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A gun being so dirty that ammo can't be inserted implies that the gun had been heavily used, leaving a huge amount of residue, and not properly cleaned afterwards. Which sort of seems to confirm the email about the gun being used elsewhere too, but by someone who doesn't know or care about basic gun care.
Things that funny to me us that Alec thinks they'll be able to finish the movie.. Where's the money coming from? Who would go back to work after being sued? Who would start work on this set??? I wonder if that deal with the widower will hold up...
@@markgado8782 The problem is that "people signed a contract" ... and thus might be pressured into doing things. Alec IS part of "the Hollywood acceptable people" and thus not going to work might leave a black mark and fewer employment opportunities.
The more I hear about this case, the sadder it makes me feel. I can't imagine how her family feels. If it weren't for the negligence, she would be alive. Her death was totally avoidable.
I've played a police officer in several films and have done a few westerns. The way that Baldwin describes it is exactly the protocol that is on all sets that I have been on. I have never worked with an armorer who acted irresponsibly like this. They are always really strict about every single detail of how the guns are checked, how they are received, and how they are returned.
Years ago I was looking for a therapist for my son, who was about five at the time. We went for an intake appointment at a behavioral office recommended to us. This office looked like the pictures, bins and boxes and just crap everywhere. We left and never went back. Lack of professionalism and a dirty workspace says a lot.
I agree...everyone is piling on Baldwin but my experience on sets, people are given specific jobs to do and it's understood that they will do them. Should he have checked? Ideally, sure. But it wasn't his job or his expertise. This is what people are being paid to oversee and there was a chain of custody that failed. I get it, Baldwin doesn't do himself any favors but no one blames the patient when the doctor leaves the scalpel in their abdomen. Did he know his lines? Was he on time? Did he give 65% of his salary back to the production so it could thrive? Yes. I'm not a shill for Baldwin but I am an actor and I have to admit, I have often wondered how may of us could have ended up in this situation due to a faulty chain of custody? It's frightening to think. But I can't honestly say it couldn't have happened to me. God forbid. Seriously, God please forbid.
@@whatcrimeisit1823 Just a thought maybe actors and everyone on a set should handle guns like everyone else should., I don't think the profession should be any excuse whatsoever.
@@whatcrimeisit1823 if you're going to handle a gun, you are responsible for gun safety. It doesn't matter how many other things you are responsible for. When you operate a gun, gun safety has to come before your lines and your make-up. There just is no excuse for it.
@@EvoDevo2004 you dont have to be an expert to check if a gun is loaded and the instruction on how to tell if a round is fake is like 15 words. If you shake it and it rattles its a blank if it doesn't rattle tell someone.
@@marguaritetherese3156 sadly,. that notion (while fundamentally right) doesnt play out in making movies.... after all, a basic rule of firearm safety is, dont point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. however for the movie to even be remotely believable, those rules need to be tossed. so it is imperative that you have an amourer that checks and ensures everything is safe.
@51:10 Do weapons "just" break? Yes. They do. The weapon "just" broke while the FBI was test firing it. Weapons do not however "just" reach the condition that allows them to break unless there is a material, design, or manufacturing defect. From the descriptions in this complaint, the weapon was dirty and not correctly (if at all) maintained. Weapons that are dirty suffer not just sediment that can freeze operating mechanisms, or physically block needed actions from happening, but also suffer material degradation which physically weakens or corrodes away the actual materials of the weapon and its components - this causes the weapon to be unable to handle the operating stresses, temperatures, and pressures required to function correctly. Generally this leads to parts breaking (as in the FBI test) or a misfire producing various kinds of damage and injury. @51:14 Yes, it's entirely believable that the weapon was taken to a range and operated successfully prior to the incident, as it continued to function until it finally gave up the ghost during FBI testing. Weapons adopted for official (military, LEO, etc) use are subjected to intense stress testing which includes environmental hazards such as mud, dry and wet sand, fine and course sediment exposure to ensure that they can operate in adverse conditions reliably for a limited amount of time. Point being, most weapons can handle a bit of rough treatment, but this far exceeded any reasonable expectations of safe operation and maintenance. Love your work Emily!
Thanks for making this as clear as possible. It's getting more and more complicated following the various pieces of litigation and investigating into this case. I'm with you I cannot believe the number of red flags that were passed over and the utter negligence by so many of the players here. No wonder the criminal charges and investigation is taking so long. I really feel for the family, their opportunity to get clear answers and some form of closure is looking very far off in the distance. Happy 2023 to you and all of the Law Need community x
I think this started as a budget issue-they hired cheap crew who were incompetent. I don’t feel like Baldwin the actor is responsible, but Baldwin the producer may have liability since he was invested and responsible for the film.
