Airgun Academy Episode 41 - Coil Steel Spring vs Gas Spring 

To the guy that tried to bash Gaylord by calling him"the old guy" and he sold out, you're way out of line. He has provided tons of info to the new shooters for free so his opinions aren't based on the industry they are his opinion and you had your own. How can anyone listen to you when half of your post was about the old guy not the guns. Believe it or not if you're lucky you to will become the old guy. Nice video and thanks for posting is what you should say and then give your opinion and we'll decide.

Thanks for clear concise pertinent information. Terrific information with no extra garbage. One of the best information videos I have ever watched. Keep up the great work!!

This guy is my favourite...

I really love this channel and especially this series. Cheers from Brazil!!!

Great informative video Tom. I'm an old jarhead but a newbie to the world of airguns.You have been my mentor for the first six monts and ten guns from PA. Looking forward to more.

Great video, Tom. I still have a copy of your book The R1 Super Magnum Air Rifle. In that book you wrote about various tunes and I remember how impressed you were with the Venom tune kit supplied by Ivan Hancock. Well I'm from the UK and can honestly say that the old Venom tuned air rifles are special and can easily go head-to-head with anything, including a gas spring. Theoben used to make rifles that used a gas spring and I found them a little harsh. Give me a well tuned spring rifle any day!

Thank you for the explanation. I'm interested in the sport and researching makes, model, power plants, etc. The more I read, the more I get confused. Your videos will clear things up. Thanks again.

I have a Gamo air rifle with a gas spring and haven't noticed any of the negatives described in this video. I like the smooth cocking action. Glad to learn it can stay cocked for an extended amount of time.

Love your obvious enthusiasm for airguns and promoting them. Great video as I have just ordered my first break-barrel airgun. Didn't know what the heck I was doing but ordered anyway, your video makes me feel good about my purchase as you didn't say anything bad about either. I ordered a gas piston gun.

Great video, thanks for showing. You finally gave me great information I’ve always thought about. I am already a subscriber and Pyramyd purchaser.

Love my tuned 1983 Hw77 Mk2 still to this day as the original owner. Have not shot a gas spring as of yet but perhaps at the Pyramyd Cup in Sept I will get a chance and hopefully a handshake with you Tom.

Dear Senior. Awesome clear explanation. Thank you ❤️

Excellent! Always wondered how those worked and looked.

Great video, clear and well explained. Was hesitating between a spring and a gaz version of a gun, now I know what to chose. Thanks a lot.

*The gas piston does shoot smoother but I have had several gas pistons develop leaks, which never happens with a spring which is why the Spring Gun will NEVER DIE HAHA!!!* *Just add a thin coat of Spring Tar and you're good to go.* *We love ya Gaylord!.*

Excellent vid, very informative. Subscribed.

Always liked Tom he was a pioneer in his day with the 80s Airgun Digest a must read and airgun World,

Thanks brethren you been in the game for many many years Dan thanks for info

Very informative video, never new about gas struts in a pellet rifle. I'm an old guy recently retired and taking up air rifles as a hobby I still learn new things everyday...never say never.

Sir, glad to have a Mentor like You... Regards from INDIA🇮🇳

Now, that's information!! Wish I'd have found this video before I heard all the big talkers that say basically, nothing.

Great natural commentary, great job!

Great video as always....thanks Mister

That was one of the best explanations ever

Thank you for the info, Tom!

excellent information, finally I'll decide which air rifle buy after this

Now that was very helpful information thank you for clarifying a lot of questions I had

thank for the great and clear explanation. Great video

I've fired both and will take any, both are fantastic.

Just bought my Browning X Blade 2, gas piston 5.5 and I am very happy. Shooting mostly without a scope on 25 meters and manage to make some decent groups 5x5 sm from stand up position. A bit of disappointment with this model is the plastic mechanic aiming set. I manage to broke mine and needed to self-prepare. Pellet used: H&N Slug pellet 28 gr, they have kind of cool shape just like a bullet shape and are pretty heavy, 1.62 grams each.

My springer Ruger Impact is at 16-17 FPE. My gas piston NP2 is at 21-22 FPE. Two different rifles,,, for me it`s comparing apples to oranges. One thing I do know, I love apples and oranges, they are both good eating. So I`m happy to have both. I think they both meet THERE OWN engineering requirements fairly well IMO.

Nice video sir. With lots of idea.

Tom thank you for this informative video; I have gained a wealth of knowledge by reading your blogs from PA. This may be off topic but last year I read your blog on the Diana 340 N-Tec and wanted to know if you would give your current assessment of the N-Tec gas spring now that it has been out for a year. I had purchased a Diana 340 N-Tec Premium in 2015 to use around my farm on nuisance pests when they first came into the USA but within the first few shots it developed a really loud grinding noise when cocking that progressively got worse. I am a Diana fan and want an N-Tec gas spring powered rifle for all the advantages of a gas spring you pointed out in your video but am still hesitant, wondering if Diana has worked out the kinks that I experienced and as are reflected from several other owners when they first arrived. Any input you would offer is greatly appreciated. Sincerely, RP, MS USA.

