@@atiminthailand4531 Its a youtube reaction culture thing, when lazy parasites pretend to react to things the algorithm has indicated might be lucrative and don't research or attempt to fathom any kind of deeper meaning. Its good work if you can get it.
American here, I was 16 when I went to see them in 2016 at Madison Square Garden, never been higher in my entire life, never saw the world the same again. Oasis was awesome, but The Stone Roses gave me the world man.
I think it’s objectively based on Ian. Everyone knows his live voice was iffy at best and some shows he could hit the notes while others he was all over the place. That was their one inconsistency when playing live.
I'm gonna be that guy and say .."You had to be there" when this album hit the airwaves in '89. I was living in Liverpool at the time the Roses toured and people were calling them the next Beatles. They were different and consider just how much influence the this album's had on Indie music and particularly the "Britpop" scene in the 90s that followed. It's no longer earth-shattering, but it's a landmark.
I to was living in tuebrook Liverpool and this album was a breath of fresh air saw them at the Isle of Wight festival they did this track with a 15 minute guitar solo with the tightest rythem I've heard absolutely awesome Ian brown has a distinct voice
I’m gonna be that girl that agrees with you 100%. @sam b the past is a historic web: strands of music, historical events, culture, politics, fashion and ways of perceiving the world come together. this can never be completely re-created or truly understood by people who “weren’t there” regardless of how well it is interpreted. even the people who *created* the music can’t recapture vibe of a time that now only exists in a generation’s collective memory. 🍋🍋🍋
I'm only 3 years late to the party, but I don't agree. I only discovered it less than 10 years ago. Maybe it's because this was the first album I listened to whilst tripping, but it's in my top 10 albums of all time. And I really don't like Oasis or nearly any other Britpop band - it just has something very special about it
Don't stop is waterfall played backwards, even the lyrics come exactly that way... What blew my mind is that they actually play it live... So amazing!! Must hear.
How can you seem so bored during this perfection. It’s the roses man. How can you listen to the likes of I am the resurrection and made of stone and not be mind blown. Wish I could listen to these tunes for the first time again. The album cover is art just as much as the tunes
Fun fact--the album art is a painting from the band's guitar player, John Squire. The lemons are a reference to the student riots in France in the late 60s.
Yeah, the lemons the students used to used to counteract tear gas methinks? I've always liked Squires art..obviously VERY 'pollocky' 😂 still like it though. The music speaks for itself imo..timeless.
You should check out the movie 24 Hour Party People. It gives a good and hilarious insight into the development of the Madchester scene. It starts with Joy Division and stars Steve Coogan.
Fool's gold was a single that came after the first album... It is a dance song for the rave parties they did... It was not your average rock band. Glad you liked it. It will grow on you, it's easy to listen and you will find more and more about each song. This band is huge in the UK. The lyrics have some political meaning, anti-royalty and very much feel good. I personally find their music very up lifting, like an elevator for your self-esteem (specially if you sing along lol). Listen to waterfall studio rehearsal, it is amazing. The stone roses is not easy to listen to,, it's too complex and rich musically. I'm honestly surprised you liked it on your first time. It is kind of an acquired taste. Once it grabs you, it becomes everything: a world in one album.. So different.
Can I educate you on nuance. The lemons are there because it was defiant reaction to tear gas that was put upon the people of Paris. The lemons stops their eyes from burning. Wake up American. Revolt
love spreads from the second coming is fantastic imo Edit: I've taken to liking driving South from the second coming, not much vocals from brown, pretty much squire just giving it his all. Bloody brilliant!
When Mani was playing with Primal Scream, I heard the best description of his bass ever "Like Godzilla having an asthma attack", and Reni, well he's just Reni, and wow we were so lucky those two found each other
Oasis never wrote anything that could touch this album. WTSMG is the only decent album they made and it's held together by about 4 songs and listenable filler songs.
The french flag is homage to the student riots in France, the lemons are symbolic as the rioters used that to counter the effect of teargas. Ian Brown was a bit of an anarchist back in the day and travelled around Europe a lot when he was young, with a lemon in his backpack. Just in case I guess. The artwork I think is the guitarist John Squire.
