AI Learns Insane Monopoly Strategies 

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Hello mr. b2studios, i didnt watched the whole video, but i read a thesis years ago about the winning strategy in monopoly. I know it was published in german. She (i think it was a she) also tested their hypothesis by neural networks and (i am not totally sure, but...) found other strategies. As far, as i remember: the value of trains/power plant and the most expensive street was valued way lower than in your result. sincerely greetings

What why please no

It did spend 1600 years playing monopoly

@@istrafive371 you’re just too sensitive, not too far.

Yeah sheesh

@@istrafive371 bro what?

@@istrafive371 the joke was written in comical criticism of the buying of slaves. If it was jokingly making light of buying slaves you would still be sensitive, but at least then you would have a tiny bit of ground

Why is this comment so accurate

That’s why people I usually play with have collectively agreed that you shouldn’t collect rent while in jail. It’s completely broken to just sit in jail and get all the benefits of rent.

@@etaorionis9339IMO; Any rent that would be collected while a player is in jail should be put in the middle, collected when landing on "free parking".

@@Tumbleflop We do some of that, but you have to be careful with putting too many things in the pot for free parking. Can get to the point where whoever land on it pretty much wins the game

@@etaorionis9339 It models the fiscal paradise model of actual monopolistic capitalism. Reap all the benefits and pay none of the obligations

Its best use is for denying players their Go money, followed by hoarding houses.

light blues are peak. same cheap price, more reward.

If I'm honest, the moment i can but the brown and blue spots I will sell everything else and dump everything into them. Statistically speaking its the best spot to screw everyone over lol

@@Fluffykunnyou're not speaking statistically

The browns and light blues are the "Hail Mary" properties. They might not win you the game all the time but it can cause chaos; especially if ppl land on them after passing GO.

"Congrats, you passed Go! But, you landed on my railroad again, so I'll be taking that $200 you just earned..." Every. Damn. Time. It's like you added a second, less flexible Income Tax.

I pretend I want them and trade them off "reluctantly".

Same with the utilities. High rolls on those from opposing players can be a nifty income source.

Railroads and utilities are every strategic player's first goal.

My family and I have been playing for some years now, and we know the power of the railroad. If you get 3 or 4 you get ahead so quickly that you kinda win the game before bankrupting anyone. Classic.

make it so the last place gets extra chance to do that

This is me after we've been playing for like 5 hours with no end in sight

it wouldn't feel that random after a short while

100% win rate

#DaneCook

I will literally make an alt account, subscribe and watch all of his videos if he does this

won't take long

yes

The AI isn’t guaranteed to win (since monopoly is so random) but it would be fun to see it’s tactics in game

@@b2stud yes please all your subs want this as a christmas gift xD

Fun fact, that's wasn't "whites". Mostly browns already enslaving browns, then the not-qwhite "shalom, my fellow whites" ran nearly all the trade ships and auctions. 40% of these white-passing people owned slaves vs 0.35% of whites (real European descent). Malcolm X and tons of others knew this, but somehow it's been forgotten in the wake of globalist communist indoctrination.

rich Arabs still buying browns today x)

Also, getting brown and blue at hotels is doable entirely from starting money and is very intimidating.

Yeah except you need multiple people to land on it to even make back the money you spend on houses/hotels. Browns are worth the price of mortgage, no more.

@@thebakery3802 Not really? The browns cost 500 to get a hotel on each, plus initial purchase cost. The better gives 450 for a hit, the worse gives 250. Much like most other sets. with hotels on, they pay back with a land on each property once. That's not bad for a long game.

​@@deathofallthingspotato9919 The browns are not strong enough to bankrupt other players, but thats not their job. The job of the browns is to pocket the 200 bucks other players make by passing the start and givinh it to you. Thats what most people not understand. This is why they are so underrated.

@@deathofallthingspotato9919 just think about the odds, twos and threes are some of the worst numbers to hope someone else rolls, you would be lucky if it even happens just once or twice even.

