Why can't the U.S. Build Any New F-22 Raptors 

This is why I upgrade my computer every few years with budget parts rather than an expensive system I have for 10 years

@@fritzstudios8571 🤣🤣🤣

I think that the F-22 in its current use will still be viable for certain situations. But I thinks the combined US armed forces are looking to the F-35 in it's variations to eventually work with the so called NGAD fighters being developed for the Airforce and Navy with the new 6 gen planes flying in the early 2030's. Apparently the US has already flown a prototype for the Airforce. So this platform is not far off. But I don't think the USAF is just going to mothball this plane. The F-17 is still being used secretly. The F-22 is still the most advanced fighter in the world. That is why it is still classified and can't be sold to US allies. There will be a use for it in the future.

I sure hope you are right!

Well the US better get it in gear. China is getting way ahead of us.

nope

And here I'd always been told that it was because Lockheed had a track record of delivering fighters on time and close to budget, while Grumman's track record with fighters had been spotty (although they apparently killed it when it comes to bombers...) That is, unless people claimed it was an entirely political decision and things like company track records and discovered design flaws were just cover excuses... You're the first I've heard that has any sort of detailed list of physical reasons for the decision.

It coudn't execute the necessary angle of attack and that was a critical fail.

I wonder if the F-23 comes back in a form as the NGAD now that maneuverability is slightly less necessary as compared to larger weapons bays and increased stealth.

It came down to payload.

From the look of the YF-23 it didn’t have the full angles of thrust vectoring that the raptor has. Anyone know anything about this?

Eow, don't be silly, why would you produce it again without improvements, another failure of crystal ball fools telling us what the future of War is going to be. Wondering how well the 100+ active F-22s will hold out when the time comes.....

Aircraft are continuously being modified with current technologies. The F-22 fleet is currently being modernized with new software. New ones are also being built in Palmdale CA

The NGAD, the F22 successor is already in development.

@@svenjorgensen5 😂

6th gen planes are being designed already, no point in trying to relaunch raptor production

You cant restart production because all the tooling and molds to create the jet were destroyed after the program was cancelled. it would be like starting from scratch... and if you have to start from scratch, might as well build something new.

@@brentduran675 true, but thats what the government does at the end of every program... if it was cancelled because it was "expensive"... how do you justify paying for the storage of all this tooling after the program ends?

@@omlettedufromage8588 yeah, it would be good to have a better understanding of the cost of storage so we could better assess the decision. I think even back then it was understood that the F-22 was the premier fighter in the world, so having the contingency to restart production, if needed, seems like it would have been prudent. It's such a shame that such a plan wasn't put into place. Imagine what an upgraded F-22 (like the F-15 EX) would be like with today's technology. I guess we'll just have to hope that the NGAD fighter can capture lightning in a bottle like the F-22.

@@brentduran675 it wasn’t just the storage cost that made them destroy everything that has to do with the plane, the F22 is the only fighter that we do not sell to other countries because of its advanced technology. They had to destroy it all after it was canceled, couldn’t let the let the secrets get out.

@@gregcreek5715 sorry, but that's a pretty flimsy argument. Lockheed still has the plans for the F-22, and presumably the molds & tooling for reference, and with all that detailed information they still can't feasibly restart production. And since it's highly unlikely that someone could just walk in & out with the molds and tooling for an F-22, the risk that a foreign government could make a clone of the raptor is astronomically small, at best. I just don't see that as a reasonable justification to permanently remove the option for the U.S. to ever restart F-22 production by destroying the molds and tooling.

It cost $3 billon just to retool the assembly line. That's before they can even start making a plane

Pentagon and Economics , not their strong suit.

@@jeremyst.george6711 the assembly tooling was cut up by a bunch of hacks and is currently being stored , it would cost more to retool the program a cost estimate was to expensive to restart

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@@gautumbuddhabuddha8234 China has no ability to project power very far outside of its borders. All of that military hardware your country bought is useless cheap crap. I mean, your navy can’t even sail into open ocean because the crappy boats will fall apart! I hope my comment caused your social credit score to go down. If China wants to worry about someone, it should worry about it’s own government. Your people are the definition of the word oppressed.

there are cheaper version of the F22? Please do share!!! NOT!!

