ALL Engineers & Space Jockeys Explained 

Can we just get a trilogy of Engineer movies written and directed by Kroft?

Loved Prometheus, Really upset we didn't get a true sequel.

I really like the idea that they are all different, and the engineers in Planet 4 are a creation from the Prometheus engineers, i just hope we get a Covenant sequel

Always a pleasure listening to your content on alien lore

Bro this is amazing work thanks for continuing to push forward and find Lore.

Hope they explore more about the engineers in the next alien movie, thanks for the vid kroft

I love the engineer storyline and your in depth coverage of it. You work really hard putting these videos together. Hopefully you'll get the recognition you deserve soon I'd love to see your channel blow up!

I want this engineer’s work out routine 💪

Hi Kroft. Just wanted to make sure you are aware that Prometheus fan Mark McAllister has now admitted to writing the 'early draft script' you refer to in this video (and many others). It's been known for a long time that it was a fan made script, but it's helpful to have confirmation that the guy we all suspected of being the real author actually was.

Thanks for all the hard work in creating this content time after time. I truly believe you should be part of the screen writing process on all Alien movies to come.

I think you're giving these Alien/Prometheus Sequel/Prequels too much credit for putting this much thought into 'em

But Kroft it’s bed time😮

Hi, I really like your videos on engineers, I’ve watched them all! Despite the criticism of Promotheus and Alien Covenants I still found that the story of the engineers and the origin story of the xenomorph was very interesting, a lot of people didn't like it these films there are too many LORE The spectators don't like it, they watch the film and Tik tok at the same time, what they want is creatures and jumps because there's no interesting story...... Thank you very much for continuing to explain the enigmatic behavior of engineers, David the android your videos are fascinating!!! I hope you excuse my very bad English I'm a stupid French guy 🤪😁🤘🏼💥👌🏼☮️

Thanks Kraft! I loved these movies, I wish we could get a third to finish out the trilogy.

It makes sense to believe Ridley Scott wanted David to be the origin of biomechanic Xenomorphs by breeding one. That's precisely the idea that he explored in "Raised by wolves", where "mother", an android, gives birth to a bio-mechanical, flying snake of sorts.

I'm happy you said that their based on the Annunaki. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the Engineers at the beginning of the movie. For those that don't know the story: The Annunaki came to earth from what we see called "Planet 9". or back in the day called Nibiru or Planet X. This planet has a massive elliptical orbit of thousands of years and only close to earth every 3600 of years or so. Well getting close to Earths orbit the Annunaki at the time used their primitive space ships and rocketed to earth to mine gold to fix their atmosphere. Eventually their workers rebelled and created a hybrid of primitive humans and half Annunaki. Leading to the first homo-sapiens, or modern humans today. The first humans could not re-produce and lived a Hella long time. However, they eventually changed our genome again giving us the ability to reproduce hence Adam and eve. Eventually Adam and eve stole ability to know the different between good and evil, and the wisdom of the gods getting them kicked out of Enki's Eden. Eventually the Annunaki got sick of our shit and our shellfish nature and decided it was time to wipe the slate clean and cause the great flood. Note: Gold blocks infrared and ultraviolet radiation which is why its used in a lot of space crafts and satellites today. Note 2: Astro physics today are seeing massive gravitation anomalies in our outer solar system today that conclude their must be a massive object that is causing gravity at the end of the solar system to go nuts. Note3: Scientist over in iraq area found a layer in the soil that would prove their was a massive flood about 12 thousand years ago, but limited to the area. u.osu.edu/vanzandt/2019/03/01/zecharia-sitchin-and-our-alien-anecestors/comment-page-1/ Also a quick thing: I posted in another one of Kroft video's about those aliens that David destroyed point for point, so its amazing to see on the screen as well :D Those aliens if created the way we were would evolve the same way we did to survive earth. There skin color, heights, movements and eye color would all evolve over time to fit the environment they live.