It will depend on what his duties as producer were. Some people like Stan Lee are credited as producers for many movies, but he didn't actually supervise the actual production. As I recall there was that very bizarre situation with this particular production company screwing with the crew constantly like booking a hotel for them hours away. Curious if he knew anything about it, seems like it would cause issues while he's actually filming so why would he want to do that? Still, if he was partly responsible for hiring a competent armorer there may be some responsibility there in a way. On the other hand, what does that mean for any new hires to any industry? They never get a shot because they have no experience? Or was she just a bad choice herself, I suppose that's the point of the lawsuit. Will be quite a trial if there's no settlement.
Yes exactly - Baldwin the producer is liable. There are multiple issues including the wrong crew, failure to keep to standard protocols including safety, accommodation and travel issues. An appallingly badly run and cynical production.
Executive producer credits are often given to talent to give them part of their salary on budget movies but they do not entail any actual production responsibilities
No matter where you work anytime they try to cut corners to save money and time that’s when you gotta be strong and slow down and deliberately do things correctly. Never let them push you
depends. this is a special industry. if some were inexperienced and this was a "break" project for them- they'd bend over backwards to please. thus issues. Especially in entertainment.
As my dad says, “I can do this fast or I can do it right.” He always opts for “right” - he’s an electrical engineer - they tend to be thorough to a fault lol
I was imagining stray boxes or something, but they don't have any fucking boxes at all, they just have everything sitting out anywhere and everywhere. This was a completely preventable situation
I am not a gun "enthusiast" but I was taught gun safety & how to shoot at a young age. I am now in the medical field & know the importance of labeling & keeping vital chemicals & medications separate. However - (while there was so much wrong & disappointing about Knives Out **spoiler alert** including the nurse not wearing gloves or being sure she checked the vials before administrating a dose, the point the film made was that a professional that uses those meds every day may not "need" a label [again I still agree when people's lives are at risk, the chance of error going up due to process flaws or lack safety checks should always be prevented] - so those that use ammunition & weapons, even co-mingled bullets could be distinguished. I also was under the impression films do use live ammunition in various settings vs them "never" being in use (which adds to eliminating the "it was reasonable to never think they could be there").
@@orphanedhanyou I get it and agree with someone who should be familiar can prob tell the difference, but also this shows me that they're not organized or following basic safety rules. Failing to have this kind of basic organization or safety trickles down negatively. It wouldn't be an issue or discussion if a tragedy had not occurred, but since it did and hindsight is 20/20, its easy to see how this could have happened whereas before this information came out, there were a lot of people asking how this could have happened if union safety guidelines were being adhered to.
All you need is a "toolbox on wheels" (either in a car or a smaller one on a wheelbarrow) ... with lots of (lockable) drawers for the ammunition and the guns. That way you can keep everything separated and somewhat locked up while being easily accessible. That way you can prevent mixing of ammunition (there are several types of "dummy" rounds ... and blanks with different effects) and save a lot of time checking each round all the time.
right? when you first hear about something like this you think “okay, but how is it possible to just mix up ammunition/to not know where the bullets came from/ to have a dirty, unkept gun?”… but then you see the pictures of these offices… and, unfortunately, it all starts to make sense😞
I can't tell you how many streams from other creators I've spent a minute on and bailed when I can't find the one thing in the description that really interested me. Yep. I'm a quitter. But not any more, thanks to Emily B's patented CHAPTERING! So so good, thank you!!! I always end up watching WAY more of your videos - it's ALL good 🤗
EMILY, I am film crew, and I can send you the safety memo that describes the use of fire arms on set. It is safety memo number one. My problem with Baldwin is that no matter who he hires, what their reputation is, and how much trust he puts in their job he is the last person to handle the gun. I have worked on set with many actors and before they take the gun they ask the prop master to open the gun show it to the crew and the crew has the right to inspect the gun to make sure that it is safe. Nobody handles a gun without going through that procedure. Whenever somebody takes a gun they go through that procedure. Baldwin should have asked to have the gun opened before he handled it. He was lazy, or in a hurry. Every actor knows the proper protocol. He knows the protocol. He is 100% negligent for not asking that the gun be opened before he handled it.
