The scarecrow has a simple painted face on the sack for his head in the books that has to be periodically re-painted so he could see. Return to Oz from 1985 is by far the best adaptation of the Oz characters.
@@dtb5350 To this day JC is the only humanoid movie monster I think about sometimes. Demonic and alien enough despite appearing human... perhaps as ancient as time but still got consciously updated with humanity each feeding time (the fashion sense!). That said his design is cool af imo. And so does this AI version of Tin Man.
Normally the description of "tin" really meant tin-plated. Like cans were tin-plated but we still call them "tins." Ditto for a "tin" roof. But also, plating was done because tin doesn't rust, only iron (underneath) rusts.
But wrong. Baum describes him as "a little black dog, with long silky hair and small black eyes that twinkled merrily on either side of his funny, wee nose."
The Patchwork Girl of Oz was one of the best books in the series. It is rather amusing that as the series progressed, more and more characters ended up living in the Emerald City so sometimes when the characters need to go somewhere , a whole gaggle of 20 plus characters would end up going like a class field trip.
One slight correction. The Tin woodman is NOT nickel plated during the events of the Wizard of Oz. That happened later during the sequel, The Marvelous Land of Oz, AFTER he becomes Emperor of the Winkies.
@@Darth_Chicken I suppose that depends on just how much of him was plated. The Woodman's main point of concern with regards to rust is his joints. On one hand, that would make his joints the key part to plate (not all that hard, since he can be disassembled and re-assembled with no pain.) On the other hand, to work correctly his joints have to fit together perfectly, and plating could alter the fit by changing the thickness. It'd be doable, but it might require someone with a lot of skill (maybe Nick asked Klu-Klip to leave Munchkinland and visit him on a short vacation to do the job.) It sort of similar to what happened to Captain Fyter in my stuff. When he had himself plated, to stop looking identical to Nick (actually since Nick was already nickel plated and shiny, he was becoming known as his "dull" cousin!) He had his BODY done in brass (since he's an officer) but the joints are gold plated, so they won't corrode (as he was/is on active duty, he realized there would be more situations where he could be caught in rain without someone to oil him, so he wanted to make sure his joints would NEVER rust up again).
Yeah, but the idea was to see how an AI generator would render the descriptions. Plus, Denslow’s illustrations weren’t always the defect-o depictions of the characters, considering all the other artists and illustrators who took on the task after him.
@@milascave2 In irony the term most use of being at the top of their ivory tower comes from this tome lol but yeah, they still do not know the hidden meanings of this text.
I like the munchkins...waiting patiently for the next LOTR movie.The Tin Man could have his own horror movie franchise.All in all,I don't think '36 would have been ready for this.Great work.
@@BobCrabtree-ev4rz 1939, correct. But this AI really didn't get anyone right except for Dorothy and Glinda; the Lion doesn't really count, because a lion's a lion. 🙂 And they left out the Good Witch of the North.
Correct! Fred Stone, the first actor who ever played the Scarecrow, did his own make-up, and made sure that of the circles he put around his eyes, one of them was always bigger than the other.
Well, the Cowardly Lion IS a real lion in the books, he was never anthropomorphized. He can talk, but so can ALL animals in Oz (yes, that does include Toto). Ditto the Scarecrow, he IS a scarecrow, just one who can walk, talk and so on (we don't find out why until book 15 in The Royal Book of Oz.)
Oh yeah, Dorothy later have to confront Toto why he didn’t say anything when they first visited Oz. Frank Baum did retconned Oz in the later books like how nobody dies in Oz and how all animals can speak.
@PungiFungi Interestingly, Toto doesn't speak much AFTER that conversation in The Road To Oz either. You'd think that once he realized he could, it'd be a useful thing for conveying information. Instead of barking and the old Lassie style, "What is it, boy?", he could just TELL them what he wanted to say.
@@Sojoboscribe It never came to that. Once the cat (so to speak) was out of the bag, Toto never made it a secret; indeed, in one of the books, he had to talk because he'd somehow lost his growl.
That makes sense. Back in the 1980's when Ai was still in development, they fed it the Phrase "Out of Sight, Out of Mind" and had it translate. It came back with "Blind Maniac." So yeah, one floating eye.
I was going to say the same thing but then I realized the rest of the video was worth it so I didn't. Instead I went down to Edgar's and bought a frozen pizza, Tombstone pizza, pepperoni and a liter of unsweetened iced tea and had some breakfast.
I've been told that the books are more scary and a bit twisted. I've never read them, but I do know most story books from back when were usually dark and twisted.
All the original books are in the public domain so you can read them, or even a few snatches of them without any problem on Google. The books were more scary - for instance, the witch sends a flock of crows to peck out their eyes, and the scarecrow grabs each in turn and twists its neck to kill it. But Baum, the author, was besieged with letters from children who loved them. You can also type in the name of the character with "of Oz" into Wikipedia to see the original illustrations.