David birthing xenomorph solves several questions for me. I like it.

Where are you from Kroft? Btw love your videos

OMG...wonderful expose, bringing more relevant details than most could sensibly surmise by watching the movies! You've certainly identified plenty of logical possibilities for new, big screen stories. Great work, Kroft!

Never clicked on a video so fast! - KT blessing us with another Alien/Prometheus/Alien : Covenant video!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Kroft. Thank you for the, as always, very thorough research. I aprreciate your work and your time.

Excited to watch as soon as it came up! My son and I love your vids , thanks man ! 🍻🪐👽

Thank you for still posting on this franchise!

so glad i found this channel!!!!!!!

Such an entertaining and informative video. Thanks Kroft

Thanks for covering this topic! For me, it was very informative.

your videos on Alien and Engineers are the best!! I enjoy them so much.. Liked and subscribed!

Kroft is that dude 💯💯💯

Your videos are beautyfull, i bet you had so much work on this, it's so well done

Thanks Kroft for another great video ! I think if if another prequel is made ( l really hope so) you could definitely be of great benefit on their team.

Although I do like hearing various theories, I liked it better when nothing was known about the space jockey, which is in part what made Alien as epic as it is.

Yo, just wanna say I love your work :)

Thank you for your dedication to this, I love it 👊😎💯

Your videos are awesome man, thank you! Keep it up!

Perfect timing , love these videos

thank you for this video, I love anything about the engineers 🙏

Thank you for this very detailed video

Missed your Alien videos. Glad to see you're back.

Thanks dude, nice to hear from you

Always good when new Kroft comes out.

I love your videos! I’m super happy when they come out I’m a big fan of alien etc and your videos the music you use in the background is so ominous and makes the alien universe feel so real and deep! Keep using this song! I try to download it places but you can only find it on the free website I can’t download it there😂 I hope we get a really good sequel with more engineers like they said we would and find out more of the story I fear we will never find out more

Amazing work brother thank you 👍

Ah Man, I've been subscribed to your channel far many years now and somehow the algoritm keeps pushing your vids everytime you upload a Prometheus themed video. I lov your content and I still hold hope Scott will get another crack on the trilogy. Keep um coming bro!

My boi Kroft delivers every time 🔥 keep up the good work bro 😁 i rly like your videos

The Engineers and the Space Jockey from the original Alien are different sizes simply because Ridley wanted a large person to play an Engineer. Maybe down the line, theyll make something up to explain the difference.

Amazing work... thanks 👍

The Engineer at the end of Covenant had this special type of bio-mechanical suit, but the detail that caught my eye is said suite was the neck. It shows that the suit may be more "integral" to the user's body than just an outfit.

I love Kroft talks about Alien movie lore.

your voice is relaxing mate keep it up

I like the idea of the space jockey being a race that the engineers look up to, mimicking their ways & technology meaning David's version of the xenomorphs are just another strain of the originals we haven't discovered yet.

Love these vids bruh don't stop

Let’s go another video!!!

Thank you so much 😊

Its a good day when kroft awakens from criosleep to tell us interesting sci fi facts. Thank you kroft

In regards to what information we have we have to be Careful of the one Script (Orange) it is likely a Fan Edit, as Lindeloff had confirmed that the other two are the only ones released out there and they lacked some of the Elements of the Orange Draft. But indeed while not supporting that Draft... Ian Whyte and Michael Fassbender did have a Longer back and Forth Conversation but we dont have the details of what was said. Daniel Twiss (Sacrificial Engineer) had learned a few lines of a Alien Language and had a small Conversation with the Elder Engineer but this was never shown... one Page from a unreleased Draft had a bit of this Dialog... but it was not as Long as the Orange Draft which is very likely to be Fan Additions.

I Love the movie Prometheus! Because there is no simple answer to all that!

That would be a fascinating concept mirroring gigers idea of biomechanical life

Wasnt that interested in the alien movies until i found your channel. Very informative 👏

Time to rise and shine here 🤙

Much love.

