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Chopper's knowledge of biology also probably helps his scope ability, I'm not sure that he'd be aware of their counter since they are borderline supernatural, even Morj isn't sure that they use fruits
Chopper not using brain point past Skypeia should be a testament against his biq. if he has this cheat code like ability but doesn’t use it, that’s just dumb
i think its because oda just didnt give him actual fights anymore. even sanji dont get many fights post timeskip, let alone chopper. chopper needs rumble balls to activate brain point too, so keep that in mind.
Yeah like the guy above said post time skip mostly all the fights are handled by the stronger Straw Hats and Chopper is kinda just a support character.
I can see Chopper being #1, but it shouldn't stop at just brainpoint. How about him advising strawhats to break down Oars body by hitting key points or him using the Mirror Dimension with Carrot to round up the strawhats across WCI.
I think Morj would label it as debatable. It's like how Nami's battle IQ can't come out of her profession as a navigator. Chopper didn't know that cuz of battle IQ but just profession
@@OniiChanPls martial arts literally relies on biology knowledge, making it direct while meteorology would only be directly germaine to strategizing a war
@@royalfun1031 Everything really. The fights were better choreographed, characters had more back and forth which did not devolve into a slugfest, damage taken was more impactful and the most important point, fights felt like fights, not superpower showdowns.
@@LoudWaffleyeah its pretty dissapointing tbh, especially since oda created the worst point, Kung fu Point and he overuses it the most😔i miss jump point and horn point
Me, coming into this video appreciating Zoros adaptability in developing an air slash when confronted with flying foes he has never had to deal with before, and tapping into the breath of all things when he is confronted with a man made of steel, quickly learning how to cut anything but also cut nothing at the same time. Also coming into this video appreciating Zoros ability to analyze and develop plans and find the weakness in Pica, quickly identifying there is a real body inside the giant statue and implementing a plan to completely cut him off from his ability to escape and widdling him down to deliver a finishing blow, and analyzing Kings battle style and noticing the flames as the source of his invulnerability and practically instantly confirming his own suspicion of that being his weakness. Just for all of that to amount to he hit had and lots and thats how win
A key factor for me is Egghead. Zoro fought King two weeks before Egghead and then ran into the seraphim who have wings and flame and was like “I have no idea how to beat them” when he just figured out King two weeks ago lmao
Is it a coincidence that the bottom 4 are the last four strawhats to join in latest to oldest order? Perhaps it's a sign that they don't get enough attention. That being said, I agree with another commenter on Brook being underrated with the ice wall in Onigashima and vs Giolla. Also, maybe it wouldn't change his position but Franky sacrificing Franky Shogun to get a Radical Beam shot on Sasaki's weak belly should've been mentioned too
I got to say Morj, coming up with this incredible content idea and brilliant analytical execution is nothing short but an outstanding display of your own „battle IQ“ in the highly competitive attention economy that is RU-vid. I’m a writer myself who had the privilege to learn from some of the best teachers in television writing and creative nonfiction writing to date. But the keen observations and analysis‘ of stories on your channels has been a treasure chest of learning for me :) Really glad you do what you’re doing ❤
The logic to chess marimo's weakness is the other heads chin is directly above the lower head. So a solid uppercut will hit both chins for a double KO.
I feel like Namis ability to read her opponent, plan where the opponent has to be for her lightning to hit best and then get the opponent there and especially how insanely effectively Nami uses the mirages, was kinda overlooked in this video. I feel like if we give any other Strawhat the climatact plus Namis knowledge of weather, the mirages still wouldnt help them that much cause nobody would use em as smart as Nami. Idk but I feel like Nami should be higher than 5 at least.
Brook literally outsmarted Giolla while Chopper,Nami and Momonosuke were helpless and did not think of anything. He also tricked Black Marias men into lining up so that he could get them all in one strike.
