All I Really Want is for Jagged Little Pill to make amends

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@stormfischerr 2 года назад

trans person here. Lauren referring to her own gender experiences is likely gender EXPRESSION (clothes, makeup, hair, etc.), not gender IDENTITY (inner personal feelings about how you want to live and be perceived). presenting in a way that does not conform to your gender identity does NOT change your identity.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

Oh my goodness you explained this perfectly, thank you so much!! ♥️♥️

@pingidjit 2 года назад

I'd like to add, as one of the lesbian cis women out there that prefer to dress outside my gender stereotypes, is that they are just that, stereotypes. Gender is not the objects/attire we choose to adorn ourselves in. Gender is not a choice. The things a person chooses to wear is vastly different from the gender identity they are. Neither cis nor trans women have to wear a dress to be female. And if that makes society uncomfortable, too bad. LOL Lauren thinking that her desire to wear more masculine clothes in any way makes her an equivalent to trans or gender non conforming identities is just plain wrong.

@AllyGatorAnimator 2 года назад

This is spot on. I would add the caveat that gender expression can lead to people discovering more about their gender identity, or at the very least have people ask questions about their identity and want to know more about themselves. (e.g. wanting to explore your gender identity because you feel comfortable expressing yourself outside of deeply-engrained stereotypes isn't necessarily farfetched), but the difference is, as you said, what you truly feel within yourself after asking those questions and how you want to live. Lauren's made the mistake of assuming expression is a direct equivalent. (EDIT: Fixed the last sentence because it was a bit misleading).

@nicholaslarussa 2 года назад

The picture of “Lauren at the tonys” has me hollering 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

Don’t know what you mean 😏

@morganwespiser275 2 года назад

Non-binary actor here! Thank you so much for discussing this show and all of these issues, it is so validating to know my anger is shared across the theatre community. Because of this and many other gripes I've had with the Tonys recently, this was actually the first time in my life I didn't watch. It is so disheartening to see this organization and all of these professionals I've admired for so long enabling such awful behavior. Their arrogance and entitlement about the whole thing just makes it so much worse.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

Thank you so much for watching Morgan! Have to say, I also didn’t watch all of the tonys this year - just tried to catch bits so I could make this video and it just made me so angry. There’s a long way to go before we can consider Broadway to be a truly safe and welcome place for everyone. Sending you love ♥️

@emilysampson5583 2 года назад

As someone who loves the music from the original Alannis Morissette album, I was initially really excited to hear that it had been turned into a musical, as she is one of my favourite singers. However, after watching your previous video on the lies of the creative team behind the show, my excitement turned to horror. Trans and non-binary identities are not brownie points, they are people's lives and should be treated with the utmost respect. Thank you Amy for your honest and insightful commentary on this trainwreck of a show!!!

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

I’m the same, I loved the original music so much and I do love a jukebox musical! I’d intended on seeing the show on my trip to nyc that got cancelled cause of covid before I knew what was going on. It’s just so upsetting isn’t it ♥️

@emilysampson5583 2 года назад

@@AmyLovatt1 Completely agree. There is no excuse for it. I actually find it quite difficult to listen to You Oughta Know off the original album now :(

@SM-BSW 2 года назад

Cosign all of this. The jagged little pill album was integral to my tweens and teens. That said, the abuse, gaslighting, toxic work environment, and nb erasure is inexcusable. Also, Lauren's outfit was an affront to my sense of taste.

@Argeaux2 Год назад

As a nonbinary person, and a fan of the show, I find your videos offensive. I have no problem with a cis woman playing an enby character.

@erikandchristine102 2 года назад

The Tony’s felt like a shallow farce and they truly were. There were barely any nominees and that fact that Lauren still won is horrible. The system needs to change. They need to be held accountable for doing basically nothing.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

Totally agree

@jimpiaggi210 11 месяцев назад

Lauren is awesome. Quit whining.

@jessiekarlish296 2 года назад

As if I couldn’t love Julie Andrews more. Just… a queen. Edit: Also, you are not too angry or overreacting, Amy. You’re dead on, and I appreciate you and your videos so much. ♥️

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

She really is the MVP

@jessiekarlish296 2 года назад

@@AmyLovatt1 Agreed.

@pingidjit 2 года назад

Wait, I must have missed the Julie Andrews bit. Do you perhaps remember the timestamp?

@dynamicraspberry2007 2 года назад

Especially when you remember that the reason Julie declined the Tony was because she felt the rest of the cast had been disrespected.

@cadyfitzgerald3273 2 года назад

@@pingidjit 14:54 😊

@candiedcockroaches 2 года назад

As a lesbian who isn’t cis (I label myself as a demigirl), I was really hurt when seeing what happened with JLP. Lesbians who identify as non binary are still lesbians and they deserve to be represented too. It just feels very icky of them to erase that part of the story.