Just when I thought there are no new interesting videos available on Alien ❤

We definitely need another film,love ridley scotts work esp in newer alien films

Thanks you

Prometheus was so good ofc not anywhere near alien & aliens but nothing is for a prequel it was insanely good. ❤️ Hate how everyone hates it.

david being the jockey in alien 1 makes so much sense. cuz if david created the xenomorph it explains how they got to the planet in Alien 1. wouldn't've make sense if it was an engineer now that we know the xenomorph origin

Good Video!!!❤

Would love to see you cover the beings at the end of alien dark descent and the idea of space jockies being a seperate species that the engineers may have stumbled across - saw lots on reddit about this idea

I would like to know when is the next instalment of this brilliant series of movies going to be released. I can only hope that it’s going to be released in the movie theatre. Not on a subscription service. Thanks for posting. I always look forward to analysis👍👍👍

In Alien fireteam elite game there are space jockeys, pathogen goo jars and other Prometheus concepts. You should check it out when you can.

Pre re-marketing of the the Alien Franchise within a film platform, the original space jockey was much more enigmatic, and I think much more outreaching and innovative in concept. The information given, and the knowledge that we have about the xenomorphs to this point( and lets remember that this just a film) suggest that they mimic/combine with their last host to assist them in adapting to their new environment. A great survival mechanism. I always supposed that the original very large "space jockey" was somehow part of a species that adapted their form to meet their needs as they arose, or were somehow genetically engineered to meet a particular task. Now let's look at a scenario where the space jockey and the ship are one, it appears that the jockey is part and parcel of the ship itself. This entire "ship" is an adaptation that arose for space travel, much like ant/termite alates have wings that assist in a particular task, reproduction, this species needs the juggonaught/jockey to achieve space travel, hence the continuity of the biomechanical appearance of the entire ship. It's organic, an entity that has a specific task. Now add this biomechanics entemogical type into the xenomorphs pool and you get the Xenomorph that we now know. I thought that the whole shrinking of the jockey and the other blatant changes of the Alien lore to create these increasingly inferior films cheapened and drastically minimised some very grand and innovative concepts from the original film. Seemed like a Groundhog Day of action drama cliches in the end.

I'm sure that other people have speculated about the Engineer's space ships in the past but I haven't seen that yet. I think that there are definitely (at least) two engineer factions based on their space ship designs. The faction that creates life has a space ship that is a round disc. The faction that destroys life has a space ship that is shaped like the letter C. The inside of a C is a round disc. Also, the two different space ships are made out of a different materials. That is probably representative of their different ideology.

Considering the Xeno's always "cocoon" the hosts I wonder if the appearance of the original jockey had something to do with them attempting to encase it without being able to move it