You provide a positive space. Thank you. Communities who promote honest, accountable, and sometimes painful realities are much stronger in my opinion. You have strengthened me. Again, thank you for your sharing of so much of yourself. Very Respectfully, Stephen
This feels very full circle to me. Last time I flew back to work in KSA through JFK I ended up watching and loving EDB for the first time. (A Rust related analysis) And here I am at JFK having a beer listening to a new EDB. 💕
You were around the corner from me @ JFK… I would’ve looked for your plane to take off & waved, lol… I’m over in Jamaica Queens. I can see the air control tower from my bedroom. NY loves you & EDB! 🙌🏻🤗💛
Get back to: Background Checks, Checking Resume’s, Check potential-employees social media sites…in the case, a site visit before hiring. Too many Bad Hires because nobody is performing due-diligence before hiring!
Had plans to go down the pub tonight, but we're all snowed in up here in Scandinavia, me and my cognac are happy that you're streaming, plan b ain't that bad at all.
Happy New Year Emily! Love your new intro. So happy to have you back! The sheer volume of failed safety procedures in the Rust armory department is astounding! As a child I was taught to ALWAYS assume a gun is loaded. A gun being so dirty that ammo can't be inserted implies that the gun had been heavily used, leaving a huge amount of residue, and not properly cleaned afterwards. Which sort of seems to confirm the email about the gun being used elsewhere too, but by someone who doesn't know or care about basic gun care.
I have worked on film television and show sets for 40 years. As routine sets in, crews become complacent. Safety sometimes becomes secondary to just getting the job done. Not everyone, not even properly trained union workers will call out red flags. For example, fork lift operators are supposed to wear proper harnesses while in fork lifts at all times. This is rarely enforced. Much of the time the people driving the fork lifts have not followed any sort of course on how to operate this heavy and deadly equipment. I have operated cissor lifts and fork lifts on job sites myself with only minimalinstructions on how they work. On a film set, in all the chaos, I can easily see how a gun incident like this one can happen. Easy for lawyers to hack out responsibility later on. Everyone is responsible and no one person is responsible. It's as tragic as that.
in true Robin (a.k.a. Burt Ward) fashion "Holy WTF Batman." But seriously it's amazing that no one else wasn't injured. I had such difficulty seeing the prop house photos and not placing 100% of the blame being put on the armorer and prop master, etal.
I think because Baldwin (and his wife) are soooo unlikeable, people were quick to place blame on his shoulders. The reality of the situation is that he certainly wasn't responsible alone. The carelessness of the crew was just outrageous.
If Hutchins had asked Baldwin to point the gun at his own head and pull the trigger, who thinks Baldwin would have relied on the "cold gun" call from the assistant director and would not have checked himself? I dispute the claim that Baldwin had the same state of mind as Hutchins and is as much a victim as she is of all the others who failed in their duty. I guess his lawyers have to write that, but if this ever goes to a jury, I would try to stay away from that rhetoric. It's not a good look.
@@LawNerd24 You're obviously not following this case or you would know that a) Alec Baldwin has lots of experience with guns and knows how to check and distinguish between ammo types b) it was a rehearsal so there were not supposed to be ANY bullets, not even blanks. Even a 6-year old who has only seen movies can tell if a REVOLVER has bullets in it. We're not talking modern guns, here. These are Western revolvers where the bullets are plainly visible. c) the safety standards of the Screen Actors Guild requires safety training of actors who have to act with guns d) Baldwin admitted in an interview that he had safety trainings with the armorer.
No. Because he's still not the armourer, who was hired to check the safety and control of all guns. I don't think gun safety comes into the remit of producer.
@A L but the hiring of the safety team does. Could he be opening up the production company to a negligence suit by saying in his personal suit that it was all the fault of the "production team" as a whole?
Rookie armorer, doing two jobs on set plus rookie Prop Master and a Prop House just trying to cover his own ass all caused by a bunch of producers trying to save a few bucks. My guess is the armorer was rushed in doing the job most of the time comboed with inexperience.
@@rebeccaabram2312 Yeah, the armorer’s job is too important to give them additional tasks - especially one so inexperienced. The armorer should be able to focus on the one job because lives are at stake.
She literally did not care, I recommend watching her interview with the sheriff, she was PUSHED by her dad a long time armorer to become like him since she was the son he never had, she’s a loser, when she talks she sounds like a 16 year old and you can tell she did not take her job seriously, BUT has the nerve to state that it’s eventually the job of the actor to check the gun, not hers??!?
I see Alec’s angle of just being an actor behind a wall of professionals who were hired to protect his safety along with Helena’s, but I’m curious if his role of producer includes him as accountable for the level of safety on set. Also, was he aware of the reports of carelessness and danger on set? Didn’t someone quit over this reason just the day before? If Alec knew all this, wouldn’t there be some accountability on his part for at least ensuring the dangerous prop that was given to him was properly cleared by something more than just a verbal affirmation?