I know my post is old but so am I. Thanks for teaching me something today.

Nice simple explanation. Thank you

Very good info, very good presentation --

Many thanks, for interesting presentation

great tom.! you are a master!!

Thanks, informative as ever. Think I will go down the gas spring route.

THX for clearing some things up

Everything we needed to know but were afraid to ask. 😛 Thumb up.

Excellent explanation…..thanks.

My first air gun was a spring load,and it was pretty loud,but awesome!!.Now ,i have just learnt,there is something better...This is just to awesome!.I mean the "gas piston"

The vibrations of coiled springs are unpleasant, but they don't affect accuracy. The reason is those vibrations set in "after" the pellet has left the barrel.

Appreciate your knowledge sir

Hey Tom, Thanks for this great video on the differences between spring coils and gas coils. I have a few older metal spring coil models of Gamo airguns that do not have magnum rated coils. I would like to replace all of the coils with Magnum rated gas springs or spring coils. Where can I purchase these gas springs or spring coils and is there anything else that I should know before attempting to change these mechanisms, like do I need any other tools? Thanks again. Stay Safe, Be Well, God Bless.

The "godfather of airguns" went right along with manufacturer claims on this one. I believe he has figured it out at this point. Gas pistons are for newbies. Metal coil springs are for serious shooters. Gas pistons are for those who think speed is everything. Metal coil springs are for those who know precision is king.

Fantastic content 👌 👏 👍

As much as I appreciate technology evolving, I rank the gas piston right up there with plastic front sights-just another manufacturer's method of increasing the profit margin while cheapening the final product-John in Texas

Nice explaining

Great vid

I think the old guy has a few thing backwards . In the same gun model a gas ram can be over 50 fps slower than the spring and in colder weather the gas ram can be over 60 fps slower and you lose over 2 FPE . Watch this video on a spring vs a gas ram in the same gun model in a cold weather test . Look at the numbers . The spring is the best way to go . What the old man in the video doesn't tell you is that springs can last over 30 years with no lose in fps . The gas ram is like whats on your car hood or hatch back the one that keep falling down and hitting you in the head . And never stays up during the winter months because gas has less compression when its cold . The gas finds its way out of the o-rings that is holding the gas in . If you have a car you have to keep a stick in to keep the hood up you know what I mean . So the gas rams are unproven as far as how long the o-rings are going to hold the gas in . Another thing the old guy forgot to tell you is the cost difference a spring is around 15 dollars and a gas ram like the vortex is around 100 dollars and over 50 dollars for the cheaper nitro piston gas rams you find in the Gamo , Crosman and Benjamin guns that produce even less power . So if you want to be a guinea pig on how long the gas rams will last before you start losing power and you want less power in warmer weather and a lot less in colder weather then get the gas ram . If you want 30 years of constant power , faster fps that gives you more killing power or FPE and low cost when it finely does need replacing then get the spring . I have had my RWS model 45 for over 30 years , same spring and it still shoots the same fps it did when it was new and I shoot every day , Or you want the most power you can get to take down bigger game like turkey or coyotes that need the extra FPE then get the spring . Most gun makers like the Hatsan you see in the video have a built in vibration system that makes it so you can't tell the difference between the two and most people have to ask which one they are shooting gas or spring because you don't feel the recoil like you do in the cheaper guns like the Gama , Crosman and Benjamin that don't have the vibration systems in them . There is a reason the air gun company's that sell air guns want to make it sound like a spring gun is not as good as a gas ram , can you guess why that is ? That's right . They are going to make more money off you because they know the gas ram is going to stop working faster than the spring ,so your going to have to pay for the gas ram if you do it your self or your going to have to buy a new gun from them in the not so distance future . So don't fall for his story about how the springs are slower because that is a lie and its easy to prove with a little comparing of the specs . The piston does the same thing as the gas ram does so all that movement is the same . The gas ram is more sensitive to weather and its harder to cock with less feet per second speed . Some one ask him why the best selling field target gun , the tx 200 that has won more matches and is used by all most all non pcp field target shooters have a spring inside instead of a gas ram . So when he said( its just not a pleasant thing ) don't believe him . Field target shooters have to put a pellet through a 25mm hole at 40 yards and they do it with a spring gun not a gas ram . No field target shooter except for the beginner use a gas ram . because they are just not as accurate . That should tell you something right there which one to get . ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IOo6Og6WIFM.html . It really saddens me to see how money has made him talk this way about the spring ,because I know he knows the spring is the better way to go but pressure from the owners that want more of your money has made him say what he did in the video .

Sir, your video is very infoative, thank you for this video. I had a question, is IGT and Nitro Piston power plant the same stuff?

So Springer's are basically a super overpowered nerf blaster.. I love it! 🤣

Thank you very much.