@MadameCorgi 2 года назад

Yes! Many of the lesbians I know don't identify as cis because cis-womanhood is largely centered around being with a man. Nonbinary lesbians are so common and deserve representation

@chelsea_sarfo6388 2 года назад

@@MadameCorgi not lesbian, but I'm pan and a nonbinary girl and there was a whole discourse going on in tiktok trying to say there is no such thing as nonbinary lesbians. Which is bull because what do people think the orange stripe in the lesbian flag stands for!?🤨

@mannyoftheeast3318 2 года назад

That literally makes no sense lol

@candiedcockroaches 2 года назад

@@mannyoftheeast3318 “lesbians who identify as non binary are still lesbians” makes no sense? The orange stripe in the lesbian pride flag means nonbinary and gnc lesbians. I’m not going to start an argument though. Identities are not up for debate.

@mannyoftheeast3318 2 года назад

@@candiedcockroaches Yeah they are, just because I identify as a fully red and green doesn't make it sensible or respectable. Saying someone is a non-binary lesbian is fucking stupid because being a lesbian means being a woman that's sexually attracted to other women, so how can a person that doesn't identify as a woman be a lesbian? Y'all just be out here respecting whatever bullshit to be politically correct 😭

@mercedesfernandezpazos6508 2 года назад

Regarding what Aaron said, he started that phrase with "let's continue to strive for..", implying there's work to be done, I don't think he meant the industry was already doing it right. I understand what you mean, but I don't think him staying on Moulin Rouge, (a show that even with all the flaws Karen mentioned, is nowhere near as harmful as JLP) is comparable with Lauren staying in JLP.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

I don’t think it’s comparable either and I definitely wasn’t comparing them. I was just trying to say how I felt more disappointed in the show overall this year. ♥️

@rachelshort614 2 года назад

As someone who is currently going to school for stage management, what happened to Nora absolutely sickens me. Their health should have came first and they should have been allowed to have that surgery, no questions asked. I'm currently stage managing a play at my old middle school as a part of my service learning project, and with everything that's happening with Covid, if one of those kids ever came up to me and told me they weren't feeling well, my first instinct would be to talk to the people who run the after school program who oversee rehearsals and the director of the show. Health and safety should be the priority of anyone in any workplace. I know not all people who go to school for stage management end up having that as a life long career (good stage managers only go so far, but great stage managers can do it for the rest of their lives) but those who do have that privilege should always have the well being of their actors, stage crew, and everyone else in between in mind. The fact that Ira Mont didn't advocate for Nora's health and well being goes to show where his loyalties lie. Jagged Little Pill at this point is just a huge mess and will be one of the shows that goes down in history for being insensitive to the trans/non-binary community. If this isn't any indication that our industry needs many big changes asap, I don't know what is.

@JustPeachie22 Год назад

Ohhhh I didn't expect to walk into a Lauren hate fest..... no offensive to anyone, but in my opinion she rocked that role, and it is one of my favorite numbers of all time.

@danielateco4272 2 года назад

I don't know if this relevant, but I'm also extremely disappointed in how some of the most notorious cast members (Kathryn Gallager, Derek Klena) have said absolutely nothing (at least that I know of, correct me if I'm wrong) about the controversies

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

I’ve been looking and I’ve not seen anything from them which is suuuuuuper disappointing

@lindsaym.h.3583 2 года назад

I think this is a scandal that has so many levels of bad that the LAST thing Lauren Patten should have done was draw more attention to it at the Tonys. A character being changed from non-binary to cis in the move from off-Broadway to Broadway is not good and it's problematic. It is not the most shocking thing that has ever happened between workshops. I think if that was the ONLY thing that had happened people would be upset and angry, but it probably would have faded. The gaslighting and lecturing and twisting what was and wasn't fact was far worse to me in terms of trying to court a community for their money while not being truthful about their intentions. Then adding in all the negligent health stuff is just ANOTHER layer. Then adding in Lauren's attempts to cover for herself that were horribly misguided. Then to open your Tony speech that way - just no. No.

@HopeWilson1 2 года назад

As a non cis person it makes it increasingly more difficult to enjoy the great parts of this show. I made a video on this from my perspective but I want to thank you for being more or less objective on the subject, when I found out Lauren Patten won, I cried and was utterly heartbroken, and the fact she thanked us just hurt the community more than it did help it. Also I love the pic of Lauren you know what I mean ;)

@NeonJ1 2 года назад

The entire community? As a member of the Gay community, we are pretty divided on similar issues, after all we arnt a monolith. I would hate for someone to speak on my behalf to push a narrative, as it would be a lie.

@sailorjaviera 2 года назад

It's hard to believe that after ALL, Lauren decided to accept the award. I actually can't understand how and why she did it. Was she forced to accept it like if nothing happened? Was it her own decision? Does she really understand what she did there? Even if she doesn't give a shoe about trans and non-binary community, is her ego THAT big that she needed this award instead of taking the chance of getting a little peace after the controversy? At this point, keep trying to save this show it's just a stupid decision. Talking about the fact that JLP is problematic, it makes me mad how people ignore that Frankie is a terrible character too, very offensive to bisexual women. She is basically a stereotype of bisexual women being cheaters. And the way it has been ignored, only shows that Broadway and Broadway fans don't really care about bisexuals and, once again, about women. I hope people start talking about this too; another reason to jlp to shut down.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

Totally agree on both points! I mentioned in my previous video about the bi cheating trope with Frankie and how bad that was! The show is badly written in so many ways!

