AI Image Generation Algorithms - Breaking The Rules, Gently 

You mean a veritable wasteland of surrealist horror?

So are these strange AI generated images basically what you see when you close your eyes?

TBH I wouldn't be surprised if I saw an AI generated eldritch monstrosity in one of your videos

I read this like Salad Fingers was saying it in my head

Thanks, Bingus.

Would be a great album cover

Someone needs to write the book

@@molybdomancer195 chatGPT could write the book

My grandfather used to read it to me when I was small.

@@molybdomancer195 I'm on it 👍

Could try new scrambled versions of the FAULTY TOWERS sign.

YARD YAY

Yes! Made me think of a well-known example "YARD SARD"

YARRD OR SALD

those were absolutely the most true-to-life images ive seen from any neural network

Needs to be featured in one of those precautionary advertisements that Shrimp does. :)

I'm laughing my ass off on my way to work replaying that clip I can't breathe

I'm crying in laughter sitting in a café looking at that creation

Maybe he can ask chatGPT to write this story in a follow up video :D

@@Soken50 I prompted chatgpt to write a story about him. It goes something like this: "Once upon a time, in a far-off forest, there lived a Wockis named Bingus. Bingus was not like any other Wockis in the forest, for he had a love for one thing above all else: booze. While other Wockis spent their days foraging for food and building homes, Bingus spent his time searching for anything he could ferment and turn into alcohol. He collected berries, fruits, and even flowers to make his potent concoctions. Bingus was not a very good Wockis. He often stumbled around drunk, and his home was always in disarray. His fellow Wockis disapproved of his behavior and shunned him. But Bingus didn't care. He was content with his boozy lifestyle. One day, while out searching for ingredients for his latest brew, Bingus stumbled upon a group of humans having a party in the forest. The humans were drinking and dancing, and Bingus couldn't resist joining in. As the night wore on, Bingus became the life of the party. His drunken antics and strange Wockis behavior had the humans in stitches. They even started calling him "Boozing Bingus," which only made him drink more. But as the night drew to a close, Bingus realized that he was lost in the forest, far from his home. He stumbled around, trying to find his way back but to no avail. As the sun rose in the sky, Bingus collapsed from exhaustion and too much alcohol. Hours later, Bingus woke up to find himself in a strange place. He was in a human hospital, hooked up to all sorts of machines. The humans had found him and brought him here, hoping to save his life. Bingus was confused and scared, but he soon realized that he needed to change his ways. He couldn't keep living his life as a drunkard, ignoring his responsibilities as a Wockis. So he sobered up, apologized to his fellow Wockis, and started to make amends for his past behavior. Bingus still enjoyed a drink now and then, but he never let it consume him again. He learned that there was more to life than just getting drunk and that being a responsible member of his community was more important than anything else. And so, Bingus the Boozing Wockis became Bingus the Responsible Wockis, a role model for all the other Wockis in the forest." It even has a moral!

he is experienced in reading identically nonsensical gibberish from scam/phirshing emails

I imagine there must be so many outtakes for him to do this so fluidly! And I agree, it's very entertaining!

I like it when every so often, once in a blue moon, he can’t help but laugh. I remember ‘disguised as gold bricks’ but that may be the only time.

@@ollllj hello there fellow rainbow Megute

Reminds me of my friend writing “fun facts about funland” for his geography class

I love Funland! 😃

I know when I'm dreaming once I try to use my phone in the dream. It looks normal but clicking on apps or trying to take a picture makes everything jumble

There is probably some sort of correlation, your mind is just piecing together things it's seen and makes something believable of it, but since there's no physical relation to the imagination the things you see don't have to follow the rules of nature. I once dreamt I was walking in the middle of a city I know very well, the difference was, it was all empty, not a single person, car or tram, and the sun was shining a little too bright, but it was a lovely stroll and everything else appeared truthful to reality.

This is a common reality check in lucid dreaming. Looking at a clock or any form of text to see if it's malformed or odd is an indication you may be dreaming, you can also try looking away and try willing the text/numbers to change and then looking back. I remember the clock check but you are right about the text too!

Yeeeeaaaah, I also always thought about that. Also while focusing on what exactly my mind imagines and comparing it to AI work

IMO the part of your brain that organizes your dreams probably can't understand language, but knows how to make things look believable. This is likely whats going on here with the AI

Lots of English English-speakers can do this - we've heard plenty of people pronounce Llangollen and Llandudno properly over the years! I don't doubt that many cannot (or do not, in any event). In the event that anyone does *not* know how Ll is pronounced, I give you the exposition by Edward Lhuyd (1660-1709): L has two pronunciations in the oldeſt MSS. That which is common in the Engliſh and all other Languages, and that which is at preſent peculiar to the Welſh, and is beſt learn'd by the Ear. Its perform'd by hiſſing the L thro' the Teeth ſide-wards, and altering it in the ſame manner as T is alter'd by the addition of the h, in the word Think, &c.

