During the initial years of service, F-22 pilots experienced symptoms as a result of oxygen system issues that include loss of consciousness, memory loss, emotional lability and neurological changes as well as lingering respiratory problems and a chronic cough; the issues resulted in a four-month grounding in 2011.[191][192] In August 2012, the DoD found that the BRAG valve, used to inflate the pilot's vest during high-g maneuvers, was defective and restricted breathing and the OBOGS (onboard oxygen generation system) unexpectedly reduced oxygen levels during high-g maneuvers
@@DoNotPushHere prob mixing. F35 had issues with programs that's in its computer and its main problem was unable to fulfil everything that airforce proposed initially
Considering that one pilot has already died due to this oxygen issue (which the Air Force had said was his fault due to him being too distracted by his inability to breath to engage the reserve oxygen system), not to mention over a dozen other incidents and near crashes due to oxygen issues which resulted in the F-22 being ground not once, but twice while they tried to figure it out the problem, I think these two officers have a legitimate claim.
TheReal Lifehacks and psychological assistance for those carrying out attacks with drones (it can cause some serious PTSD, depression, and other issues).
jj smith the problem isn't that he is uncomfortable. the problem is the discomfort could lead to lossing the best airplane we have. if your knee hurting means you will total out tanks than we can talk.
The best weapon we have is our paratroopers just saying. Paratroopers are way cooler than pilots or their jets. Don't believe me, ill prove it. Paratroopers jump out of planes, pilots just fly them. Paratroopers consume a lot of alcohol before mission, pilots cant drink 8 hours before flying. Paratroopers have high interest car loans, pilots don't even own their jets.
James Holt in time of war the Air Guard is usually one of the first units to deploy to the front lines. You have to have foces trained in all aspects to be ready if they get called up. There aren't many Guard units that have fighter pilots but there are a few. They also fly F-15, F-16, F-18. They all receive the same training except some work civillian jobs and only get called to serve when needed.
Sorry about the illness. I saw 2 F22 Raptors perform at the OshKosh air show last summer. Could very well have been the coolest thing I've ever seen and heard in my life!
+sager153 it'd be easier to look it up yourself. They changed a few things and fixed it. It's debatable what the actual problem was because there were probably multiple factors that will never be revealed, but it is no longer an issue. This was from years ago.
Lack of or too much oxygen does not cause coughing. Breathable air or oxygen tanks may pass all quality tests but sometimes the breathing equipment itself is overlooked. For example: plasticizers, i.e., substances added to plastics to increase their flexibility, transparency, durability, and longevity may "out-gas" and may get breathed in by a pilot. In fact when you smell that "new car" smell you are breathing in phthalates (plasticizers) that will lessen over time.
AroundWithTy It’s now fixed? What about the lungs of the pilots that flew in them with those problems? Are they fixed? You dumb idiot. STFU if you have nothing of value to say
I had a very similar situation.... As I peddled my Huffy X12 down a particularly steep street, I lost control at about 77 mph and struck a dumpster behind a Long John Silvers. 17 days later I woke from a coma, and had the exact same symptoms. What a remarkable coincidence.
I understand you totally, once I got in a go kart, and after 40 minutes of hard racing, I threw up my lunch, lot of dizziness, and had lack of oxigen inside the helmet, just as the f22 never found out where the leak was.
You should have sued that Long John Silvers for building their business there and placing that dumpster in such a way where anyone careening out of control on a Huffy would be most likely to strike it. Any architect and/or engineer worth their salt should have easily foreseen that situation.
Raptor Cough and Raptor Rash are documented in the DOEHRS (pronounced doors). 2008-2010 Langley, VA ACC Aerospace Medicine Public Health Bioenvironmental Engineer Officer. Your exposures are documented in the Health Readiness System called Defense Occupational Environmental Health Readiness (DOEHRS) by me.
I think statistically the f-15 is best and it's much older... But also take a look at the A-10 it's been flying for 60 years and they're excellent at what they do.