@sailorjaviera 2 года назад

@@AmyLovatt1 Exactly! And there's no way they can save the show while it's still on run. The problem is not about some "details", it's the whole thing. It seems everybody see this, except them. Btw, it's always nice to watch your videos, Amy. We need more people with the courage to criticize in order to make Broadway (and the world) a better place for everyone ❤️

@sara.bill.y 2 года назад

Tbh the first point you make is what confuses me the most. Let's be as cynical as we can, shall we? Let's say she doesn't care. She doesn't care about the issue, about representation, nothing. But. Wouldn't it be MUCH better press if she left the show and turned down the Tony? She could have made a big statement, promise to be more careful about her roles in the future blablabla. I mean, it probably would have been the biggest headline of the night. Also, nobody could have told her she was wrong without passing as transphobic themselves! I know it's an ugly thing to say, but... Even for selfish reasons, she still could have done the right thing.

@stormfischerr 2 года назад

YES THE WAY FRANKIE IS WRITTEN IS HORRIFYING

@sailorjaviera 2 года назад

@@sara.bill.y EXACTLY. i felt bad for her at the beginning because the company put her in this whole situation. But when people tries to educate you and show you how wrong things are, and you decided to ignore it, that's on you. Then she tried to fix it, but not completely. And then she made things worst... It's just-

@Tails1 2 года назад

The idea that this character is nb is huge for broadway. I dream of playing Fieryo or another male character one day but I have known it will never happen due to my sex being female. (Sex is how you were physically born as, Gender is how you identify) and as a nb person, this is something that we have all had to come to terms with. So with Jo being a nb person, it means that a nb person whose sex is male could also play them as much as I could. They would change keys maybe for songs and all that but it opens the conversation about gendered casting. I could play Fieryo whose character is a boy and I would play him as a boy but the keys could be changed for it to work. It would make casting fluid and that is a beautiful idea. We do it all the time in theater for kids so the idea we could do it on a bigger stage is something I hope to see more of. Jagged Little Pill missed a huge chance to prove this point to many Broadway producers and didn't. It is so sad to me as a nb person but I hope this is not the end for this idea.

@wwozanewmusical 2 года назад

Simon, keep your eyes open if your in New York or London, cause a new Oz musical based solely on Baum's book is coming down the pipes, and the Oz characters will be all sexes and genders, and such. you will get to be in the Emerald City one day soon.

@MelancholyRain 2 года назад

I felt so bad for Nora when I read their Twitter post. JLP should seriously be shut down for good and make room for shows that actively help and listen to their cast, but also isn’t harmful to the Non binary community

@Callmekatielee 2 года назад

Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on this one- was looking forward to this since they won.

@MLEbug 2 года назад

Did anyone elses video freeze at 17:50 all the way to the end? I've tried refreshing but no dice.

@pixsdomain4886 2 года назад

It's the same for me lol

@sorandvd 2 года назад

All of these problems that people are only now noticing about the Tony's, I feel, have always been there. Considering how much the general population have started to really look into celebrities and celebrity culture during the pandemic and noticing how dissociated all of these celebrities are from the rest of us, I also don't find it surprising. It just seems like a lot of this activism talk coming some of the bigger powers in broadway just feel so performative and it really really sucks. I love this art form, I really do. But man, you can tell just how much people really don't care about these issues unless they can gain something from it.

@downstageright3298 2 года назад

Wow, this is legit the first time I've heard neo pronouns used in casual conversation. That's really cool.

@ericanicolee909 2 года назад

I live in Boston and saw the ART production. I loved it and was initially thrilled to see it transition to Broadway (I even told friends that I thought Lauren could win the tony for just her performance of You Oughta Know.) But I am so disappointed and disgusted with everything that has happened with Lauren and the show ever since. It has ruined any good the show was trying to inspire. Now that’s ironic.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

Totally ironic!!!

@shaunblake2215 2 года назад

*Belts "its like rainy aiiin....." Oh sorry maybe nows not the time

@thomasconnolly6742 2 года назад

Just judging by the title I 10000000000% agree

@ghostsomenswho 2 года назад

If you're cis, and you know a role is for someone under the trans umbrella, and there are many trans/nonbinary people auditioning for the same show, why are you taking that role? It is unfair to everyone- I say this as a cis person with many trans friends, and I understand if it's a huge role, but there are thousands of cis roles to audition for in every show and only a few trans/non binary roles.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

This

@caitlinlily556 2 года назад

I'm so disappointed in the tony's...not surprised...but disappointed

@rinmitchell6034 2 года назад

As someone with PCOS who is non-binary, constantly having to refer to my biology when explaining the condition is SO rough. Not to mention, the pain that comes with it is enough to send people to the hospital, they were probably in agony.

@yayshowvids6427 2 года назад

There's no such thing as "too angry" when it comes to injustice - only not angry enough. Thank you for using your platform to call this out and keep this show's feet to the fire. Broadway and theater at large has GOT to do better, but they won't unless they're forced to by public opinion.

@jimpiaggi210 11 месяцев назад

The trans community tried to destroy jk Rowling and the launch of her hogwarts game. It’s sold over a billion dollars and a record number of units. You are .03% of the population. No one gives a shit.