Kroft huge fan

The concept drawings shown in the video were not designed for the Alien movie, have nothing to do with Ridley Scott, and are not his original creation. These are the original art designs of the artist "H.R. Giger" and were later published under the name Necronomicon. The reason why these were designed as concepts is Jodorowsky's adaptation of Dune. Regardless of the Alien story, the backstory of Space Jockey is actually quite interesting. To understand this, it is necessary to know how Alien was born. First of all, Dan O'Bannon wrote the screenplay for this story. The main theme was formed in his mind. In summary, the concept is "the story of a scary alien creature that is an oral rapist", that's exactly it, yes. O'Bannon created this in his mind while working on Jodorowsky's Dune, which was unfinished but shaped the science fiction productions of the next 30 years, including Star Wars. Crazy Jodorowsky's crazy adaptation of Dune (Jodorovsky's movie would have been longer than 10 hours) did not happen, but the story boards remained, and he was the man who best designed the story board concept, scene by scene. Anyway, Salvador Dali, who will portray the Sultan emperor Shaddam IV for Dune, also hired his (true) friend H.R Giger, because the director wanted crazy art designs for this dark Dune adaptation. What is Space Jockey? Who is he? He is a Space Guild navigator. They live in a tank, constantly consuming melange, they used to be humanoid, but they are no longer human. It has elongated tentacle limbs. Giger's navigators were like this, a symbiont adjacent to the ship, which was also organic. Melange flows into his body from those pipes. Thus, these evolving beings can take their spaceships to another part of space by using the Holtzman effect. Artificial intelligence was prohibited in the Dune universe, so the ships were also designed organically in the adaptation. Giger, a great artist with terrible organic mechanical works, was hired for this job, upon Dali's suggestion. It didn't become a movie, but when the project was taken from the crazy bohemian director Jodorowsky, it was given to Ridley Scott before going to Lynch. When Scott realized the magnitude of the task, he also left the project, due to tragic personal reasons (I remember his brother died, but I'm not sure). Anyway, when it came up again as the Alien story, everything Giger had drawn for this concept (the Necronomicon series, etc., including the creatures from the Alien and Species series) was put into use. Giger redesigned these while Alien was being made. There are no engineers in the original movie anyway. Giger's space jockey appears as an alien in the form of an alien elephant, and he is actually Dune's navigator. The pyramid palace is the palace of Harkonnen. Giger also designed it in the most terrifying forms: egg-shaped, fat and ugly Harkonnen's head-shaped versions. Then, in Prometheus, engineers made that elephant-headed alien into a removable breathing helmet that looks like a human. The reason for the telescope-like object that Space Jockey is looking at is that navigators manipulate space-time intuitively (using mélange) by seeing with their eyes.

What a cool video! Kroft's RU-vid channel has really boosted my understanding and appreciation of the Alien etc movies and media. I don't really worry about Scott changing his mind about backstory/lore, and inconsistencies. That said, I do like speculating. I like to think of the Engineers as all religious/prejudiced to some degree, in that they are disastrously prejudiced against synthetic life form creation. In my interpretation, David follows their lead, because David has a deep hatred of his creators so he does not wish to copy their method of creating new life. David has no idea of any other ways to create life, though, so he copies the methods of the Engineers. The irony is that synthetics truly were the next evolutionary leap forward, as seen in Alien: Resurrection. While previous generations of synths were flawed, they improved themselves by creating new synths themselves. I like to think that this was a future that the Engineers anticipated, but they were horrified at the possibilities due to their prejudices. They would rather die out than allow synthetics to succeed them. Of course, the synth Cole is not the only "survivor" in Alien: Resurrection. There's also the hybrid Ripley, which can be seen as the ultimate success of the Engineer's biological approach. Either way, it's deeply ironic that the Engineers judged humanity unworthy, because ultimately humans succeeded where they failed - both in creating successful synthetic life, and succeeding in hybridizing xenomorph DNA into humanoid life.

Hope Ridley Scott gets to complete the story he has envisioned in his mind as I liked both Prometheus and Alien: Covenant. I loved how they are prequels, yet not really at all; being stories told in the same universe just a bit earlier in history. It is clear to me that the derelict ship on LV-426 came from the same event depicted holographically on LV-223 (during Prometheus), so the Xenomorph eggs found in Alien and again by Newt's parents in Aliens, were deposited by Xenomorphs as created by the Engineers. I am curious to see what David does with his variant of Xenomorphs, naturally he would build a hive out of the colonists at the colony they are supposed to be making on Oregai 6, but we may never know.

Kroft youre are the mf man bro !! 💚 still dropping that fire no cap ! Keep up the great work 🙇🏻‍♂️

It would be really interesting to find out David was actually the Space Jockey from Alien 😮

The Dark descent game has its own massive xeno birthed from a gigantic engineer. Not much detail explained but it’s I guess an ancient engineer race.