@@jamesw71 my guess is some of tech goes f-35 or new f-16 development

You can't always take a seat calmly, now I've heard even military research have absurd amount affirmative action.

Even now American kids had PEMDAS mathematics

The big difference is that much of the air force equipment is sold to other countries for revenue. What does the navy sell? The navy should be thankful that we get revenue to buy submarines with sold F-16

Look at the F-23

Difference is that the F35 was also meant as export with foreign investment. F22 as far as I know is still limited to just the US.

The Eurofighter is better

@@valgo8128 The F22's radar signature is way smaller. It has destroyed 4 in real world combat exercises before they even detected the F22.

@@valgo8128 The facts would disagree with your statement. The Military has held simulations and war games that would clearly demonstrate that the raptor has a huge advantage a kill ratio of 241:2 against any fighter. You can not hit what you can not see. The Euro fighter missiles can not lock onto target. The only way to shoot a Raptor down is by luck in close visual combat where the f-22 runs into the stream of Euro Fighter bullets. In a real fight the Euro Fighter will be looking all over for the Raptor when all of the sudden it get's blown out of the sky.

You are right the cost per jet would have been cheeper to build than what we have invested in the f-35. It is stupid decisions like these that have marred the Obama administration.

There is a price for might and greatness! Sure it's not one to keep an open tab in peace times, but does the scene look like peaceful to you? I bet there's a secret F-22 evolution fighter jet, US would simply not accept loosing the might to Russia and China, especially on uncertain times.

@@drd9115 Always mate, I have no doubt the black ops skunk works projects reverse engineered tech from UFOS. They would have some type of UFO plane fighter and weaponry, just like how the first nuclear bomb dropped in japan shocked the world. The questions is are they more likely to keep it secret cause the technology is so powerful to release and likely make them a target to steal the information. And likely the cost to make these crafts are absurd to build an air fleet. We all know the Pentagon Black project Budget is Massive and its never ever been disclosed.

​@@drd9115 We accepted a humiliating loss to a bunch of seventh century goat herders in afghanistan. We have plenty of humiliating loses ever since WWII exception Gulf 1. And now our ongoing proxy war with Russia isn't going very well either. Oh, but you think we can face off with China and Russia at the same time and win? Based on what, prior history? Sure.

All aircraft are expensive to maintain.

@Scolee Some a lot more than others.

@Varangian Guard there will not be a hybrid of a dual engine and single engine aircraft. Maybe avionics, that's about it.

For a measly 187 airframes? I doubt it unless its own the cheap (and it won't be). The USAF already has a Gen.6 Prototype fighter, I'd sooner see the money put into that.

It is already underway. They are getting the latest radar and an upgraded bus system that resembles the F35's system. The sensors are also being upgraded to make the super F 22 even more of a threat. They are also using a new type of radar reflecting coating that is more durable and easier to apply.

no, unmanned. period.

@Varangian Guard A plane with the F35’s stealth capabilities and the F22’s performance/maneuverability

Lol, pentagon economics eh?

RU-vid commenter Military economist

Wait, you are comparing the most able F 22 with 185 produced with Zummwalt?

maintenance and running costs of f22s are extremely expensive too. their combat readiness are low too. You may argue about f35s, thats another topic :(

Politicians are all corrupt morons. Looks like the countries with dictators are being run better. Ironic.

So, in other words, we're moving so fast technologically that it doesn't matter if put something out. If the masses see it, it is already scrapped, junk, or just plain out? Right?

@@benjaminphilips7506 I also think that conventional warfare is not anymore what the powers that be are too concerned about.

@@karimshebeika8010 I disagree. It's exactly programs like these that allow the powers to be to not be too concerned about conventional conflicts.

@@benjaminphilips7506 Yes. Look up 'Moores Law' it pretty much applies to everything in the sciences today.

Moore's Law states that the number of transistors on a microchip doubles about every two years, though the cost of computers is halved. In 1965, Gordon E. Moore, the co-founder of Intel, made this observation that became known as Moore's Law.

