Y'all, Chat is from a different universe. I liked Chimmaney's video as much as the next person, but he made it very clear that Marvel Adventures is its own universe. EDIT: Okay, I take that back. He deleted my comment complimenting the video so I guess we're enemies now. 🤣
@@therighteousmind6708 I think I only got a girlfriend at 20, my advise to you is: After this Covid thing, go to every social gathering you can, all of the people I dated was a friend of a friend.
I've been enjoying the alt universe Peter and Chat's relationship. It's nice seeing them not try to cause constant trauma and suffering for Peter whenever he tries to hook up with someone.
If you think about it, Silk (Cindy) is one of the most compatible with him. Since Cindy and Peter has the same powers (same spider that bit them) they want each other because of the pheromones hence why they have sex everyday or every they met. They cannot help it. Same spider attracts the other same spider.
You gotta love how girls hate Spiderman hiding he's Spiderman and breaking up over it. If I found out my girlfriend was a superhero, it would be a shock for sure, but I wouldn't blame her from hiding it. Hiding it is the smart thing to do. Besides, it's much better than finding out they're cheating. o_O
I think that the problem is that a shock like that just causes them pain. If my girlfriend found out I have superpowers, she wouldn't be thinking about how it makes sense to hide it. She'd be hurt. Then that pain usually causes impulsive things like breaking up.
@@zeophalanx1751 It's more of the "why didn't you trust me" aspect, although it really depends on how long they lied about it. I feel like it makes more sense for Harry to be mad at Peter when he finds out vs a girl he hooked up with and probably saved multiple times.
Brad Lee Doc Ock alienated everyone Peter cared about, made the superhero community not trust him, and got him in extreme trouble for plagiarism (Doc Ock copied his own dissertation when getting a PhD while in Peter's body). And in the end, Doc proved to be inferior to Peter to the point that he had to give up and give Peter his body back because of how badly he kept fucking up. How the fuck is that an improvement?
Awesome Anbar this peter doesn’t need the mcu or tony to be greater, but if you took the mcu version out of the mcu everyone would agree he be bad, so how come he can be like this ps4 game where he is in a connected universe but it doesn’t need to rely on the connection to be good, if you look at the mcu objectively he is probably the worst Spider-Man put so film simply because he goes against great power and responsibility and is a stupid teenager who wants to be a hero for his own gain not because he has responsibilities, So when I see Mr stark I feel great I honestly don’t know if you remember this, “I had a father,his name was ben parker” mcu”why does he matter” more then tony for Ben is a good person tony isn’t, because Ben is closer to peter not tony, because Ben taught peter everything when tony taught him nothing, that is why peter should see mr stark as a mentor or an idol(also the fact he kills and created ultron but he doesn’t know that when the world was aware, of peter did a background check on tony he would relied he is the opposite of what he wants to become, plain and simple
If I recall correctly one of Spiderman's gimmicks is that he can't be happy, he can't get free time and being Spiderman makes both halves of his life miserable. That's what makes people like him so much, he does what he has to do even if it makes him suffer.
Is reality disappointing because you're name just happened to be Peter, you're a smart and nice guy but girls/guys won't give you the time of day? It's okay buddy. I work 3rd shift security at a place only company workers show up at.... I KNOW YOUR PAIN! Lmao
He was never "your average guy" He's good looking, smart, muscular, athletic, funny and basically everything else that a woman looks for in a man. It makes sense why he's able to pull so many women.
You should have mentioned that “Sins Past” is so infamous that it’s been panned and reviled by writers and fans to the point where it’s basically been written out of the canon, since it’s literally been ignored by every subsequent writer
@@frogoat A fan theorist actuallly figured out how it was made canon, and it was from the 1967 issue were Norman was temporarily reformed and saves Gwen, who at that time separate with Peter after hitting her dad, from the Kingpin. If they can alter that one moment then Sin's Past won't be canon anymore
@@ShahirHameed I'm familiar with the fan ( from the SpideyKicksButt and Crawlspace websites). However, there is also an awful lot of stuff that doesn't work. It was a conscious effort on his part to make it work. Also, THIS guy does a great break down of the story and why it doesn't work: hellzyeahthewebwieldingavenger.tumblr.com/post/122027133487/i-was-thinking-about-sins-past-and-how-i-sometimes
I'm such a huge comics nerd that is hard to watch these usually. You taught me about 2 of Peters ex GF's that I didn't know existed! Kudos to you in the research you did for this episode! You're a very thorough researcher, thanks for taking the time to look these up!
@@xerkif889 He died a hero's death and truth betold I think it's a perfect end for his charicter he went from High School Bully, to a solder, then a hero while also becomeing Peter's close friend and allie who died saveing him from the Red Goblin and was proud to call Spider Man and Petter Parker his closest friend. That is an amazing charicter arc that I fear retcons will destroy one day-_-
@@demi-fiendoftime3825 that's how I felt, even though their comic books and no one ever stays dead, flashes death felt right, the last issue of Dan slotts run was amazing, and the ending with flash was even better even if he is dead
@@xerkif889 Truth betold If I was a writer MJ and Petter stay together and they have a son name him Ben Flash Parker and thats it. Just leave him dead like Uncle Ben and a memory that heroes can change people for the better.
