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Air Force solves F-22 oxygen supply mystery? 

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As "60 Minutes" first revealed, pilots of the Air Force's F-22 warplane have complained of low oxygen problems. David Martin experiences some of the training that pilots undergo and how investigators are confident they have found a solution.

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@ajkalwaysneedsmoreinfo.576
@ajkalwaysneedsmoreinfo.576 6 лет назад
They accidentally hooked up the oxygen pipe to the muffler bearing
@edwinuhabel4054
@edwinuhabel4054 5 лет назад
HAHA! Looks like it.
@alejandini3133
@alejandini3133 4 года назад
😂
@stopbeingapatheticbitch8628
@stopbeingapatheticbitch8628 5 лет назад
Man I've flown hundreds of missions not 1 oxygen system problem well my PS4 remote Batts went dead once but nothing else.
@3stripeboy
@3stripeboy 3 года назад
Hahahaha I was like ayyye a real case from a F22 pilot 😂
@Hejirah
@Hejirah 4 месяца назад
why you laughing at the pilot, man?@@3stripeboy Thank you for your service, sir.
@solsist__3291
@solsist__3291 7 лет назад
Its to bad the F22 is having so much problems. Its such a beautiful aircraft.
@bestamerica
@bestamerica 6 лет назад
Solsist Roblox Its to bad the F22 is having so much problems. Its such a beautiful aircraft. ' hi SR... ussr russia have a big problem with su-50 as pak fat-50... waste waste ussr russia is a big debt currencys and rubles
@marduqmd
@marduqmd 5 лет назад
the f22 looks ok, but it will always be the yf23's plain looking sister.
@bobski8203
@bobski8203 4 года назад
The biggest problem it ever had was the left wing socialist media's false narrative that gets dragged into everything.
@SquirrelFromGradLife
@SquirrelFromGradLife 8 лет назад
How hard can it be to install an oxygen censor to test if the oxygen supply fails in maneuvers or the cause is to much g-force.
@terrancestorey7254
@terrancestorey7254 8 лет назад
+SquirrelFromGradLife Very hard. It is incredibly expensive to do literally anything on an aircraft. You have to design a system. That takes a team of engineers. It takes time to figure out where you can even cram in this piece of equipment and how to power it. So that's yet another team of engineers. Then you have to test the system to make sure it is flight qualified. That's another team of engineers. Then you have to manufacture this system. That means buying overhead just for building a system that will not be needed after you may or may not find the problem. Then you have to install it that's hundreds of mechanics. Then you have to flight test the aircraft before you can even then run the sensor. Now that's how you would do it if you were a smart organization. How the airforce works is you add a level of bureaucracy at each stage. add a person for each engineer that makes sure each person is doing their job. and another group to make sure that no one is spending too much money. and everytime something is completed it takes a mountain of paper work to explain why each stage was needed and how not too much money was spent. not understanding that they wasted thousands of dollars just trying to save a few hundred dollars. So from the airforces perspective it is 100% easier and cheaper to pay for pilots crashing and writing off an aircraft. Just keep covering up the problem and threatening the pilot's with their careers.
@coletanner5193
@coletanner5193 7 лет назад
They were using oxygen censors on the fingers of the pilots well before they found out why it was happening. I know a colonel( sounds like kernel) and he said at every stage of the military they want someone who can spend the most and justify the cost. The more they spend the more money they get the next year. It's a racket, but he said it's been going on since he started in the 1970s. The day you start finding less expensive products or procedures is the day you get demoted back to where you were. He also said changing anything was like an act of Congress. Alot of the technology is old because the ones in charge or senior level..it's what they learned and they have no interest in changing it to something that they don't know making them useless.
@patman0250
@patman0250 7 лет назад
they have you moron !! the problem is they don't know how its happening !!!
@joek4539
@joek4539 6 лет назад
SquirrelFromGradLife as hard as spelling sensor
@kevinzhu6151
@kevinzhu6151 6 лет назад
Terrance Storey well said. respect from china
@dentalflossblindfold8908
@dentalflossblindfold8908 6 лет назад
In 2004 I would watch these do practice flights around 7am every weekday at Edwards AFB
@247keepitreal
@247keepitreal 3 года назад
I once pulled 9 Gs.......off my credit card to pay some bills.
@shawntravelstheworld911
@shawntravelstheworld911 6 лет назад
It's the catalyst that comes from Honeywell. There is something wrong in the supply chain that is allowing bad catalyst to be installed and used on the regen systems fleet wide. They still haven't pinned it down.