@jessicajarrett1879 2 года назад

I just have to say, the way you approach this sensitive topic with such grace and articulation is very inspriing for this ally who is still learning. Thank you xx

@bhusar1 2 года назад

And regarding Nora, Actors Equity allows this and Ira is the VP of Actors Equity who should no better. That’s why, yeah, Broadway is back, but I am not 100 percent enthused with it and the fact that the main Actors union is not doing anything.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

Totally with you Brian

@katy-hn2jm 2 года назад

I'm really glad that youre covering this, especially with such detail as I hadn't heard anything about this beforehand even though it is incredibly important to me (as a non binary lesbian). I hate to see things like this happening, especially due to the lack of understanding of trans and non binary folk

@starace4031 2 года назад

Amy you are amazing. You are an amazing trans and non binary ally and your coverage on this sensitive topic is really appreciated. 😊💖

@misskit123 2 года назад

This is a great video. Is anyone else having a problem playing the end of it? The last minute or so won't play for me.

@kathrynlawrence503 2 года назад

same here!

@MollieElyse 2 года назад

Same here as well. We tried it on two different accounts and devices.

@alicebergonzi3802 2 года назад

Me too! I don't know what's going on

@raydunn8262 2 года назад

Maybe Jagged won the Tony for Best Book was because it didn't have much competition. Moulin Rouge wasn't that original because it had the film script to work from. And Tina, the Musical is a jukebox musical.

@raydunn8262 2 года назад

Thanks, Amy, I'm honored that you hearted my comment. Especially, coming from a theatrical professional like you. I'm just a average guy who likes theater and art. Please keep up the great work.

@wwozanewmusical 2 года назад

there was another show that should have got nominated for awards and should have at least won for best new music in a musical and that was Lighting theif, they got totally snubbed by the guild and its a shame, cause the music was good, and the composer should have won. No hate but I didn't like the way they didn't just use the score from the film from mulan Rougue, cause its great, and so I think that it should not have been possible for the new musicals category cause it was based on a already created musical.

@winterfire1097 2 года назад

@@wwozanewmusical yep, Satine singing "Firework" instead of "One day I'll fly away." No thanks.

@emmam7027 2 года назад

The Australian cast includes only non binary actors portraying jo and from what I gathered when I saw it they did make the character non binary for this production and I loved it so much

@melissashilkoff 2 года назад

I just feel like JLP has dug a hole so deep, that it will take years for them to escape. And the TONYS ceremony especially felt like it was for the few considering it was "broadcasted" on a streaming site that not many have.

@margaretlinsey 2 года назад

Shut down JLP!! Sickening

@wan-ligibson8156 2 года назад

Amy I totally agree with you here - thank you so much for saying everything you've said, and regarding the Tony's, I also felt icky about it this year and didn't even watch the broadcast (as someone who has been diehard for it for several years) At the end of the day, Broadway is a business and that's what they continue to show time and time again. While the community is important, it's just truly not accessible as much as they claim to want it to be.

@JackieWarner13 2 года назад

17:50 The last 2 mins of the video doesn't play for me. It just shows it's stuck on Amy & the video keeps playing but no audio & no new visual

@alicebergonzi3802 2 года назад

Yeah! The same thing's happening for me too!

@soyboy6953 2 года назад

Same for me

@rorycharlesworthington 2 года назад

Trans actor here! Thank you so so much for making this video, you worded everything so well. I had a huge debacle in the FB comments of a post saying Lauren won the award, where I had said she doesn't deserve it as she shouldn't be playing the role in the first place and some cis man decided it was his place to tell me my view was harmful to my community, and continuously talk over me, saying he knew better cause he works with queer kids and that I'm not open to discussion because I was telling him he was being very toxic and harmful. I'm just so annoyed at and disappointed in the higher-ups in the Broadway world

@jimpiaggi210 11 месяцев назад

Dude dudette or dude person. You are .03% of the population. No one cares what you think. GFY

@ivanasolis8868 2 года назад

Thank you for this video Amy!

@phoenixblue-koszalka1518 2 года назад

I honestly think JLP needs to be shut down. They've caused so much hurt, for so many people, and the show continuing to run is just causing more damage. There is a petition to get the show shut down, and, frankly, I hope it's successful.

@SK_2174 2 года назад

Trans women aren’t real women.

@phoenixblue-koszalka1518 2 года назад

@@SK_2174 Science says otherwise. Take your transphobia somewhere else.

@BroadwayMe 2 года назад

A petition made by a random person on social media won't close a show. If it makes money, it won't close (just speaking from a business standpoint)

@SK_2174 2 года назад

@@phoenixblue-koszalka1518 And if they were real women, they wouldn’t be called “Trans women”

@phoenixblue-koszalka1518 2 года назад

@@SK_2174 Well, that's what they are. Trans women. Just like cisgender women are called 'cis women'. It's what they are. But being trans doesn't mean that they're any less of a woman, just like someone being cis doesn't mean they're any less of a woman. Trans or cis, they all fall under the word 'women'.