I don't know about chopper yeah usopp is number one, and sanji is also very smart❤ But i hope we see chopper's old forms like arm point or horn point he deserves more screen time😢
Battle IQ you focused heavily on dealing with trickery which you also put usop above sanji and luffy who uses trickery which I think isn’t the full story of battle IQ. Luffy has been stated to always identify the strongest opponent, learning future sight mid battle, learning advanced conquerors haki. That’s also battle iq
I didn't necessarily forget about brain point but more so just considered it a ret con of sorts. He used it during the first like 200 episodes and then never again. Why? Oda likely realized brain point was a problem. Immediately figuring an opponents weakness is so unbelievably OP i wouldnt blame Oda for doing so. Imagine if during every major fight Chopper just goes around "Brain Point! Yea Luffy, Lucci's weakness is this, mid diff him real quick" "Everyone, you see those Gorosei? This is how you get through their immortality" "Ok Luffy before you fight Kaido, this is his weakness". Either that or Oda just genuinely forgor 💀
We honestly gotta talk about what is battle iq. I look at it in a sense of how do you adapt to battle /advance your own fighting style. Zoro definitely gotta be higher. Dude cutting , Learning Air slashes, learning foxfire style, are all insane feats of high battle IQ. But I guess if you mean battle strategy it may not be important. Jinbei spot is disrespectful. The man who found ways to counter both Moria & Katakuri like he did deserves way more credit. Also gotta ask how is Battle Iq and a battle genius different. Characters like Goku & Luffy are definitely battle geniuses. I guess it's ultimately left to the reviewer.
So I think you're conflating two important components to battle IQ: tactics and strategy and as such not giving Brook and Sanji their due. What you are calling strategy coming up with plans in the heat of battle is actually tactics. Strategy is the things you do outside of battle to set yourself up for success with the overall objective of the fight, which is not just winning but the reason we are fighting in the first place. I would argue our top three strategists are Usopp, Sanji, and Brook in roughly that order. I would like to use Brook as a case study for what I mean. Brook on Thriller Bark is the one to discover the salt weakness. Intelligence gathering is a vital part of formulating strategy. It is Brook who makes this discovery through tricking his opponent into revealing salt is the weakness over fish. It is Brook who sends Robin and Frankie to revive the Monster Trio as the first and most important step in their assault. In Dressrosa we see his ingenuity in taking on Giolla, a Sugar level unfair power user, and winning through a combination of Strategy, Tactics, and Creativity. Whole Cake is where we see him really shine, not only in choosing to target Zeus rather than Big Mom, but in acchieving the objective of getting the Road Ponegliff rubbing before taking on Big Mom and also by casually destroying the picture to send BM over the edge while everyone was distracted. Brook deeply understands and values Battle Objectives beyond just winning the physical contest. He understands the shatterpoints that make or break the physical contest and ruthlessly exploits them both in his individual fights and in the broader battle in a way only matched or exceeded by Usopp and Sanji. Prior to Brook, Sanji had the role of the guy working behind the scenes to achieve the Stawhats' broader goals in battle, see his roles in Little Garden, Alabasta, and Water 7, this strategy, combined with his creativity and extremely superior tactical ability would put him above Brook. And Usopp is the undisputed king of punching above his weightclass both strategically and tactically. I would put Chopper at 4 because despite brain point he is just exactly as credulous as Luffy, he is extremely childlike in his approach to battle, and is almost never involved in strategy as a planner. Furthermore I actually penalize Chopper's lack of involvement in planning phases of battle, despite having access to brain point because good strategy is to use that ability at every opportunity during the planning phase. The fact that we haven't seen that ability much at all and the fact that it required a drug to access rather than being a natural battle IQ also require a penalty. I think having access to that ability does put him leagues above the other Strawhats, his lack of use thereof, and again his lack of any significant involvement in strategizing, his credulousness, and his childishness all put him significantly lower than Usopp, Sanji, and Brook. Sorry for the long response but I had to defend my man Brook.😂
To actually make each fight different. If he were to fight a sword user every time it would get tiring, but by doing this way he learns something about swordsmanship while battling someone significantly different than the previous one. Every top tier swordsman knows how to cut from a distance, cut steel, use observation haki, use conqueror’s coating and so on, and because of this Oda chose to make an opponent where Zoro could only ever win if he developed or enhanced such ability on the spot.
The King and Queen stuff actually flipped Zoro and Sanji’s types of opponents. Zoro got an opponent whose only gimmick was super easy to decipher, and yet he arrived at the conclusion by using his brain. Sanji got a highly technical fighter with a bag of tricks and beat him by hitting him really, really hard.