We are still using Windows XP for some of our military operating systems. We are not really ahead of much anymore.... We are spending the money but getting 20-30 years technology because buy to delivery takes 5-10 years right now on average. We are also spending Lamborghini money for a Geo metro. A screwdriver that is $3 at Home Depot is costing the taxpayers over $1000 in the F35 program.... It's mostly fraud waste and abuse to line the right people's Pockets and get certain people elected.

@@Phantom8589 you are not supposed to say anything about the systems in weapons. You are helping enemies. wtf . do not say anything about the capabilities of weaponry until it's needed. the element of surprise is a tool. You , just messed that up. you just lost your clearance. loose lips sink ships

@@gregsmith7828 Google it genius, it's open source. You're talking out your @ss.

agreed....need to fix the Congressional and DOD procurement systems as they are broken....so many overpriced programs in the last 50 years just because our government refuses to allow useless designs to just die off and their companies to go bankrupt. it is past time for our government to start rewarding innovation like we did during WW2 instead of throwing pathetic amounts of money at greedy defense contractors who continuously fail to deliver.

You know what speeds up processes and cuts the abusive BS huge devastating war or the threat of it unfortunately and that’s about it. Look at the turn around time during Ww2 or the worst days of the Cold War compared to now

Too right mate.

maybe it should visit real battlefield not airshows?

excellent comment, and here's a little insight... it's not a great design... the outside is sexy for sure and everybody's brain seems to stop at that aspect, but everything else below the skin is absolute hot garbage! the tail vanes, nicknamed "the tacos" (the vertical pieces that wall in the clamshell exhaust on each engine) are made of titanium... and due to its the design, they only last 100 operational hours and then they need to be changed out because they crack. the Missile def system (chaff/flare cannisters) are over designed and extremely difficult to adjust/calibrate. it's installation has more angle options for chaff/flare ejection available than it would ever need, all other combat aircraft with a missile def sys only have 1 angle orientation... this system has like 10 and the only way to change this angle (because it's not powered moveable) for a new one is to rip it apart and start over like a fresh install. the wing carry-thru structure was also over designed (too stiff...structural cracking) requiring a modification program to be developed to cut into the airframe and create structural flexibility. the mint green color you see is mostly a thin veneer of bondo to give the aircraft a slippery smooth shape. this also leads to additional maint down the line when this also cracks... not to mention the proprietary radar absorbing paint application that would also need to be replaced. this bird is nicknamed "the F-22 Crapster" for good reasons. *edited to add... the "tacos" i referred to are the vertical pieces between these guys heads in the thumbnail for this vid.

@@omlettedufromage8588 the mint green is a primer paint you clearly don’t know anything about the aircraft , I assembled and applied the stealth coating , as far as the structural cracks it never existed you clearly don’t know anything about the F22 program

@@talkingrock7011 Hilarious... because i was on the wing mod team at site 10 (AF Plant 42) in 2007/8. i was an experimental mech that was invited to the mod team (from EAFB) to help "un-F" this garbage. my primary task was to work the carry thru bolt mounts for the wing that were milled out (cut out) to add titanium tubs under the bolt head to provide flexibility to the wing join area. in between aircraft mod cycles, i worked on rebuilding the tail tacos in their rebuild shop. when they were not busy, i had free time to work on any other squawks on the bird. i was all over it. the mint green FR (fluid resistant prime is a bondo). what else do you want to know... the time the morning burrito truck shows up or that you actually enter a smaller building (to the south of site 10) and walk underground for about 300ft and pop up in the center of the main hangar at site 10? dont clown me bro, i have 20 years in the circus. *edited to add... all the structural seams aft of the main gear (top/bottom) of the fuselage are faired (smoothed) with a bondo type filler (mint green).

"Peace Divided" - the F-22 was viewed as unnecessary given the collapse of the USSR and the "inevitable" tread toward liberal democracy that china would no doubt experience as it climbed out of poverty from trading with the west. With no peer/near peers being able to win a dog fight wouldn't matter. AF Buying Commands Ensuring the F-35 program's future - The AF & Lockheed knew if there was an alternative 5th gen (especially one so much more capable like the F-22) to the F-35 program if it grew in cost, delay, or technical limitation decision makers would consider canceling the program and buying more F-22s. To keep this from happening they made sure the line was shut down early in the F-35 development. Exports - The F-22 was prohibited from being sold to foreign nations since it was "too advanced". This meant foreign sales couldnt be used to keep economies of scale or manufacturing lines open like many US military equipment supply lines. This cost US contractors money and opened opportunities for foreign manufacturers to fund develop 4th gen+ aircraft to fill the gap for the international market. The F-35 was meant to be export friendly to keep the US in the top line international fighter game. Future Development - The sensor/computers on the F-22 weren't optimized for pilotless flight, the F-35 has a lot more going on there. I think the airforce sees the follow up to the F-35 as a pilotless plane, so upgrades which improve the F-35's AI will be key to that future planes development while F-22 upgrades would do little.

