All New Hornby LBSC 4-Wheel Coaches | Unboxing & Review 

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I know right!!

@@SamsTrains 7:21 nice

Hey it opens more options for the cheaper people like me. It’s just a shame I can’t find any for sale

@@BMMEC6000 They are barely cheaper, and Hatton’s ones are better.

Yeah I think you're right Luke! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

On TV, yes. In the Railway Series they were based on the larger LMS Suburban coaches.

@@SamsTrains if you buy the new Hornby E2 can u run it with those LBSC coaches

Really 😮

Yeah they look very similar in the television series, but in the original books they were boogied I think.

2000 models in the future we'll have an R42069

haha, I'm a child! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I can recommend them Aidan!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Wait for the hattons ones to come out, hornby will probably be cheaper in quality.

@@SamsTrains more coaches please

@@jmtrainz2582 thank you for the suggestion, but where I came from I only buy stuff from ebay or amazon.

Yeah, really only buy from ebay myself, if I end buying them it'll be when they start showing up on the used market.

That's good to hear - we'll see what happens with that! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

should do a vs vid once there out

Yeah you totally could - it'd look fantastic! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Sounds like they have done a 'Boeing'; Just revamped an old model and given it a repaint, add MCAS then trying to pass them off as new!

Ahh fantastic mate - they're good then? Can't wait to try some for myself! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@@SamsTrains They're not perfect but I certainly like them. I don't think Hatton's are doing the LNER livery in teak either so that was a good excuse to go for the Hornby ones initially as well - even if they are totally fictional 😂

‘That’s absolutely correct’ - how can you know this? The source in question suggested that Hornby’s field work took place in November 2019, *just a month* after the Genesis announcement, the CADs for which were already complete. Despite arriving in stock before much of the 2020 range, they were announced and immediately released as part of the 2021 range, Q1 2021, the same quarter Genesis were due for release. You’re telling me none of this was calculated? Without any *facts* to the contrary, how can you not jump to conclusions?

Incorrect - I didn't claim that Hornby duplicated them, at no point did I say that... I made a conscious effort *not to say that* . The *point* is that they do it, maybe not always deliberately, and the effect is the same. So I ask, what *statements* did I make without facts? The argument about the 2021 models coming out before 2020 models was intended to show that the coach R&D started after Hatton's... which you have already accepted. As you rightly say, different models progress at different speeds, and the development of these coaches will have been much quicker than that of, let's say, a steam locomotive at about 24 months. This was the core of my argument - that was the exact point I was making. If they *had* been in development for 2-3 years already (as claimed by Simon Kohler), Hornby must have known they'd be ready for release within the next year... so why not announce them in the 2020 range, unless they were deliberately planning a surprise release just ahead of project Genesis? (Edit: I see Pegasus has now changed their mind and accepted the argument, but just to make the point clear) If it wasn't intended as an aggressive surprise release (as above) It's much more likely that the details were still being finalised/designed at the point of the 2020 range launch, preventing the announcement. Again, this strongly suggests that the project *was not* in development for 2-3 years, and could in fact have been started after October 2019. Of course it's a free market - I'm not saying Hornby have broken any rules... my very words were that it was a 'pity' for the smaller manufacturers... that was the point I was making. It is therefore interesting that you find the argument hilarious - could that be because you failed to understand it? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

And just to be clear "In my comment I clearly said that in this case Hornby has duplicated it" - is a lie - you edited the comment after the fact... and I have the screenshots to prove it...unlucky! You can't just change your argument when it's been disproved! xD

@@SamsTrains I think the fact that Hornby waited until the coaches were almost ready to sell and before the Hattons models are available has made a lot of people think they were trying to steal the market. Your reviews are always fair and clear. I still struggle with the mechanism/performance scores😂 and everyone knows that the J50 and Webb Coal Tank should be the top two😂, but duplication of rolling stock does seem to be a waste of resources some times. Keep up the entertaining work Sam.

Look at a picture of a Robin Reliant car; that should give you a good impersonation. After all, that's what three rail track is for! Hehehe...

haha my bad, lol!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks so much! Yeah the GWR ones look fantastic for sure! I agree, it needed to be said! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

i think its Humbrols gold or brass, i have noticed Humbrol can be a bit hit and miss when it comes to the large particles. Some of their paints are fantastic but some are really bitty , their flesh acrylic is consistently awful and always dries with a sandpaper texture

@@toekneekerching9543 I don't use Humbrol for ages now, but the Revel's gold is (use to be) OK, (i mostly use Tamya and Life-color but i don't have metal colors from those brands).