It’s cool that people are still listening to this album. I used to listen to the cassette in the car and when I am the Resurrection finishes and I wanna be adored starts up was my favourite bit. The band were very badly managed and the second album took far to long to be released. Liam started Oasis because he was bored waiting for The Stone Roses to release more material. I think even though you are critical of four songs in the middle they do bring something to the album and it wouldn’t be the same with out them it’s like gear changes. I like the description of The Stone Roses as a Genesis I often try to tell people who know Oasis and other bands about The Stone Roses but struggle to explain it so eloquently. Finally I think there comeback single Beautiful Thing is criminally underrated.
You're really starting to get it! Shoegaze is the UK, by the way - started in London as 'the scene that celebrates itself'... You need to do Lush's debut, and My Bloody Valentine to really explore... PS I'm an American living in the UK - and when all this happened (Smiths, shoegaze, Madchester, Britpop - OMG you have to hear Suede ((Smiths-disciples)) ) I was in high school and college - now looking back it still reigns as the best music of my lifetime.
The Stone Roses influenced Oasis a lot, with both having similar backgrounds in Manchester. Fool's Gold is considered to be their breakthrough hit. Have you listened to Curve? When they came out in the early '90s, they created a whole new genre, mixing shoegaze, goth punk and industrial. The singer Toni Halliday is married to pioneering engineer Alan Moulder. Of course, producer Butch Vig heard Curve, got a Scottish singer and formed Garbage, which is like a photocopy, poppier version of Curve. I recommend listening to their debut album Doppelgänger. Groundbreaking.
Please do Manics - Holy Bible, they are like Nirvana(X2) but so underrated in 1994 since it's british and as we know every british album in 90's was very underrated
The Holy Bible is one of the best albums of all time, It's so sad about Richey Edwards. The context of the albums release is probably important if they're gonna do a reaction however.
The Smiths and Roses came out of a time, right before Nirvana and alternative. the 80's were Michael Jackson top 40, hip hop and hair metal, Guns and Roses. You also had college radio of U2, REM, The Cure, The Church from Australia, and then, The Stone Roses were the zeitgeist of 1989, the window before britpop. should give Starfish by The Church a listen
Fool's Gold was what kicked off the whole Madchester scene, as dance music by Indie rock bands. There's nothing of an afterthought or an extra track about it. It was Fool's Gold that first hooked most people into the band and the sound. You heard that and you had to dance, and you also knew you had to get to Manchester and get into The Hacienda club, and wear the baggy clothes and dive into all the other bands in the scene too.
From the jam in I Am the Resurrection you got 'Suddenly we're in Pavement's Crooked Rain Crooked Rain"? I gotta say you're either very off with that or I'm missing something completely.
Would recommend 'the very best of the stone roses' it's a compilation that plays like this album, but with some of the lesser tracks being replaced by their other work. They released 2 albums but have a bunch of non album releases. They broke up for like 20 years but then released 2 singles in 2016, still waiting for that 3rd album tho :/
Yeah you’re bang on about things growing on you. Stone Roses just sounded like noise to me first time I listened. Now it’s my favourite band/songs/albums of all time by a country mile
Elephant Stone wasn't on the original S/T album and also I guess that is the song produced by Peter Hook as there are some obvious New Order-esque sounds coming from it.
88-92 indie dance coincided with greed is good destroying lives , hopelessness for the working class, the death of many industries , people breaking into the warehouses that they used to be able to find work in and dancing all night instead - and oh yes , X ecstasy ! reaching the people - you HAD to be there to realise the positivity this gave people in difficult times !
Another great reaction, thanks. Stone Roses...Loved them, but they never impacted me the way Joy Division and The Smiths did. Guess I'd grown out of my boy room by then. For me it's very intresting to get a musicians take on these bands. Not being musically schooled, I always focused on lyrics and simply the feeling of the song back then. And it's brilliant that someone still can listen to an entire album. I have a few recommendations. When The Smiths appeared, the charts were still in the hands of Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet and worse. On the other hand, Springsteen, Jackson and all of the rest of the american scene. In those years, perhaps -83 to -85, I discovered a few bands that did their own thing. Lloyd Cole and the Commotions "Rattlesnakes", The Colour Field "Virgins and Philistines" and Aztec Camera "High Land, Hard Rain" and "Knife". Would love to see you dig in to those. Thanks again for you beautiful work.