13:41 Can I just say that I absolutely loved this shot when Peter FINALLY got his body back? This was also during an arc where the Green Goblin found out Otto was in the driver's seat of Spidey's body(without knowing who Spidey was). When Peter got it back, do you know what was the first thing Spidey said when the Goblin (still thinking Otto was in there) exclaims that Otto will "have nothing left"? Peter yells, "Except the dignity of knowing I never carried a manpurse." In that instant, the Goblin knew that Otto was out and the original was back, and I loved it!
Ravn Haveland: because of the whole “Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn had kids” thing and the “Peter and Gwen never did the deed” thing, Sins Past is among the worst spider-man stories of all time. So the fandom agreed collectively to ignore it. Marvel themselves have also decided to ignore it, as neither the kids nor the event itself have appeared or been referenced in almost a decade.
Just remember: Sophia “chat” Sanduval Is “Top Tier” and should always be ranked as Number 1. Bring her back Marvel! Same Personality/Dynamic! You mess with their chemistry and we riot! (I really miss Earth-20051, the 2010 Marvel Adventures Spider-Man was way too short)
Agree, their dynamics are incomparable. It's really sad that the authors don't accept Peter having a healthy relationship. "Chat" is an incredible character and her relationship with Peter is the best I've ever seen, the two really deserve each other. Earth-20051 was taken from us too soon.
Reminds me of like Atom Eve Invincible stuff, amazing relationship and more realistic cause thats most likely how it would be, superheroes dating superheroes.
@@status8477 nope, that's another one. You should check this one out. This is.... different. (Don't wanna spoil it coz it's too good to spoil. Best to go in blind)
Honestly, can you blame Peter for wanting to keep his Spider-man identity a secret from people he dated at first? If Peter grew close to anyone and onw of his enemies found out they would target them to get to him. Obviously, he would need to tell them at some point, but that wouldn't exactly be something brought up on the first date.
Honestly, my favorite is the time line where MJ and Peter stay together and have Spider-Ling and Wolverine becomes a cranky uncle. It's just too damn cute not to love.
9:26 For those of you who hated this decision (which should be a good number of you), check out the Spider-Girl comics that were being published around this same time period. They focus on the daughter Peter and MJ almost had, who happened to inherent her father's powers and sense of responsibility. It's an awesome comic series and Mayday might be one of the best alternate Spider-People out there.
I feel bad for debra. You can definetily tell that was just written based off the times that they lived in. If someone tried writing a a new spider-man comic with peter treating an SO the way he treated debra in the early comics it'd be all over social media and would probably be cancelled.
Real American Negro it’s not even realistic, her whole reason was that she felt bad for Norman Where as she hadn’t even done the deed with Peter while stating she was in love with him It was just a horrendous decision that Marvel pushed for even though the main Spider Man writer at the time, Michael however you spell his name, hated the idea of her having an affair with Norman So I say Green Goblin killed Gwen Stacy because he wanted to ruin Peter the same way he thought Peter ruined his son, which is a much more compelling narrative anyways Sorry I just really hate that story lol
I made a follow up breaking down all of Batman's girlfriends. It was MORE complicated than Spider-Man by far! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9I9w7IoDrAU.html
A Good Retcon: MJ knew Peter was Spider-Man since Amazing Fantasy 15, and it fits near perfectly with everything that came before. A Bad Retcon: Sins Past. If you’re going to retcon a classic story like The Night Gwen Stacy Died, don’t do it for stupid shit!
Mine is Chat from Marvel Adventures. She was fun, helpful, and independent she new how to fight and took on Emma Frost in hand-to-hand combat and won. She was the best love interest for spidey in my opinion But damn it I too like LauraxPeter
3:12 Their break up was also due to the fact that Betty blamed Spider-Man for the death of her brother during a crime involving Doc Ock. Even though she for gave Spider-Man, she cannot be around him because it reminded her too much of her brother. So Peter broke things off and basically pushed Betty in the direction of Ned Leeds while suffering heartache in the process. But the part that you mentioned about how Betty long for a guy that was not involved in dangerous work was spot on and did play a role in Peter's decision to push Betty out of his life for her own safety.
Yeah, that desperately needs to be retconned to another universe; it's like a really gross stain on everyone's favorite spider-themed blanket that you hope you can ignore like the other ones, but its too gross
@@captainandrew45 it doesn't need to be retconned to another universe... it needs to be retconned out of Marvel's history entirely, it completely destroys Gwen as a character and it completely ruins her relationship with Peter and makes you not even feel bad for her death, it's just terrible in every way, it needs to be erased from history, I personally have already chose to just completely ignore it and I refuse to accept it as canon, even if Marvel still does.
@@demi-fiendoftime3825 pretty much, but there is still stuff like that one time where Gwen's kid liked Peter and he wasn't into it, it's still considered canon for some reason, just make Gwenpool destroy it or something, or hell they could've made Peter ask that demon from One More Day to just erase that part, there are so many ways they could retconn it but they still haven't done it yet for whatever reason.