That's my question too. The armorer was NOT ON SET but the gun WAS. Did Alec question this? He shouldn't be taking the gun from anybody but the armorer, or was this so freaking common on this set that he just accepted without question?
My question as well. This whole document is from the point of view of Alec as the actor. “Not my fault; a gun was given to me and declared safe. It’s everyone else’s fault.” That’s what I hear. However, he is also the producer. Isn’t a producer ultimately legally responsible for everyone’s safety on the set?? I don’t know, but that’s what I have always heard. If so, regardless of other people’s negligence, disorganized storage, and so on… as the producer, wouldn’t he be responsible for double checking everything on set?? 🤷♀️ Not saying that there’s not a bunch of negligence elsewhere.
Alec's angle as the actor is crap. He had the responsibility to not point the gun directly at any person. Never point a gun with a live round, blanks, or empty at a real human. Everyone is talking about how the live round got into the gun, all very legitimate questions but where are the questions about proper use of the gun.
What a nightmare, this is one of those things that could happen to anyone for trusting others to do their job. I would never think live rounds would be on set. Who would do that? Baldwin has certainly been gleefully villianized in the news. All I ever heard about the FBI report was that they said it couldn't happen-which clearly is not the story.
HOT TAKE: Based on what Alec Baldwin's lawyers wrote the gun going off with a live round isn't his fault. WHAT HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR: as a producer, financial backer, and the lead actor (with experience on set with firearms) he should have been asking why safety meets didn't happen. People made statements that the scene they were working on wasn't the one that they were planning on doing that afternoon but he made them change plans. If he had enough power on set to change the order of filming then he had more than enough power to make safety meets happen. He knew the meetings didn't happen because he wasn't at them, so he knew there was at least one problem
Baldwin and his lawyers need to stop saying "This is what she would have or wouldn't have said/done" they should just stop it. She's no longer here and if Baldwin was TRULY sincere in his remorse, he'd do that, but he won't, cause I don't believe he really cares.
Based own what was read and shared in the video there certainly appears to be a lot of failure and culpability on the part of many for this tragedy. Anyone who has taken any type of firearm safety class should know that you NEVER point a gun at anything you do not intend to shoot. There are NO exceptions to that rule. There is no such thing as an unloaded firearm. In fact there is a rule that specifically states that one should always treat every firearm is if it were loaded. There are NO exceptions to that rule either. Had those rules been followed by the handlers of the firearms on that set we would not be having this discussion. So treat every firearm as if were loaded and never point a gun at anything you do not intend to shoot. Always keep a gun pointed in a safe direction and keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. Never point a gun at a person. There is no such thing as an unloaded gun. Am I repeating myself? Yes I am!!!! If you are handling a firearm all these rules should continually be running through your mind and you should be continually checking and making sure you are handling that gun safely and pointing it only in a safe direction and never at a person. No matter how many people have handled the gun prior to you, once you have the firearm in your hand you are now the custodian of safety for that firearm. You are now directly responsible for making sure that gun is handled safely and never pointed at a person for any reason other than self defense which is clearly not the case here. In fact they were breaching rules of safety just handing the gun to each other with a closed cylinder. Before you hand a gun to another person it should be verified that the gun is unloaded with a visual inspection of the cylinder to chamber by both parties handling the gun. In this case the 6 cartridges to be used should have been brought over on a tray and each round should have been visually inspected by both for the "hole" in the casing and both should have listened for the "BB" rattle before that cartridge was loaded into the cylinder. The "cold gun" exclamation in and of itself is a breach of firearm safety. That should only be stated by both parties once both parties verified the safety of the gun and it was ready to be used in the scene.