@@jonathanrichards593 Brilliant!

And that X!

IKR it's llovely

in fact, without hesitation, deviation or repetition...

Pergency Wanged, what's more. It's like something a small boy would say...

​@@jonathanrichards593 that reminded me so much of that meme where no one can spell pregnancy

I wonder if it would be possible to ask these AIs if they could create an image of ‘badly made AI generated image of a dog’ or ‘a dog in the style of AI generated images from the early 2020s’ or something akin to this. I also wonder if it would be able to create these images, and if we would have to feed it these horribly made AI images so it can learn what it would even mean to prompt these things. Then we would perhaps be able to make it create bad/wacky AI images intentionally and on purpose.

@@SophiiLuca brilliant 🤣

​@@SophiiLucainfinite ai loop

They'll still be around. Many of these AI models can be run locally on people's PCs, so people will have them downloaded which means they will likely be reuploaded by people who collect all the versions as they come out.

The Ai is not there to make art, is just to imitate the work of people so you can pay the corporations instead of the artists so if a picture looks weird and interesting, the developers will put a lot of effort to fix that, so it can looks just like a human work

I always hear that but I distinctly remember a dream I had a few months back where I was reading something and I could read it perfectly fine. IIRC it was some kind of horror story.

@@MysteriumArcanum I have also had one dream where I actually saw legitimate text in first person

@@sarah12232 so you could read it and it actually made coherent sense?

@@MysteriumArcanum Same, but instead of some book or story, it was a label with a name and description of a species of snail, on the tank which said interesting snail was in.

It's what text in my dreams look like, although real words do turn up as well. When I look back again, the text has changed.

Lol it’s purposely making mistakes bro. It can read text. Write an entire essay word perfect within seconds. Create detailed images within seconds. It’s safeguarding against fraud etc, i could be saying create a realistic image of showing screenshot me transferring money to u from my bank. It’s their version of having a watermark so u can see an image isn’t real.

​@@YougottadoWell, I made that comment over a year ago, and AI has changed a lot since then, so my comment above was limited by what I knew about existing technologies at the time. To your point, that's certainly one of the possible reasons - similar to how early versions of DALL-E wouldn't reliably generate faces - but it's far from the only reason. ChatGPT may be able to "write" an essay in seconds, but from a generative perspective, text and images are two very different beasts. There are only 26 letters in the English alphabet and there are a finite number of ways to arrange them, the most common of which will be reflected in the training data. Image generation is a lot more complex because there are a lot more colours than there are letters, and there are a lot more pixels in an image than there are letters in an essay. Ultimately, AI doesn't "know" when it produces bogus output. There are safeguards a programmer can put in place to reduce the amount of bogus output, but an AI left to its own devices is bound to mess up once in a while. Some models may be designed to produce bad text on purpose, but the longer this tech develops, the less you'll start to see that happen. A lot of generative AI models these days are open source, meaning people can exploit them for all kinds of nefarious purposes. I'd love to live in a world where it was impossible to generate a fake bank screenshot with AI, but unfortunately, that's not the world we live in.

@@YougottadoThe text AIs are different models, image AIs are just bad at text

Maybe an Ai could write it for us.

@Harry Satchel always drinking and getting drunk, hence the "Boozing", lmao

We need a high quality bound illustraited version of Bingus the Boosing Wockus.

He's pronouncing it as if it is written in Old English. This was the form of English that was used in Anglo-Saxon times... around 500AD. As an example, the Anglo-Saxon poem Beowulf was written in Old English. The scholars have worked out how the language was pronounced through studying the literary works from that period... such as by studying the rhymes in poems. It's a fascinating version of English - it's the original precursor of the language, before all the Viking and French influences kicked in, which changed the language so much. I'm sure these old languages would influence game developers, who would want to get an authentic feel for the game. :)

I was thinking Irish or Gaelic and perhaps a tiny bit of Latin and Icelandic, comparison-wise. Well or Old English of course, but that's just the boring truth.

@@happybunny1329 Love Simon's channel and also RobWords who has a video: Anglish that you might enjoy 🤠

@@LimeyRedneck Thanks very much. I will check it out. :)

@@LimeyRedneck History with Hilbert is another.

