
I’m convinced todays actors don’t give a shit, for instance; I can’t imagine Daisy walking up to Kathleen telling her the dialogue is cringe, like Mark, and Ford did to George, and I’m pretty sure Leia fought back quite a bit as well. Today however, as long as they’re paid it’s whatever.
There was a lot to be upset about here, but the biggest one for me was the emotional dishonesty. Moments that should've been devastating or powerful were glossed over. Sabine and Ezra meeting again should've been tonally very very different. Ahsoka seeing Sabine again after she gave the map to the villians and got captured and taken to another galaxy? Another emotionally charged moment, wasted. Thrawn escaped and they're stuck in this galaxy? Knowing nod, and a pat on the back. Music swells like everything's great. Job well done. What the hell was that? This is literally the worst thing that can happen.
“Well, they’re all back together. I hope I survive long enough to see the outcome” was the only joke I laughed at. Isn’t that ironic that a droid got more personality than every other character combined?
The show had enough time for Ezra to pull his stupid dramatics stepping out of the ship and waiting to take the helmet off, but then skipped showing us whether Hera gave him a hug or a handshake after ten years
This is one of the key disconnects for me. While I enjoyed the show in a lot of aspects this indifference, denial, shrug off, whatever you want to call it - took the human out of it. Made the gravity of situations feel non important.
He did though. The Clone Wars arguably resurrected interest and even reshaped a series that George Lucas almost managed to destroy [to say nothing of Rebels and The Mandalorian, and even Resistance to a lesser extent]...but just like Lucas, he lived long enough to become a villain, rather than bow out a hero. Disney needs to just to just chill on the content for a bit, and Filoni needs a Filoni to recontextualize the damage.
What's with the narrowed eyes on Ahsoka, Thrawn and other characters? I tried doing that and my wife said, "Why are you scrunching your face up like that? Are you in pain?" I said, "No...don't you think it makes me look wise and knowing?" She just laughed at me. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. I'll cross my arms next time and stare at her forehead. That may work. Or not. Also, why doesn't this awful series have any strong male characters who can fight? Seems Disney is determined to force this crap down our throats. It reminds me of the prep I have to drink before a colonoscopy. It may _say_ "Cranberry Flavor" on the bottle, but in the end (pun intended) it's still prep.
Well I guess I watched this show with Rose-tinted glasses. I went into it blind so when I saw it was a sequel to Rebels I was grinning ear to ear and enjoyed myself the whole time then again I enjoy things really easily 🤷♂
The show lost me the moment when they started trying to give Sabine Force powers. She never showed any ability or inclination towards it at any point in Rebels, and they just wrote this garbage like "See? We told you that potential was there all along, wink wink." The only time in Rebels there was any sort of Force reference with her was when she was training to use the Dark Saber with Kanan and there was the two lines of dialogue where she said "The blade feels lighter.", to which he replies "You're connecting with it." And no, that line does not inherently mean Force sensitivity. In actual fact, Sabine showed regularly through out that entire training sequence that she didn't need Force powers, she was already a badass from her Mandolorian training and weapons engineering knowledge. Her character was totally fine as she was, but she got screwed over by Kathleen Kenedy's "the Force is Female" campaign. To paraphrase K-2SO, "Congratulations, your gender is being empowered; please do not resist."
Not to mention, the darksaber was supposed to meant to represent the Mandalorian Throne, and two of the previous wielders (Pre Vizla and Bo Katan) pretty much demonstrated that you don't need no force powers to fight using it. The "heavy blade because you have heavy emotions" thing is like the real life equivalent of not being able to finish a task in time because you are unwilling to do it in the first place but you have to accomplish it in either way.
Filoni blew his load on the first stroke(first episode) there were a myriad of ways to show Sabine losing to Shin.......and Filoni went with a fakeout death and making lightsabers even more useless.