Nice work Emily. You should interview Dutch Merrick on your show if you want to hear from a working Hollywood expert armorer how this got messed up. Get in touch with me and I will get you his contact information. IMHO this is a very good brief and hits all the right points. I too am an attorney, but a very long time ago I used to be an armorer in the film biz. FYI, a live round is denoted by the flat primer, not the color of the primer. At 35:13, if you look closely at the brass colored primers (all the rounds in the box but one), you will see they each have a dimple in the center of the primer, meaning the primer for that individual round has been fired and is now inert. There is one round of ammo with a flat primer (red square) which should have alarmed the armorer, as this means there is at minimum a live primer in that brass cartridge, which can still be dangerous even with no powder in the dummy round (Brandon Lee's death was caused by an armorer who made his own dummny rounds but neglected to fire the primer, and the dummy was loaded into the gun, the primer was fired, and this was enough to push the dummy round's lead bullet into the barrel of a revolver. When a blank round was later inserted in the gun and fired, all the elements of a live round were present, and Brandon Lee was shot). To be clear, a dummy round is a "fake bullet" - it looks like a real brass cartridge with a lead bullet in the tip, but it is inert. A blank round is a brass cartridge with no lead bullet, it has gunpowder in it and paper or styrene "wadding" to keep the gunpowder in, and it is what is used in a prop gun to make the noise, smoke and flash - it is relatively safe at the proper distance, but still should never be pointed directly at anyone. It is the armorer's job to be on set and help with the camera blocking during rehersal to make sure no actor fires blank rounds at the actors and crew. That wasn't done on RUST. Before loading a gun with dummies, the armorer checks each dummy round, and confirms the dimpled fired primer. In addition, the armorer confirms the dummies have either a rattle inside the brass, or a hole drilled in the side of the brass of the dummy round, which means there is no gunpowder inside the brass casing. It is also good practice to "dry fire" the weapon for all six rounds, to ensure all the dummy rounds are dead. It is the armorer's job to do all this before ever handing a gun with dummy rounds to any actor, and also to show the actor and the first AD that the gun only has dummy rounds and is safe. This is the legal duty the armorer on RUST owed to all the actors, including Baldwin. This was NOT done, and the armorer (Guiteirrez) wasn't even on the set. The First AD improperly took over the armorer's job and didn't know how to check the gun correctly, which is why you can't expect actors to know how to do it either. It is the armorer's job. At 43 minutes Baldwin's attorney's are correct, that is how an actor and and armorer should work together. It is not the actor's job to be an expert in prop gun safety, just like if is not the actor's job to know how to operate a camera crane safely, to make sure the grips properly hung the 10K lights overhead, or to check the safety of the squibs for the special effects crew. The actor has enough to do just acting, and must rely on the entire crew for safety. If the actor has a problem, or is worried about the prop gun, the actor should ask for the armorer to show them the gun is safe. That way the armorer can reset the weapon for the actor and make it safe for the shot. The first AD should always allow for any request for safety, and always call in the armorer in to do her job, even if it slows down the production schedule. It is my opinion the first AD was grossly negligent on the RUST set by handling the gun and interjecting himself into the armorer's duties. That said, it doesn't reduce the negligence of the Prop Master and Armorer.
I listened to the police interview with Jensen Ackles (who was playing the US Marshal) and he said they were setting up to shoot his scene with Alec. It’s so scary to think just how many people could have gotten hurt, is just…. Terrifying
I didn't even realize he was supposed to be in this! One life tragically lost one person injured and any more missteps could have been even more catastrophic. He is such a good guy I can only imagine how all this has effected him. He's worked with firearm set safety for so long it makes me wonder if he was uneasy about the whole thing before this all went down.
wasn't there a on set video recording of Baldwin "practicing" drawing the gun in the moments before the shots happened? I seem to remember so. If you go back and watch those "practice draws"- you will CLEARLY see that Baldwin NATURALLY/INNATIELY pulls his trigger finger movement in that moment (when he said "he never pulled the trigger"). Anytime he talks about drawing the gun and recreates that moment in an interview, you also see how trigger finger "pull" instinctly/naturally. So- not saying he's guilty, BUT.. to me that would seem to suggest during the fatal practice draw with live rounds in it, that trigger finger did the same an - rest is history. (okay it naturally held back the trigger while he cocked hammer and let it go).
The amount of ammo found at the prop company doesn’t alarm me. The truly abhorrent aspect of the search is that blanks and live rounds were found CO-MINGLED. That’s what’s glaringly negligent! The prop company and armorer aren’t gonna be able to explain that in any way that gets them out of responsibility in this.