I absolutely concur with you and in all actuality, I feel really bad for these two pilots. With the death of Capt Jeff Haney in 2010, you would think it would be enough to raise some thought, but apparently not. I commend both Major Gordon and Capt Wilson for stepping forward and voicing their concerns however, I fear for their careers because I know the Air Force does not like bad publicity. All the best to these two guys.
Valve in the pressure vests worn by the pilots wasn't letting enough oxygen in. Pathetic that it took them so long to figure it out. Reports had it they took the plane apart looking for the issue..lol
He is spot on a few things but let's be honest, brothers don't voice it so often. Some of my friends in India who flew age old Mig planes have that feeling of coming out of concert or a theatre..It sometimes continues straight for 2-3 hours.
@@jkerman5113 Sinus pressure build up can irritate and cause migraines. Not unusual for pilots. Monster pilots have no allergies. The effects on them are minimal.
The true cause has not been identified so it still happens. Don’t let them fool you on saying it was the valve and a few other issues. More than just pilots have these issues and they don’t wear the suit or take the oxygen. Mechanics have had issues
To the people who feel drones are better: A drone may be safer For pilots since they're controlled remotely. That being said, because of the fact that drones are controlled remotely, they're naturally slower to react, and will encounter more technical issues. If a drone where to go offline, then you have the problem of an explosive-armed aircraft plummeting towards earth, with limited knowledge of where it'll hit. A pilot who is in the cockpit of the aircraft is in full control at all times and is quicker to react in any scenario. In addition, a pilot who only flys drones may never experience the thrill of flying over the speed of sound and the pure rush from flying such a magnificent aircraft. That is my opinion
I'm not an expert, just a engineering student, but with the electronic system there's a ton of problems that the electronics could have, and you would never keep controlling the plane in some of them so it doesn't make sense to say " In the drone goes offline..." because with that problems thw plane will be an "explosive-armed aircraft plummeting towards earth", with one difference : With a pilot on it. And I support the crewed planes, but both have points.
Nathan Watts pilots love to fly... and the airforce is thinking of replacing a raptor with a sopwith camel if you understand what im trying to say... in other words, i agree with you
Nathan Watts aircrafts are prone to mechsnical failure wether it he piloted remotely or not. Sometimes a pilot can't do anything but eject. The feature will take over and no longer will there be soliders or pilots but everything will be controlled remotely.
I believe positive or negative G forces have many unknown effects on the human body. Humans as well as any other living creature on this planet have evolved in an environment with one gravitational unit.
I forgot the guys name but he was strapped on a chair with rockets on it and tested the Gs back in the 50s I think he hit like 20 something Gs and his eyes blood vessels came out. I’ll look for it and link it around here. But long story short he is the reason why ejection seats are at a angle now Found it- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HV4JzoeaWTQ.html
@@edscmidt5193 That’s not the same as consistently pulling several G’s for 30 minutes to an hour or longer. These pilots are not having biological problems with prolonged 0 g. They are having issues with prolonged heavy g’s. Well over 3 g’s. Unlike most jets that have come before these 5th generation fighters might have more capability than the body can handle. F-18’s we’re great, but the F-22 might just be the end for piloted planes.
If the purity of oxygen is above 60% then it can lead to oxygen toxicity also oxygen needs humidity and can dry out the airway/ respiratory tract. The air most humans breathe is humidified from the environment
This is very concerning & should be vetted to see who else shares these issues, since F-22s are not exported, so is there a true issue, or perhaps a created one, to secretly give cause to sell them. I hope not. As a side note, I served in this branch & do suffer the inability to fill my lungs & get a full breath, so I know exactly what he's referring to. I also have migraines (which I attribute to my mother who suffers chronically from them). I've never experience the fogginess he mentioned.
