I agree 100% here. Put them on last night and was initially super impressed with the grip. Can't comment on longevity or drag but am going to have to change my rebound front and rear they're that different from the DHF/DHR combos I've run previously...and they're super quiet.
Isn't that basically still a diagonal construction with a variation in the angle? It's still crossed. It's an interesting idea, but also looks like a misnomer. Makes me worry that the marketing people at Schwalbe have more of a say than the engineers.
He does state that it's not actually exactly radial. A radial tire has the carcass cords running perpendicular to the direction of travel (90°). This isn't quite that. I am curious to see how it rides to see if it's just hype or makes a difference.
Early schematic shows 89.34° vs roughly 45° for virtually all other bike tires. As a long time car tire industry person, this is huge development and yes, it's a radial. All other bike tires are bias plys. This is a step change. Looking forward to seeing it spread to XC, gravel and road tires
I agree that calling them radial is a bit misleading. Although all the stuff they said because of the more angled towards radial construction would hold true. I am not sure a true radial tire would work so well for MTB because you would need thicker and stiffer rubber sidewalls to support them.
SCOOP at 9:20 !!! Amaury Pierron won Val de Sol (and Les Gets) on a prototype radial Dirty Dan!?!?!? Now we know how he was able to eat seconds off the clock, compared to his other competitors - it was those radial tires
@@SidiNic I had the old DH22 29. Stated weight was already a lot at 1.5kg, but it was actually 1.6. The new version is a lot lighter, don't know about the WE.
You didn’t make a bad purchase with the tacky Chans. I have it as a rear tire mixed with the magic Mary as a front tire. I’m loving the combo and the Chan’s give amazing cornering traction as long as you go from center knobs to side knobs very quickly, otherwise it’s dirt nap time.
@@CalQaida I bought a rear and front set to see how I like running them on the front as well. If I take too many dirt naps. The Magic Mary will be going back on haha.
First thing that comes to mind is testing uphill traction in techy climbs through rocky sections. I got a lot of that where I live (literal boulder fields), so more bite is always welcome.
I guess these tires will perform absolute amazing with inserts. You can run just a little bit higher pressure than the crazy low one. You can get away with much higher traction and the same safety leather from patcher resistance.
I think thats the length but if you assume the one for 122.15 is for 45deg then you can deduce that the "radial" magic angle is about 15deg : 122.15 cos(45) = 89.34 cos (magic angle)
Magic Marys up front have been pretty sweet so far in sandy and tacky conditions. Need to move up to Ultra soft compound and wouldnt mind trying out what radials can do for me. My Big Betty on the rear is okay, but i miss my Maxxis Aggressor.
These sound great! I am always looking for more grip, as I use Maxis Assagai downhill tires on my Bosch CX4 bike. Here is another tip for really loose, rocky climbs. I found this out just yesterday, climbing a trail with baseball sized rocks torn out of the trail bed by moto use and recent rain. I tried switching from EMTB to AUTO MODE. It made a big difference, as auto mode is a little smother in is torque application.
I would guess the increased contact patch already comes with increased rolling resistance (only partway through the video, not sure if they mention that at all). Seems like this tire design is focused on grip and maintaining control, not reducing resistance and maximizing efficiency
I picked up a couple of Argotals the other day because they were less than ½ price and free delivery. Also haven’t tried them ha ha still on hands damp.
Kind of surprised by all the negative comments. Seems like this could be a pretty decent step forward for mtb tire tech. They gave it a good test and there’s logical reasons why the contact patch increases. What is there to hate??
The race results have already proven this tire to have some serious performance gains. But, to us it seems most of the issue is with the “radial” nomenclature.
@@TheLoamWolf fair point. Keep up the great work really enjoyed this vid. Especially confirming that you tested it with a number of people and felt confident giving the stamp of approval. I’m keen to get on this front tire 👍
Please test the claim of not needing inserts. I would not miss the faff of those things. (Yes, I can install them just fine, thanks.) And I'm glad they went with calling it a radial instead of inventing some TM-ed term. As someone who's worked in advertising for 30 years, I hate that crap even more than most people. 🤣
Love how all the negative comments are purely related to jargon LMAO. Completely missing the point, guys. This is a clear advancement in MTB tires. Go back to keyboard riding.
Just ordered a set for my MX Relay. I did try the Tacky Chan up front last week and it wasn't working for me. It felt too small and like it was pinging everywhere (dry loose rocky terrain) although the few spots of loam I hit it hooked up amazing on the edge.