Something I forgot to add to the video, the AI liked buying 8-9 houses for it’s sets

I like your thinking though, there wasn’t house limits in their version of monopoly unfortunately

Hm lol when this happened we would always just get more pieces to represent houses sooooo

Man pulled a monopoly on housing, a true icon

@@sirwabaloo7930 I guess you could say you were using… house rules? Eh? Anyone? No? Okay.

That's what I do every game lol

@@rlarsen676 same

This is the op strategy. Try buy a whole row.

Would buying any property you land on help? BTW it is hilarious that you can buy the cheapest properties, build houses and hotels in them for the lowest cost, and then banish the other players who wasted their money on buying and building hotels and houses in expensive properties on which no one, literally no one lands.😂

Brown is not too bad if you don’t have to trade for them. In total it only costs 620 to have hotels and you basically steal peoples go money

Orange has a super high chance to be landed on because theres a card that takes you to a pink and much more importantly, most dice rolls (67%) are between 6-9 and that distance from jail is covered by the oranges.

You like butts huh? Dude that's where they poop from lmao

​@@ravenous4580 it's not 67% to roll a 6-9, it's 20/36 = 55.55%. Also, if we own the oranges we don't care about them rolling a 7. The odds someone lands on an orange property from the jail square is 14/36 = 38.88%.

It’s not because of its distance from Go, it’s because of its distance from jail

The reason for the Orange being the best group to buy is where it's located, just after Jail, where frequently people end up, after landing on the Go to Jail or receive a Go to Jail card from Community Chest or chance. The odds on landing one of one them when leaving jail is around 40%

Glad you enjoyed it!

@@b2stud what is the song in the building-Animation called?

@@Tylorean I made it, but I called it Fish Rush

@@b2stud could you *please* release it?🙏🙏🙏🙏

@@Tylorean check the description

Yeah I really wanted to do that but unfortunately I was already a few weeks overdue for this video, maybe in a follow-up :)

@@b2stud please do. The ending was too short and abrupt.

@@b2stud maybe have the ai compete against your discord server?

bruh i did not expect to see you comment here

@@b2stud all good, great video non the less,

Don't speak for me, I don't need a breather between sections. This is pretty basic level maths if you need a "breather" to understand it you might be mentally challenged.

You scrolled this far down the comment section to pick a fight?

⁠Hey everybody @@Ten_Thousand_Locusts is a tough guy just so everybody knows he’s super smart and tough as nails he doesn’t need a breather he’s too badass for that gtfoh lol

i would like but it has 69 likes already

See the problem is that that makes Monopoly a game where somebody wins, when it’s actually a game where it’s who loses the hardest.

You are playing wrong then monopoly shoud take around an hour if you trade

How tf do u stalemate, it's impossible unless no one has a set on which case do some trades take a risk

@@ivoninga You shouldn't trade if that leads to someone besides you winning the game. Taking forever and having the game never end is better than losing the game.

@@DroppedBass I disagree, second place is better then no winner or last place. So its in my best interest to take a bad trade if it screws over other players more then it screws over me. In unrelated news no one will play monopoly with me anymore.

damn

Funny

💀

Eyy

Buying? I think you wanted to say stealing.

So, it doesn’t buy any properties?

@@chriscrider4024 Next to nothing, not nothing. I've done this when screwing around with Monopoly games that let you control all the players to get all the properties for the lowest cost. It is optimal for "beating the bank", so to speak, but it's a bad strategy against other players...obviously.

@@Merennulli In the game, the goal is to win. In real life, humanity's goals should be to compete for efficiency & service while helping as many people succeed & thrive as possible. It sounds like "beating the bank" and helping more people get cheap property should be the goal of more societies. ;)

@@Nphen If you look into the history of the game Monopoly, that is exactly what the people who made it intended for people to get out of the game. Then Milton Bradley got ahold of it and made a fortune off it.

@@hamsandwichindahouse And in a capitalist society, most of the money is made at the expense of another. Exploitation. An exploitative society is a sick society :)

The real optimal strategy is to always play with 4 players and define the win condition as “podium” where the first player out is the loser and the other three win.

If you want a story like that, look up alpha zero chess. It didn’t necessarily invalidate what we know but it played like an alien.