@michellesullivan3927
@michellesullivan3927 8 лет назад
I am curious to know since all of the air crafts armament is internal what if any effect that has on the quality of oxygen. Basically put every thing off gases. Like a brand new carpet in a room that can be smelled for weeks or a fresh coat of paint in a room where the odor lingers for weeks. If the armament is internal how and where are the contents of those weapons off gassing?
@TheStarvingSamurai
@TheStarvingSamurai 8 лет назад
+Michelle Sullivan The internal bays are not connected to the cockpit or the oxygen line. The cause was a faulty valve and filter system. They replaced both of those and as of April 2015, all F-22s have received the fix. They also added an automatic backup oxygen system when they found out the issue. They left that system in the aircraft instead of paying to take it out, so it's just a background feature for the jet now. So no, they weren't sniffing paint from the bombs or whatever you're trying to say.
@jonhseven133
@jonhseven133 10 месяцев назад
I have designs to go further than this but I would never give them up because I don't think you would use correctly
@user-xw4hn7lb3x
@user-xw4hn7lb3x 4 месяца назад
PAO cooling fluid is leaking into the OBOGS and the pilots are breathing it in... ☠
@LarryBoivin-wk1wz
@LarryBoivin-wk1wz 4 месяца назад
Maybe they should wear space suits like the SR-71.
@Avofan
@Avofan 8 лет назад
Col. Kevin Robbins was 2006-2007 team leader for the T-Birds.
@connorvaughn7968
@connorvaughn7968 6 лет назад
Every time I see a fighter jet, I assume that its maybe 10/13 feet long and 7 feet tall. Then I watch these videos and realize they're about the same size as a private Lear jet. :/
@csb772
@csb772 6 лет назад
I flew the F22 in Vietnam. We did not have any issues then
@josharnold4638
@josharnold4638 4 года назад
CHALK772 the F22 has been around that long? I thought the F22 came out in like 2005.... or was that the, “Story?”
@camden199
@camden199 4 года назад
@@josharnold4638 2005 is correct
@Icecold0303
@Icecold0303 3 года назад
I flew su27 in Germany
@sohumpimputkar1108
@sohumpimputkar1108 3 года назад
There were some prototypes built number is still unknown Those prototypes were the same as the Raptors just the stealthiness was low and weapons carriage was less
@sydneysheppard4979
@sydneysheppard4979 5 месяцев назад
Not correct
@jackjones3657
@jackjones3657 7 лет назад
So, it's not the airplane that has any flaws, but the decompression vests that keep it flying well below its design limits. Seems they could use the vests F15 or F18 pilots use.
@robhawkins4677
@robhawkins4677 6 лет назад
F18 have the same issue.
@williamzabel2080
@williamzabel2080 4 года назад
There are acceptable risks and that is flying a combat aircraft that can be shot down, crash during a storm, but risks based on defective equipment that the military can't or won't fix, is an unacceptable risk.
@global6674
@global6674 6 лет назад
This video is at least five years old
@Kilo-sz4ch
@Kilo-sz4ch 6 лет назад
global6674 yeah
@sohumpimputkar1108
@sohumpimputkar1108 3 года назад
Yea in 2020 the F22 oxygen problem is now completely solved
@dawelimey9819
@dawelimey9819 4 месяца назад
Your comment is at least five years old
@adrianroncea2628
@adrianroncea2628 4 года назад
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@adrianroncea2628
@adrianroncea2628 4 года назад
Canada, 40-50 %
@adrianroncea2628
@adrianroncea2628 4 года назад
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@andyg8986
@andyg8986 6 месяцев назад
I’ll maintain that the bonding substances used to fuse stealth coating to the aircraft skin undergoes a strong chemical reaction at operational temperatures, triggering the toxin release that is affecting both the pilots and post-flight ground crews. Why ever would a contractor hire chemists to analyze such potentially dangerous consequences?
@thegloriousquran1208
@thegloriousquran1208 6 лет назад
He didn't say anything
@jonhseven133
@jonhseven133 10 месяцев назад
Make sure you put him outside down so he has not flown rush to his head and then cut their
@jonhseven133
@jonhseven133 10 месяцев назад
What about the navy now deep water compression... swim under pressure...