The correct list: 10. Franky - He's eating hits on purpose to show he's a MAN. 9. Jinbe - No info, but at least not handicapping himself like Franky. 8. Zoro - Every fight he just powers through, no battle IQ whatsoever. Yes, he eventually figured out King's ability, but then proceeded to forget it the next arc and cause his allies to struggle with the Seraphim unnecessarily. 7. Robin - She has a few good showings, but Oda is not letting her use her abilities in ingenious ways to not make her too OP. 6. Brook - Not many fights, but in those he's shown that he's got some battle IQ, like outsmarting Giolla where both Nami and Chopper were helpless, tricking Big Mom into giving him a window to cut Zeus, dealing with Black Maria's henchmen by tricking them into lining up. The rest I agree with, although Chopper not using Brain point anymore might make him fall to number 3.
Morj should make an "Oda forgot" video or series of videos cuz I totally forgot brain point was a thing and this powerful. With a power this broken he might have beaten Queen or done significant damage at least.
You could group fight IQ to two groups. In real life (UFC), some fighter's high fight IQ is feigning strikes to get reactions to tire and surprise opponents, hiding kicks behind jabs, footwork, etc. Other's technique is banter, showmanship, feigning injury to gain surprise - more trickery and mind games than technical fighting IQ skill. I say Luffy is more the former and a little bit of the latter. And Usopp is entirely trickery. I can't discount Luffy's fight IQ working out future sight and advanced conqueror on the fly. That's a fight IQ that's beyond throwing tobasco sauce and cockroaches.
The brook disrespect is crazy He outplayed Big Mom by getting the rubbings after sending Pedro to be bait, and that shows how he kept his eyes (although he doesn't have eyes!) on the objective. Same for when he wrecked the portray of caramel, Brook was on a mission, and that actually affected the "battle" (strawhats vs bigmom Pirates) in a big way. He also destroyed her verbally with the "Young lady, who plans on their own death" in reponse to her already good line "That's not the worst case scenario". And if wits are part of IQ, then punchlines should count as Battle IQ Put Zoro at ninth where he belongs
Man, Chopper doesn't even use his Rumble Balls properly but you're putting him at number 1. Ussop is LITERALLY BATMAN of STRAWHATS. He should definitely be number 1
Sorry Morj, while I 100% agree with your ranking, even Choppers placement, I don’t agree with your point on Chopper vs Chessmarimo. Anyone who’s ever done any sort of martial art would see this weakpoint immediately. The chin is probably the first thing any boxer targets, if left open. Hitting it (sometimes even slightly) will force your head to move super quickly, causing your brain to bounce against the inside of your skull repeatedly, resulting in a knock out/unconsciousness. That’s why uppercuts in general are so devastating. Read any MMA-focused-manga like Baki, Kengan, Hajime no Ippo etc and I guarantee you, they‘ll explain this to you repeatedly and in detail. So, watching a guy, who has 2 heads conveniently on top of each other, that fights without covering neither very much and leaves lots of gaps open for small fighters (like the Chop) to weave into,…. Yeah, uppercut the lower head into the upper one, causing a double knockout, why wouldn’t you?
I would have too three in order as Usopp, sanji then chopper. Usopp for obvious reasons stated, then sanji because he does have to outsmart, but in the end overcomes with strength. Chopper is 3 because he has ONLY used it 3 times, which all happened before enies lobby. He could have used it numerous times since then but hasn’t. Hence, he needs to be lower than 1. Honestly, I don’t think we will see brain point again
But luffy haki lvl has gotten way better since pre timeskip even in little garden when shit hit the fan luffy instinct locked in that how in a situation with perfect clones in a forest luffy was able to pinpoint the real Mr.3 so those foxy gags wouldn’t really work when he could use way better instinct/haki on a regular basis along with future sight and the ability to sense true intentions to the point where he was telling zoro that zoro should be been connected the dots to king and the seraphim so I think luffy should be over Sanji and under ussop
Putting luffy at 4 is genuinely insane he was able to overpower Enels observation pretimeskip he figured out the rokushiki in one fight with cp9 and learned advanced observation and advanced conquerors in the middle of fights
I expected Usopp Something with brain point could knock Chopper back down. Look what you said about Robin having a broken devil fruit she never uses. Chopper has used brain point three times only. Same category there I would think
Reread Luffy vs Crocodile round 3 and you'll understand why many think he has the highest battle IQ. Another example would be Luffy vs Kaido post chapter 1010, there's not a single strawhat that can fight as well as he does and I'm not talking in terms of power.