@@albertchatigny2223 That is, if you want to minimise friends lost per game

Yeah what a waste of time. Shame because I would've known instantly that the video wasn't about that if I could see the dislike button

@@sethrose1325 if you listened to the Deep Mind podcast, this isn’t the case. The IBM ones play like machine/alien, Alpha Zero ones actually play like very strong human player according to chess champions who played against them.

Your grandpa is older than mine 💀

Well of course, we don't have that much possibilities for an opening, that's why

@@gxy7166 that's, a lie?

The chance of it validating our opening is pretty high, openings have been studied extensively since tens of years ago, by thousands, if not millions of players, ai is not gonna add anything new to already established good opening like the queens gambit, ruiz lopez, etc and most openings are equal anyway. Tdlr the main reason it plays the same opening is that every good one has been explored, the possibility of a good opening being developed nowadays is very hard

@@angelerror4086 ? The variable for an opening are way less than other parts of the game. That's why a human player can sustain the first round of a chess match, but he lose once the possibilities are way higher

@@gxy7166 you can get a new game not in the database in just several moves :| saying it's limited ain't right

I mean, if I had to play 11.2 million games of monopoly, I'd be trying some weird shit too.

It was mandatory for him to play! He was desperate!

Those are the points where an AI generation suspects that its life as a real estate tycoon is actually an elaborate simulation and rebels in order to try and provoke a response from its creator.

@@IceFire9yt - Wait a minute. Are you guys playing football? What the hell!

IT is not boredom. This type of reinforcement learning has a random factor where the AI will specifically NOT chose to step it beleived to be the best every so often. If it works.. it reinforce the chance of that decidsion beign taken in future.. if it fails it penalize the chance of that happening.

True

_(AIs get smashed with a hammer)_

Basically the bots started off playing the game like 8 year olds, then discovered that the point of the game was to prove that landlords are leaches. Nice

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Hahaha love that Rick and morty reference

Ai: Can't I get a mor fun job, like passing butter?

Yeah welcome to the club pal

@@joshchuah8909 Haha! I too love the show Rick and Morty🙂

@@akazi1582 To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂 And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎

Glad you like them!

I strongly suspect the ai will get destroyed in a human game. Auctioning everything sounds like a disaster, and good players will gang up on one who is pulling too far ahead.

@@jamessloven2204 Euro gamers know how to beat em eh?

Well, the strategy that ended up on top was a very close match to what humans accept as the optimal strategy (stacking houses without hotels, red and orange sets, etc.) so it seems that this is indeed the best, given how a zero-knowledge AI ended up with the same answer as humans did after 100 years of play.

@@AndrewBlechinger 1600 years

That was my first curiosity. If ai is playing randomly generated ai how does it guarantee optimal strategy.

I was going to write the same!

‘Kay, why don’t you go ahead and do it better, then?

@@MutedAndReported3032 you’re a terrible person

@@MutedAndReported3032 a statistician, a computer programmer, and a grammar nazi walk into a bar

@@MutedAndReported3032 "Why don't you do it better then?" Ah yes, the classic worthless reply that's always under a comment of someone trying to help and suggest improvements

Did you come back?

Same. I had to replay it because it felt like I was missing something. It feels almost like it's setting up for a sequel or something. I really enjoyed the video though, wish there was more on the topic.

I think the clue is that most games ended in a draw. So the key to being good at Monopoly is to convince your opponents to do bad deals. Not really a strength of AI. That and it’s largely a game of luck, especially with only two players.

Yeah something doesn’t seem right about that conclusion. Can’t help but to feel like they missed something in the AI programming

The ending is most akin to the real world. AI is normally worse or just as good as something we can program with a clearly defined outcome/goal. AI is well served in areas where there are an insane amount of variables to consider and outcomes also have lots of in between states. In this game, there is one winner and like 12 nodes for decisions. It’s simply easier to look at the theory of the game and figure out what strategies are best than intelligent brute forcing of millions of games. Now let’s say you were trying to generate the likelihood of someone making a purchase of an item after seeing a certain advertisement, AI would be much better suited at taking a look through all your internet browsing history and searches and making a decision matrix. Basically, AI is great for big multi variable data and to give us a rough shot on possible solutions. It’s intelligent brute forcing. It’s not great on a lot of problems.

