I tend to agree with you there. However, if aikido was used as a martial art, it'll definitely can break your arms. That is why the lessons are so highly choreographed to make sure the "uke" will not get hurt.
@@jacrobi5601 I never use wrist locks in BJJ because I am considered a white belt even though I have practiced traditional jujitsu for years and many other styles I see immense flaws in BJJ . If BJJ did what it promises it wouldn't be so easy to go around wrist locking everyone if you don't know the rules . I picked that up and other great moves from aikido as well .
Defintely wouldn't call it a waste. Personally I wouldn't call it great on its own but it has its strengths that mix well with judo and other grappling arts.
Same! Life is too short. No one that has invested any amount of time and resources into anything wants to hear that it is ineffective. But without that kind of honesty you could be letting yourself in for a huge failure. That 4 years could've been spent learning something more practical.
aikido like many arts crap alone. I mix boxing, tae kwon do, taichi, aikido, judo, and xing yi chaun. Each one has something the other does not and teaches you something different.
Aikido has some valuable tools such as blending and defensive footwork. But when its pressure tested, it has to revert back to Aikijutsu / Jujitsu / Judo to be truly effective and not just a small part of the puzzle. Great video! 💮
I found another channel. I can't remember the name it's something like Hans' approach to aikido. Where he explains aikido is designed to be an armed grappling system. I thought the idea was interesting and maybe you would want to check it out. He had some pretty good points and it makes sense out of a lot of things like defending against someone grabbing your wrist and having people run at you like their arms are swords in their "randori".
Yeah, the channel you are after is Hein's approach to Aikido. And it is hilarious. He worked his way back to what Aikido is really for. It's for (bladed) weapon retention. So Rokas trying to attack Jesse empty handed is even more funny. And it makes sense of that old line about Aikido being too dangerous for MMA/UFC. A blade makes cage fighting a very different prospect. Also mirrors the lunacy with Karate being made more and more useless over time.
@@johnwilkinson5811 the thing is, we're generally not sword fighting in the streets. And when it comes to more common weaponry, if you cant defend againast an unarmed attacker properly or reliably with aikido, how do you expect do defend against a knife? Idk man
@@BernardoWLopes Uh, you are framing that all in an odd way. Watch Aikido practice with the hand grab. Imagine the hand being grabbed is not empty. It will change your thinking about what is going on. Also, remember that Aikido was created for a specific time and place with specific legal and moral constraints. You don't live in those. You are not limited by them. You have your own contraints. You can take what is useful to you from Aikido and make it your own for your time and place though, can't you?
People seem to have a misunderstanding of what aikido is meant for. It wasn't meant for combat (not talking about combat hapkido, I'm talking about traditional aikido). It is mean to deflect someone who is trying to mug you or grab something from you, i.e. your hands, etc. to give you enough time to run away. God bless 🙏
Karate legit. MMA fighters who came from Karate: Lyoto, Wonderboy, Horiguchi, GSP entered with his Karate outfit before he got his sponsorship, and Chuck Liddell who has Karate tattooed on his skull in Kanji. That four champions and two were dominant champions in the UFC. There probably more that I cant think of.
Not a champion but Uriah Hall is pretty solid top 15-10 middle weights easy, to think of another one who is not champion but is a solid fighter who can give anybody a run for his money
There are two signs shows that dojo is good: Lineage of instructor and competition success of the dojo. Some "masters" saying they don't do competition because it is not realistic fight are just bad at sparring.
"Years of academy training, wasted" 😂 Kidding aside, aikido isn’t designed for brutality. If I understand correctly, there is an internal cultivation aspect, no?
I used to practice Aikido and my sensei had the sense that it's not very effective in actual combat he did teach us techniques but mostly focused on the joint locks and wrist locks instead of the takedowns seeing as they're much more applicable he said but other than that he mostly taught Aikido not to fight but in a form of self discipline with meditation added so yeah, Aikido kinda useless in real combat tbh a punch in the gut is more reliable haha
Rokas, I felt like you do. I gave 15 years to Aikido. Thankfully I found Gracie Jiu jitsu in 2007 and never looked back. I was a huge seagal fan and always wanted the hakama. After I finally got it, it was strange because I hated wearing it and hated teaching. I felt I was teaching a complete lie to kids and their parents when they would travel far and drop them off at class. It got to the point first where I would refuse to teach and then that led to me giving it up. I was going to class just for the social side. Every time I was on the mat I would just look at the clock and wish the class was over. It all became so boring and repetitive. I have travelled to japan, I have trained with so many different instructors I just felt for me I had outgrown Aikido.