For those not familiar with “adpositions” like me until a few seconds ago, according to Wikipedia, “Prepositions and postpositions, together called adpositions, are a class of words used to express spatial or temporal relations or mark various semantic roles. A preposition or postposition typically combines with a noun phrase, this being called its complement, or sometimes object.” From what I can tell, especially in the context of prompts for AI, they are a class of filler words I have generally learned to exclude despite not knowing it, just because as ollllj said for an AI they are often filler that can introduce lexical ambiguity.

I think you're talking about Midjourney, not DALL-E.

@@rkvkydqf you're probably right. It's been quite a while since I last played with these AI image generators.

Midjourney is still in beta. I had a chance to try it out and it is great for more artistic prompts but I don't think it would get great results for a video like this.

@@EvanBear It honestly can! You sometimes have to run a few prompts but it makes amazing things, in an artistic style. It's great with fantasy concepts, DnD characters, magic or pretty lighting.

@@OhSoUnicornly Yes it's very artistic but it doesn't do well with "in the style of X" type of prompts. It has its own style. I got amazing cyberpunk images out of it tho, so I'm not knocking down Midjourney as a tool but if you still have attempts try the squirrel on a red table eating colorful marbles prompt.

@@EvanBear Ah I see - it would do great with "strange animal in a field" type prompts though, which Mike seemed to be lamenting the lack of in this one!

Fun fact, the type of text you are referring to is called "greeking".

I'm sure an overwhelming majority of its database is english text though

that pfp looks so cool yet so cursed.

i guess it worked because before reading the whole comment I check your pfp as you mentioned it and I thought it looked like "himbo"

what is AI but the dreams of a million scientists

The only text I clearly remember from a dream is a candy bar labeled "Carraheers" almost certainly prompted by me (while awake) reading a candy bar label and wondering what carrageenan was. It was in the style of a Three Musketeers bar by the way, making the dream word a portmanteau of carrageenan and Musketeer. Now that I think about it, that's eerily similar to what these programs are doing...

I don't know if i'm weird, but i remember any text in my dreams being completely coherrent and sensible

Can people stop making this comparison please

@@rowboat10 No because it's a good one.

I think you might be onto something here. Maybe dreams are like AI, trying to make sense of the training output during the day but lacking frontal lobe sensemaking and coherence?

@@Cojrak yes. And also, where do you get your stuff? I need it.

​@@Cojrak A reason text in dreams doesn't make much sense, other than maybe couple of words, is because your brains hippocampus or "RAM" isn't enough to keep it a whole page of written text in memory, and even if you have texts perfectly memorized your brain doesn't keep that text stored like an "image" that it can just load. This is true even if you vivid dream and can make perfect sense of things, when you've trained yourself to vivid dream you'll notice things can warp and change as your brain is making some approximations. So it wouldn't be related to not being able to make sense of things. If you're looking at a map, the details will change as you move your "eyes" across the map and back, text contains a lot of very specific shapes to make sense to us and can't just be approximated, so things like text on the map won't make sense and change outside of the word you're reading. And even that might be a bit fuzzy and imperfect from person to person.

@@riggles That's actually a fascinating take. I have some education in neuropsychology but it's not something I specialize in. However, I recently read some scientific articles about inner speech, or more accurately, how very hard it is for scientist to find consensus definition and explanation for that phenomenon (there has been some research concerning schizophrenia and attempts to define voice hallucinations as inner speech of whose origins are misinterpreted, but that would require a definition of workings of inner speech so..) . So I can see your point, that text is not stored as a text but as a more salient memory, but if not text and if not speech then what is it stored as. This is more of a rhetorical/philosophical question, not directed at you, though of course if you have thoughts I would be interested in them. I'm still left thinking about AI training input as a model/metaphor for human dreams (humans having much less and still too much input during the day). I've not thought it through scientifically yet, though I would not say it's not million miles away from Antti Revonsuo's threat simulation theory. And come to think of it, maybe it would work as a metaphor for learning that is associated in the development of psychopathology, where some events and threats are blown out of proportion due to higher than usual exposure to negative situations.