Schwalbe made the carcass more pliable, so how does this affect support during cornering? How does this affect bottom out? Why does radial take away the need for inserts? If they made the carcass less stiff, wouldn't that make it tend to bottom out easier? We know lighter tires conform better, so will these better conforming tires have worse damping characteristics compared to traditional downhill casings? All these questions seem quite natural but you didn't bring any of them up. This reads more like an advert.
This is not a long term review. We tried to state early on this is part of our Dissected Series, which are content projects made with brands, usually around the launch of new products because these are a lot more fun than press releases, home page takeovers or banner ads and offer us a chance to learn more, share insight in a different way and share our initial impressions we came away with after a couple rides while filming. Your questions are several of the key questions we will be keeping in mind during our long term review period. Which is underway on many bikes in UK and PNW. Thanks for listing out the questions you want to hear answered! Always appreciate the insight.
Rob Warner likes them and reckons he’ll keep the Albert’s on his new Giant DH. Apparently the carcass doesn’t rebound and grip feels solid. Depending on the PSI!
Ok, these new tyres deform more, so the contact patch is up to 30% more, so: You should increase air pressure in order to compensate for the extra deformation (or your precious rims will suffer the consecuences) Roll noticeably slower, unless you give them a couple more PSI's Can't we get to the same result by just dropping pressures on our normal, "non radial" tyres?
I remember various companies offering radials years ago, but it didn't catch on. Not sure if the idea is just wrong for a tire that leans, or if it was just wrong for road with its extra-light construction, or if it was just bad execution.
Haha, well, when those expensive tires wear out, replace them with these equally expensive tires that will grip way mo betta! We're happy to report pricing did not increase just because their new! So, props to Schwalbe there.
Very odd, they want a tire for no inserts, and they make a softer tire that’s more linear? Doesn’t make sense. The 30% larger contact patch at the same pressure doesn’t really come into play when the pros run them at 30+ psi in the wet, the high pressure probably cancels out the footprint advantage. To me having to run higher pressures would cancel out all the advantages and the entire development purpose of the tire.
The whole point of an inserts is making the tire more progressive through volume reduction then providing a mechanical spring into the last bit of tire compression via the foam, letting you run lower pressures to gain more contact patch. More flexible casing leading to more contact patch then running high pressures is like they accidentally rediscovered the concept of buying the wrong tire and trying to run a trail casing at 35 psi for dh
Really like the big betty on the rear with super gravity but im just not getting on with the super gravity MM on the front. Maybe im not going fast enough
How do you think these would do down here in the Southwest US ? Las Vegas, Phoenix, Sedona, Southern UT, etc. This area is *nothing* but rocks on rocks on rocks, like "kitty litter" over hard pack concrete like dirt. Occasional loam...... but usually only after a rare thunderstorm.
The Albert would likely do very well! I’d definitely be interested in trying a set there. Depending on the size of the loose over marbles, but I plan on taking mine back home to Los Angeles next week and will be riding them in plenty of dry, loose conditions
@@TheLoamWolf right on! Please do post some review videos of their usage out in LA. The trails in Southern California are a lot like out here in Vegas.
We'd likely suggest the Albert as the tighter packed knobs will be better rolling than the Shredda or Magic Mary. BUT, Schwalbe is aiming these tires at Enduro-level bikes and riders.
Finally a leap forward in mtb tires! Loved their Procore tech! Not so much the insert tech... Always use over 23psi front (+10% rear!). If these tires, can give me the feeling of around 16psi to 18psi, I need to check if it support me has a 23psi normal tire. Pieron is not an example to anyone 😅
In the german video, the marketing guy vom Schwalbe even mentioned, that they stay recognize they pro core sucks. I think this tires will Performance exceptional with tire inserts..
What industry is that? Just about every industry will see MAJOR changes with the change of a few degrees. Here's a few we could think of: Aviation industry - try changing the wings a few degrees and see how the plane flies. Railroad - what if the tracks rotated just a few degreees? Surgery - few degrees could be the difference between life or death Iron workers (or any construction for that matter) - high rise buildings likely wouldn't stand if their angles were changed just a few degrees. Automotive suspension/alignment - few degrees off your alignment, camber/tow and your tires would be roached.