@Mandi_mayhemm 2 года назад

Thank you for making these videos and keeping us in the loop. I was SO excited about this show in the beginning because I'm a big Alanis fan. but yikes this has been a massive mess. Question as someone who isn't super familiar with the inner workings of shows... could they not terminate Lauren's contract themselves if they were so committed to this change? Obviously they would have to give her a payout or something so maybe they just didn't have the money to do that? I'm sure profits are nowhere near where they hopped with the shutdown.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

I presume they want to keep Lauren thought cause they knew she was top choice for the Tony and the tonys at the end of the day are all about bringing money in. They can now plaster winner of 2 Tony awards in the posters

@mitsukai7192 2 года назад

As a performer with PCOS, I was shocked and angered upon hearing Nora's story. No one should have to be put through that.

@patriciaedwards1953 2 года назад

Once again, a very carefully thought out video. You're clearly passionate about this subject! ❤💚💛💙💜

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

Thank you ♥️♥️

@healthyholemealbread 2 года назад

I’ve never seen the pronoun zie/hir before! Need to look into this 😯. Thanks for making this video, an interesting watch.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

they’re called neoprouns ♥️

@reeceedwards6183 2 года назад

As an aspiring playwright who’s only dream is to write stories that represent those who are not represented on the stage, it breaks my heart to hear about Diablo Cody’s stubbornness. Thank you Amy for making this video, I have been watching you for years and you always talk about what is most important in a community that matters so much to all of us. This situation just confirms what I want to do with my life. I am deeply pained by this shows story and background and I can’t wait to write stories that TRULY represent queer people, POC, and other people who are not represented on the stage. Much love to you Amy 💙

@WHAATEVEN 2 года назад

It reminds me of how back in 2014 Hollyoaks cast a CIS woman Modupe Adeyeye as the Trans woman character Blessing Chambers

@yona4121 2 года назад

Honestly, the pandemic opened my eyes to the abuses of Broadway- I think so many of us know that it goes on in places like Hollywood, but it’s still so hush hush when it comes to Broadway. I hope that everyone who’s been affected are able to heal. I have a feeling we’re gonna hear a lot more horror stories, and I really do hope it gets heard and spread and taken much more seriously. Broadway needs an HR department.

@GraceFay 2 года назад

I think the real issue is that trans and non-binary people have a harder time getting cast in ANY role, and that is what really needs to change. We should AT LEAST have someone on the creative team who has dealt with the issues (race, sexuality, neurodivergency) if it’s not the actor themselves.

@bobbielowe9418 2 года назад

Thank you

@aaangsss 2 года назад

oh no i'm losing audio at 17:51 😵

@jackierios2723 11 месяцев назад

I just saw this show yesterday , first I am an old heterosexual, they had Jo as a on gender journey , I agree with what you r saying.. I connected with Jo very much.. and that was powerful! Not that I was questioning my sexuality but confused about other life’s journeys it was Jade McLeod…. Wow! Just wow! I didn’t know ANY of this!

@amberpage7936 2 года назад

Does the video just freeze but say it’s still playing around 18:00 for anyone else or is it just me?

@AlysonMc 2 года назад

Yep. Happens for me every time I play the video.

@TheMegerz 2 года назад

not the picture for lauren ammmyyyyyyy, that was hilarious

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

🪲👀

@runawayz28 2 года назад

I will just say that the voting for the Tony Awards happened all the way back in March of this year. So if any of the news that came out after that voting period changed some voters' minds, they weren't able to change their ballots. (I do recognize that a lot of this news came out even before the voting happened though.)

@joolaine 2 года назад

Agree with it all!

@sweeney60 2 года назад

I may be in the minority, but I thought Dying in America was extremely cathartic.

@mattymariah 2 года назад

Same. They also talk so much about living with HIV/AIDS, which isn’t something you saw represented in the 90’s. RENT may have its issues, but it’s not JLP in any way, shape or form.

@lindsaym.h.3583 2 года назад

I said this above as well, but I think part of the complication with Rent is Jonathan Larson's death in so much as we really don't know how HE would talk about his work today or how HE would frame it. We have other people who will talk about it including members of his family, but that's far different. For all we know, had he lived, he might have tweaked Rent for 2021 like many composers do in revisiting their work. We also have no idea what else he might have done.

@CherryBlossom3x3 2 года назад

The only thing that didn't bother me about the Tony's was the RENT performance. I think it's entirely appropriate for a musical about a historical epidemic deaths pay homage to the current historical pandemic deaths. Not singing the song isn't going to make the current reality any less true. But thats just me. Other than that, 100% yes to everything else you said.

@niaraselah 2 года назад

Let's not forget Lauren plays a cop on a tv show while yelling acab for the press. Like it just keeps getting worse. I really think she is saying the things we want to hear while making decisions for her own motives. It's so vindictive and disappointing.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

Omg wait I didn’t know that?! 🤦‍♀️

@MadameCorgi 2 года назад

Even worse: she's reprising her Blue Bloods character who was fired for racially profiling a jaywalker

@MadameCorgi 2 года назад

Firing people for accidental racial profiling is 'too mean' according to Blue Bloods so she's back in uniform

@niaraselah 2 года назад

@@MadameCorgi what!?!