Haha.. watched a few of your vids and said to self “ he should review the Roses”. Curious to see u do the second album as well as the b sides. Personally, I loved Second Coming! Maybe even more than the debut. The second album has a blues zeppelin influences..
Dont stop is waterfall reversed, including the lyrics, which is why it doesn't really seem to make sense, they've done it with their tracks at least 8 times that I know of
Elizabeth My Dear should have been a hidden last track as a counterpoint to Her Majesty on Abbey Road; I don't know why they didn't do that. It's about the (now dead) Queen and their ant-monarchy views - the added silenced gunshot at the end. (I would say republican, but that has a different meaning over the pond). The lemons on the cover represent a French revolutionary Ian Brwon met on his travels; lemons apparently work against tear gas. That's what Bye Bye Badman is about ("the citrus-sucking sunshine")
My personal favorite album of all time. I first got the US release cassette the week it came out and yes, Elephant Stone was track three, but it’s the original Elephant Stone. The version you listened to was the updated remix version that I find much less fitting with the tone and production of the debuts album sessions with Leckie. If you ever circle back to these guys, please find the original elephant Stone and hear it for yourself. It doesn’t have that opening drum intro, but it sounds like a natural fit after She Bangs the Drums. The album also ends as it should with I am the Resurrection. It’s the perfect finale track. Fool’s Gold doesn’t fit the album. It sounds like a great single after the album had had its moment and is an appetizer until the next album. Some of their B-sides are quite lovely as well. Mersey Paradise is the killer cut. One Love. Going Down. Where Angels play. The Hardest Thing in the World. Standing Here. All these tracks I find better than the all over the place coke fueled Squire cum Jimmy Paige second album. It’s got no thread, just patchy songs without any sort of sequencing. I love the Roses but only a few tracks on Second Coming resonate with me. Loved Spreads and Your Star will Shine.
I enjoyed your reaction/analysis of this album. I was stationed in the UK from 90-92 and I had never heard of this band until then and they were brought to my attention because this album supposedly was highly influential for several popular Shoegazer bands at that time. In particular the bands Ride and Catherine Wheel. Ride's album "Nowhere(1990)" and Catherine Wheel's "Chrome(1993)" are their best works in my opinion.
The reverse song ( don’t stop ) lyric “you’re an imbecile” relates to the music being reversed and jo public is non the wiser and eats it up like new music, genius
I wish you'd follow up with a live performance when reviewing. It's one thing hearing a studio recording but bands giving a live performance can help give context to the album. You should watch them live at Heaton Park, Fools gold is phenomenal.
@Stephen Greenhorn I love the album but I'd still say there were a few weak songs. Waterfall is absolutely not one of them though. Don't Stop, Elizabeth My Dear, This Is The One, and I Am The Resurrection are clearly a cut below the other tracks.
It's weird that you said it felt angsty. I always thought it felt apathetic and I liked that about it. He's seemingly singing about disliked exes, deposing the queen and needing to be liked, but the delivery makes it feel a bit uncarring and distant. I loved this album as a Uni student, precisely because I felt so apathetic and lost at the time. It captures that feeling that neither angsty rock or soppy love songs could for me.
These guys were set to be the new Beatles... and blew it. This album is still incredible though. FYI Fool's Gold was released as a non-album single. But then the long mix blew up on the rave scene and so they added it to the album. It's weird that all these seminal UK indie bands - The Smiths, Joy Division, Happy Mondays, Stone Roses - all came out of Manchester. If you're interested in this time you should watch the film 24 Hour Party People, which is a great movie about Factory Records, the label that gave birth to the "Madchester" sound.
09:47 Tame Impala dragged into a The Stone Roses themed video It's a YES from me! Both bands are my favourites 13:09 Wild Nothing... another all-time favourite band of mine.
Imagine being english and hearing the album in 1989. You don't understand the impact. Thank you for listening The songs are European and mean alot to us. I'm afraid you wouldn't understand. Sometimes England makes music for itself
I remember buying elephant stone as a kid in Manchester, then the album came out and they went national. Sold Elephant Stone for £15, thought I was rich. Heh heh.