@@link10909 why AI why not just remote piloting like they do with drones? No matter what AI or drone a footage feed will always be there right?

Any government lol

agreed, just look at the development of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle and how it kept getting changed by inept DoD managers.

Any government with any program.

They wouldn't buy Rutan's ARES "Mudfighter" Close Air Support plane. The one example built used a 25mm gatling cannon. Fast, very maneuverable, accurate shooting. A bit small though. Scaled up enough to carry a 30mm cannon, a GAU-8/A with fewer barrels and smaller magazine, it could have been the perfect replacement for the A-10. Smaller, lighter, faster, more agile. Wouldn't carry as much ordnance but by virtue of being lower cost more could be built and they could cycle to and from the battle field faster, keeping CAS overhead just as much as the A-10's. Even if produced just like the prototype, ARES would've been a good CAS plane for softer targets like trucks, APCs, artillery, missile launchers, etc.

There is, they literally melted down or destroyed the tools used to build the F-22 when they shutdown the program. So even if they attempted to restart the program they would have to either go along with a different way of building it or reinvent the dam tools before attempting to rebuild f-22's and no using F-35 tool wouldn't work cause they are completely different jets and the way they built them is completely different. Reason for them destroying everything after program was shutdown was simply because they were afraid some of it would end up in Chinese or Russian hands.

one very good reason, cost, Uncle Samantha has no cash and F22 is so expensive and useless you may as well throw gold bars at the enmy...

The plane hasn’t been made in over a decade. The workers and the knowledge they possess have moved on. The facilities to build them have been reassigned to other projects. Lockheed isn’t going to stop F-35 production and leave a factory ideal for years to start a F-22 production line. Especially when there’s a lucrative export market for F-35s and F-22s are banned from export. It’s simply not worth the cost.

@@jasonpeacock9735 none of those are reasons why they can’t, just reasons why they won’t.

Fly by wire. Fighter planes are deliberately aerodynamically unstable these days, so much so that they need computers to make constant minor adjustments to keep them flying.

@@dimwitsixtytwelve yep. The computers keep the plane flying firey end to the rear, pointy end to the front. Pilot inputs essentially tell the computer to allow the natural instability of the plane to be allowed to be unstable toward the desired direction.

Epic! I’ve never seen one flying. Though I’ve seen one at the air-force museum in Ohio. Such a cool plane

Where. Do. You. Live.

Do you hear their howl? I heard them at Sun N Fun when they first arrived and did a few fly overs.

Your lucky all I get here in Houston is f18s and f16s

Trillions of more dollars are being wasted when we won't get the several hundred aircraft we truly need, while more pork will flow to politicians back pockets and backyards to keep them getting elected and stealing money from taxpayers for these unneeded programs.

The F-14 would like a word

@@stevencramsie9172 meh, corners too sharp.

@Jeffery Franks that comment right there!

USA is slowly learning that if they need to launch a F-22 or F-35 every time they need to shoot down a 20 year old terrorist Toyota Hilux, the terrorist are actually the ones winning.

Not the point the usa still protects the tech of f22 even 30 years later and us pilots are not allowed to show its full capabilities when doing joint excersize with other countries the point is its the most advanced fighter we have even better then f 35 can ever hope to be

@@slurp3194 The point is Air Superiority is a top priority at The White House, The Pentagon and Congress. It’s also the top priority of Air General Staff. That’s one budget and one mission capability that will always be addressed for a myriad of reasons. I wouldn’t be too concerned with no more F-22 rolling off the production line.