@mione134 2 года назад

@@MadameCorgi Do you even watch the show? Cause that's not what happened with her character.

@stephpiano2908 2 года назад

thank you so much for bringing more attention to this. also maybe it's just me but the last 2 minutes of this don't have any audio?

@whatdoyousuppose 2 года назад

that was the case for me too! The frame got stuck and the audio cut out

@amy1608 2 года назад

Yes same for me too!

@AlysonMc 2 года назад

Same here

@JackieWarner13 2 года назад

I want to see the musical bc I like Alanis' music & musicals. It's coming to Sydney this December for a month run & idk if I want to. I know nothing about the plot of the musical tbh. I like to go into a show without knowing much of the plot. Only 1 cast member has been announced for the Sydney run & it was for the character Mary Jane they announced it on Tony awards day.

@anamariaalonso7645 2 года назад

I agree with all of this video but the Rent bit. I dont love the musical (I dont hate it either its just meh), but I actually tought that it was anything but insensitive or porely planned. Since the musical is about another virus that killed a lot of people and the phrase „dying in america“ is in direct reference to that. It seems more of a social commentary that transcends the show to todays world, than whoops we forgot it said that. I think arguing otherwise would be saying that singing about the AIDS crisis in a cynical way (like it does) its somehow not as harmful as singing that about covid.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

That’s a really fair point! ♥️

@cannotthinkofausername6379 2 года назад

In regards to singing a song from Rent, initially about AIDS after the Covid pandemic, as the Tony's way of sort of saying they are comparable events doesn't sit well with me at all. Obviously they were both viruses that killed many people and was awful for those involved. However, the AIDS crisis caused segregation and strong homophobia, which those who caught covid did not have to deal with. When thinking about AIDS, we shouldn't just be sorry for the lives we lost, we should feel sorry for the people who had to endure discrimination every single day.

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

I really appreciate what you said on this. I hadn’t thought of my comments coming across that way. I definitely wasn’t comparing the situations, just from a lyrical standpoint. But thank you fir reminding me

@cannotthinkofausername6379 2 года назад

@@AmyLovatt1 Oh absolutely, I personally wasn't saying you were in the wrong for making that connection because it is odd to sing about people dying after we lost so many. I was saying that if the Tony's intention was to sing that song as a nod to the pandemic then that isn't a good comparison and like you said they could have picked any other song.

@anamariaalonso7645 2 года назад

@@cannotthinkofausername6379 I think this comment is more of a response to me than to Amy, but if I'm wrong then sorry for this comment. I would say they are definitely comparable since comparing doesn't mean equating, you can compare to say they are different, as you did in your comment. Also there have been studies that have found a lot of similarities in the way the US government handled both viruses, so you can denounce both in a similar way. I agree that the AIDS crisis became yet another homophobic trope that contributed to segregation, and that cant be said about covid. But you can find similarities in both in one context, and tell them apart in another.

@isabellaearnhardt6380 2 года назад

💙

@faffolite 2 года назад

Gender can be ambiguous some of us are non conforming

@acetraineraster5171 2 года назад

lowkey wish my school could buy the rights to JLP 'cause my school will actually cast non-binary characters as non-binary students, queer characters as queer students, etc.

@raaid22 2 года назад

I am of two minds of this whole thing. 1. I don't blame Lauren for not leaving the show ...at all. Its a job (a good one at that) if she left who knows how long it would take to find another one. She still has bills to pay. 2. This whole thing of only trans people can play trans roles and only gay people can play gay roles, is harmful. When you put people in box its very limiting.i doubt trans woman only want roles specifically written for trans woman. Trans actresses want to be able to play any woman. Puting these limits on marginalized people give the powers that be ammunition to use against them. (Ie: trans people stay in your trans box and cis people will stay over here with the majority of the opportunities.) It's already hard for gay actors to get non gay work.

@soyboy6953 2 года назад

Replying to your second point: Trans women understand the experience of women, of course, but cis women do not understand the experience of trans women. We are not putting marginalised people into boxes, we are allowing them to express their own stories. Trans people deserve to be allowed to act in the parts of trans characters. That’s what we’re saying. We are saying nothing about trans people being excluded.

@raaid22 2 года назад

@@soyboy6953 I know what you are saying, but the argument can made for the other. Many gay men are already put in boxes of "gay role only" and they struggle because those roles are few and far between. And trans women doesnt know what it's like to be cis woman and vice versa. Just like white man doesn't know what it's like to be a blackan and vice versa. There are differences, and these differences influence our experiences.

@clowchan 2 года назад

tbh as a genderfluid person I think Lauren should state the reason she is staying is for the pay. Like be honest esp with 18 months of no work. Also I wonder if some of the mixed messaging that is coming from her is due to higher ups? (as in she's parroting what the producers and like want her to say during interviews. Esp given the whole Nora debacle.)

@TheCoco151 2 года назад

just guessing something of going on tour they could change it back how it was at art?

@ridiculouslyon06 2 года назад

👏👏

@fishsoup7035 2 года назад

I saw JLP on broadway on feb 18 2020. lauren was out and iris menas played Jo (I believe it was hir broadway lead role debut) and hir performance was amazing. Also my mom was with me and loved hir performance but was very confused about iris's gender at first so the fact that there was a nonbinary actor in the show is the reason why she even knows what nonbinary is. Big missed opportunity for everyone else who saw the show with iris in the ensemble and not as Jo.