@azuilito Have you considered trying out a new martial art? Especially one which has sparring? I think things mostly get boring eventually when there is no sparring
@Rokas, just to elaborate on my post; I was always a huge fan of Seagal's style but 99% of Aikido dojos taught nothing like his style. This was another factor why I gave it up, even though, Seagal's style is arguably not very practical. Yes. i watched your video on it. His style just looked beautiful to watch. I also got to the point where i couldn't stand the ego in Aikido and dealing with senseis who thought they were above others in every way simply because they had a higher ranking (Hence no pressure testing to destroy their ego) I got fed of people saying "Oh you should see this Aikido, this sensei is so practical and effective", only to find the same old thing where the attacks were just useless and unrealistic. Again, just people missing the point again. I also think Aikido has a huge problem in the sense you see so many fat, overweight students and teachers, they eat so much they look like squirrels with nuts in their mouths and over hanging bellies, quite frankly no inspiration to other students at all, well no inspiration to me anyway. It was really "hard" to leave Aikido, cutting the ties was difficult in the beginning, missing and letting go of some friendships, but as time went by, it became easier and new paths opened up. I loved BJJ (Gracie Jiu Jitsu) but i didn't like the sport element and sport competition. It wasn't for me and the atmosphere where everyone calls each other "bro" trying to act like they are Brazilian was grating on me and wearing me down to the point where I fast forward to today and I only have private classes in Gracie Jitsu now. I love it. I found a top instructor (Victor Estima) and all I do is have private one on one classes with him. I love it and I feel I have picked up way more knowledge and become a lot stronger after sparring with him every class. He is able to give me one to one attention, i can take notes, no worrying about unhygienic people with scruffy smelling gi's etc. And we have the private classes at my house as I bought all the proper mats. I love it. Occasionally i will also invite someone I think is a good match to join us but the most important thing is its way more enjoyable and fun and although i have to pay more for that, the difference is I am in control. I can dictate who I want to practice with. I think someone did a video about Aikido in response to you which was amazing. I absolutely agreed with all of it, especially talking about, its history, it's identity problem and how really if I hadn't seen Seagal I would not have picked Aikido first. I would have started it last and not the other way round.
I do not regret my freshmen year decision. I wanted to get into martial arts and my mother thought the lofty esoteric philosophy of aikido was attractive some passive aggressive stuff. My shotput coach told me to do wrestling and said wrestlers can fight. I listened to my coach instead of my mom. Best choice ever.
Aikido is about controlling distance and the use of strikes to unbalance and take away focus before a technique is applied. It has been said aikido is 995 atemii
hey a potential video idea. I don’t know if you already made a video on this but Jason delucia developed a style of aikido that is supposed to work. He uses aikido in his fights with the footwork and certain techniques but rarely wrist grabs. He’s most famous for fighting in pancrase and he fought a Gracie and bas rutten (33-21 record)
Damn karate is so underrated. Black belt in Shotokan Karate, learned about a year of mma ranging from jui jitsu to judo. I’d love to see more rising blocks and outside-in/inside-out blocks I’ve been training with friends that also have backgrounds but don’t go to a martial arts gym and I find success in them.
I personally enjoy all martial arts and always give this advise to fellow combatants… ALL styles are effective, but you need to utilize its timing. Our teacher taught us some Aikido, and normally apply at the least expected moment while we spar. We make No telegraph that we are about to use a specific style, we just apply it when applicable. Most of the time when I spar with new challengers, I start with a boxing stance and allow the martial arts techniques to come out only when appropriate.
Aikido in a self defense context is fine, several martial arts use Aikido like Kombato, Krav Maga, Hapkido, Karate and others. I practice sparring every Friday with a jiu-jitsu colleague (kicks, punches, takedowns), I already managed to finish him once with an Aikido twist and I managed to apply an Aikido takedown on him (detail that I only know about these two moves) observation: I'm using a translator, I'm too lazy to make a text in English
There was a cop when I was a boy that taught us "street techniques". This guy was a multiple degree black belt. But he taught us an applicable way of traing.
as someone who does aikido,, the first level of learning a technique is by grabbing the wrist to get a better understand of the movement,, then you move to second and third level which is moving instead of just standing still.