Not true. Wildly inconsistent data, incomparable air assets and capabilities, and completely different air defense networks proves you completely and utterly wrong. Phalanx Grid > Drone Swarm

it all depends on their defense systems what is needed. by that logic, just shoot a few missiles and call it good

What if your opponent has world class radar and Cyber warfare system.

@@realShikha885 most long range are pre programmed and shielded from emp

That last sentence 😂😂😂

the greatest country ever is the netherlands, sorry to burst your bubble

@@simonvelten91 The Netherlands?! They don’t even count! Lol! NOBODY cries to the Netherlands when their is a crisis in the world nor has anyone ever looked to the Netherlands for any kind of leadership! lol.... Please....

@@simonvelten91 actually its new zealand, you liar.

main thing that killed it was the tech in it that could not be sold to other nations, is why the slower lesser plane is being made, cause we can sell it, it always comes down to money

this is exactly the case, they have to keep an army of engineers on the payroll and they can't do that after they go to production, they always have something that needs re-engineered and fixed because it was poorly designed to begin with.

@@jamesw71 there's a whole lotta truth to what you said. mainly because the engineers that knew their stuff (40's, 50's, 60's) are dying off. this newer gen of pencil heads just cant think outside the box. i've run across entire designs that cant be assembled or installed because i'm not weight-less or have hands the size of an elf.

Yeah that’s actually a really good point. As amazing as these aircraft are they shouldn’t take half a century to build. Obviously trying to milk as much money from the government LOL.

exactly.

as a aviation maintenance guy, this is something ive tried explaining to people. No other country on earth trains their pilots as much as the US does.

@@spaceisalie5451 Totally agree. When I was in Desert Shield in the early '90s I think we did about 75% training and 25% sending rounds downrange. Now grant it really wasn't a full-on war back then. Non-less training was always a priority on down times.

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Maneuverability don't matter since over horizon attacs became a thing

America can't fail. :-)

Ha ha. That's funny. Blind faith. China is moving full speed ahead. China still makes almost everything US citizens buy. How can anyone expect the US to remain first?

I don't want to hear "American't"

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@@gautumbuddhabuddha8234 West could have done something different since the end of 2019, but now it is too late.

As an armchair pilot, I'm extremely jealous of the men and women who get to fly any real aircraft😂

Then why join the army

@@bobmac6050 mistakes were made

1st 6th grn prototype already tested

@@pritiagarwal5599 proof? link?

@@ForYeshua1 proof: trust me bro

Already exists.

@@Stevonoles1 testing the aircraft commenced in feburary 2020. The airframe and propulsion are alive and well, as for links...well there are not any, im sure you expected that on such a project.

I'd just like to see us aquire 300. That's a solid number to have on such a good fighter.

@@Tikimohn no point. Once we have that number we would already be getting the 6th gen aircraft

But they won't. They've done studies to prove that to start their own program would be cost prohibitive without the help of American Areospace.

@@loganholmberg2295 You're mistaken because Japan has already announced the beginning of the Mitsubishi F-X, which is based on the YF-23 Black Widow. Still, modern upgrades make it a sixth-generation indigenous fighter to replace the F-2, which was based on the F-16.

it's not that the US can't build anymore F-22's, it that it just doesn't make sense. They are already developing the next generation fighter so why restart the F-22 production when something newer/better is being developed. As for the YF-23 being used for Japans new fighter they might be using the design as a basis but every single system would have to be upgraded, the F-23 first flew in 1990 - that's 31 years ago.

@@TheRealCartman1 Just because we have something newer in the works doesn't mean it will be better. The F-22 is a known quality with a known and unimpressive quantity. We should build more, so if the newer sixth-generation fighters don't pan out, we'll have F-22s to fall back on. Maybe we could update them like the Japanese are doing with the YF-23, so the F-22 could stay relevant for longer.

we build a sixth gen its better then the raptor look up the black program and we probably could the us isn't stupid they just tell countries we can do something that we can do

Except not one has ever been shot down. Not a single F22 has ever lost an engagement, much less has been shot down.

IIRC Lockheed-Martin preserved all of its' F-22 jigs and tooling putting them into secure storage. LM could put the F-22 back into production however it would take several years to reestablish the production line and train new workers, this would cost hundreds of billions of dollars.

