3rd year teaching assistant here (I’m 24 years old, my boss is 40) for a Psychology paper. I just had a student blatantly use ChatGPT (and our University has such poor plagiarism consequences that almost no one ever gets punished) and I was so mad at the idea of having to mark an assignment generated by AI that I just copied their assignment back into ChatGPT and asked it to heavily critique the students assignment.
When I was teaching, I had a student submit a task and get 99% plagiarism. No punishment, only asked politely to do again and resubmit. They did. They then got 100% plagiarism. Again, no punishment.
I’m an English and History Teacher in Australia. Teaching grades 7-12. Since the beginning of the year I’d estimate 30-40% of my assessment tasks (not exams) are majority AI generated. My school uses an online service to detect AI plagiarism, but the kids counter that by using AI rewording/summarising software to counter that. The entire English department was told to suck it up and mark them as if they’re legitimate. If I had to guess I’d say that in 5-10 years there will either be serious legislation changes to the national curriculum we have, or a total revamp of the entire education system here.
Dept of education will be forced to be innovative and reform the brain dead school curriculums. There are no negatives to this, other than forcing kids to think in higher order schemas which is a necessity anyway because otherwise all these people will be close to useless in future society.
Content idea big A: Call up people from chat in discord about their experiences with using GPT for their essays. Wether they got caught, got away with it or got falsy accused. Similar to when you talked to chat about their jobs. And yes, false accusations for using AI language models to write essays and whatnot is more common than you might think. As a certified old and bald boomer, i only know three people that are, as of now still in uni, and two of them got falsy accused of using AI for certain assignments and the other one got away with using one. Might be an interesting convo with chat 🤷
my college placement essay in 2009 was graded by AI or something. I received my score immediately, right after I informed someone I finished. I was so confused.
I'm working as a substitute teacher right now as I'm getting my teaching license for English and at least in the world of essay grading it is definitely a thing. Not sure how long it's been a tool for teachers but I've had other teachers tell me that a lot of grammatical and syntactic checks are just completely done by the system and that usually all they're doing while grading essays is checking format and content
@@ayyOrcano shot i find you here orca, from osumania and rg community. anyway yeah automatic grammar checking has been around forever, and especially now that almost all papers are turned in digitally it seems excessively unlikely for it to be checked by hand. tho i still had a couple old school teachers that had you turn in everything by hand in the last few years
4:46 Tether is not risk free. If there was a SVB style dip in value of the bonds or something or there was a rush on the bank and they couldn’t back out of their position they could risk becoming insolvent
I’m a chem engineering student and gpt has been a great tool to learn. The best part is that I can get explanation for stuff in multiple ways (although 1/3 it’s wrong It’s a lot better than google) and I no longer need to spend a lot of time to write abstracts/ summary’s. I can write an amazing abstract in like half a hour now.
Just coming from perspective as a student all the work we got felt computer generated, so I don’t blame kids for doing the same. It’s astounding though when you finally meet a teacher that cares and pushes the boundaries of the curriculum, some the best and most engaging classes, but are sadly far and few. And now I’m working straight out of high school in Aerospace, and I’m thinking about going to Community College or something since it’s free and I’d like to try to keep my mind active.
@@gregothy9190bro come to Indian schools, literally everything is to be handwritten, including computer programs. Our labs involve more time writing the code than actually executing it lol.
Here at Rutgers University they let us use chat GPT. The standards are high enough that something written by chat gpt won't get a good grade anyways. Chat GPT also really really struggles with citations for anything in higher education so if you have chat gpt write your paper and include citations, it gives you links that lead to 404 pages etc. Another way professors have sort of fired back is AI graded annotations. Before this semester professors really had no way to make sure students were actually reading the course material but now they use tools like Perusall which automatically grade annotations based on quality. It has made the day-to-day class load higher for everyone.