In my opinion, luffy figuring out ricochet effect and gomu gomu no air head to counter enel's mantra are far above sanji figuring out how to breathe and choke out kurubi through his gils. And regarding usopp, he is at the topof my list. Because i consider chopper's brain point ability to just be a modified support system rather than pure brains in the heat of a battle. It's like a special pair of glasses that allows him to see the weak point of the opponent when he puts them on, like night vision glasses grant the ability to see in dark, the "BRAIN POINT" glasses grant him the ability to locate weakness, without any explanation of the procedure explaining "how" involved.
You have to remember that luffy didn't have that much of a time limit when fighting against enel while sanji had limited time and limited oxygen, and this is after his guts were pressurized yet he was still able to think of a way to finish it
Bringing up gomu gomu no airhead is a counterpoint. Luffy didn't even think that by turning off his brain, he wouldn't be able to think. He immediately had to give it up cause he couldn't do anything. Anyone who could do something like that should know at least that much.
I think one thing you should mention is that, while Zoro couldn't find Pica, he had the intuition to first separate him from the ground, and to keep and live rocks from getting close to the ground or other live rocks, which is some pretty quick intuitive thinking in the seconds between him beinf flung across a city, bissecting a mountain, and then cutting those pieces before the mountain hits the ground (and only the live pieces btw)
I think Usopp, like Nami, has plot-induced super-endurance. The amount of damage he is allowed to take in fights is inconsistent with how he is written outside of the fights (like getting mugged by the Franky family). If you take points off of Nami, I think it is only fair to take points off of Usopp. Or else push Nami higher. Also Jinbe takes notes of opponents weaknesses even before he fights them (or even if he doesn't fight them). Like knowing how to counter Katakuri's Mochi ability with ahead of time (even though he was not planning on fighting him) and also knowing how to to deal with Prometheus ahead of time. I think that should count (because that's what Batman does as well in your example).
2 points of disagreement. 1. Brook: Brook has been involved in several fights and I would put him above Luffy. But it is important to think HOW Brook fights. He doesn't engage in protracted battles: he hangs back, waits for an opening, and then strikes, like a sniper or Alexander the Great. Because of this, it is hard to think of Brook fights, because they don't FEEL like fights. But look at his defeat of Giolla in Dressrosa or him taking out the photo in Whole Cake(as well as literally everything else he did on Whole Cake). Even Tararan was defeated like a sniper. 2.Chopper vs Ussop: I would switch these two around. Yes, scope is greater than Ussop, but scope has a time limit so is limited in its use and thus not 100% reliable. So ON AVERAGE, Ussop surpasses Chopper, seeing how Chopper is just below Luffy without scope.
Scope would put Chopper at #1 if he actually had the battle IQ to realize he should be starting fights with it every time. Ironically, this lack of battle IQ when outside of brain point is what bumps him down for me below Usopp
Yeah so let's use choper's 3 first fights to make him the best IQ fighter of them all... And, for the record, ChessMarimo's weakness being their chin doesn't have to be over explained like you did, the actual truth might be just that Oda needed to make Chopper cool in that battle and Oda said: idk just go for a punch in the face but smart lol
Yeah, if Sanji fights a person with diamond devil fruit power, he would push him into the sea or something, if Zoto fights the same guy, he would become the person who can cut diamond instead Zoro even if he has high battle I.Q. he doesnt use it in a fight, he uses the fight to become stronger
I would still put Usopp in first place, although I see your point with chopper, and would have probably ranked him last if it weren't for your video. I also would switch Zoro and Jinbei, and Franky and Brook. Your pride getting in the way of fighting smart should definitely deduct battle IQ points. So my list (after watching your video) would be as follows: 1. Usopp 2. Chopper 3. Sanji 4. Nami 5. Luffy 6. Jinbei 7. Robin 8. Brook 9. Franky 10. Zoro I'm a Zoro fan, and I'm sure he would win against any straw hat (except luffy) in a fight, but his fighting style just doesn't "allow" for a great display of battle IQ.