@blakemosley5965
@blakemosley5965 7 лет назад
what's better about this jet than the f-15 f-16 f-18 like is it faster better weapons more agility I want to know
@samjohnson9894
@samjohnson9894 7 лет назад
Blake Mosley Average aircraft enthusiast here - As you say, the F22 is faster and more agile than the last generation of aircraft, of which all the other craft you mention are a part. Not to say the aren't good. They are the reason the F22 exists, in a way. Their existence over the years made it inevitable that parts and designs of parts and systems could be acquired by the enemy, leading to a pairing of capable air power by two sworn enemies. This could not be allowed to stand. Too much at stake. SO, the F22 carries their best traits into battle and adds a few other things of its own. 360 degree radar evasion (stealth) 100% faster and more efficient avionics to include targeting and communications 20% or so higher durability and lower maintenance Plus it's a bargain compared to the F35. Its development costs alone were a fraction of the F35 and per plane cost was as well downright Dollar Store in comparison. The F-18 still takes flight in its most aggressive kit in history. It still lives among its floating nests. Total American dominance of its theaters. The F-15 was, is, and will remain the greatest of its generation I believe most would agree on that. And if it weren't for the perceived threats at the time of contract award, the F15 and current MIG/Tupelov/Sukoi variants ('Dassault Rafale' to the Frenchies, yes literally translated to English it means 'fart') would most likely still be kings of the skies today. The F16 is like the Ford Focus ST/RS to the Mustang GT/Cobra (F15/18). It is ruler of it's domain, just a lower domain than that of the big boys. That's all I got.
@blakemosley5965
@blakemosley5965 7 лет назад
Sam Johnson thank you
@SuzanaMantovaniCerqueira
@SuzanaMantovaniCerqueira 3 месяца назад
🤔 Interesting. Great that they found and gave a solution to the problem. Great pilots and great aircraft. I am suspected to say something. My family has pilots. I consider a brave and beautiful profession/ position.
@jonhseven133
@jonhseven133 10 месяцев назад
Ejecting is one of the worst things you can do to a pilot cuz it means you might not fly again but only if you know why
@cowboyanimal6700
@cowboyanimal6700 5 лет назад
Narrated by Pierre Sprey :^)
@sfletch9535
@sfletch9535 8 лет назад
LOve it
@KFieLdGaming
@KFieLdGaming 8 лет назад
This is a shining example of why the old-generation F15/F16/F18 fighters are all still amazing aircraft that still perform excellently by today's standards. They just "work" and they perform to the level we need them to. The only issue that sometimes crops up is the hazardous use of Hydrazine for the F16's EPU(Emergency Power Unit). Hydrazine is deadly shit if over-exposed. The EPU basically provides power to the electronics and hydraulics should a failure occur and the F16's single engine cannot provide the power to those systems. There are rigorous safety measures in place in case the EPU needs to be fired, especially if it happens on the ground during a take-off roll, etc. I think it's also why you almost never see F16 pilots flying without their O2 mask on, even below 10,000 feet where additional oxygen wouldn't be required. I could be wrong on that so if anyone who has real-word experience with the viper would like to correct me on that feel free.
@robhawkins4677
@robhawkins4677 6 лет назад
F-18 have the same hypoxic issues...
@bobski8203
@bobski8203 4 года назад
@@robhawkins4677 Right, but the media can';t use that to make Americans afraid of keeping the F-18 flying. They are pushing a full-court press against the F-22. Don't you wonder why?
@Cars-N-Jets
@Cars-N-Jets 10 месяцев назад
@@bobski8203Doesnt matter anymore cuz they not talking about the USAF.
@ece5925
@ece5925 6 месяцев назад
Nothing in any military force ”just works”😂
@matthewweisenburger2095
@matthewweisenburger2095 6 лет назад
That jet can pull far more than 9 g’s that’s just the maximum sustainable limit for the human body. In the 1930’s they had a biplane called the f3f and it could pull 12 g’s I can’t imagine what the raptor is capable of.
@simonrano8072
@simonrano8072 6 лет назад
not necessarly. The human body resistance to G load doesn't correspond to a simple number. It depends on the duration and direction of the load as well. A human body can withstand 12 G of backward load but barely 7 in a upward load (red veil). This 9 G limits is for around 20 sec in jet turn condition. The aircraft resistance is a mater of structural integrity. Advanced aircraft dont withstand +12 G loads as their structure is complexe. The board computer will limite the load to protect the aircraft. The Raptor is probably not capable of very high loads as it would had a sheer amount of structural conception issues. They are basically rated for an "emergency load" that barely surpasses pilots abilities
@bobski8203
@bobski8203 4 года назад
@@simonrano8072 -- You clearly never bothered to observe raptors in action. Also, human bodies don't do so well in 12 G loads. 7 Gs is too much for most of the Russian fighters from the 1960s through 1990s. I haven't seen anything to suggest that the new golden geese from Sukhoi can do any better. Meanwhile, F-22s have demonstrated better maneuverability than you suggest, and they are probably capable of far more.