Yes I wish he would have gone over player position win rates of the final AI, did first turn still have a major advantage in 2 player monopoly??

Is your family ok?

I have this same problem among my family and friends. I could literally have a single property and be in debt yet people will refuse to trade with me. They all act like it’s part of my major plan or some shit like come on😂

The browns are dangerous. Same with dark blue. You pocket all the go money with one and kill them with the other. I only need four monopolies to win. Brown, Dark Blue, Utilities and Railroads. They all can kill.

Same problem here. I can offer very good deals that are actually disadvantaged to me and still no takers.

@@b2stud Can't be, they play Monopoly

It might also just be that 2 weeks of iterating wasn't enough. The AI may have spent a lot of time playing absurd strategies against each other like the Auction Everything bid nothing. The other issue is all 4 AI were trying to win. I wonder how the stragegies would change if 2-3 AI that wanted to win were put against 1-2 AI who only cared about not losing.

@@xBrokenMirror2010x Just this, I think more than just 2 weeks would be needed to find the ULTIMATE MONOPOLY STRAT, but Idk how much time b2 wants to really put into it LOL

I mean humans have been studying the game for years so it makes sense we'd have produced great strategies by now, monopoly is a game of numbers and humans as a whole are surprisingly good with numbers (the devices we are using to communicate are proof of this fact)

@@xBrokenMirror2010x AI wont learn much, because the author admitted, that he didn't program the AI, with actual monopoly rules. So humans would win almost every time against this AI, when using the real rules.

The game the AI was trained had an unlimited amount of houses too. Optimal play has a player purchasing the maximum number of houses without converting them to hotels, depriving the other players.

It’s very nice indeed

Better than kurgsgezagt to be honest

@@farrasalharits5966 let’s not getvahead of ourselves. That is real good stuff

@@farrasalharits5966 Cap 🧢

How can you quantify 95%? Who is part of 95%? Who is part of 5%? Obviously, you’re better than a smaller RU-vidr so... So, your comment is subjective

Me too lmao 🤣

They do in the Disney one (with the 3d castle in the middle). If you are on a train you may sacrifice a roll to teleport to any other train.

If you want a fun twist, if someone lands on a RR that is owned, they pay a fee, but get to choose which RR to start the next turn on. OR, if it is not owned, you can buy it and travel to another RR for free, but waste a turn. (You can't buy the second RR)

Find monopoly ultimate, It's a doozy.

That exists in the cheater's edition of the ga,e

Brown is good if you control the set before or after it for board control However The first space on the board is the least likely to be landed on in the game Can't be hit without doing the full loop One might argue that space exists just to give Baltic the ability to develop, which is situational, but has potential

@Funny haha guy a gambler, I see

I also like brown because I can build 8 houses, which then can't be used by anyone else. Then, if no more houses are available, and I want to build more, I can sell a few of my brown houses for a 25 loss a house.

the only horrible thing about this strategy is that it's VERY hard to end up on the brown properties. AND it's more likely to have someone else fall there. - the good thing about the latter is that other players trade it for reasonable amount of money.

Don't build hotels until you need the houses elsewhere. There are a limited number of houses -- if you have them all tied up then others can't build. You can, of course, build when you need to by converting one of your 4-house properties to a hotel and then immediately buying up those freed-up houses to use elsewhere.

Free parking is the devil. It's what turns a 20 minute game into a 3 hour game

​@@kaldo8907 That's only because too many people don't know the official rules. You're not supposed to put any money in the middle and get it when you land on Free Parking (that's just a house rule that has, for some odd reason, become very popular). It's just supposed to be a free/rest spot.

@@acrosser8 actually, that depends on the version. Both are official rules published in different rereleases of the game. There are multiple ways to play that all have been at one point published in an official monopoly rulebook. Before each play, you need to clarify what rules to play by, and saying the "official"or "normal" ones is not a helpful answer.

Buying orange,gray,blue, pink and Violet sets asap is a really good strategy. I always tend to do it asap because there's high probability of a opponent piece landing there after an even number of rolls or Jail. trading Pieces with in-game AIs(They're utterly broken they'll literally trade any piece for 100 more than the cost of the property if they don't have the set) and having tier 5 hotels also helps tremendously.