@@TheLoamWolf I design downhole tools for extended reach O&G wells, typically 25k+ ft deep. Been very fortunate with their success. Thank you for the well thought out response. However, I'm referring to design changes on an existing successful product line from an engineering standpoint. My comment was honestly out of jealousy. These engineers made a seemingly small change to an already successful design and gained great results. Hopefully it's patent-able so they can protest it. Unfortunately when you make such a small change to something that everyone else is already doing(right angles) it can be tough, I've been there. Best of luck to them and I'll be happy to try out the magic mary version.
That sounds insane! It’s crazy to think about what humans and our minds are capable of creating and the tools (or toys) we create. Yeah we hear ya, it’s wild that such a seemingly overlooked thing could do, but they really do ride different, so, we’re excited about that! Don’t believe it’s a patentable tech, but they’ve at least got a year head start! Haha. Thanks for writing in and sharing your awesome job. Be rad to see that one day!
If the tread pattern is the same, radial produces more rolling resistance. That´s why the Alberts tread pattern is optimized for rolling. So it is very equal to a Magic Mary
Any experience or speculation yet running Cushcore in the Alberts? Guess I'll find out soon enough, just ordered one for my rear......once my Eddy Current wears out
I hope the person that came up with the names of their tyres is ok. Are they just having time off? Same with the tyre patch designer? Did they replace them with an apprentice? Logos are awful. How can I run a MM Radial and NN now?
I couldn’t agree more. Loved the large grey lettering. They went with the industry standard of boring white lettering like Maxxis and Michelin. I’m not a fan.
@@TheLoamWolf the price might be the same but the average rider will be drawn in by the marketing and will not feel, or improve the riding due to the cloth being cutting differently. But instead remove some perfectly good tires earlier than expected
Your initial assumption on price got shown to be false, so now you’re doubling down, and looking silly in the process. How is anyone ever supposed to improve or change anything? Are you running a 3X front chainring? Did you also moan like a dripping tap when 1X came out about all the unnecessary upgrading that people were being forced into? How are your cable operated rim brakes working out for you? Dropper post?! Pffft. Amirite?!
@@TheLoamWolf nobby nic, racing Ralph, hans dampf, and the now "old" magic Mary. I find Schwalbe to be consistently vague, maybe it's because I don't ride them that much but it feels like I'm fighting to stay gripped into things that other tires just don't leave me high and dry with. My last pair I gave them 10 rides before giving up on them.
When will the review of the new GT Fury be done? I'm looking forward to buy one but I'm searching for his riding characteristic since I'm not entirely convinced
I've been in mtbs since 89, and I've watched the industry ignore what has been done in other sports and activities. Only to see the mtb community mock me when I ask why? 1st would be suspension, I got so many responses from naysayers and why bikes don't need suspension.
@@dadventuretv2538 If Mert Lawwill's Pro Cruiser had been embraced instead of shunned and blackballed by the roadie Klunkerz dorks, we might have been where we currently are much earlier, but unfortunately we got square geometry bikes made for climbing instead of fun for the first three decades of mountain biking
@@bermroller I came into it in 1990 from bmx and freestyling and some dirtbike riding (although I was not like a motocross rider or anything). Even back then we were tinkering with short bmx style goosenecks and bars, and trying to figure out how to slacken the HTA (of course back then we called it how to rake out the front end). Of course nothing worked bc nothing was ever the same the size, and were dirt poor which didn’t help. Lol. We also knew we wanted fatter front tires and maybe even larger diameter too- you know like the dirtbikes we rode IN THE 80s!!!- but they just weren’t available. Of course then we’d show up somewhere and cyclists with the cyclist mentality of you can’t do that bc we’ve always done it this way (insert roadie way) would come outta the woodwork. I mean I am far, far from any sorta bike mechanic or engineer and even a dummy like me could figure some of this shit out back in the 90s simply bc I came from two other two wheeled sports that rode in the dirt and looked at it with that mentality instead of with the mentality of skinny tire riders who had no clue what was better in dirt, for jumping, or for bombing down 50 deg chutes.
So in terms of the new naming (trail/gravity) when compared to the previous generation super trail and below would be trail and supergravity and above would be gravity? Or because of the construction and design to not need inserts does the new trail carcass step into super gravity territory?
Trail is still equivalent to Super Trail, and Gravity to Super Gravity in terms of carcass layers and therefore puncture protection and intended use case.
So for an overall condition, Hardpack dirt, off camber roots, and some loamers, Mary with the new chasing on the front or the Albert? looks like an Assegay but with the knob height of an Hans Dampf
Ooof! That's a tough one. Where are you located? We rode these in Whistler, mostly hard pack, found some new loamers and lots of rocks and roots. The Albert was awesome! I'd maybe lean to that if you have drier conditions typically. If the loamers and dirt are wet and you need the penetration, Mary still may be the way to go. But, we really like these.