@simonrano8072
@simonrano8072 4 года назад
@@bobski8203 you clearly did not bother understanding what i wrote. Maneuvrability is not a single matter of G Load. Angle of attack and stall speed are very important as well. What I say is just that jet fighters and humans have different load survivability depending on direction and duration. On board computer will refuse maneuvers that will damage the aircraft, that is all. People have survived +20 Gs in some conditions.
@bobski8203
@bobski8203 4 года назад
@@simonrano8072 -- I've observed F-22s flying locally and in airshows. I also know that they reserve their best skills for combat surprises, so clearly the Raptor has no problem at all with high-G maneuvers. If you had watched one, you would know that. I have family members who are or were fighter pilots, so what you are saying is not misunderstood. F-22s have been seen turning at almost zero-airspeed in some pretty radical manners. The only limiting factor of the airframe is the human interface and the safety thereof. The plane is capable of flying itself, as most or all USAF aircraft have been since the 1960s. Also, people who pull more than 8 Gs tend to have internal damage which medical science is only beginning to understand and address. As I said, people don't do so well at the high loads you mentioned. I didn't fail to understand you.
@andreipulosul1492
@andreipulosul1492 3 года назад
They all can do an extreme 14g with high flexion in the wings for depends how much time until it rips apart,and 12g would be the max safe load. F-22s have pretty bulky and thick wings maybe it could do more without ripping apart who knows
@dennistedder3384
@dennistedder3384 6 лет назад
Everyone remember, the B--2 bomber was going to dissolve the first time it flew into a rain cloud. Just sayin'.
@dadsonworldwide3238
@dadsonworldwide3238 6 лет назад
Lol what's the point if rerunning this 9 year old issue?
@MichaelBarnes-ey7sj
@MichaelBarnes-ey7sj 23 дня назад
You clicked didn't you ?
@uSpeakTruth
@uSpeakTruth 6 лет назад
Yet the report never revealed the mystery.. only that it was an oxygen problem and the vest. Booo!
@bobski8203
@bobski8203 4 года назад
They can only say just so much. This is classified equipment in a classified application. You are privileged to know as much about it as you do. I mean . . . who are you, anyway? And you have a problem with this because . . . . . .?!?!?!?!
@purplesword5536
@purplesword5536 5 лет назад
Building better and upgraded gen 4 aircraft like the typhoon or Rafael might have been smarter but USA wanted a stealth fighter it got a good aircraft with raptor but too many kinks that are troublesome..
@SuperiorAmericanGuy
@SuperiorAmericanGuy 8 лет назад
Solved its oxygen issue? Yay this made the F-22 better and safer for our pilots to fly in
@potatoraider7320
@potatoraider7320 7 лет назад
mrwong11989 however it said that will in return makes your lungs blow up.
@SuperiorAmericanGuy
@SuperiorAmericanGuy 7 лет назад
But what about the other fighters including the F-18s and F-35s?
@cranjismcbasketball2118
@cranjismcbasketball2118 5 лет назад
It was probably a banana in the tailpipe!
@BGoldtone
@BGoldtone 12 лет назад
"Step right up ladies and gentlemen to the most expensive amusement park ride in history"! The only problem is you might not come out of this roller coaster ride alive. What a joke. Millions of dollars in tax payers subsidies for a military fighter jet that can't be trusted. Welcome to the new era of high priced military garbage that doesn't work courtesy of the sucker American taxpayers. If we had this mess to worry about back in WW11 we would certainly have lost that war for sure.
@Kilo-sz4ch
@Kilo-sz4ch 6 лет назад
BGoldtone unfortunately you wouldn't be brave enough to fight in that war now wouldn't you?
@michaelazelton9320
@michaelazelton9320 6 лет назад
Elisha Ellis oof goteem 5 years later
@robertsanchez1767
@robertsanchez1767 6 лет назад
Michael Azelton hahahah lmao
@bobski8203
@bobski8203 4 года назад
WW11? World War 11, you say? Wow. Either you guys really fight fast or my nap was a bit longer than I thought. I guess I better go check how long my beard is.
@kevinzhu6151
@kevinzhu6151 6 лет назад
you know what. the reason why 5th generation jet fighters from other countries do not seem to have this kind of problem is SOLELY because they do not really have a jet THIS FAST................
@telesniper2
@telesniper2 Год назад
This is B.S. Pressure vests and suits have been in use for a very long time, and they're all integrated into the aircraft to inflate during high Gs. This hasn't been a problem on any other aircraft. So they're full of B.S.