@@user-nb8dm1gz2t I didn't say Aikido or that it was claiming anything for itself - that's a strawman. "Aiki" is often referred to as a universal principle. Connection, timing, flow. The Gracie's model it well in their early vale tudo matches. Using strikes to hold and close distance into a well-timed throw of any kind models "Aiki." You could even have "Aiki" in activities not related to martial arts. Aikido the martial art would add a subjective component: a "non-violent" intention towards the attacker or a "conflict resolution" mindset. You can argue whether you think it's effective at delivering on either of those things of course...
"Aiki" is a martial principle, in Japan is known as such, and maybe in other martial arts has a different name, but aikido didn't invent "aiki", and anyone claiming so is nothing but crazy. It's a very old term related to the timing during a swordfight. As a BJJ practitioner and competitor I use this principle all the time I can during the sparring sessions. It's a matter of perspective, I practice both aikido and BJJ daily and one completes the other, at least IMHO.
Dude I been watching your channel waaaay before you even contemplated mma. I really hope you can find some way to use Aikido in your game man. I think that’s the fun of martial arts. It doesn’t have to be exact. Can be modified etc. Tony Ferguson def throws people off with his arm traps. I specifically remember in the early to mid 2000s, people around me said kicks don’t work. TKD doesn’t work, certain throws don’t work. Since then mma had evolved insanely. So many people are throwing spin kick KOs, using razy throws and grappling, etc. I always felt that was the irony of the “mma” community back then. It sort of locked itself into a style. I was so frustrated training then. I love mma now more than ever! So many different styles and moves, and top of that people utilize them well! I know Aikido can evolve and even become viable if constantly pressure tested for years by masters like you!
This is happening because you have forgotten the first tactic of aikido -- evasion and not engaging. When he is close enough to touch you are suppose to move giving yourself that dynamic sphere of space. Second tactic is when touched, evade in a way that allows you to take advantage of the momentum in that touch. If your opponent is allready trying to grapple you or contusly strike you, you have already failed at the first tactic/principle and you need to rely on jujitsu (aikido's mother style), meaning, FORCE your technique.
Literally lmao. Hate people that perpetuate teaching bullshido and wasting peoples time and effort. You’re such an inspiration and a role model to me as a martial artist man. Been watching since your first spar with The mma practitioner when you first started questioning aikido. Your rejection of the bullshido you were taught inspired me to do The same over time. Much love from the 252
For the kareteka out there who are watching this and laughing. Go watch the early (and even a lot of the recent) fights in karate combat. All those karate champions and we look terrible. The best guy there came with a lot of boxing.
You mean to tell me people who have never fight in a full contact format struggle the first time? Shocker! Bro they might not fight professional fighters but they will destroy any martial artists who doesn't compete.
Guillaume Erard knows how to make Aikido work by applying the principles of the techniques, not the techniques themselves. He proved it by sparring against the KarateDojoWaku channel host, whose Karate is pretty good. It's on youtube. Might want to check it out if you haven't already seen it. The next time Guillame Erard comes back to Europe, you should do a video with him. The Karate guy came at him with punches and kicks in two sparring sessions, and Guillaume Erard made quick work of him. Quick, decisive, one-move finishers where he actually could've seriously injured the Karate guy if he wanted to. And isn't that what Mitsugi Saotome and Ueshiba said in the first place, that the principles of Aikido, when correctly figured out and applied, and not the techniques they were showing the public, would be what works? I'm not defending Aikido, I also quit Aikido just like you, and moved onto boxing and reality-based self defense, where clawing inside the inside of the mouth and ripping the cheek off, or ripping off the other guy's ear after spitting in his face, are all fair tactics.
Yeah. I saw that video too. He has the footwork and distance managing that Rokas doesn't have. I think Rokas mistake is trying to apply the kickboxing turtle guard and positioning, so Roka's hands cannot be free for counters and blocking at the same time, as Jesse pointed out. I think against a karateka, good distancing, parring and timing is the key.
i also saw that video, the aikidoka is a western who is much bigger guy than yusuke. with a size diference its much easier to overpower someone with grappling.
@@rubenrelvamoniz This is true. But when the Aikido principles (not the techniques) are correctly applied, you can beat a bigger guy, no problem. All you have to do is neck-crank him after you get him on the ground, and you can end it. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu was also designed to have any guy, any size, be able to beat a bigger person. Look at what Gracie did in the early days of the UFC. But yes, more than half the time, you're right.