@@nicholasmaude6906 if you call cutting up the fixtures by a bunch of hacks , I was there thru all of the aircraft , it’s being stored all right in pieces

Probably on orders from the pentagon. SOP.

@@talkingrock7011 Good Stewards of citizens money.

@@talkingrock7011 Good to know .

It never would've exceeded the F-35 in ground strike capability because there never were plans to integrate an EOTS equivalent. The F-22 was air superiority and always designed for it.

in all history. the greatest fighter ever created

And its cheaper than the f-35

@@benwatso Well when you total in the ridiculous development costs yes. 400-500 billion wasn't it? Yikes. Per unit the F-35 is little under half the price but tbh how many F-22's can you build for 400 billion? Yeah we'd be oversupplied on fifth-gen monsters for the next sixty years. Even if we cut out 200 billion from that number to represent the theoretical cost of rebuilding production lines for the F-22, still an ungodly amount of air power.

@@CountSpartula I think you could engineer modern cnc machine centers and robotic automation for production lines and manufacture at vastly improved capacity and capability.. if approached with any level of seriousness. Should setup Canada to produce them and supply a percentage of production to usa navy, who have none to protect their f35s, so they can replace their aging f16s with something that can standup to Russia and China a bit better and help joint operations with the usa's new gen fighters. If we can get Canada an aircraft carrier and get it tooled maybe we can get some nato commitments actually fulfilled. Move f35 to Canada after productionnlines established to finish supply obligations and the USA goes full out on production for the new generation.

It's designed for a mission that will never happen.

Ok but then they give Lockheed the F-35 program? That theory sounds suspicious.

@@loganholmberg2295 The F 35 was a joint program various countries put money into it so everybody could peek underneath the hood. The only thing the US kept from that was the off switch anybody gets smart ideas and they They hit the switch all plane becomes useless

@@loganholmberg2295 And China has a cheaply made copy of it to

@@Straightarrow213 Very obviously, the joint countries part came later, and would have been applied to the F-23 if that was the one chosen.

@@unfurling3129 I don’t understand .what do you mean??

Not really survivability would be everything. F22 beats every other fighter including f 35. Usa values f22 so much they dont let pilots use full capability during joint exercises with other countries thats how ahead it is

Yeah no. Cheap fighters would just get pilots killed.

Not really, without stealth capabilities cheaper fighters are too vulnerable to the many kinds of anti air weapons available, at least in a peer to peer context (like the aforementioned ww3). Keep in mind, over the horizon missile attacks have been a thing since at least the iran iraq war, and more stuff like that is largely the future of aerial warfare.

It cost $87.7 million per airframe for us to buy F-15EXs. A variant of an aircraft *_still in service and in production._* How much do you think an F-22, which was already expensive when we had production up and running, cost? Unless we were looking to buy about 500+ F-22s, restarting production of it would be just as costly and designing and manufacturing a new airframe. It would be *_THAT_* expensive. So expensive you might as well just take tax payer dollars and flush them down the toilet. Welcome to the United States military procurement process and defense contracting. Leave your sanity and reason at the door.

@UCpXlFb569l1Ckj8j7huwbOg Right, I agree. Which is why I mentioned that all money and attention should be given to NGAD at this point. My bigger point is that I think F-22 was still cancelled too early (2008) because, as you say, leaving our sanity and reason aside we don't make long-term defense building decisions by taking our enemy's capabilities into account.

Lots and lots of BS videos on yt nowadays, this is one

We have 3,300 fighter jets in just the Air Force alone and like 1,900 fighter jets in the Navy (doesn't include other planes like bombers). I believe the next nation is Russia with 1,900 total planes. Pretty sure we haven't lost air superiority and if a war broke out I'm sure we can pump out F-22 like M&M's!

@@chrisyanover1777 Right. But I don't think the issue is numbers, but quality. And the truth is that both China and Russia are producing aircraft with the quality to defeat our best. China is also producing at a higher rate than we are, at the moment. And, as this video and other comments have argued, we simply can't start pumping out F-22s. In the 21st century, you don't start pumping out anything, like we did in WW2, because the systems are too complex. And a war today with either major nation would be over in days, weeks at most---there is no time to build anything in wartime. Those times are long gone.

Murica!