The Biomechanical "Suits" seem to be part of the body. What if those engineers are the bioengineered equivalent of Droids? Doing those "jobs" that are dangerous. The sacrificial one could be a "perfect" being one created to do exactly what he did in the movie. If they lost the ability to recreate naturaly, then that could explain why they possibly do it that way. Oh and if Scott mentioned that other engineers would return to paradise, then it is possibly that the inhabitants simply assumed it was them and not a psychopathic human constructed droid.

Best video

At 8:23 the arrow points to "two elder engineers" but what about all the other ones in the background?

I like the theory which describes the whole juggernaut as a giant seed (it's actually similar to the Calendula flower seed). This seed travels through the universe, finds suitable planet, cleans it up with xenomorphs or black gue, and plants itself to grow new juggernauts, which will repeat the process. Two species live in symbiosis: 1) juggernaut ship/seed with a pilot been grown just as an integral part of it; 2) xenomorphs. Both help each other to spread. Similar to what we have in nature, but on the interstellar level. The origin of how this organism could appear is another story.

When David was such a big character in the trailers for Prometheus I really thought he'd have got facehugged and the mix of his body would create a biomorph alien. Could have done it in one movie LOL

It's awesome to see someone still talking about these movies. I would love if Ridley Scott just explained it all instead of leaving it up in the air. Hopefully, Alien: Romulus doesn't disappoint 🤞

I identify as an engineer 😂

The Original Space Jockey was a Enigma, the way it was Crafted we could not Quite work out what was the Pilot and what was the Chair... the Space Jockey had gone through Changes, originally yes they were a Race of Space Explorers. With latter Ridley Grams (Story Board) showing the Skeletal remains of another Outside. But when RS got HR Giger in to Design the Space Jockey the Concept he came up with looked more like a Suit.... the actual Prop was Painted in a more Bone Colour which led to many Speculate and Interpret the Space Jockey as the Skeletal remains of a Giant Race. However some Elements of the Skeleton do not match what Bones should look like... but hey this is Sci-Fi. Other Concept work by HR Giger indeed indicated that the Space Jockey was a Bald Humanoid in a Space Suit.

What is the name of the song/piece of music used at the beginning please?

whats the name of the backgroung music being played please?

Where would I find the comics? Also how many is there? I’ve tried to find the Prometheus comics online but they’re a lil tricky to find I’d love to get a more in depth story not just from the movies

I very much preferred the elephantine jockey and the original jockey. The mystery surrounding them and that they were so alien compared to humans. It made the xenomorphs even scarier. The original space jockey gave hints of being very ancient and thus hinted that xenomorphs were ancient as well. It gave this feeling that space were truly big and scary. The latest movies destroyed this, making the jockeys and the origin of of the xenomorphs a lot less alien.

15.40: Dunno' if this has been brought up, but note the DNA shape of the vials drop together.

If only the people making the movies cared a fraction of the amount this guy cares the alien franchise

I swear, this movie is very very similar to the talks Timothy Leary gave about star seeds. Very similar concept and themes about advanced beings seeding life on other planets

I like the idea that the engineers we see in Covenant are a colony. Their architecture is impressive but not so impressive that it compares to even ancient Rome. I just don't see how their city wouldn't be more impressive if their civilization existed for hundreds of thousands, or millions of years. I think their home world wouldn't be glass towers and tech like ours but like ancient Rome on steroids. Marble and stone structures integrated nicely with nature and would look something like heaven

I find it implausible that an advanced race like the engineers would not be able to clone and otherwise molecularly engineer something as biologically simple as a creature's blood.

Another possibility is that the "engineers" are no clear cut species and just are genetically engineered workers for another alien race. This alien race disappeared leaving them behind only one specimen - the deacon. They used him to procreate as all "engieers" were originally genetically engineered. That would explain why they have similiar style but different technology.

I want to see a lone engineerer fighting an entire yutani army in a video game

Please Ridley Scott continue the Origin story. I wanna what happened to David and to the rest of the engineers.

No more xenomorphs please. Just give us a trilogy of the Engineers storyline. That story had so much potential. Could've been the best sci-fi material ever.