The problem with a lot of people that practice aikido is that they never get to experience it in a real situation. Being aggressive with your aikido not waiting for the attack but to go on the offensive, I know it goes against what you get taught in classes, you never try catch the punch, you control the arm for quick positioning to get the right hold then apply. You will never be able to do on the streets what you get taught in class. Experience is everything with aikido. Those that say they fail at it have merely not been shown the right application during a real fight. Be the aggressor not the defender.
Aikido strikes me as sorta like chin na, as in its not an actual system, but a subset of skills that can be applied to a more complete combat system as a supplement
In my opinion if you want a more functional aikido, look at judo.....i mean the throws and grappling are stress tested there and depending on the style you also learn to fight on the ground. Ironically by learning BJJ you got much closer to the roots of judo, simply the old styles consist chokeholds and armlocks, while the modern styles start reincorporating them again. Also from my perspective if you want to grapple in sparring, you need a more aggressive approach against striker.....simply grappler have normally a shorter effective range than striker, so should act more like an infighter (even if it means that you get hit several times or baiting that he kick you, so you can grab the leg). I hope you will try some martial arts, that are more forward to kicking....just to add it to your skills and also to develope defense against it. But overall you are fine.
People crap on Aikido too much, i personally use it, and it's a phenomenal supoort style. it's great for distance and posture management, footwork, balance, and general Battle IQ, analysis and foresight,While not combataive, its great with the passive Body-Kinaesthetic and psychological approach to fighting, partnering it with a more power based martial art such as Boxing/Kick boxing/Muay Thai etc it can be great to exploit gaps and weaknesses in your opponents form. Aikido is very versatile and adaptable as a form, love it.
Now, aikido with live sparring and pressure testing is very effective and has served me well in the MMA cage. But the key words there were ‘pressure testing’ and ‘live sparring’. This vid is what happens when you don’t pressure test a skill. But now my question is why aikido gets stereotyped as ineffective before all the other martial arts.
The last throw Rokas showed IS done competitively on the highest level in Judo. It can be done in a live setting. It’s just how you train. For MMA you probably have to modify it but it can be done
Jesse is an awesome karate martial artist, but he didn't change styles once he got dumped on by a Muay Thai fighter. He still can't beat that guy. This is the fate of martial arts.. you either adapt the techniques into your own style, or continue the traditional route but don't expect much improvement
You clearly missed the point of that video, but don't worry, GQ magazine did too when they wrote an article on it. Besides, the most famous full contact, and probably the only true, real engagement between top fighters from the two arts tells a different story: Karate (Kyokushin) v. Muay Thai challenge in 1964. Karate 2 wins out of 3 matches, with all fights won by KO.
I don't think he must change styles because he got beat by another.... He can adapt what he has to make it better and still call that pragmatism or progress. He can adopt the style that beat him and call that pragmatism. But I feel like you're trying to make a point with a fallacy
I have to admit that I was an reality moron. I actually believed at one time that O- Sensei at 80 years old could defeat 5 guys using aikido and if a big strong football player attacked hin he could easily defeat him. O-Sensei was only 4 ft 11in.
To all hating on Aikido I will say what I said to a BJJ practitioner who said "practicing BJJ is just cooler than Aikido" You have to give recognition where it's due, no one does ukemi quite as much or as well as Aikido. They also have weapons training (Jo) which can somewhat be translated to modern/improvised weapons. Personally I look at Aikido as a hybrid style gone wrong. After reading The Art of Peace, I can understand somewhat what the founder was after. (Note. I don't do "Aikido", just Jo and Bokken once a week for shits and giggles.) It's the same as what has happened to Krav Maga (Krav mindset and founder being the exact opposite intention as Aikido). But I digress.
Aikido is like Avocado. Even its original creators were karate and Judo expects who just wanted a way to stop sword attacks. It was never meant to be on its own!
Karate and aikido are two that work brilliantly together. If you can become proficient in both you can take a fair bit. On a side note I've seen aikido practitioners that I couldn't hope to lay a hand on if I tried my hardest.
why is there so much hate in the martial arts community can we not all just respect each other’s practices? some martial art forms are meant purely for physical and mental fitness while others are for self defense, THEY ARENT ALL USED FOR THE SAME THING.
This is the result of what we all know for a long time. The first style people want to learn for self defense is Karate and if they can reinforce by learning judo. There is no martial art that can protect people from knifes or swords in empty hands.