Maybe I just highrolled with my teachers, but god I love learning when I was a student. It's so interesting discovering new things, and I never understood the students who would waste their time during classes, like you're not doing anyone favors. But I do understand that its not always the student's fault, since a bad teacher can suck all the joys of learning out of anyone. I got lucky that most of the teachers I had were great teachers or at the very least ones that had passion for what they teach, so me and most of my classmates were at least engaged always.
yeah, i’m in school now and used to love learning, and i still do out of school. but teachers are just so uninspiring these days so i just mess around in class and stuff
In school, I didnt learn history. Noone taught me about how us humans work and how for example regular people became nazis during ww2. Which is an incredibly interesting topic. History to our teacher was remembering dates of events and names of notable people. You are not discovering anything at that point. Just memorizing numbers and words.
I would literally learn languages and stuff in my math class, because math was so impractical and boring in high school that i thought it was a waste of time.
It's not really cheating if you do all the work and put it into gpt to make a cohesive essay. It cuts down on editing time. Before gpt people used to give a jumble of ideas and findings to an english major and pay them to put it together, then do a final edit themselves to emphasise key points. If you tried to do it yourself, the professors (in STEM fields) would give vague feedback like "you're ideas are heading in the right direction, but your paper needs to better put together ". I don't blame them since their expertise is not in english writing. They probably had someone else collate their work when they were students, and as professors they get their subordinates to do it. Personally, using gpt then doing small edits with grammarly has taught me a lot about how to structure essays. Eventually, once I get good enough at it I'll just cut out the middle man (gpt or some other ai) and do it myself in one go.
Im done with school so it isnt relevant to me anymore but I would hope with the rise of AI will hopefully lead to more creative writing in classes and allowing students to actually have a chance to write something they may be interested in. Because although i do enjoy writing there were plenty of essays that i did not care about at all that I wouldve just stuck in chatgpt
Someday you will be really to,realize how you wasted your education. Seriously, I have been a college teacher for 35 years, and this is what older people ( meaning past 30) tell me all the time.
I teach philosophy at a small liberal arts college, and was a TA at an Ivy within the last year. For whatever reason, so long as you don't use the standard prompts for assignments, AI generated responses (or responses that are significantly AI generated in some way) are usually bad and obvious. Like, they'll either contain things that very clearly go beyond what the student knows, will give a literal bullshit answer, or will closely copy a web source that's caught by the usual plagiarism filters. LLMs haven't been a big issue for a lot of the philosophy teachers I know for this reason. Now, if there're students who take a generated response and improve it, then that's probably not detectable, but also shows that they know enough to shore up the problems in the generated response, and hence is not too bad. My guess why this is all the case is that a lot of online philosophy sources are just wrong or low quality, so LLMs have effectively been trained on dogshit w/r/t philosophy (minus the standard prompts for classes).
I'm a professor, and AI is clearly something powerful students should learn to use, but it's also a huge bummer - the point of homework (if it's done well) isn't to produce stuff, it's to make you practice the material. You're going to forget everything I tell you if you don't practice what you've learned afterwards. I wouldn't even mind GPT being used for style improvements or actually turning ideas into text as long as you worked out the ideas and content yourself first so you actually understand what you're having it write. Outsourcing the answers to GPT, or a copy/paste from Google or from the one person who posts all the (usually incorrect) answers to the class Discord means you're truly wasting your tuition dollars. Yeah I could make all the assignments be in-class but I refuse to rework so much of class just to basically be a cop, making a worse experience for students who would actually do it themselves. At some point the arms race is lost - I do what I can but if you won't practice there's only so much I can do, good luck on exam day. And for the record I did try an experiment with having GPT grade essays. It wasn't very good but also I didn't spend much time refining the prompt.
Once you get taught how to actually pad your essays by using quotes from your sources that shit comes together so fast. 1.) Make claim 2.) Introduce quote 3.) Insert quote that justifies claim (long as possible for more words) 4.) Explain how quote justifies claim in your own words. Then just do it again and again until you hit your word count. Then write an intro/conclusion and call that shit a day. You can prepare it in sections for each quote and then just jigsaw that bitch together with some connective tissue joining it together and you have a research paper that argues for whatever bullshit you want it to.