@@sammo2560 Bummed is their purest record from the Mondays. It's produced to feel like being one of their concerts. Whereas Pills n Thrills is a way to invite a passerby to check out their music.
There are few moments in music better than when you first hear Ian brown sing "I am the resurrection and I am alive.." *Apologies for the 3 comments within 10 minutes on a 3 year old video🤦♂🤦♂
I love the Stone Rose's,i don't think they're impressive live but great band. Growing up in 80's Manchester was an incredible time. For me the best ever decade for music. Saw James and Happy Mondays at Gmex,all these years later and they still sound great. Growing up learning to play 🎸 in the midst of the 1980s was awesome and Manchester lead the way in music,fashion and football. But yeah stirs quite a few memories.
The tracks you liked best are exactly the ones I always liked and the ones you thought were the weaker ones I totally agree as well. Made of stone and adored are the stand out tracks IMI
I'm enjoying your shows, but don't stray too far into britpop. It's a dead end. Take a detour into avant-pop with Stereolab. I recommend starting with Mar Audiac Quintet and if you like it, moving on to Dots and Loops and Emperor Tomato Ketchup. These were ground breaking albums by one of the most influential, yet still obscure bands of the 90s. They also demonstrate a remarkable progression over a 4-year period (1994-1997).
Elephant Stone and Fools Gold wasn’t on the original U.K. album - singles released after the album and added to the US release. It’s definitely one of those ‘you had to be there’ scenes in 1989, as most of the music was manufactured dross and lacked cool guitar bands.
Just discovered your channel - I love what I hear so far! This is one of my favorite albums, and wanted to mention two things: I have the US release (the original Cassette and CD) and the version of Elephant Stone you are playing here isn't the same one that is on the album I have. I don't like it nearly as much as the version that is on the original release - I do an album club with some friends on a weekly basis and we covered this album recently. And the same thing happened - someone played the remix version of Elephant Stone that you played here and it's not quite as good. It really does sound like a different song. Also, the version I have ends at I Am The Resurrection. As much as I like Fools Gold, it was single released after the album was completed and they tacked it on to the end of the US version for later pressings. I don't like it at the end - IATR is a much better album closer. Anyway, just wanted to let you know you have a new subscriber and I'm looking forward to watching more videos on here. Have you done any Replacements yet? If not, I would highly recommend. Completely different from The Smiths and Stone Roses (they're from Minneapolis) but they are my favorite American band. Check them out (especially Tim, Let It Be and Pleased to Meet Me).
The single was produced by New Order bassist Peter Hook in his own studio. It was initially scheduled for release on Rough Trade Records and remixed by John Leckie following a deal with Silvertone Records.
In the UK the Stone Roses weren’t niche, they were a big deal in 89, kind of The next generations Sex Pistols in that they were incredibly influential on an army of wannabe bands in their wake, some of which (The Clash and Oasis) became huge in the USA. As for don’t stop, it is Waterfall backwards but they actually played it live, there are a few RU-vid videos of them doing so.
The album is one of Jackson Pollocks paintings, and there’s a very good reason why the French flag 🇫🇷 and the lemons 🍋 are in there, I’ll let you figure that out for yourself...
Dude, with all your music theory, you are missing the basis, they are stone roses, they look beautiful and poppie, but the lyrics are hard. Elizabeth My Dear, is about killing Queen Elizabeth.
It's pretty funny when you see someone expecting to be absolutely blown away by every song instead of listening to an album as a whole. Yes, the album doesn't necessarily hold up well 30+ years down the line, but in 1988 this was the shit. Also, listening to the extra US tracks breaks the flow of the album. You should have listened to the extra tracks last because chronologically that's where they belong. It's a typical US record company tactic - destroy an album's flow to try to add some kind of excitement or sparkle - such total bullshit.
Right but over here in the states, it was thrown on the album as the final track. Plus we had Elephant Stone as the third song, the 7" Leckie Mix. When he played the 12" mix I realized I had never heard it before, in all the 30 plus years I have listened to them.