Yeah they did - though I will say this wasn't apparent to the naked eye - only noticed when I looked at the closeups! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

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Why thank you Jennifer kirk

What did he do? He just read out the info.

haha!! ;D

@@melchestermodelrailway he read r400069 he said nice after 69

Definitely Lewis - I'm going to try that some time!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@@SamsTrains real life vs Thomas ???!!!!

haha! ;D

Thanks Leroy - yes indeed, great that we're finally seeing some of these! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thank you! I try my best! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

We'll never know for sure! Sounds awesome - they are a perfect match for those! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Nice!

Yeah they are beautiful!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

The Bachmann SECR birdcage set are the best RTR coaches I have seen - so far.

haha awesome - glad to hear you liked them so much!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks so much Joe - yes it was a shock release, particularly for Hatton's. Just got to wait and see how Genesis turns out now! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Yeah!! It was the Caledonian Pug (I got it for Christmas) and sure I still have it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Graham Farish did four wheelers in the seventies. May still turn up for auction etc. Not up to modern standards.

Thanks a lot Ben - would be interesting to see these in N gauge! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

During the recent online Warley Show I was able to ask the Bachman boss if they planned any N gauge versions of these sort of coaches, he looked a bit cagey and said not until there is a demand for them ... well clearly there will be a demand, now that oo modellers have them. So come on Farish/Dapol let’s see what you can do!

Welcome back Adam! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Yeah I agree - and hi!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Godspeed my guy

Oh god! Stay warm mate - hope it's fixed soon!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

R.I.P. Jason He was very loved, and died an honorable death watching Sam review new coaches. May he rest forever in eternal peace.

Thanks everyone

@@Jason_The_Stooge sure

I never knew this - that's fascinating!! :O Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks a lot Harry - me too!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks Llesh - yeah they do look like Thomas' coaches! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Yes sam it is.

I am not trying to offend Jenny.

That's okay - Jenny has a much closer relationship with Hornby than I do. I pay for my models, so I'm not afraid to speak my mind! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@@SamsTrains That is why your reviews are so useful, you tell the truth. I have watched so many reviews where they tell me the loco is good, only to find out it not so good when I buy it. If you say a loco is good, it generally is.

Ahh that's bad luck mate - yeah that's true, not bad to have the two different designs out there I suppose!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

That's a good idea - I'll look into some, thanks! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Nice! ;D

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haha well done!! Very early this time mate! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@@SamsTrains hi Sam I Started my Small locomotive collection by purchasing second hand Models and I am saving up to get my mainline Erlestoke Manor repaired and to buy the Hornby hush hush the one that hornby first released

Great to hear that - yes it's amazing to finally have coaches for these lovely locos! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Ahh that's fair enough Matt - yeah no harm in waiting at all, best to know where you stand! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

haha that would be nice too Kenneth! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I don't blame you Tim - that's because they are pretty cheaply made... overall effective, but the value isn't excellent! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks a lot Brian - ahh might be time to change that mate!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Yeah me too Alan - loving all the old fashioned coaches! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Great to hear that Tom - yes they do look wonderful in a rake don't they?! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

They certainly weren't very pleased with each-other - though I don't know whether or not that was the reason they no longer do business. I'll be very interested to see what the Genesis coaches are like - I've only seen the samples so far, so while I do have a good idea, I won't draw a conclusion until I've received my order! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks Vincent, appreciate all the info on this! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Thanks a lot mate yeah you're right... fingers crossed for a 304 one day... complete with bouncy seats!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks a lot for sharing! No, I don't think that's quite accurate - for most people, the two ranges fill the same gap in the market, and therefore they have to be competing products. The A4s and 9fs are very different - the prototypes are world famous, and the models were produced and released years apart from each-other. The story isn't the same with these coaches - the two ranges are so similar, comparatively niche, and yet they're arriving in the same quarter as each other. An ex-Hornby employee claims that Hornby started surveying their Stroudley coaches *the month after* Hatton's made their announcement... it seems very unlikely that Hornby were not motivated by Genesis in any way. People aren't complaining about Dapol's large prairie because *Dapol announced it a year before Hornby did* ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks so much Jordan, thanks for sharing! Sounds great - hope you enjoy them! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

That's awesome - hope you enjoy them if you get some! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks for replying!