Great info thanks

This info is golden! :D

I had my springer cocked for years and it still works

Thank you Sir!

Completely satisfied.

Thank you Sir.

👍 thanks for sharing

Thanks a lot I think piston is the best

Need to correct you there @01:47. The recoil is the "rearward/backward' action of the gun due to instantaneous "stopping" of the piston.

NICE VIDEO 👍WHO iS THE BEST AIRRIFLE SPRING PISTON OR GAS NITRO PISTON

This may be kind of a dumb question but do you run out of compressed gas in the gas spring pistons or do i not have to worry about that?

I recently tried a gas piston rifle. The muzzle sound was acceptable but the 'piston slap' near my ear was very loud. Other than an expensive PCP ...what do you suggest? Thank you sir!

I’m going to buy my first air rifle for target shooting, and I came across the Gamo IGT system. what I want to know is if this system is better the a coiled spring? What I’m looking for is a durable gun with consistent power, in the Gamo website they say the IGT provides consistent power and more accuracy but since I don’t believe what companies say about their products I would like to know what are your opinions.

Very Informative :)

God bless u Tom, AsSalaamuAlaykum

What do you mean by tune and why would someone what to do that? I'm guessing a replacement coil spring is like less than $10.00 and a replacement strut is basically the price of a new rifle.

Okay so im planing on buying hatsan 125 sniper but dont know should i get spring or vortex gas piston. I need it for constant power, accuracy and probably for staying cocked for longer periods of time cjse of hunting in field

I wanna see air rifle thats a break barrel 30 caliber or so with beefier setup that incorporates the function of a crowbar/prybar to use leverage/mechanical advantage so a larger spring coil could be compressed ..the idea would be a break barrel springer thats heavy but maybe able to compete with pcp tank guns

Thanls uncle love u

I think gasspring piston is better But I need velocity I need muzzle power & more energy So, it's gasspring or metalspring i don't mind...

Good to know

I'm very confused now, thinking to get my 1st gas piston rifle, I e-mailed the PA company asking about Cocking effort from spring vs gas piston and same as this video they said gas piston it takes more effort ti cock it than springer..... but some people say the opposite, and I found a page from AGD, in a part of a article the claim as a Pro for gas pistonb to be easier to cock, so weird that is same company that told me gas piston it's harder to cock it... sorry for too long story, Please Help b4 buying my rifle...

How can i check that my .22 cal. Break barrel airgun spring fps and how can i set no. of coils of spring i need in my springer air rifle ?

Air is less moving parts. There for its better! lmao idk what kind of gas your using? but i use air he hee buggy springs> or air shocks? which is better? AIR SHOCK

Which inert gas is (typically) contained withing the gas spring ?

what about gas spring maintenance does they need some lubrication or cleaning or anything else?

Here's our needs: No “slide-blow-back”; both semi + full auto; pistol or rifles=without stock/butt; detachable sights; picatinny for red dot laser; .22 caliber or larger with heavy grain pellets or BBs; for power not speed with easy loading, with no extra magazines and easy “field stripping”. Threaded barrel for real good suppressor is a must! We already have the “Steel Storm” on order. Looks and replicas mean nothing. It’s “hard-core” basics please. No pressure! If you or any of your channel readers can help, that would be great! T.I.A. Do they make a Nitro Piston Air Pistol or Rifle fully automatic? At 83, seven Vietnam Veteran We know NOTHING about air guns. HELP! We can use an empty 3 car garage as an indoor range. Training for inside self-defense between 7 to 21 yards, stationary and moving.

this guy is cool

WHAT N RATING IS NEEDED TO PROPEL A PELLET AT A 1000 FPS ? ex. 100N,120N, OR 150N ?

Gas spring is replaceable or it can be use permanently??

Why does a spring-piston make a buzzing noise on some air rifles?

what is the best and powerfull aigun spring .22 in the would .

Is it possible to increase the power of a gas spring?

Which pellet is compatible for my powerline 1101sairgun

Theoben gas ram system is different than this gas spring and much easier to fix!

I have a .177 caliber steela 522 made in Czechoslovakia 1897 airgun model 27. I want it's piston n spring .pl suggest

WHICH SPRING SYSTEM IS MORE DURABLE GAS SPRING OR THE STEEL SPRING ?

I'm a firm believer of the k.i.s.s. system, for me is not a hard choice. The almighty springer is the way to go.

Cheapest gas ram: thunk Springer: doink!!! Expensive/Tuned springer: thunk

Is it possible to change my coil spring in my air rifle for a gas spring?

vs shortened piston , more air volume using less mainspring .

yea right if you leave it cooked it wears out fast once it starts leaking your done, expensive repair, vr just replace an 5 bucks spring,,,

can I season a new 25 caliber Barrel with lead-free pellets

which one has more longevity, or, which one is more likley to fail on average?

Spring airgun is accurate than gas ram airgun ?