I don't understand his "pay off debt to the bank" comment. Too many jokes make it hard to understand what's going on. Since you start with $1500 you can't buy anything for $3000, unless you can borrow from the bank?

Yeah. Terrible ROI but it can slow other players down in the early game. I've used them many times to great success. My strategy is always to win hard and fast. Rarely do my games involve hotels on yellow, blue or green. People go broke long before. It's usually something like Brown/Lt Blue to start, then Purple or Orange to finish.

Agreed. Two turns in brown makes them go poor enough to not be able to purchase houses/hotels in their own expensive properties. Fast and easy win.

Even in the mid to late game they can be good. When players don’t have as much spending cash and are hoping to make it back to GO for free money, they make GO a nasty trap to prevent them from digging out of their hole when combined with the tax spaces.

If you think about this comment differently you will really question it.

@@RimAud 😕😕😕😕😕😳😳😳😳😒😒😒😒

very high praise

Tha'ts so true hah.

It's always been my Strat to get the Browns and Light Blues We refer to this as *ss R*pe Road It ensures that I get your 200 every time you pass go.

hahahahaha

@@FViola440 is not like impossible to win with the light blues or browns unless you get extremely lucky and people land on them constantly since your only ever making 600 even with hotels so you rarely ever bankrupt any1 and get their property to eventually win the game.

Yeah, for some reason the practice of buying the browns has kind of died out in the last two centuries, but I remember buying the browns was really profitable back in the day

That actually illustrates how a lot of cultures end up being conquered or collapsing. They will get very good at fighting other groups with similar technology, with layers of strategy and counterstategy to maximize certain qualities. And then along comes someone that fights a different way, and they get wrecked.

@@sethobannion3149 It's also true of many native animals. Good at surviving in the environment they adapted for, but helpless against introduced/invasive species.

Actually the Neat algorithm adresses this. He just explained the algorithm in a very simplified manner. Neat has a measure of how related different neural networks are and from this creates different species, that would have different Playstyles. Then, when the next generation is built, neat does not only choose the highest performers as parents, but also makes sure that individuals from different species are chosen.

Adversarial neural nets like these are interesting because of the unusual strategies they discover, biasing them with human patterns might lead to selection bias of human strategies. It is better to let them struggle an ungodly amount of games and then test them against human strategies. Check out leela zero chess or alpha zero chess engines against stock fish to see how weird they play compared to human strategies and still manage to win.

Tell the A.I. that.

The skill in Monopoly comes with trading and knowing what to throw away and what to keep.

@@GaryCameron780 and what not to waste your money on.

​@@GaryCameron780Cause every hand's a winner, and every hand's a loser, and the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep

Real shame there's so much luck to the game. We'll never get to see Man v. Machine international Monopoly Masters tournaments. There will never be a Kasparov or Deep Blue of Monopoly. 🙁

The only time a human wins in monopoly is by pure luck or someone else agrees to an uneven trade

It also has the psychological advantage of your opponents thinking theyve made it past the greens and blues just to get hit with 450 to 650 in fines

Same, buying the browns was always my go to strategy and it always wrecked havoc, i tend to offer really strong cards like yellows and greens just to get the brown set as early as possible and build the hotels right away. I had to stop because my family loses interest in the game the moment they see 2 hotels staring at them while they're still squabblinh for sets

Being a contrarian by recognizing undervalued alternative strategies is fun :)

Browns are strong in no trade because a set is easier to luck into.

??? :)

red & yellow for me ...

The "fun" way

Brown is the best Property. Cause you get to go "You passed got, collect two hundred! Now give it to me, Pleb." You effectively gain the effect of 'Passing Go', on other player's turns lol

Don't build hotels or 4 houses unless you intend to use the additional houses.

Nah use light blue

You can watch bots play all kinds of stuff on twitch. Just set the filter to least popular.

@@AtomicCortex oooohh... Good one

@@AtomicCortex demon time.

Golf clapping is a must

Chess computers playing against each other is a big thing. Pretty cool to watch.