​@Riggles1 I've never gotten this "text can't be read in dreams" thing since I've had multiple really vivid dreams where I've read like entire pages of things from the internet. One of the dreams I even read this very wordy comic twice over and it was the same each time

Chinese Room thought experiment With enough rules and time, you could have someone speak fluent Chinese without understanding a single word he hears or says

I have thought about looking into voice cloning, and I have seen some impressive demonstrations of it, but they are never nuanced enough for me to hand over a script to them. Sometimes I don't know how I am going to express a particular phrase until the words come out of my mouth

I'm also just now realizing this is the exact same meaning that humanity might have found at the top of a mountain. Or the bottom of the Mariana Trench. I've personally climbed down and up the grand canyon in a single day. And that feeling has real comparisons to my night of 'texting' chat gpt We're in a very strange place as a species. Entire leaps of societal progress are just hopscotch to train the future.

I guess it depends on uniqueness and the transformative nature of the result, but I'm not sure if that's quantifiable. Generally you are allowed to create a derivative of the original work if it doesn't compete with it.

The USCO (U.S. Copyright Office) just decided that images generated by an AI cannot receive copyright protection. Here it were pictures for a comic generated by Midjourney. To summarize very shortly, the text prompt doesn't influence the result sufficiently to be considered the source of the picture, and only things created by a human can receive copyright protection. This means pictures generated by an AI are in the public domain.

There has to be creativity and legal precedent at least in the US says that has to be human. PETA tried to claim copyright for a monkey which had taken its own photo by means a movement sensor. The court agreed the human photographer had not taken the photo so he lost his copyright but the monkey couldn’t be given it so the photo is now in the public domain. I suspect any AI generated material would fall into the same category

​@@molybdomancer195what about if it's an AI generated artwork of a copyrighted character? I remember a month or so ago there was this whole big issue of vtubers telling their fans to only tag them in art they did in the traditional way and being against AI art. In that instance I kind of agree with them because the AI is sampling artwork created by other people and thus it's not entirely original.

In the US, no one owns the output and the images cannot be copyrighted (transformative media, fair use) I assume it’s only a matter of time before corporations lobby to get ownership of AI images so their precious money-saving AI-made brands can be monetized to the moon and back

Yes llol ythlet lor

Itt ettpy gtret

That typo wasn't even deliberate. My keyboard is acting up at the moment.

To me, that's fuel for nonsense words when it comes to scambaiting.

PLS NO ONE GUY DID IT AND I WAS TERRIFIED

I had a dream like that last week, I was trying to follow some instructions but couldn't understand them. Then I realised that I was at a place I had worked at over thirty years ago that no longer exists. I concluded that I was dreaming.

Right, I could probably come up with a couple half convincing korean characters but if a korean person tried to read them nothing would make sense. Some of the characters wouldn't be real, others might be very close to real or real but make no sense in the context.

That's an interesting discussion for sure, but you're not disagreeing with anything I said in this video

@@AtomicShrimp No, it's more of, "I wish there was an asterisk here" rather than disagreement.

@@saberleo4567 Sure, the ethics of data collection for training these things is a big mess right now. My own view on it does not align with either of the extremes.

To elaborate: I think it's entirely reasonable for artists to find it objectionable to their work being included in the training data. I'm not completely sure if such objections should be absolutely entertained - because in a sense, I see an analogy between me studying a painting in a gallery and the algorithm being trained on an image, except no analogies are ever exact - image generation algorithms are optimised for greater competence in reproduction than I can achieve using my own skillset, so I cannot mimic what I have seen as well as an AI can. In addition to all of this, if the western world decides it's not OK for copyrighted works to be included in AI training data, other parts of the world with a more laissez-faire attitude to intellectual property rights won't care much, and will take advantage (this is an appeal to consequences, but it's also a real concern with precedents - look at the Chinese knock-off market). In summary, my own thoughts on this matter are a big unresolved mess. I can see virtue and fallacy in both 'sides' of the argument being argued.

@@AtomicShrimp I understand that side, sorry that I glibly painted your stance as unreasonably centrist, so far I'm reasonably satisfied with the conclusion of the US Copyright Office that AI art is not in it of itself copyrightable. I think that that is the best way for AI art to spread as a tool for assisting humanity rather than as a tool to subjugate it.

The violation of linguistic norms is funny, If you look at puns as an example of acceptable violations of linguistic norms. “Nice buns,” to a baker, is (at least mildly) funny. “Nice bread” isn’t a violation. “Nice ass” isn’t benign.

That reply was AI generated and scarily close to making perfect sense...

Reminded me of something written by a person with serious dyslexia.

@@theendofthestart8179 Yeah I think that is why it is funny. "Dinger Dinge" is just close enough, like someone with no understanding of English tried their best to make it sound right.

@@peterfoster1466 do you mean severe? because im not going to lie to you, pretty much EVERY case of dyslexia is serious.