I would just like to say, I feel absolutely vindicated by the police report regarding the inspection of the gun. I was ripped apart in the comments by gun "experts" when I said, "if Alec's statement of "not pulling the trigger" is true, then the gun was likely faulty, and the hammer did not lock in place when he pulled it back - because the hammer is ultimately what causes the gun to fire. If he pulled it back, as he stated, and let go, it should have locked in place, but if the gun was faulty, it might have released without the trigger being pulled." Based on what happened with the police, it sounds like that's EXACTLY what happened. Take that assholes who said I didn't know what I was talking about 😤
Sentence #96 & 97 state Alec pulled back the hammer but did not cock the gun then he "let the hammer go". The FBI report clearly states this is a single action colt and in a "decocked state" the hammer is capable of igniting a live round. That is how single action revolvers work. Cocking means locking the hammer in place, it has nothing to do with enabling the pistol to fire. Cocking prevents accidental firing UNTIL the trigger is pulled. Baldwin didn't secure the hammer he pulled it back and let it go thereby driving the firing pin which, on a Colt revolver, is attached to the hammer into the primer on the cartridge. The trigger on a pistol merely releases a cocked and locked hammer, it doesn't "fire the gun". The firing pin banging into the primer fires the bullet. It doesn't have to hit it very hard either. The gun wasn't faulty, it's a simple, single action and Baldwin was ignorant. You NEVER let the hammer slip off your thumb on a single action. You ALWAYS cock a single action. He fired that gun.
@@ChubbyUnicorn Thank you. This (minus the specific gun type) is what I was posting as my hypothesis - that it was possibly faulty, and/or the hammer just didn't lock in place, and the replies were nothing but, "you're stupid and don't know how guns work." Like I said, I feel quite vindicated. Even more so with your very detailed explanation about the gun. The minute he said he pulled the hammer back, but didn't pull the trigger, then let go, I was thinking what you explained - but I am not a gun expert.
@@ChubbyUnicorn I think we’re losing sight that Baldwin isn’t a gunfighter of any description. I mean, the vast majority of actual modern-day gunfighters haven’t used a single-action revolver. He’s a dude who was told a gun was safe when it wasn’t.
Disgusting to claim that everyone else had a duty to know the status of the gun, except for him. As the operator of the firearm, he was responsible too.
No. His job was actor and producer. This is why you hire armourers in the first place. The question is, why was live ammunition on the set in the first place? Why did the armourer use a bad gun? Why did the armourer load the gun with live bullets? This is criminal negligence on the part of the armourer.
@@marguaritetherese3156 And if you are instructed to drive a car on set, is it your fault if the car brakes fail? Or are the actors somehow meant to be mechanics and check the car is safe too? He's not even necessarily saying he didn't have to know the status of the gun. He's saying he was entitled to rely on the status that was represented to him by the professionals when forming knowledge - i.e. he was told it was cold by someone is a position to know better.
@@f4lconwing the first two rules of gun safety are that you ALWAYS treat the gun as if it is loaded and you NEVER point it at someone or something you don't intend to shoot. The hubris in believing that those rules didn't apply to him/them was deadly. The finger pointing to everyone else is just more of that hubris. I don't care how special someone is and obviously the gun didn't either, those rules apply to everyone. Yes, even actors. I don't doubt that this was a terrible accident on his part and I'm not saying that those others didn't fail their responsibilities as well or that he's more at fault than any of those people, but I'm not okay with him absolving himself of all responsibility. He could have prevented this tragedy if he had followed basic gun safety, despite errors or outright negligence that happened elsewhere on set.
@@marguaritetherese3156 I think it's fairly clear that the idea of never pointing a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot simply does not apply to the film industry. A huge number of tv shows/movies show characters holding guns to other characters' heads, pointing/firing them at others, etc. Cop shows, action movies, etc, it's everywhere.
Even if Hutchins asked Baldwin to point the gun toward her and her camera, I'm damn sure she didn't tell him to pull the trigger which we know he did, although he claims he didn't. Aligning himself with Hutchins after he shot her dead is completely inappropriate IMO.
I hope Gutierrez-Reed gets nailed...She is the Armourer!....the fact that she is so young and female should not garner people's sympathy. It all starts with Her. She can't blame a company for sending live bullets, etc. They may be at fault if they sent the wrong product But It was her job to make sure they never found their way on to the set. She is responsible for a safe set.
The person who ultimately should have checked the gun is Baldwin. All of them are responsible but the person holding the gun is ultimately responsible. Baldwin is trying to get away with negligence. Listen to Nick Cage & George Clooney, they stated an actor shouldn’t hold a gun that they haven’t checked
@@GoAlamo she was intentionally given multiple roles and she was strategically placed in places where she couldn’t supervise the armory while she was dealing with props master duties. You’re NEVER supposed to have the same person as both prop master and armorer.
DUDE I am in the stage hand/ studio mechanic union the represents the film 🎞️ crew… my chapter does live events and theatre I feel sick 🤢 knowing that, that set had live rounds… that is NEVER SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, EVER. I don’t handle weapons on set, but because my union does I have had the first level of training. It is so disturbing.