Thanks so much mate, appreciate it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks very much Dave, glad you thought so! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks so much Adam - yeah we've seen a fair bit of that happening too, though that's not the case here! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Me too - very nicely painted aren't they?! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks Sam, glad you liked them! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Ahh sounds great Darrel - sure, whatever you enjoy the most! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Yeah they do actually - just like them in fact! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks so much Fred! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Yeah for sure - bit of weathering would make a huge difference! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Sounds fantastic Andrew, those would look great with Edward! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Sounds good mate - I expect so too, but can't say it for sure until I've received my production version... fallen into the trap of drawing conclusions from pre-production samples before! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

haha they certainly did do!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks mate, all the best to you too! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

They do indeed Warren - it is great to finally see these isn't it?! Much better than Bachmann's, that's for sure! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Appreciate it Paul! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

It's a pleasure! :D

Thanks Jason - me too!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks so much! That was a free kit from wordsworth model railway! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@@SamsTrains Your very welcome! Thank you! :)

Thanks a lot Lewis - sounds fantastic! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks a lot for the info on those Mike, appreciate it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks a lot mate, glad you approve! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks very much Harry - I'm really interested to see what they're like too! I think they said Q1 2021, so hopefully not too long! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Ahh fantastic mate - glad to hear you're happy! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Afternoon! Mine are just the coaches - I can fit better lights myself much more cheaply if I want... and mine would be powered through the track! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

@@SamsTrains I did wonder why track power wasn’t used for lights. Constant replacing of those little batteries will get tedious, boring, expensive and likely slowly damage the components’ fit through repeated dismantling and reassembly. A bit of a downer, imho.

Oops sorry Will - hope you enjoy mate!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@@SamsTrains haha thanks! I just ordered 14 pieces of rolling stock brand new from Hereford model centre for £120 which I thought wasn’t too bad

That sounds great Tim, glad to hear they look good! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

haha thanks mate! Yeah - just waiting for the Hatton's ones to get released, then we can decide! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@@SamsTrains Same i have been watching both with bated breath. I'll be taking the advice you give here and it will be a key factor in my choice. Been waiting for these coaches for a long time haha.

Yeah, I personally like the pre-grouping four wheel coaches best.

Thanks for sharing Kevin! interesting about the 6-wheeler - I'll have to look out for any squeaking when I get mine! Sounds good - it will be very interesting to compare the two! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks so much mate! :D

Thanks James, yeah they do look better! Hoping to have more news on those soon! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Awesome! Hope you enjoy them if you do! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I've never bought any mate, I only have the ones that came with models... and not many of them do at that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Awesome!! Sounds like a plan! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Lner 6 wheeled ones are fantastic too

Ahh sounds fantastic Mitchell, hopefully they're good! I have plenty of those on order too! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Me too Barley - fantastic tune - I used a section from the centre of the track this time, just for variation! That sounds fab, I'd love to see the photo! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Me too! I think that too! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

haha did I say three?!? Uh oh!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Awesome!! Hope you can get some!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

That depends - if you're using analogue, it'll control every engine on the circuit of track. To control them independently, you need DCC! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thank you!!

haha thanks a lot Jin - yeah they are beautiful aren't they? Great thought on the E2! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thanks a lot Filip - yes too expensive really for what they are - maybe you're right about the competition... maybe the Hornby terriers would have been more expensive if not? Thanks for watching - Sam :)

That's so exciting - hope you really enjoy them mate! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I don't blame you - great idea! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hmm that must be the capacitor! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

That is true actually - though they're not as detailed as these! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@@SamsTrains true, just thought I would point that out.

Yeah I certainly have!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Ahh fantastic! Not sure about that - ex Hornby employee claims that Hornby went to measure the 4 wheel prototype a month after the Genesis announcement. They say a locomotive takes 2 years to develop... I don't have any trouble believing the largest manufacturer in the industry could turn these basic coaches around in 15 months! Thanks for watching, Sam :)