@richardboran749
@richardboran749 4 месяца назад
Engineers. They put 10,000 sensors on the aircraft and zero on the pilot or their equipment. Brilliant!
@rrojasg68
@rrojasg68 7 лет назад
I'm sure the Russians have the same problems we don't know about!
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 7 лет назад
Of course, and so do our older fighters that most everyone assumes work so well. They do work better than they used to, but some of their issues took decades to resolve, and most of the public were never aware of the struggle. Another thing most people don't know about Russian fighters is that they're not designed for nearly as many flight hours as American fighters. That's why they have lighter structures and engines tuned for maximum power instead of long-term durability. This makes for impressive flight performance, but it also means that reliability is a major problem, and their pilots can't get a lot of training time, which is the worst kind of problem to have.
@americannotamericant1773
@americannotamericant1773 6 лет назад
Robincio Geroca I mean their aircraft are no where as advanced or as well built as our aircraft so I am sure they have equally as much issues.
@aps-c1766
@aps-c1766 6 лет назад
Every aircraft have must primary problem. but they are classified
@frankthespank
@frankthespank 6 лет назад
SamabiTV MiG-29’s are NOT the best fighters, LOL. Watch some videos of original f/a-18’s and F-16’s smoke German MiG-29’s in dogfights, turn that battle to BVR combat and it’s just sad. America has the best long range missile in the business, the amram120
@adelraad891
@adelraad891 6 лет назад
Robincio Geroca I don't think so lol
@yesthefloorhereismadeoutof238
@yesthefloorhereismadeoutof238 6 лет назад
This what happenes when you move your economy to china, lol 😂 jk
@ho-ux8rm
@ho-ux8rm 5 месяцев назад
SU 57 doesn't have this problem 😊
@bestamerica
@bestamerica 6 лет назад
' american F-22 is a great plane and normal speeding... but F-15se is more faster speeding than F-22... F-22 need to fix better twin jetmotors with faster speeding UP
@Silverboy9091
@Silverboy9091 5 лет назад
F 22 must have a AI and not a human on the plane because the ggs are tho heavy for humans. America must make 6e generation airplane wiht no man on that plane but whone AI . A plain that can hack other plains for the hack them A plain that not can be scrambled or hackt by anemy.
@georgelow2442
@georgelow2442 5 лет назад
if you RU-vid Russian dancing Jets you'll see who has the most maneuverable jets in the world and it ain't us. In the most powerful.
@bobski8203
@bobski8203 4 года назад
No you don't, you just see who has the most propaganda going.
@adam-od7ow
@adam-od7ow 4 года назад
what good are airshow tricks when a missile from an f22 15 miles away is coming and you don't even know it
@bobski8203
@bobski8203 4 года назад
@@adam-od7ow - An F-22 could be *5* miles away and they wouldn't know it.
@drunkmike9943
@drunkmike9943 9 лет назад
Could it be that many pilots can't handle the capabilities of the f22 I mean 9Gs is easy for the f22 fuck me.
@michellesullivan3927
@michellesullivan3927 8 лет назад
+drunk mike F16 fighting Falcons do +9gs all day long. Pilots rarely have issues.
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 7 лет назад
+Michelle Sullivan 9g is the common limit imposed for pilot and structural tolerance, but it doesn't mean that all fighters that can pull 9g are the same. For example, no fighter can pull 9g (or even close to that, oftentimes) at all speeds, altitudes, and other conditions, but the F-22 can pull more g under more conditions than other fighters, up to the limit of 9 (imposed by its flight control system). And, perhaps more relevant to this particular discussion, the g-onset rate in the F-22 can be significantly more rapid than in the F-16, so even with the same ultimate limit, pulling 9g in the F-22 can be harder on pilots because the force is applied so quickly. This depends on their control inputs, of course, but the F-22 is more agile than the F-16, so maximum stick force is going to hurt more. Additionally, the F-22 is designed for high performance at higher altitudes, and personally I think its OBOGS (on-board oxygen generation system, which is something new for fighters--the older ones all use LOX bottles) is not always up to the task when it does certain maneuvers at high speeds and altitudes. Fortunately, the OBOGS is now supplemented by a small LOX bottle, which increases the flow of oxygen when the in-ear oxygen sensor determines this is necessary.
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 7 лет назад
+jhon doe How could the structure handle infinite g, though? Build it to withstand super-high g force, and it won't be able to carry much ordnance or fuel, if it can fly at all. It's not just about the pilot's limitations.
@LondonTom007
@LondonTom007 8 месяцев назад
An expensive mistake. Typical Americans
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