MTB tyre corp "We are now implementing technology that has been in motorcycle tyres for decades but we're still going to make you pay an arm and leg for the research and development costs 👍🏻"
@@Micha_7F why do you assume it doubled up? If you look at DT Swiss wheels, the rating is for the system weight (rider, gear and bike). Not broken down per wheel. If it was 230 kg it would be a moot point to even publish, no one approaches that weight. If you look at their recommended tire pressure chart it lists 60, 85 and 110 kg rider weights and the recommended tire pressures at 110 kg basically push the limitations on the allowable tire pressure, hence the 115 kg limit.
@@michaeltiffe6341 because Schwalbe always publishes weight per tire. Imagine you‘re riding a cargo bike with a 20“ and a 26“ wheel. Every tire has it’s own load capacity
There is a Magic Mary version of this construction. The Albert tread pattern will not replace Mary, it is a very different pattern, and better for hard pack, loose over hard and mixed conditions. The Mary will penetrate more, but is still a good all around tire.
I really do not think this is that radical. Most of the current tires I use are by definition radial ply. These just appear to have a different radial construction, but most importantly the difference is in the tire profile. Tested MX tires in the 70's and from experience then and on MTB now, tread patterns and tire profiles matter more to me. Have always thought MTB tire profiles are way too square.
oh for sure! Also the name of some ex gf on the neck! but dont forget the brass knuckles on the back of yer hand ! Also every real bike head has to be on the roids like , oops that might be for the 10 speed road fellows.... ha
I would guess not, if you hear to Schwalbe Marketing guy. Especially on smooth surface you have more rolling resistance... Die tires Performance especially in rocky and rooty Terrain. They can suck up this stuff and even give leds rolling resistance under this circumstances performance. boost. If you want them with low pressure
Our climbing time on them so far has not been extensive enough to give you a definitive answer... Sorry, but we don't wanna mislead you there. We will work on giving some comparison, BUT, the Albert Soft (tighter packed knobs) is similar to a Big Betty Soft in the same casing. It's not huge, but similarly, you may save energy by not spinning out or loosing traction, which does end up making you faster if your climbs are very chunky...
Radial tires design is not suited to low pressure combined with high loads. That's like a known fact. Idk what this guy is saying but sounds like marketing...😅
We agree. However, with the same tire pressure you get the benefits of the characteristic of a conventional tire at lower pressure, without losing the support when pushing hard. You could go up say 10-20% tire pressure, and still feel improved comfort and traction. That said, Robert is 210-220lbs and pushes hard in corners so we will report on this topic specifically in the long term review!
I think its important to recognize that these are only slightly more radial. Not a true 90⁰ radial at all, so the "known fact" doesn't completely apply to this example
They specifically mentioned that they pushed the "radial" angle change as far as they could without compromising the tires stability and protection.....Did you even watch the video?
@TheLoamWolf I'm looking to replace my DHF/DHR2 setup with something lighter and better rolling characteristics for SoCal loose rocky terrain and park days. I pedal mostly to my local trails.
Right on. You should enjoy the added traction and suppleness over the rocks. Maybe don’t get Ultra Soft rear of you pedal on the road far! Haha we haven’t tried the Albert in SoCal yet but are going back home in two weeks and will try them at Suicide and Rocky Peak and let you know.
They have a pretty different application, but, we like these A lot better so far. The Eddy will be much stiffer and the tread pattern is quite different too.
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@@TheLoamWolf so the emtb specific ones are outdated by regular ones? Or is it that the line between mtb and emtb is now blurred with regards to tire choice?
We asked Schwalbe about this - they say "The lines have been blurred by our recent models and we see benefits from both types of tires when it comes to traction, grip and performance depending on the terrain, rider skill and weight." Essentially, like all brands, the tires will offer different traits and characteristics. While many will love this new construction, there may be some more "specific" riders who don't like the added compliance as they rely on stiffer tires for their type of riding. Hope that helps.
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@@TheLoamWolf thanks for quick answers. I think I will replace my Maxxis DHR/DHF with one of these radial ones to get my own experience. Have a nice weekend.
It looks like they have the Magic Mary in radial, but it is a front tire... Would trail riders be running double Marys? That doesn't seem like the best setup.
