@@FelipeA81 And yet things are getting worse. Women's rights are being lowered. Racism is becoming more and more common. LGBTQ rights are being lowered. Society is devolving when it comes to minorities
Because having a thing against black people in 1000 years time would be as odd as having a thing against Vikings today? I mean there might be racism in the future but it would likely be against different groups.
@@FelipeA81 LMAO. We've improved? Really? RU-vid keeps recommanding me videos from conservatives even if I put "do not recommand", some with 10k views, some with 100k. Look at the title and thumbnail of these videos, it reeks of hate
“All Racism References” has to be the funniest title for a video I’ve ever seen in my life, like I get it, but gives the vibe of like, an Easter egg video lmao
When she asked "You're in the same room??" I thought it was another jab at people being so consumed by social media that they don't even socialize in the same room in this society. But, nope, racial segregation. This is one of those episodes that is incredibly rewarding to re-watch.
@@milky7257nah it can’t be both as we know Lindy works in a room with three other people and two of her friends are twins who share a bubble. It’s pure racism but the social media commentary helps disguise it
I didn't even notice the racism until they showed it on the Doctor Who RU-vid channel. Even though most people have been calling this season "woke" and stuff, this really felt like a powerful way to show these problems. If I was a more emotional person, I would be emotional right now. This was a really good episode.
I like how, mid-way through the lecture about how the TARDIS is "voodoo" Ruby looks away from them. She knew instantly what was happening, she's seen it before.
@@joekreissl4499I honestly have this horrible image in my head where years ago some nosey Karen calls the cops during a shopping trip cause she thought Carla was kidnapping Ruby, whenever I think about that
@@Zestieee Yeah this whole episode was shit you didn't pick up easily until the rewatch. It's crazy how subtle a decent chunk of it was and it just seemed like she was a spoiled brat.
Does anyone else think the "you will obey me" was a subtle nod to the Daleks? Not as in teasing their return or involvement in the episode, but to show the similarities in behaviour.
I stopped the episode at the "I know he looks weird" part and asked my friends if I was looking too far into it that they were treating him differently and at the end I was disgusted to realize I was right.
Ricky was actually exactly like the Doctor in words and action, and Lindy accepted him, but when the real Doctor did EXACTLY the same, she rejected him.
There had been talk from some viewers who said if Ricky had not ☠️, then he might have been able to convince the others to listen and go with the doctor or they even blindly follow him as an “influenster”, but without the voice of someone willing to see logic and understand history, now instead they are going to do their own thing, no matter how little it makes sense, no matter the consquences.
How could you tell? Is there a line which implies he’s met the Doctor? Has he met a non-white person? Well asking it already sounds so because he don’t have his bubble.
I was lowkey hoping he would become a temporary companion or at the least turn down the doctor in favor if being able to steer this twisted society in the right direction
@@InfiniteProductions123 "Ruby, meet my former self. Yes, I was white once. And old. And Scottish. This version of me is known for punching racists, playing an electric guitar and having lots of weird stuff in his browser history"
"Because you, sir, are not one of us..." I read somewhere that Russell T Davies made a small change to the twist. What if the change was small, even smaller than six words? Just one word. I think he had to tone it down with one word, which would have made it a hundred times more offensive to The Doctor if it were kept in the script. "Because you, boy, are not one of us..."
Remind anyone of “no you’re right, not a single word. Just six” This comment can be summarised as: “No, you’re right, not six words. Just a single word”.
One thing overlooked is that when Lindy enters the "safe area," she sees Ruby and The Doctor and has a "freaked out" expression and goes out of her way to avoid them...not go to them and thank them for saving her...but appalled that HE is allowed to be there. I know it's mentioned when they are face to face, but there also is that initial moment where they Could meet, but she skirts away ASAP.
NGL they hid the twist well. I thought her avoiding them was because she was worried they knew what she did to Ricky somehow. Rewatching the episode they were brilliantly subtle about how much of racist pos the FineTime community was.
I got that Lindy was racist quite quickly. It wasn't until the end that I realized her society was white-supremacist when I say that everyone else acted the same way.