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One problem with trying to act like PDQ having both live and dummy round was some huge problem is the fact that dummy round are created from live rounds. So any company that supplies dummy rounds to people will have to have live round on the premises. Also when you are dealing with certain types of ammo, the bullets are not always available in a nice box from a store. Some ammo is rare and you have to purchase it at gun shows, estate sales, garage sales or where ever you happen to find it in whatever container it happens to be in. I have known gun collectors that had a place that was just as disorganized as what was shown. The also had the rest of their shop or house very well organized. You can also accept as fact that the lawyers aren't going to use any photos that look like they were organized and will cherry pick the worst ones they can get.
I’ve been working professionally as an actress for many years. Every person on set has their job. Union rules. If for example I’m having last looks, and my hair falls in my eyes while my makeup person is reapplying lipstick, makeup cannot adjust my hair. They need to let hair person do it. Each crew has their specific role.
That they had armoror doing Any other jobs than just handling the guns is disgusting. The armoror should NOT be doing anything other than supervising & handling any & all guns period. Producers & financial sources trying to save $$ which equals more $$ for them. Also weren't guns actually owned by Guiterrez's father's guns & loaned out to Rust? If yes she can do what she wanted off hours of set.
In my opinion just because they were irresponsible doesn’t mean that Baldwin wasn’t. If he’d checked the gun, as per Nicholas Cages comment, then these errors would have been caught and a life saved. They’re all culpable, including Baldwin.
I don't get it. How can there even be an argument that the buck doesn't stop with the finger on the trigger? Doesn't mean that the other people are not responsible as well but not instead. That's just not how the adulting thing works.
So what I’m hearing is that Baldwin may very well have followed all directives, but he was given bad directives and possibly bad *faith* directives? Am i interpreting this correctly? Also I’m like 2/5 through this, so I’ll probably be editing this comment when I finish the podcast.
So I swing a hammer for a living and have been trained since I was 14 in Highschool in woodworking class a mantra when working with any dangerous tool. On any work site, in any situation, at all times. Trained by my Highschool teachers, collage instructors, my mentors in apprenticeship, in government approved textbooks, the construction standards codes, every supervisor, employer and inspectors. One universal rule that all must follow by law without exception. "SAFTY IS EVERYONES RESPONSABILITY"
Yep, my mom worked in a switching office for AT&T and I remember signs at her workplace that read: No job is so important and no service is so urgent that we cannot take the time to perform it safely. That was back profit wasn’t the only motivation in corporate America.
Baldwin is correct. I am a prop person. Actors should not check for themselves. They need a prop person to do it with them there. The weapon could be set a specific way. And an actor could (lack of better word) mess it up.
@@doris864 that could result in accidentally firing the weapon by checking it depending on the weapon. I’m not saying that Baldwin is 100% innocent but we can’t over look the armorer. 50 live rounds ending up on set and found on the prop cart, in the guns, in the holsters etc. can’t just be ignored when it’s her job to make sure that that doesn’t happen.
Then why are many actors who have actually been working in Hollywood for DECADES saying the exact opposite? I’m not asking this to be rude or anything. I’m genuinely curious and have been for MONTHS. I’ve heard your take many times and it sounds completely logical. I’ve also heard the idea that everyone must check. They both sound /reasonable/ but the idea that actors themselves shouldn’t be responsible for weapons checks makes a ton of sense to me.
@@aliioana8586 I think they check even if they don't have to to prevent exactly this situation. My understanding is if they DO check though, the armourer still has to re-check after.
Blanks project. May not have the live stuff……Blanks project. Did we forget about Brandon Lee? Dad=Bruce Lee Brandon supposedly was also killed by blanks(Movie)=The Crow
The thing that kills me is that the first rule of having a gun on set is NOT TO POINT IT AT SOMEONE. It doesn’t matter if the round is live or not. Brandon Lee ringing a bell for anyone? Everyone truly dropped the ball.
Emily, after listening to the interogations, I heard so much misconduct & negligence, it was frightening!! Right across the board!! Where was Tom Cruise when needed?!! 😂
Listen, I get that Alec thought that the gun was "cold". He still shouldn't have EVER pointed it at another human being! Ask for the crew to move around, you're the main talent and a producer FFS
This literally was a deadly Russian Roulette by gross negligence and disorganization. Everyone on that set was at risk! Anyone who held weapons was an unwilling executioner! 🤢🤢🤢
As someone who holds an FFL (federal firearms license) I am appalled how that arms trailer was kept! That woman (Hannah) is a complete failure! How she kept firearms was so incredibly stupid! SHE above ALL should have know better! SHE is 100% responsible for this mess! And if she did take them guns to a firing range & fired live ammo YOU CLEAN YOUR GUN! She knows this! Again to have live ammo on a set was so wrong and she knew that also!