Aikido is a lifestyle, a practice of self defense, and is not focused solely on sparring. So everyone shitting on aikido saying it's bad for real combat, it's meant for self defense. Also to master aikido in a way that you can incorporate it into a fighting style takes years and is not seen until maybe the nidan or sandan (2nd-3rd degree black belt) level
So glad I never got into aikido. That sounds bad, but it’s because I love combat fighting so aikido would not have helped there 😂 I’ve done taekwondo, karate, bjj, mma and boxing for the past 10 years or so
Big problem with aikido(aikijutsu) is that it was never a complete grappling martial art. It was considered complementary to jujutsu and a competent samurai was expected to know both.
You know, the concept of deflecting opponents' attacks sounds cool tbh The training however, doesn't involve a real measurable test, this is why it flopped
AIKIDO IS A MARTIAL ART CREATED TO DEFEND AGAINST PEOPLE IN THE STREET (SUPPORTALLY) WITHOUT FIREARMS. WHEN SOME PEOPLE WHO DO NOT DO MARTIAL TRY TO PUNCH YOU IF YOU DO AIKIDO YOU CAN BLOCK HIM AND LET HIM UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE MADE OF BUT OF COURSE, IF YOU FIGHT AGAINST SOMEONE WHO DOES KARATE OR TAEKWONDO VERY LIKELYPROBABLY BEATS YOU. AIKIDO IS USEFUL . DON'T UNDERESTIMATE MARTIAL ARTS🔥
Try combat after mastering shoulder width stance footwork and quicker body shifting of the techniques of aikido, with no twisted front leg and wrist locks. Things have to be done quicker and within half distance than in the aiki dojo.
Yes but If you allready Starter with something like that It's hard to admit. Boxing, thaiboxing, MMA does not have to argue why they are still learned, it'. obvious they the do damage and work.
How about instead of "should have done x" you post a video of a real fight (not a demonstration) where x is shown to be effective? Oh yeah, because it is bullshit.
At least now you can say your the best Aikido practitioner in the world. Your the only one whos actually fought someone that u didn't pay to dive in the back🤷🏿♂️💯
I bet it could add value to someone with an existing grappling base. A judoka or BJJ practitioner could likely find some different joint locking concepts that could be integrated.
I practiced for aikido for over one year. Honestly, I wished I practiced capoeira instead. It's a better dance Jokes aside, aikido IS useful in real life. I almost got raped once, but aikido helped me to get out. It's not really a martial arts, and more like a self-defence technique. That's why it is popular with women here. Women got targeted by crime more often than men, at least in my city EDIT: I stopped doing Aikido because I decided to join a Naginatajutsu school as an athlete, not because it is useless
Go to open mi trap chuck mi tuppence worth in .number 1 .loose attitude..ego .which this guy is getting past .he doesn't come across as bigging his self up .now i went from karate to aikido .my mam n dad met at a judo club .so had a decent grounding. When i went to aikido all my judo karate n aikido came together. O SENSEI NEW MANY ARTS . The early aikido was war like .spin n kill ....as he grew older more spiritual .he lost or gave up the want and need to hurt .he overcome his EGO.... if we all followed this way . The way wouldn't be needed.....love n piece......
I think part of the problem with Aikido and its younger more effective brother Hapkido is that the real effectiveness from the joint lock techniques is not as a through, but actually breaking the wrist or arm or whatever joint you've got a hold of. Obviously you can't do this in sparring. If someone was quite good at Hapkido and then trained MMA it could be a very deadly tool in their belt
I recently left my martial arts school after 7 years of training, even got up to black belt and realized that none of the garbage i learned would ever work. I wish i left sooner.
I once asked an Aikido practitioner what he would do if he got attacked woth a karate punch in real life. When he answered that he would catch the first flying at him, I stopped him and said that for me to be able to just touch/block the fist would be heaven let alone catch it.... (I never made him lose face by saying I didnt believe him)
Aikido can be effective if used in the right conditions. You can't expect to immediately execute it. You have to catch the opponent off guard. Much like judo and jiujitsu grappling techniques require timing.
Every martial arts has its purpose. Not all are useful. A real fight is to know which martial arts techniques to use. An example: You don't fight a good boxer on their terms. You drop them, then stomp their hands and kick their arms to dislocate them.
Tak. Bo wszyscy atakujący od razu łapią Cię za nadgarstek....Najważniejsze, to być złapanym za nadgarstek....Sens i sedno Aikido, to być złapanym za nadgarstek.
I'm not saying that all these cool joint locks and manipulations can't or won't be useful. It's just that the frequency that most of them come up is really low with a fully resisting opponent. SO I'd only practice the most common or practical handful.