A lot of these aren't necessarily directly hinting towards "racism", but rather "isolationism" - a lot of those points do go hand-in-hand as the latter can influence the development of racist views
@@danielkiran8174 yes, but there's a lot of things brought up here that are purely just dependence on the Dot and Bubble without any reference to interacting with the Doctor / Ruby Not saying the list is incomplete, but just not precise
Yes it's difficult to unpick the two. It's hard to be racist without being isolationist and it's hard to be isolationist without being racist, both are about demonizing groups of people
After watching this episode and these kinds of breakdowns a few times, the most haunting and horrible aspect (that no one is really talking about) is that she expects him to be "punished.". That may imply that people of color (if there are any left) are "punished" regularly in their society. Just thinking about that may may be like is sickening and chilling.
@@mrcritical6751 Had Slavery. The AI purged it. Now my belief is that the non white part of the population survived, as they wouldn’t have been allowed to use the Dot and Bubble. But they did nothing to help when the AI decided to purge the Racists. As for the Homeworld being reduced to a population of 0, well the homeworld might only register the White part of its population.
Disclaimer: Some of these likely aren’t intentional or might need more explaining, obscure references and stuff. There’s a few demonstrations of arrogance, refusal and stuff that while don’t directly display racism, are common traits in racists. Oh, and those rIpDoCtOrWhO people who think it’s suddenly gone woke, please consider what you comment on this video especially because, yk, if you keep supporting Lindy it’s really not a good look 😂
Nothing sudden about it, of course. Doctor Who always had this sort of agenda. In some cases it was done more subtly, in others more blatantly, but it was always there
Your video isnt really actually exploring msot of the racism, especially in the beginning its just talking about how shes unable to be independant and are really not needed. Could've been way more concentrated and shouldve removed parts like that and kept parts like the doctor in the beginning being "unsolicited"
@@ugolomb I don't know, I don't seem to remember every episode being about sex or race before. Most of the episodes now make me feel uncomfortable because every episode is about sex or race regardless of being gay or straight. While there are some instances in older episodes most I could watch with my family. While you are right, Doctor Who has had gay characters like Captain Jack in the past, or mixed race couples, like Rose and Mickey, they didn't bother anyone because they didn't rub it in our face and tell us every 10 seconds he was gay or that he was black, and most of all it didn't compromise story to get the point across. People accept things that are normalized. We don't have an issue with these themes, no one is homophobic or racist, we just dislike bad writing or not being inclusive of straight or white people (like news outlets getting on-board with the direction and not realizing saying the show "isn't for straight white males anymore" is actually a racist headline). I am, myself, gay and have a partner. My mother, is also gay. This show, makes gay or trans people uncomfortable. This show is for not for anyone.
Some of those things I wouldn´t consider racist but just being entitled which isn´t good either. It actually took me until the end to understand why she didn´t like the Doctor but considering that she also didn´t like Ruby very much (calling her stupid and being annoyed) I simply thought Lindy doesn´t like interacting with people she doesn´t know.
Yeah, a lot of these probably aren’t intentional and are just common traits in racists, but I found it really fun in a way this episode watching it back and picking up on these
I’m glad I’m not the only one who picked up on that. It’s like that Star Trek episode, The Drumhead. Guilt by association is not a crime. If someone has an otherwise innocuous or stupid trait that racists often have, that doesn’t make them racist. We as a forward thinking society often cast too wide a net for our own good. Also, if blindly obeying parents is racist, then heaven help us, and heaven help all the toddlers of 2024. Who’s got the conch?
@@benjaminstock5334 it’s just that those traits are common in racists and therefore it builds them up as one. It’s not just 1 reference or 1 trait, there’s blatant racism on top of multiple of these. I’m not saying that following influencers and being a hypocrite makes you racist, but when you have 20 of those correlated traits on top of the knowledge that they’re massively racist, it just paints a pictue
I first thought it was a classism thing, given that Finetime given that it was populated by only rich kids, but on reflection that does just fold into the racism and the effects of systemic racism.
One thing that jumped out at me through reading thr transcript was how Lindy responded to Ruby even though she was annoyed with her, she still paid attention. When the doctor talked to her or tried to encourage her, she called him condesending, etc.
Well, you picked the right video to make that comment. Personally, I think Gold is perfectly capable, but he doesn't do anything special. His music is fine, but it could have been written for any programme. Whereas Segun Akinola not only showed the same level of technical competence, but also re-introduced the musical innovation we often heard in classic Who. Akinola's scores push the envelope, and when you listen to them you know this is not just another soap opera.