The Wizard is literally just William Burroughs, which feels about right. Return to Oz drew directly from John R. Neill’s illustrations for the sequel books, so most characters are much closer to their descriptions in the books. The Scarecrow and TickTock match Neill’s design exactly, and yes the scarecrow is creepy looking with a painted-on face that doesn’t move.
Judy Garland was only 16 when she played that part. Margaret Hamilton was 37. Ray Bolger was 35. Jack Haley was 43. Bert Lahr was 44. Frank Morgan was 49. And though it may surprise you the oldest was Billie Burke, who played Glinda, at the age of 54.
The second book onward, yes. They really put a lot of effort into that movie, and there were so many characters from many of the books who appeared in the Emerald City Restoration scene. 🙂 Just a handful were the Patchwork Girl, Polychrome, Tommy Kwikstep, the Frogman, Notta Bit More, Cap'n Bill, and the Guardian of the Gates.
@@MaskedMan66 Love that movie. Literally the first book I ever read was Ozma of Oz with the original illustrations. I saw the re-release of the MGM movie in '55 and only started seeing again a few years later when CBS started broadcasting it once a year, but I went on to read a whole lot of the other sequels.
@@johnnehrich9601 I'm MaskedMan66 on my other account. The movie first aired on T.V. in 1954, hosted by Bert Lahr and a little girl named Liza. 🙂 I grew up in the 70's and 80's, and never missed it when it was on. RtO really gets a bad deal from people who only know the MGM movie.
@@peterheimsoth159 Interesting about when it was first on tv. I love Baum's crazy imagination. Whereas Lewis Carroll has talking animals and flowers, and cards and chess pieces, Baum had inanimate objects sort of come to life, all the while realizing they weren't really alive. Like Tik-tok who "does everything but live." A flying couch is brilliant. And while people ordinarily change their clothes, one character instead changes her head.
@@johnnehrich9601 Cards and chess pieces are also inanimate objects. ;-) Tik-Tok was the only character who wasn't "alive," even though he was a very lively fellow. 🙂
Your Tin Woodman is completely off - looks like a bad cyborg. The Wicked Witch of the West in the book is said to be very old, that all her blood had dried up years ago, and she kept herself alive using her magic. So her appearance should probably be more like a mummy, with grayish skin.
@@MaskedMan66 If all the blood was drained from your body do you really think cussedness - or to put it more simply - being annoying and nasty would allow you to continue to be alive? If that were the case there would be a lot of corpse walking our streets today. However, if you were a witch - with an extensive knowledge of magic you would probably use that to ensue your continued existence. Oh, and if you mean cussed as a curse that kept her from death - that would still be magic.
@@donaldabbott8663 Dude, we're talking about a *fantasy tale* set in a land where a man can get chopped up and continue to live as a tin shell. Magic didn't keep Nick Chopper alive, so there's no reason to think it kept the Wicked Witches alive.
@@MaskedMan66 That's where you are wrong. In the book "The Tin Woodman of Oz" Baum wrote that the Land of Oz had once been an ordinary land cut off from the rest of the world by a deadly desert. But the Fairy Queen Lurline enchanted the Land of Oz making it a magic-land. A place where magic can allow for a living scarecrow and a living man made out of tin. It was the Fairy Queen's enchantment that created the magic that bring them to life or allows them to live even after loosing all their blood. A witch would know how to use this magic even better then ordinary inhabitants of Oz. As an author and illustrator of six Oz books, one Oz graphic novel, and an online Oz cartoon I usually know what I'm talking about.
The tin man isn't supposed to have any meat on his bones. He had a series of wood chopping accidents that left his entire body replaced with tin, and he later runs into his flesh body pieced together by magic
Got to love the standard AI slop - Dorothy's cold, dead eyes. The cowardly lion being a literal lion. The tin man's axes bending like it's made from rubber. AI art truly is art.
This is a great example why AI will never replace us. It is our flawed (tortured) human nature that our art is born from. Just as Jesus' profound suffering leads to the ultimate beauty of Salvation for those who choose to accept him as their Lord and Saviour. Also, the classic 'Wizard of OZ' (1939) is still very cool. Plus, I also love 'Return to OZ'!!! (1985) Peace to All🙂
I love the Munchkins so much! Dorothy looked perfect. most of them were fine except the Tin Woodman. No idea what to say about those liberties. If you put a long beard on their Henry he'd look pretty close to the book. Don't know why it was missing the beard. I feel like they dressed the wizard wrong, and that long face wasn't something you usually saw with his peppy personality.
As for the Wicked Witch of the West in the book having one eye, I'm not sure of whether she was one-eyed in the pirate style (i.e., her empty eye socket being covered by an eyepatch) or if she had a cyclopean eye (i.e., a single large eye in the center of her forehead).
In his book, 'A Barnstormer in Oz', Philip Jose Farmer supposed that Baum had bowdlerized actual events as reported by Dorothy. And the reason that the Tin Woodman could no longer love his Munchkin maid was not that he was missing a _heart_, but a different member.