@Illogical_Tales 6 месяцев назад

Late reply, but it would be cool if iris wrote and starred in their own show

@maryb9692 Год назад

This video rubbed me the wrong way. I’ll just dump my thoughts out. How can you compare a White actor playing a Black character to a “cis” actor playing an nb character? What a terrible example. As for the character formally wearing a binder, sports bras do very little to flatten breasts. It makes sense for a woman to wear a binder to flatten their breasts but overall, they can be very damaging to healthy breast tissue. They shouldn’t be endorsed ever. Although I understand the need for “representation”, masculine women exist. Butch lesbians exist. If the purpose of Jo’s character is to show a person who is not openly accepted in society, a butch lesbian can fulfill this day. Out of all the people you can complain about, why not the casting director? Why not the producers? It's very telling and abundantly clear why the female actor was the target of scrutiny. Do butch lesbians have a lot of compelling and nuanced roles on Broadway? Yes or no. As for the replacement actor, if you have serious medical issues, you need to schedule them before a major project like this. This sounds cruel but this isn’t a job where needing weeks off is acceptable. Like I said, the anger is misdirected.

@maryb9692 Год назад

If Lauren didn’t thank the trans community, y’all would’ve still been mad. Julie Andrews can afford to decline awards. She has an established career. Once again, bad comparison.

@Joannathewizard_ 2 года назад

I agree with almost everything you said. Also it's ironic that Santino handed Lauren her award as they have both done damage to the trans communities through their shows. I don't believe it was inconsiderate that Rapp and Pascal sang "What You Own" because that show is all about bringing a community together and as we know takes place during the HIV/AIDS epidemic. All in all this song was written to show that nobody is truly alone no matter what they're going through. We all must come together to create change now more than ever.

@AJHaywood17 2 года назад

It freezes at 18 mins in

@spritezero79 Год назад

Why are people blaming Lauren for accepting her tony award. She's an actor. She did her best and the academy thought so too, she deserved what she got. Why is everyone so concerned about you have to be bi or gay or to play a bi or gay role, so what should they never get a chance to play a straight character ever if they liked the story, it's called acting people! I mean Tom cruise isn't really a pilot, Robert Downey junior isn't really a billionaire iron man, it's a fake character! The producers picked the best actor. That's their job. Get over it people, you didn't like the show then don't go again, if you think you could write a better Broadway musical and direct it that, wins multiple awards, then go right ahead!!! Otherwise stop complaining. Just go enjoy the music. Geeze do you really have nothing better to complain about than a fictional character in a fictional play.

@pandas4evr123197 2 года назад

Why would you accept an award for a role that you had no business taking? In the year of 2021. Unacceptable.

@broadwaymike92 2 года назад

Lately now for this industry, people are just wanting to be in show business for FAME which is not what it's supposed to be. It's all about telling a story and inspiring people. Saw JLP before COVID but then once everything was revealed what happened..... even as a straight guy and I have so many friends within the LGBTQ, Trans and Non Binary communities and I support them all. WE ARE ONE. Only great thing about the Tonys were the performances especially Kristin and Idina, Stokes and Audra, Adam and Anthony, and Jennifer Holiday.

@Jennifer-jn3qx 2 года назад

Commenting on the quote from Aaron about Broadway being for the many...the Tonys (award portion) were literally aired behind a paywall. Broadway itself is so inaccessible to so many people, and they refuse to acknowledge that fact or even attempt to make it more accessible, and then they make you pay to watch the awards as well? Theatre is almost exclusively for the elite at this point and it sucks.

@mariahelen1089 2 года назад

Thank you for being so blunt in this video, your anger is palpable. This show makes me so disillusioned with allyship but at least we have an online place call them out.

@plapln9347 2 года назад

From what happened with The Lightning Thief last year to this and everything in between, I really lost my love for the Tonys.

@queenofdisaster3480 2 года назад

9:19 if she wanted a send off, then how about leaving within the reopening week? Come back, celebrate with the cast, and then leave for a trans/nb actor to take the role? I have a feeling she’s not gonna be leaving till 2022, though…

@apszaaa 2 года назад

jlp only won the tony for best book because diablo cody is well known in the industry and they probably saw jlp as an original story even if it was a jukebox too, aniway, all of this and the tonys still sucks but that's how they go with things wich is why as disgusted as i am i was not surprised that it happened :/

@AmyLovatt1 2 года назад

Totally right about Diablo getting the Tony for best book 😔

@endgame7856 2 года назад

I never even heard of this musical. When did it first debut?

@AmberWoodMusicx 2 года назад

it’s basically like the controversy with Sia’s ‘Music’ with Maddie playing an autistic person but isn’t autistic, right?

@kassidyj97 Год назад

Rewatching this as someone who has taken years to come to terms with the fact they are non-binary, this is... heartbreaking. Trans and Non-Binary people are valid and we deserve to have our stories told! This shit is why I was scared to come out as Non Binary cause people constantly erase us and invalidate who we are. This is such a slap in the face. Amy, thank you for speaking up about this.