Though the price of a 6th gen fighter will probably be more than what we've ever seen before

Incorrect. They stated they flew a prototype. It could have been 1/4 scale, lol. Certainly don't think it was much more than that considering they wouldn't have been able to conceal the funding for this long.

@@danielh1708 please don't comment. You're making yourself look foolish.

The UFO drones

At this point make more sense to just skip f22 for next generation.

What’s it being called

more wasted money, not needed

Not if the coating was properly applied , I used to install the coating

Not true at all. Regularly deployed to the Middle East. They just repair the coatings before they leave.

When i was on active duty the F16 and F15's were required to be maintained at 85% mission capability (mine was always above 90% each month). These days the standard is down to 70% even for the F16 and F15's because of piss poor leadership more worried about pandering to the LGBTQ community, ensuring everyone uses proper pronouns, and giving all airmen timeouts when they are having a bad day. Infrastructure has gone to shit because more money is spent on college-style dorms for new troops than for maintenance, supply systems have been backlogged beyond anything we ever saw, even when forward deployed which is treasonous at worst. Some of these new, supposedly maintenance-friendly aircraft are 50% or lower in mission-capable rates which is Fraud Waste and Abuse but as we all know when reported that the Air Force Inspector General system is a politically charged and inept institution that is incapable of conducting the mission it was charged with.

@@jamesw71 why should treating people with respect, compassion, and giving them a decent standard of living when they are protecting the country be a bad thing? you sound like a homophobic boomer. get with the times. you can run a tight ship and also treat people like humans..

@@elijahmartin5291 I served for 20 years...and nice homophobic language there...bet you aare a white supremacist racist too.

It's the most impractical and worst investment in military aviation history.

@@Oplix Maybe for the original developers, but now other countries can acquire it for a relatively low price tag which makes it a great purchase for them.

It's an ATM for the US government/LM pure cash. Canada funded some of the program (~$1 billion) and we aren't even buying any F-35s!

@@Oplix literally the opposite but ok

Aren’t F-35s essentially AWACS that can fight while coordinating complex air missions?

but the technology and blueprints still exist. if china can reverse engineer . then we can build.

the subcontractors would appear out of the woodwork, the designs already there, doesn't take that much to retool their facilities, not with todays computerized systems.

Follow the money. No doubt Lockheed Martin puts way more money into the pockets of America's politicians.

The F22 has a higher speed and range than the F35.

@@harveyweizman were not talking about the 35 😂

@@harveyweizman look up the 23

@@harveyweizman The production F-22 is a vastly different plane from the prototypes. The F-23 also would have gone through a major rework. The F-117 got a massive alteration from the "Have Blue" prototype with a fatter fuselage and less wing sweep so an internal weapons bay would fit.

That's why they've ordered new F-15's loaded with a whole bunch of ordnance mounting points to carry weaponry which the F-35 will remotely launch and direct to targets. So the F-35 will be an armed Forward Air Control while the F-15 will be flying artillery.

Always liked the YF23 design more. Apparently, Japan feels the same way!

I am not supporting the cheaper materials platform.

True

But…….accurate.

It is marketing at its finest. Trying to promote there own product over the competition.

@@larsjrgensen5975 but Accurate.

@@MarineScoutSniper What is the official classification of being a 5th gen fighter then?

@@larsjrgensen5975 Fourth generation fighters are widely considered to be fighters that are capable of sustaining supersonic speeds, utilize some variation in fly-by-wire technology, improved avionics and limited, if any, stealth capabilities. Fourth generation aircraft were designed without stealth in mind, but some have had their radar signatures slightly reduced using things like radar absorbent coatings. Fifth-generation aircraft are supposed to be highly maneuverable, but of course, that’s a subjective qualification - the F-35 is considered the stealthiest fighter on the planet, but it would easily be outmaneuvered by a long list of fourth generation fighters. Other elements that are often touted as fifth-generation specific include advanced avionic systems, multirole capabilities, and the ability to “supercruise,” or fly at supersonic speeds without having to engage afterburners. However, both China and Russia’s fifth-generation aircraft don’t seem to have that capability currently. Thus we refer to them as 4th+ Generation. Perhaps the most important element of the fifth-generation fighter beyond stealth, then, is likely their ability to serve as a networking hub for other air and land assets. The F-35, for instance, is widely seen as among the most advanced data fusion platforms in combat today, offering the capability to communicate with and even control a wide variety of sensors, drones, and other assets on the battlefield. Interconnectivity is integral on the battlefield of the future, and fifth-generation fighters are expected to serve that strategic master in some capacity. So in Summation. Fifth Generation AIRCRAFT are the next step in the evolution of Air Superiority Fighters. It’s one of the reasons it’s been 30 years since the first fifth generation aircraft was introduced and why it will more than likely be a few more years before a sixth generation will be unveiled. (Although I believe it’s already been built and ready to fly sorties or has already flown sorties with no signs it was there).