No one who is familiar with firearms would EVER say point the gun at me and shoot; empty, blanks or live. It just would not happen. I want to see them submit the video proving this claim. Runkle did a video showing how easy, really easy, it is to tell live rounds from blanks. Really easy, just saying!
Runkle of the Bailey went over the FBI report in the gun, at least what was available (can't remember how much was released), and the interpretation of the gun being in bad shape prior to testing is all in Alec & his lawyer's interpretation. The gun fired just fine multiple times, and the only way that they could get it to fire without caulking the hammer all the way back and pulling the trigger was by physically destroying the gun with a hammer. Otherwise, the safety features worked appropriately, even with hard use. This is consistent with normal testing, and with such a allegation of it being in bad repair & firing without pulling the trigger, they had to test whether that was accurate.
Revolvers have no safety, its why you can can not modify them. You can not put a plug in or change anything on the firearm. Unless you have an airsoft or a replica, real revolvers are strictly monitored and handled by an onset armourer especially here in Vancouver. For myself as a props person here, I can handle everything except the 'realies' as it is my licenses, and my reputation on the line and I am not qualified to handle those types of firearms on a film set.
@@LittleHedgie The "safety" feature on this revolver being that a partial cock would make the hammer come down between rounds onto the metal frame of the revolving part when the trigger was pulled rather than down onto the bullet.
@@RareInTheHistory on a film set that would not be considered a safety because if you give a performer a firearm chances are they will pull the trigger regardless of it being a revolver style or semi auto box or mag fed. I can almost 100% guarantee you that from extras to actors that they will pull the trigger of the firearm (replica or not) even before a scene starts. I know this because for the movie Bullet Proof (UK called original title of Death Pursuit) i was the one that was handling the revolver for Vinnie Jones, I would have each and every round out of the thing in my left hand, the revolver with the cylinder open A) to Safe and Clear for Vinnie (as well as show the rest of the cast and crew after our safety meeting) B) I would shake each and every one of the dead dummy rounds, load them into the revolver and close up the cylinder after making sure EVERYONE was happy with the safety of the firearm. Once I handed it to Vinnie Jones, as per what he used to do in the UK he pulled the trigger six times and pointed the gun away from everyone else JUST to make sure for himself once loaded up. After it was all said and done and done, it was immediately unloaded and cased and locked.
@@LittleHedgie thanks for your perspective. I can definitely see myself pulling the trigger of a fake gun on a set. Especially if it wasn’t supposed to have bullets in it.
I was about to comment similarly about how Runkle interpreted the FBI accidental discharge procedures. Allegations and shade, she's reading someone else's lawsuit with someone else's spin.
I do see the connection between Alec and Hutchins. Mistakes and imperfections and misunderstandings can happen during action/stunt/dangerous shoots on a film set. That is why so many people are responsible for the checks, double checks, triple checks and so on. I do believe he has some personal responsibility for what happened, but legal responsibility and professional responsibility belong to those whose job it was to bring a safe prop to the set. In the end, their irresponsible execution of their duties have cost a life and a person to take that life, neither of which should have been remotely possible.
I have never been a Baldwin fan but in this case I believe him. He counted on the staff doing their jobs. Can you imagine how he felt or feels after that gun went off. Horrible accident
@@liriodendronlasianthus Exactly. As an actor, he can absolutely say “I asked for more gun lessons, but they didn’t give me any.” Or “previous incidents made me nervous but I trusted my colleagues.” But as producer, when one of your actors asks for gun lessons and isn’t given any, or a gun is accidentally discharged on set and there is little official reaction, YOU SHOULD BE ASKING QUESTIONS. When the professionals you’ve frequently worked with are too expensive for your budget, you should be questioning if your budget should be increased or your vision scaled back, rather than looking to save money by cutting corners on safety. How does “I didn’t know” help if it was sort of his job to know?
One thing that was skipped-Baldwin admitted to 90 minutes of gun safety training. There are 4 tenets of gun safety. 1. Assume gun is loaded 2. Know your target & what’s behind it 3. Keep finger off trigger 4. Keep pointed in safe direction at all times If he had followed those, there would be no accident. He still had extreme culpability.
All this ammo stuff is so wild to me… I am too suspicious of a bullet after it slipped to the floor in just training and they go ‚this is weird lets use them anyway!‘
Yeah…so that’s why you require a certificate of insurance *showing* you as additional insured, showing required limits, and noting hold harmless agreement. Insanity that no one required a COI.