@owendy274 2 года назад

I identify as demiboy and it feels like there r no roles for people like me under the demi- label. It really sucks because I know a whole lot of people whos stories are so intristing and need to heard. Uplift voices that are lessened by the majority y'all

@wwozanewmusical 2 года назад

do you just act and sing? and if not, than create and write or get a team to create these stories, they wont be told through reusing other peoples works or characters, if more of these stories are wanted then create them and get them out on stages and seen. don't just sit back and say I wish, and get upset over what others are doing. actors can abe writers and song writers as well if they sing also.

@Adannan939 2 года назад

I would say and I’ve seen this statement many times that Lauren pattern should be fired. Unfortunately broadway casting is a union and it notoriously hard to get fired from someplace that had a union. How most unions work is that you haft to have a legitimate reason fire someone and where Broadway is at right now I don’t think they would fire Lauren also it makes it even harder now that she’s a Tony winner. :/ Also to add another point uh Ive never seen anyone talk about this but it’s one thing I’ve noticed the character nick is super undeveloped and is really just a plot point and is the only character with a fully open ended story which would make sense IF EVERY OTGER CHARACTER IN SHOW HAD AN OPEN ENDED STORY

@Sophia3477 2 года назад

at this point i just want this show TO CLOSE I CAN' STAND IT ANYMORE

@rowanc88 2 года назад

Elliot Page or Mae Martin should play Jo if they do a movie version!

@sweeney60 2 года назад

Elliot would be perfect!

@rowanc88 2 года назад

@@sweeney60 Especially as it would be a reunion with Diablo

@HeartandSeoul23 2 года назад

Now a movie version of this show would be perfect!

@remyw1409 2 года назад

Amy, thank you. Thank you for addressing all of this because without you, I would know shit about what's going on. As a nonbinary person myself, it disgusts me. Like, we are just some surface level trophy, that we are something that will be applauded until it gets messy. You know? People will praise creative teams for including us and then we as a community will shout out in pain because we are being hurt and nothing will happen and no one will care. It's gross and disheartening. It is so shitty that they are being rewarded for their negligence to the trans community and for the horrible way that they are telling these important and marginalised stories. Things need to change, we can't continue like this in theatre and performing arts in general.

@Dancersmakeup 2 года назад

And the cis book won a fucking Tony just listen to the original album. also this is the first time I’ve heard about Nora this story should be spread more and Ira Mont needs to be held accountable. Just a little kiss 😘 for Nora. And I agree with the Aaron stuff, favorite broadway boy but a cis white man saying “by the many and not the few” was a little sus. We Stan Julie Andrews

@azrielwest2810 2 года назад

...We just got to a point where Jennifer's Body is being seen as a powerful movie for women. Honestly, its a good example of someone having some things to say that are right, but getting cocky over it and not understanding that they still have so much to learn and that they can be just as abusive, dismissive and predatory as "male driven Hollywood" was to Jennifer's Body. Diablo should be ashamed of herself. You're doing what you are so proudly and smugly saying that men did to you, and that you were always right, and knew you had written such a powerful movie that would one day be understood as genius. Thank you for always holding Broadway accountable. I love you channel so much. I once commented that our cats are twins and I love seeing him (even just his tail)! Hope you're doing well and staying safe!

@JessMedley 2 года назад

I truly don't even know if they'll get a chance to make amends if half the cast is gone and they're so in over their heads with bad press... Apart from the good people involved that would lose their jobs, this one do be needing to close. 😅

@seppyq3672 2 года назад

She should have rejected the tony nom based on everything she's said about the event. However, from a purely egotistical/financial standpoint, I can kind of understand why she didn't. Doesnt make it right though. I love Broadway, but at the end of the day, it is definitely about money and commercilism over art. Including the Tonys. Personally, the biggest cringe from the tonys for me was the awful song about coming back to broadway after the pandemic. It was poorly written and cheesy.

@macarenabonilla4013 2 года назад

I think that JLP won best book just because the other ones weren’t good written either (like for example, Moulin Rouge’s finale was very anticlimatic and short, while JLP had time to close all its themes from the mom’s story and the dauther’s story). That being said, it shouldn’t had won any awards 😅. Actually, this Tony Awards should never have happened.

@paulshirley6383 Год назад

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@marianneborgersen2483 2 года назад

As a cis, gay woman I am furious with what Lauren is saying. If you TRULY... T R U L Y an ALLY, you will step down and give it to the ones who has a story like Jo!

@spunkyredhead81599 2 года назад

I don't think they can come back from this honestly. they've caused far too much harm, at this point. I sincerely hope Nora gets the justice they deserve, no human being should be treated the way they were.

@TheCoco151 2 года назад

and for tonys all votes was done months ago .so jlp was always was going to win two

@giraffe6856 2 года назад

2:05 That is exactly what I told to my straight cis friend when she said "Why are they upset about straight people playing LGBTQ+ people?" And after she heard what I said she was like, "Huh...I mean..I guess it could be offensive if you put it that way" That example is the quickest way to make straight people understand the seriousness of this kind of situation. At least only for like...50% but still, 50% is a lot