One of the explanations I've heard is that the technology has advanced to the point that using most of the equipment originally outfitted in the F-22 wouldn't be viable, and thus would need to be completely upgraded, as you'd want to build it for both the threats of today as well as the threats of the future. Differences in the weight and size of different systems would throw off the overall balance of the aircraft, and by the time you redesign around that, you're looking at almost a whole new aircraft. I personally think that would've been preferable to the bloated F-35 program. Then again, the F-22 was never an export aircraft, while the F-35 was intended to be from the outset.

@@mikedejesus7064 you can upgrade a f-18 with new technology as they have done and shown that for the cost it is very competitive in most roles besides the stealth role We need s to be working on our new fighter if they have 5th gens we have 6gens and with how long it takes to develop a new bird and the cost involved You need to make sure funds are available for the new plane We got a few that should hold us for now while we build the new generation

@@mikedejesus7064 also, most of the electronics and other tech was developed over 30 years ago so its basically obsolete and it would take billions just to modify the designs and several billion more just to get production started again. on top of that, congress prolly wont allow this plane to ever be exported so the US will have to bear all this cost alone imo

Aren't allot of the molds and such for the F-22 destroyed or lost as well? Avionics and electronics can be updated. Just look at what has been done on the F-15 and the latest block of super hornets or heck what Saab has done with the Gripen. I think the biggest problem is that the production lines have been closed and allot of data and expensive molds has been lost or destroyed.

S-400 killed F-22 program lol

The F-22 was never banned from export.

@@danielh1708 what? I'm pretty sure Congress banned the sale when Turkey started to be an asshole

Most of what you say is true, but once you let the genie out of the bottle you have no idea where it may go. The choice to keep F22 out of everyone’s hands was a wise decision. It delayed Russia and China from getting advantage of reverse engineering technology which would have been more madness. Next, the Y-23 was a better aircraft, but as usual Congress people have their fingers into pots they shouldn’t and they wanted to make money at the expense of their country. Even today Congress members are voting and pressuring for things that they should not be allowed to be connected to, part of corruption in politics.

Lol Australia!😆 literally they are way down the pecking order as ‘best allies’!

The F-22 was never banned from export.

@@danielh1708 half true. an export version, read that as f-22 'lite' could have theoretically been produced, but the original was a no go.

@@danielh1708 According to a number of government publications and videos have stated the F-22 is restricted 🚫, even from Allie’s.

Everything should be cancelled so just the king of the skies F15 can be built.

Yep exactly

Add that with the fact Democrats would rather watch us all burn.

Without supporting facts, I thought I read many years ago part of the F-22's high cost related to the development costs of its new radar system. When the "per unit" price was tacked onto each F22, it caused the F22's price to skyrocket. The new radar technology was used and further advanced for the F35, but all the initial/developmental costs were absorbed in the F22 program. This made the F35 cheaper. Again, not supported by facts, but my memory...

@@TonkaTruckF350 no offense, but that's only partially true. lockheed advertised to the goverment/DoD that there would be an 85% part swap-ability between both jets as a selling point for the F-35... this never happened. Only a handful of aircraft systems were even remotely relatable... so, no the F-22 did not shoulder the development cost of the F-35 beyond the radar absorbing paint, the F-35 is it's own animal. additionally, when DoD goes looking for a new toy, the manufacturer gives them the "A" model (also named the "-1"), then... just like a car salesman, the manufacturer shows the buyer all the upgraded features available... the buyer then bites onto this after the contract is signed causing an additional cost to the "item/program".