Rachel Maxwell the flight suits only prevent the pilot from falling unconscious by squeezing their legs and keeping the blood in their system where it's needed, the reason that there's been health problems is the the f22 wasn't designed right the first time, they would have the oxygen system aboard not letting enough in as it should, this caused the pilot to not get the right amount so that when they are on the ground they aren't breathing right. Being the I flew the A-6 intruder in the navy I had no problems with the oxygen system and that I would only wobble when I started walking because it feels like just getting off of a rollercoaster. The flight suits, or as we call them "G Suits" would prevent us from losing consciousness while pulling high g turns or high g rolls
I kind of believe it's like a football player that gets hit in the head so many times because your head is getting tossed around by so much torque from these Jets
SWSimpson My guess is that it could perhaps also been aerosolic chemicals they flew threw ( Chemtrails )... that possibly caused theese short term memory issues and cognitive problems after flying, just as civil passengers and crews reported. Experienced that too when there was this heavy Chemtrailing over cities! Must be even worse if they had to fly through that stuff !! I guess it may have been some bleedair filter detail if the F-22 and others that were simply not prepared ! Just hope that theese have ABC GRM ( Ghosty red mist ) filters!
@@L1nKZALEX yeah. The main issue is the aircrafts frame which use toxic materials. If you look at the engineers that work on the aircraft , they all wear protective equipment
What's interesting is that so many people, myself included, say they want to become a fighter pilot until you get to primary and hop in that T-6 Texan II only to find out just how rigorous choosing the fighter route will be on your body. I've known many guys who fall under this category. It's a glorified position for obvious reasons, but it by no means is easy physically. Family friend who flew F-4s has a bunch of back issues from his flying days. Long story short, would it be cool? Of course. Is the long-term health risk worth it? That's a personal decision each individual has to make. Mine was a hard negative. I'll be in awe from the ground while flying things that don't pose such health risks, therefore still fulfilling the flying love of a lifetime.
Not the same but ...in the French navy thw EOD divers received a new CMD rebreather (CRABE that was the substitution for the DC-55) .... That caused many problems amongst the divers ..all of them fit, used to diving with rebreathers yet many suffered pulmonary problems and many incidents took place (even gass embolisms) .... Design was faulty so they had to do some construction changes and now (supposably) things are fine
Per protocol, these these pilots had to have been cleared by the military public affairs office and a senior Commander to give this interview. So everything shared here was approved and cleared by the USAF for release to the public. That means there’s no earth shattering scandal being reported here. Sorry.
That's not physical syptoms the air frame will auto prevent over-g of a predetermined factor. This sounds liek the oxygen system is(was since this video is ancient) compromised.
I'm baffled by some of the ignorance in this comment section. If no one understands the physics behind super sonic jets and the tremendous strain they put on soldiers please don't comment.
During the initial years of service, F-22 pilots experienced symptoms as a result of oxygen system issues that include loss of consciousness, memory loss, emotional lability and neurological changes as well as lingering respiratory problems and a chronic cough; the issues resulted in a four-month grounding in 2011.[191][192] In August 2012, the DoD found that the BRAG valve, used to inflate the pilot's vest during high-g maneuvers, was defective and restricted breathing and the OBOGS (onboard oxygen generation system) unexpectedly reduced oxygen levels during high-g maneuvers
Ive always been a F22 fan. I loved the design the capability the speed everything about it. I would love to be a F22 but due to my country not having a single one i guess im gonna have to go with the F16
To summarize: "I flew F16s before aircraft exhaust treatment. I flew the F22 in the most polluted air since the Ford administration, with more nano alloy particulates than an aluminum foundry... and now I have mysterious breathing problems." Both were 9G airframes. It wasn't the plane. It was the air you were flying in. Regardless... the response is the same "we have determined your condition is not service related"
They should've started replacing the F-22 Raptor sooner then later. I really thought it was a bad idea to replace the F-22 Raptor until he said the problems it has.
I hate to say this but my initial reaction is “well.. what do you expect?”. I mean he’s flying one of the most advanced pieces of aviation at speeds/altitudes/G forces/hours etc.. The human body didn’t evolve to be going 8Gs with barely any oxygen whilst performing at perfect mental and physical capability.
