Alicent Hightower - Everybody Wants To Rule The World 

I'm afraid that they will leave her a passive player, even though she collected the green council in f&b!!! I really want to see her do terrible things, but things that really affect the history of dance. I love her soft, tragic side, but now I need my evil green queen 👑💚

@@-grustnayaclounessa2333 tbf they're doing it with both of them.

But I fear there isn't all that much that Alicent does in the book, her sons take over after the war begins. I wish they hadn't reduced her to be nothing but a pawn to Otto and a gullible woman who acts on a misinterpretation. They set up the enmity between her and Rhaenyra fairly well, she as destined to be her antagonist, she should have schemed to put Aegon on the throne on her own accord.

This version of Alicent (in the show) is so much better, more complex, more nuanced, it is my favorite character of th whole show! Obviously she will do horrible things in the escalation of the conflict, just like Rhaenyra. This is the point of the story, how this horrible conflict will trap everyone in a revenge and retaliation cycle.

@@-grustnayaclounessa2333 She was not passive at all in episode 9, she has the upper hand over her father and takes charge of everything. Reluctance to murder is not a weakness! This is so true.

but they had the same fate, alicient loved her king husband, and gave him the kingdom he always wanted, took care of him in dying years, and gave him three heirs to the throne, but it still wasnt enough, and she lived in his dead wife shadow, and she should have been allowed a happy ending by the author, have her fall in love with cole, leave court alive, with her kids, and live their lives out in country side, and let her former best friend have the throne, with her groomer uncle, just leave alicient in peace

Alicent is wrong. How she gonna want to ignore rhaenyras claim to the throne and the kings wishes, and to allow her drunken and rapist son to be king when he never wanted to be. I agree that neither side is evil, but rhaenyra ain’t selfish. She always put others before herself and tried to hard to stop this war that’s coming

Rhaenyra isn’t a murderer, that’s the difference, Alicent told everything to her father and he manipulated her and she was so blind, as a queen daemon would not have the right to murder, you forget that everything that happened is due to the Hightower’s greediness

@@euphoricfairy4461 And she didn't think Rhaenyra was a liar either but she lied to her, Alicent helped her get rid of her Father and she lied. Also she didn't even want to usurp her, she thought Viserys changed his mind. Plus Rhaenyra will be. Daemon and Rhaenyra do terrible things too. The entire point is both sides are fucked and this is a family tragedy rather than good guys vs not. Daemon murdered his former wife, kills small folk, chops off a small child's head and other fucked shit.

@@euphoricfairy4461 that’s what I’ve been saying apart from rhaenyra being a murder. Later on she’s gonna be doing some questionable things (but I’ll still love her regardless)

Just the fact that people can argue both sides is evidence of the good writing and stellar performances.

The book was rumour and hearsay lmfao

But she is good and right though... At least in my opinion. Very lovely and an endearing character.

@@Sigurjon96 exactly she is the best character so human so real

Because the book was written from the perspective of maesters that weren't even involved@@clintdavis1452

Same 💚

Same🙃

Rooting for Alicent

Are you insane? She is literally usurping the throne, Rhaenyra was the heiress chosen by the king, and her children, despite not being Velaryon, continue to have Targaryen blood.

@@gustavoboostel lol, of course Rhaenyra's first children would have been half Targaryen anyway, the problem here is that they are bastards, born out of wedlock, which would have led to a dynastic crisis in any case. and therefore, with regard to the children of Rhaenyra and Harvin, Alicent is right, they have no right to the throne. on the other hand, the greens are wrong to usurp Rhaenyra's throne because she is the rightful heir.

Rhaeneyra’s sons were claimed by her husband Laenor as his biological sons so legally they aren’t bastards. It also doesn’t matter who their father is in this scenario because it is Rhaeneyra’s blood connection to the throne that they need to inherit it, not the father’s.

@@-grustnayaclounessa2333 But they aren’t bastards?? Laenor legally claimed them as his sons even knowing they aren’t biologically his. And why would they not have a right to the throne? It’s Rhaeneyra’s blood they need to inherit it, not their father’s. Honestly it’s just a really weak argument to use against Rhaeneyra’s side, especially as she has two more sons with Daemon who are pure Targaryen, and could therefore be chosen as heirs.

@@Mimikinn 1. the fact that Laenor recognized them does not greatly affect the political situation, otherwise other houses would not have joined the greens. we are literally shown that everyone knows that in reality Jace, Luke and Joffrey are not the biological children of Laenor, but those who talk about it are waiting for the fate of Vaemond🥰 and if Laenor recognized them legally as his children, why does Rhaenyra worry about rumors, like it's just rumors girl, if you're innocent, there's no need to panic. 2. I am sure that they are at least 50% Targaryen, but the whole point is that only legitimate children can claim the throne like Rhaenyra or Aegon II, but Jace, Luke and Joffrey were born out of wedlock. you know, it's like in Westeros treason on the part of the heiress, because it would be fine if they were bastards, but Rhaenyra wants to transfer the throne to Jace, which again leads to a political crisis in the country. 3. I have no questions about the rights to the throne of Aegon III and Viserys, but Rhaenyra initially did not want to put children from Daemon on the throne, no, for some reason she chose Jace and in fact spoiled her reputation in Westeros. I think if Aegon III would have been named her heir immediately before the dance, there would have been much less problems 🤷🏽‍♀️

I don't think it has anything to do with 'following men'. She supports her blood over another womans child, no different than any other westerosi noblewoman we have seen on screen such as Cersei or Catelyn. In the show they framed her as this victim of the patriarchy but in the book the queen just wants her son on the throne because of course she does. And even in the show Alicent was pretty quick to 'misinterpret' Viserys final words.

Men?,? Lol another rubbish feminism theory Aegon is her own blood What do you think

@@grumpytank2927 Rhaenyra isnt the feminist icon they think she is

@@Zephur0s Exactly, Rhaenyra is no better, she wants to put her bastard sons on the iron throne and on the driftwood throne at all costs, although Baela is the rightful heir to Driftmark. But at the same time she and Rhaenys shame Alicent for 'toiling for men' because she does the exact same thing for her own son? Give me a break.

@@Zephur0s absolutely true... Everything Rhaenyra has she owes to men. Her whole conduct, such as it is, with her three Strong boys, is only possible because a male relative enables her to. Her position, her status... All thanks to her father. She does not even build herself a true basis for her power and her reign, as she well could have... Daddy fixes everything for her. She idled her time away in Dragonstone with Daemon and just "squeezed out" heirs, nothing more.

I'm just waiting for the steamy, self-destructive Daemon/Rhaenyra video to drop. 😈

yes!!

Guess Rhaenyra's fate was poetic justice too then

@@pg1448 Her son’s with Daemon becoming kings that’s justice.

@Nicholas II of Russia Still this war was about annihilation and the greens got annihilated.

@Nicholas II of Russia yeah they eliminated all of the threat. They made themselves threat by the way after they usurped the throne. Rhaneyra would never touch them. After all they are her siblings. Even if she want them gone she wont do it for Viserys' sake. That Otto dude made this all happen. Not just because Rhaenyra has 3 bastard sons. He would still want that crown to his bloodline not hers

yes, daenerys being her descendent, they are the right and holy between some much shit @@pg1448

You can't exactly say no to a king when he's asked you to marry him

In Westerosi society (just like medieval society), girls do what their king and their father asks of them. Alicent is what she was raised to be: a dutiful, loyal and obedient daughter and wife. But she later realises that to keep her and her family and her children safe, she needs to become a different sort of animal - the same on the surface but underneath, she must be observant, shrewd, paranoid and utterly ruthless.