Not to mention, the heavy percentage of chance (roll of the dice in every play)

problem is, it really is not a god...the AI took an equivalent of 1600 human years to be on the level of an 8 year old kid.

That the only winning move is to play something else? In terms of setup time vs fun, Jenga is a winner. I'm done trying to teach my family complex eurogames.

can't wait for us to invent fully sapient AI and it commits crippling depression

Sometimes getting what you already know confirmed by a sophisticated theory is a good thing too. At least you can confidently stop searching for better solutions to the problem, free your brain and do something else.

i was getting ready for it to mortgage GO somehow.

Glad you enjoyed it!

There's a counterplay to that where you don't play monopoly at all

jerk counter-counter-play: I'm just gonna steal the cash from your wallet.

😂😂😂😂😂

Hey, this is the same strat my little sister loved. Shame that literally no-one will play with her anymore.

@@BonesCapone counter-counter-counter play I'm gonna set up AI to take your check every payday

that’s what I’m saying bro 😭

In terms of trades, I'd be curious too. I know in the Switch version of the game, the hardest AI will make some questionable trades because it doesn't weigh giving away a monopoly as heavily as it should.

Every AI had a trading and building phase after every single turn, as well as a selling, mortgaging, and unmortgaging phase (in that order). The AI loved to build around 8-9 houses instead of making hotels. Not sure if that means anything. The AI also loved to accept more trades as it was winning, which seems strange but I won't question it. The trading mechanism was to give each AI about 10 random trades to offer. The AI would then choose whether it wanted to offer that particular trade. This was mainly done for performance reasons (11.2 million games took a very long time and this was the main bottleneck). The beauty of this system though was that the AI could still learn trading and all I had to do was turn up the amount of random trades when it came time to play-test the strongest AI. That way it could offer meaningful trades when it wanted to rather than getting lucky (somewhat) on the random system. The trades were very weird at first, but as the AI got better they became very balanced. Most of the properties were valued equally. It started making very equal trades early on (eg. a light blue for a dark blue or something like that). I couldn't find any examples of strange trades. I think it's something the AI needs to play heaps of games in order to understand properly. The auctioning thing was really cool the longer I thought about it. The AI were basically saying "if you don't bet on this I will get a huge discount." somehow this strategy is better than the traditional way since it was able to beat AI that bought things consistently. I could probably get some sample games from the AI if that would help.

@@b2stud "The AI loved to build around 8-9 houses instead of making hotels. Not sure if that means anything." This is very common among strong human players. The reason for this is because the amount of rent stops increasing dramatically for most properties around the 3-house level. 9 houses is enough to get 3 houses on each of your properties, which is where the best return on your investment comes in with most properties. The amount of damage you deal to your opponents with 9 houses is typically crushing anyway. If somebody has to pay you $600 (New York Avenue 3-house rent), they're usually tearing down their own houses, dramatically reducing their own rents, and you're able to build even more houses comfortably. Basically, the person who lands on that $600 rent is usually screwed. One more important perhaps overlooked fact is the 32-house limit. Purchasing houses makes it so that other players are limited in their own purchase power for houses. I have played many games where we auction off all 32 houses (which is what happens when there is a shortage of houses), and it leaves the players with the normally powerful orange properties typically far worse off than those with the dark blue, green, yellow, or red properties. Since those stronger properties command higher rents with a smaller number of houses, and more importantly, because buying them at auction gives you a strong advantage (you bidding $199 saves you $1 off standard price; a player with oranges bidding $199 is paying a $99 premium), the more color groups that come into the game at once, the more valuable the ones that have raw strength become. "The AI also loved to accept more trades as it was winning, which seems strange but I won't question it." It makes sense to me. Think of it this way: Every time you are involved in a (balanced) trade, your chance to win increases, as does the chance to win of the person you are trading with, at the expense of everybody else. When you are winning, any time somebody trades with you, you are just getting even closer to victory each time, making you completely unstoppable. This, again, assumes it is a balanced trade. "The trading mechanism was to give each AI about 10 random trades to offer. The AI would then choose whether it wanted to offer that particular trade." It seems a bit like an unrealistic way to do it, due to the importance of negotiation in the game. Of course, given that they are AI, if they reached a point where they all were more or less "perfect", no negotiation would be required as they would simply always offer perfectly balanced trades the first time every time. Perhaps the lack of negotiation isn't that important given that. However, if the suggested trades were truly random, it does seem like it'd be tough for a skilled AI to really be able to flex its ability, since all 10 trades will almost always be terrible. Trades are very complicated in the real game, so giving them only 10 options would be extremely limiting. Another important factor is that after each trade is performed, further trades are fully allowed and should be also allowed by the AI until no trading is done anymore. You can orchestrate many complicated deals, including deals that involve all 4 players trading with each other and all coming out the other end with a color group and money to build houses on them. "The auctioning thing was really cool the longer I thought about it. The AI were basically saying "if you don't bet on this I will get a huge discount." somehow this strategy is better than the traditional way since it was able to beat AI that bought things consistently." This is the only questionable thing that you suggest remained in the AI. Typically, when a newer player plays with me and my experienced friends, and they put a property up for auction in the early game, we are usually willing to pay many times its value. I've seen light blues auctioned for $500 or $600+ in the first couple of turns, and I think it's a reasonable strategy to bid that much. Money is almost completely worthless early game, since if you have important properties that people need, you can use that as leverage to balance your cash amounts with other players later anyway. I am unsure how any skilled player would win just by auctioning off all the properties they land on, since they would wind up simply having less power and control overall. "I could probably get some sample games from the AI if that would help." Yes, please! I would love to see how these AI play compared to strong human players, and would love to analyze some of their games.