It never should have been written in the first place. Gwen and Norman never shared any scenes of any significance in the comics she was alive in and the idea that the kids CONVENIENTLY are 6 years old but have the bodies of 25 year olds (and look identical to PETER and Gwen, which is just bizarre and hysterical), and apparently Mary Jane knew ALL about the affair and the babies and that Norman threatened Gwen's life and NEVER TOLD ANYONE UNTIL THE ADULT CHILD TWINS SHOWED UP... yeah, that story is just too ridiculous to have a shred of believably even for Spider-man comics. People only ever bring up the Gwen and Norman crap when they talk about Sins Past, but the story has so much more wrong with it than just that. I mean, Mary Jane knew about the affair and twins and never told Peter about it and allowed him to blame himself for the whole bridge incident. And how convenient it is that the kids age up to adult age when Peter meets them. Every bit of it is stupid.
Seeing you cover the Peter/Mary Jane relationship makes me want to see you talk in-depth about how Marvel has been trying to split them up for over 20 years.
It feels like it's one of those 'technically canon' things, where it's still something that happened in the history of the characters, but nobody bothers to recall it.
Ryan's Rants technically it is but since it wasn’t really expanded on and it will probably never be touched again, obviously reasons, you Can pretty much just exclude it from your own personal canon
It unfourtunately is canon. One More Day (Worst Spider-Man story of all time) was used to undo Sins Past as well as take Peter's marriage away from him. But Dan Slott didn't get the memo and used Gabriel Stacy (Gwen and Norman's son) in Dark Reign so yes it is technically canon
Another relationship I like a lot is Peter and Kitty Pryde in the Ultimate Spider-Man. I personally liked the relationship even if it wasn’t developed as much as I would have liked. Two heroes dating each other, understanding the hardships that each other face on a daily basis and not having to keep secrets from one another felt like a great relationship to me. And they were cute together, and even if they made Pryde a little too shy and teenage-y. As to who I think is best for Peter as opposed to who I want to be with him, I think Mary Jane is the best candidate. Why? Well, aside from being a major character and the popular answer, it is because they have actual development and have been through things together. MJ was there to help Peter through Gwen’s death, Peter was there to help MJ through her career, they face challenges together, MJ knows he’s Spider-Man, and so on. Everything I named for why I like Peter and Pryde in Ultimate Spider-Man is here as well. And I don’t think that Gwen would have taken him being Spider-Man well. Maybe she would have come around, but I don’t think the relationship would have lasted if he stayed Spider-Man. No, MJ is the best girl for him in my opinion.
Mines is Sophia chat Sandoval from the Marvel's adventure continuity. she's Peter's mutant girlfriend who he ends up with , even when the comic series line gets cancelled for ultimate Spider-Man (tv show comic) their relationship is pretty wholesome especially in vol 2 . I actually love the relationship between them since when they started dating they both have big secrets to hide which meant that they were not being completely honest with each other , she was a mutant and she also knew that he was Spider-Man, but he didn't know that she knew . eventually he figured it out and left her for a bit but after patching things out they got back together for the rest of the series. I honestly thought he was going to go with Gwen but he didn't and I actually kind of glad he didn't
@@tenkyu778 same I found out who chat was and I really like her as a spidey love interest and hopefully we get another interpretation of spiderman having a relationship with chat even though it might not be guaranteed for them to be similar to their earth 20051 counterparts.
@@Username_-yf2zw yeah I still wish we got a continuation of some kind, as there was unresolved plots like Gwen and Carter's relationship and Peter trying to know about Sophia's Sister (His memory of asking was wiped by Emma frost who is about the same age as him in this one). Not to mention the kingpin storyline at the end 😭. We need fanart of Chat and continuations.
@goff0103 He still has a secret love with her. Spider-Man convinced Felicia that he was not in his his vody n he swapped so uls with Doc Ock.n he took off his mask to show his secret idenity. After that Felicia instantly remembered all the past dates shes been on with him as Peter parker. In excitement she hugs n kisses peter at the end of the issue.
I mean, it's fiction. Spiderman has also been to the moon, made deals with literal demons, and yknow, died. I wouldn't get to worked up over a fictional character. Now that guy down the street on the other hand...
Thank god you didn't go into "I killed my wife with my radioactive sperm" And I knew about all of these relationships.. The voice in my head says I'm like Deborah Williams.
Elijah Watson he isn’t radioactive enough to cause any damage, but i guess his sperm was. This would also mean that his saliva isn’t radioactive. Just his sperm and possibly his blood
I know that feeling, it sucks. But life can be that way, nothing to do about that, but growing from it. Wish you best of luck on the hunt for future wife material, some decent girls are waiting out there. 😎👍
It was out of character. I don't hold it against Gwen because it was so horribly written and nonsensical that is doesn't even feel canon. Even the writer says he regretted it. So yea, we should collectively consider it retconned
He has precise game but he could be socially akward sometimes. His punchlines with betty brant had to be the best flirt lines ive heard in comic history