I finished my last semester of college in April and had to take a few terrible required busy work classes that’d I’d been putting off for 4 years to graduate. And let me tell you, ChatGPT literally passed 2 different classes for me. Literally wrote 90% of essays, discussion posts, comments, responses, and homework assignments for both classes using ChatGPT.
I feel like alot of teachers here are coping about AI being easy to detect. The reality is students who are bad at hiding it are easy to detect. I go to a top University and know for a fact alot of classmates get away with AI writing scott free. Sure if someone puts in 0% effort and has the AI do everything its obvious. But if they put in 20% of the effort and actually go through what the AI writes Ive never seen someone get caught. Also most students probably are using gpt 3.5 cause it is free.
We just have it so you can only write the esseay during class time. There is a program that locks it at all other times and then you write it locks the computer.
I'm sure for writing stuff it's terrible, but I've been using it to learn code and it's a game changer. If I run into something idk it can handle a good 75% of what I ask.
It's interesting, at my university the whole faculty got onboard with ChatGPT. They baked it in to the curriculum for English and coding classes. They teach us how to use it ethically and how to cite/give credit to it. It's pretty neat! Especially for coding! The way they are ensuring students aren't just outright cheating is what they call "homework defense" where you have to describe what you made line by line, which wouldn't be really possible if you just asked ChatGPT to write it. I think something similar could be done for English as well. It does add a bunch of extra steps though which sucks.
I did the same thing with the internet before A.I. so am not surprised, of course I did alot of my own work so they couldn't just Google it but it was way easier.
I’m worried, my professor told me he will be expecting flawless lab reports in the future. Because of generative ai… Hopefully I have my master before that lol.
honestly when they write the essay during in class tests they're going to fail. something that should be told to them is that the essays will be in class tests and make the homework something else
I need some fact-checking on those Tether claims. I think (but definitely not certain) he was mixing up Tether with Circle (USDC), and maybe some other incorrect info?
I think in moderation, chatgpt can be positive. I take programming classes and if I get errors for my code I put it in chatgpt and ask it to find the problem. The project is my idea, but chatgpt helps with syntax problems that I wouldn’t likely find by myself
but now imagine you work at microsoft and the code you have to write is confidential. chatgpt has like no privacy and they can freely review everyones chats. you cant upload your code from work. although im sure a privacy preserving llm for that purpose is already in the works.
@@on_spikes6867OpenAI (ChatGPT creator) is partnered with Microsoft. Microsoft's Github Copilot (and all of its AI services IIRC) is based on OpenAI's LLM systems.
You do not need ChatGPT to find syntax errors. Most IDEs already do that and have autofills as well to reduce syntax errors. ChatGPT isn't even reliable to be used in coding, its a language based AI not a coding AI. It's even banned to use ChatGPT generated answers in stack overflow (It's obvious if you use it multiple times). You can't use a coding experience as an anecdote for ChatGPT.
@@on_spikes6867 there are current ai tools that don't need uploading that I'm sure Microsoft keeps a whitelist of. Whether you can convince your manager that you're worth the license cost is a different thing, because these tools only do so much.
I started trade school for carpentry a while ago it involved a 2500 word essay on team development for some reason I needed to be an English major to work with my hands so I used chatgpt for the entire thing. I’ll update the post when I get my results
AND on top of that the systems they use to sense if it has been written by AI is terrible. Students can write whatever and it will still say AI wrote it and vice versa. ITS A JOKE
@@lizmil Yes, I see now. I am aware that in this day and age, I "myself" do not have to correctly grammar check every line. Thank you so much for your compassionate assistance. - Dumbass
@@Dencyftw the research is done beforehand, and 4-5 pages are written in class. We did this literally all the time. Most of the time we didn't even know what the prompt was going to be
The fact that it's effectively impossible to fail out of a grade until you're in high school is messed up. We aren't teaching kids, we're just pushing them through to the next grade no matter what. I've known teachers who said they had 8th graders who literally couldn't even read. That's really sad and scary.