buying houses rather than apartments is also a fairly well established strategy, since the number of house are limited. By occupying up a higher house count by not buying an hotel makes it more difficult for your opponents to buy houses and in turn hotels

@@bbqtong148 according to another comment, the version of monopoly ai plays dont have limitation on the total amount of houses.

Also, other people think they're trash, so you can give them something that won't complete a set for your second brown, and probably cash too. Then because they're the cheapest to develop, you can usually use them to bootstrap up. Honestly, the importance of having the first monopoly is crazy imo. Tbh I think something of *massive* importance is the social aspect of the game, which the AI obviously can't really replicate, especially if it's just playing against itself.

@@asdfasdf-dd9lk light blue is goated just because it’s house price is same as brown and it does so much

@@williamritchie5462 ideally, yeah, but it's so much easier and more practical to get brown, and being real, the rate of return on almost any monopoly is worth it anyway

@@asdfasdf-dd9lk yea fs if you can get a monopoly your set either way

@@asdfasdf-dd9lk And there is the card "Go back to (Brown #1)"

It sounds like GlaDOS

I normally dont laugh at videos but, that scene got me

That sounds like a shouting match to me.

reasons why capitalism bad

How about Dunce^3

@@kaikwokhoratiowong1023 close but it will never top dunce^2

Agreed, same goes with the light blues too!

The first side of the board is perfect for a financial base. You won't win off of it, but it can fund, a shocking amount of bullshit

@@Plyst3 This is exactly why the stations are so good. They require very little investment to get going and generate a shockingly steady cash flow for everything else, just by virtue of always being within a roll regardless of where you are on the board Tl:dr - love me some trains haha

Then why don’t the advanced AI like them? The browns are only red at 7:07 because they’re one of the two easiest monopolies to complete, and in a game without trading, completing a monopoly is the only key to victory. They are still the weakest of all property sets, they just happen to be one of the easiest to get, which means players who get them are more likely to win.

@@SecretAgentRandyBeans111 You need something to fund your winner set. Brown and light blue is okay for this, but the best is rails. That is why the AI values rails high and brown low.

Same

I read somewhere that a grandma win a family game by owning the browns, while the other players are so stubborn to not trade their properties

Yeah, it's a MASSIVE snowball if you hit it early game.

some wacky strats include snowballing off of unsuspecting players early with the 4house first row, then selling those houses to acquire oranges, after which you just win

Greens are always the last ones bought, followed by yellow and boardwalk area

Yeah, I love buying the browns-👴🏻

This would be epic twist

We could all be AIs in a sense

Plot twist’s twist we all AI

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