If you think Luffy’s the best, just remember that Luffy in East Blue Saga was going in even more brut force than Zoro Luffy fought Don Krieg and thought that the best strategy to beat him was "hit him more and harder" It worked, don't get me wrong... But you can’t convince me this was a smart idea
The Chopper pick doesn’t sit right with me. There’s no battle IQ or creativity to using scope, it just a hack that tells him “this is the weakness”. Chopper isn’t very smart or creative outside of that, he doesn’t even go straight to using scope in fights. If he had high battle IQ wouldn’t he immediately go to use scope and create an opening to use it? I’m sure Oda doesn’t want to simplify Chopper’s fights with an insta scope and KO right away, which is the same thing that happens with Robin not using her broken power but with her she’s ranked 7 because of it and Chopper 1…
That ussop vs luffy fight was more about emotion that anything else. If not for that Luffy would beat Ussop much faster as you can see he was holding back in some ways.
I think the chin weak point does actually make sense in a deducible way though, in that with the combined form, performing an uppercut on the chin hits both heads at once, knocking them both out. You could eventually figure that out in battle without a computer-type analysis.
My arguement for zoro being the lowest Battle iq - the ability to understand an opponents weakness or how they fight to your advantage Zoro as the video says has always just attacked harder and often just self improves to win My argument is that he was even able to recognise the identical abilities of the lunarians from the serephim until well into there fight And the reaction of other characters show that with the evidence he had he should have instantly known , even luffy said it was obvious
That barley counts as that was more of an gag. Besides, that doesn't undermine all of the other examples of him having good battles IQ like in fight against Mr.1, Pica, and King.
Robin & post timeskip Nami don't have normal levels of strength by irl standards. Characters in one piece just operate under different logic. A normal human would get turned into paste if they got hit by most attacks from Ulti or Black Maria.
I actually crack up every time Usopp's arsenal is describe as 'bullsh*t.' Because you know what? It is. That said, it kind of highlights how boring he got after the Pop Greens upgrade.
I really disagree with Chopper = 1 , imo Usopp is definitely 1 i would Rank chopper 2 Chopper winning 1st position is based solely on his ability '' Scope '' So what happened to that ability against Kumadori ? we have 2 possibilities 1 / Scope is OP and it can truly find Weakness and counter it , but he chooses not to use it against Kumadori and also not Spam it in every battle '' and don't tell me Kumadori doesn't have weaknesses '' ( its Kumadori not Kaido Also he's too dumb to not have Weaknesses ) 2 / Scope isn't an OP ability that can simply work every time and against everyone to find random weaknesses. it only works when the opponent has an actual exploitable weakness ( what you said at 22:01 is wrong ) For 1 it means he have OP ability and he doesn't use it which is indicative of a lack of IQ battle , puts him in the same case as Robin. me personally i think the 2nd supposition is the logical one chopper used his ability 3 times ( 2 of those are logical weaknesses that any smart person would have thought of ) And against the Duo you are claiming that the ability transcended logic and instantly found a random weakness but that's not the case at all, i think its natural to come to that conclusion, a person's chin is always a weak point ''if you chose to watch / read Hajime no Ippo instead of Vagabond '' you would know that XD and in that case his attack hit them in a way that he was able to damage both of their chins in the same time with 1 attack. So in my opinion Chopper's ability is not as OP as you make it sound, its true he's still able to find any exploitable Weakness instantly , and that is kind of OP , but when he's up against anyone without an obvious weakness '' Kumadori '' for example the ability is useless or again why didn't Chopper scan '' the average zombie in thriller bark ? '' and if he did would he have instantly acquired the knowledge that they are weak against Salt ? I really doubt that . But when it comes to Usopp his '' Organic human process of gradual trial and error '' mixed with his ingenuity and creativeness makes him clearly number 1 in my opinion.
Chopper sees this morj video and brings back brain point to find out the gorosei's weakness . That's why he's kept away from them so far . MVP of egghead loading.
This video just reminds me how much I hate what they've done to Chopper. Bring back Toni Chopper Chopper from pre time skip before he became a merch character! I MISS WATCHING MY REINDEER GOING FROM SCAREDY CAT TO THE KAKASHI OF ONE PIECE WHEN HE GOT SERIOUS!!!