Honestly I hope that AI changes the school system by making them ditch homework. Like, everyone is cheating, so why bother? Assign readings instead and do the work in the class.
I say just let them kids use AI, technology is always going to simplify life and its up to the individual to use it more as tool to better themselves, than more of a shortcut. Real life is going to the shortcutters one hell of a lesson.
Literally the easiest solution EVER to the chat gpt problem is making them write it free hand rather than online 💀 like Ayo? Paper exists. Idk why we are acting like we’ve encountered something unbeatable? Bruh I ain’t one to help teachers but like. Give ‘em a lil in class 2 paragraphs for something and then bam. That’s your reference for how they write. It would be impossible for them to use ChatGPT without it being obvious 99% of the time. Bruh I’m smoking weed in a garage. There is no reason I should be the one with a rational solution rn.
It’s been interesting seeing how Big A has almost no interest in the humanities. Like I knew he mainly read non-fiction and he really dislikes more analytical videos a-la Jacob Geller. Him saying he can’t understand how English teachers would ever find joy in their job sealed it for me.
humanities just aren’t for some people, doesn’t seem as practical or interesting and far less useful. no hate though, these same people will shrug it off and then consume media with full engagement
Convenience is the death of learning. Just because a technology has a lot of "potential" doesn't mean it is going to be used in an appropriate manner. Don't get me wrong, the modern education system has many many flaws, but the use of AI is almost always an attempt at exploiting those flaws. Homework assignments, essays, etc. are meant to support students learning. Students do work outside of class to learn better, but with stuff like ChatGPT the goal becomes more about working around the courses rather than actually learning anything. Ideally, the issues that this whole thing has exposed would result in more effective change in our education systems, but history has shown that bureaucracy is more likely to figure out ways around the use of AI just to avoid any actual effective work being done. Call me a pessimist, but I don't see anything major being done to improve learning in the cards for a while. It'll be dependent on individual teachers, which is pretty much the exact situation we were in before. Because the system is weak, how much you learn is pretty much purely dependent on either the abilities of the teacher or your self-motivation.
Calling out the ADL is not antisemitic if that's the tweet its referring to. (I don't really use twitter so I'm going off what I've seen from friends screenshots)
Yes, Elon said that the ADL generates anti-Semitism by being an odious organization that claims to speak for and act on behalf of Jews (paraphrasing). He was condemned for that.
Honestly I'm glad chat GPT is a thing. So majors that has little to nothing to do with writing will write essays less and do actual project more. Well sucks for the majors that needs it but unlucky i g
Writing is only important if it is free hand. Giving someone a prompt, telling them what to write about, how to format it, and how long it has to be. That isn’t writing. It’s record-keeping. I would get 20’s on an essay like that and then get 100 + extra credit on creative writing projects. School is worthless.
Chat gpt is only useful for stuff like writing essays and creative things its not very useful in solving numerical in mathematics or sciences except bio.
I don’t see the downside to children not writing essays for one. But more than that, it certainly isn’t sad 💀 bro is acting like he wasn’t skimming through the book, on sparknotes, and/or asking friends what happened in the book. I hate that shit bro.. you didn’t even do the work to write your essays. Why should they be condemned for finding an even easier way around it?
@@secretsilver3662It could in the future, if it could allow for more personalized education. Right now the teacher has to manage 20 students so if you're slow on the uptake you get left behind, and if you're too fast it also sucks. If every student had a teacher it would be much better.
what do you need to learn you can already google everything and know, that's the same thing they were saying when calculators where first a thing that oh no people won't learn how to do complex math now since the calculator can just give you the answer and its going to dumb down our society blah blah blah and now you can't imagine doing complex math without a calculator or not google something to find a reference/answer for something get over it don't make the same mistakes they made in the past when it comes to new technology and just accept it and move on @@secretsilver3662
I honestly don’t know, do most people have a positive opinion of the ADL? To say that they’re synonymous with Jews is a wild thing to say given their racist positions and activities.