@@Yduno29 Well that obviously can't say that, though a workaround to emphasize how Lindy felt about him would be constantly calling the Doctor 'outsider' or something of that nature
I guess you've never experienced contemptuous over politeness before. That use of 'Sir' others and denigrates the Doctor while maintaining a veneer of faux civility.
I watched some _Quantum Leap_ episodes on Syfy and another network a couple years back. They censored the N-word and both the R-word and the R-ed word for what's now called "autistic." I guess when it first came out live in the 1990s people could understand the context and deal with it, but not now.
most of these aren’t racism specifically, but general examples of groupthink. i think that’s kind of the point they’re making. racism is basically another kind of groupthink, much like doomscrolling
The absolute worst part about this episode for me personally was I did not even notice or flinch at any of the blatantly obvious racism that was being dangled in front of me. Only after seeing the end of the episode and after going back and rewatching did I realize how obvious it was. Really made me feel icky. But at the same time that's why I enjoyed the episode I don't consume media just so I can feel think and learn nothing
The gut punch from this episode, as The Doctor faced Lindy, when I suddenly realised every kid in FineTime was white. And the fact that I'd only just noticed. Because these things aren't subtle. The flags are super obvious in hindsight. I'd just dismissed them. I hadn't noticed. Which is what happens in real life. Privileged people don't see the little aggressions. The little aggressions that can be just as damaging as a slur. And this was an intensely powerful way to show that.
They could do shows where everyone is south-Asian or east-Asian or African, but they don't because it probably would cost too much. By contrast _Lost_ did an episode in Hawaii (where the series was filmed) with an African town for Eko's stories.
The singer said there was still thousands being eaten that day. But it looked like the Doctor and Ruby didn't stick around to try to save them too. Too bad if there was anyone decent with a last name of Q-Z.
1:16 wow, i analysed this episode before and never realised that. But that's an interesting answer to why tje doctor and ruby can't reach the inside of the bubble
The line that made me start to predict where this was going was "he's not as stupid as he looks" it's not a line that would normally make me think really at all just the fact that everyone else was white and she's basically saying the only person who isn't looks stupid was a huge red flag
dude this episode was so insanely good and when I realized what was happening with them being racist and not going with him to the Tardis I got literal chills. Not being able to save them because of THAT is just so sad
This is some really great meta-commentary, because as a white guy I'll admit that a lot of these moments went right over my head at first. I didn't realize that the racism was foreshadowed until the end of the episode. But to a black person, these types of aggressions are easily recognized. This episode forces the viewer to examine their own biases, because even if you may not personally be racist, you might still be unaware of racism happening around you, because it's not happening _to_ you. Even Ruby didn't notice the racism until it was literally in front of her face. Also having a 2 hour work shift would be a _godsend_ for us commoners. That doesn't have to do with anything, I just wish I could work for 2 hours and be able to afford my own home.
Russell clarified a few things on unleashed and bts, it’s sort of a mix of both ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ceDDC0vxm-4.htmlsi=ZeT1QYjvG2lntFeU
But that may be a coincidence, not having a non-white friend does not have to be related to racism. She is racist towards people who are different from her and less wealthy, there is no more talk
@@Zestieee i didnt notoce it either and god do i feel like a massive asshole. This episode really holds up a mirror to us like, forcing us to realise our own ignorance and privellage (to non poc viewers especially)
They seem to make a lot of shows inclusive or multicultural like modern London, but sometimes a character pops out at you, like the soldier-lady in the ambulance/landmine episode being of south-central Asian descent. I do sometimes think that (like the Time magazine article) if current trends continue and more people mix, then a show like this should have a society with mixed-race people that you can't quite tell what their parentage is, so can't fit them into a category.
It's not just racism but classism, privilege and xenophobia. Coupled with the, obnoxious arrogant insincere positive vibs and obsession with screens and technology that makes it a very despicable society.
@@Gothic7876 The A.I. also may have created those creatures on Homeworld since they were there too. But according to the computer, there were no survivors.
@@OliverSmithson-ir9fi There’s a deeper meaning. Racist societies are trapped in their own little bubbles, that’s what the bubble enclosing the city represented in FineTime, they’re secluded from the home world with a largely privileged demographic. Her not being able to function without her bubble shows how cut off she is and how she’s lost such basic abilities because she’s been blinded by prejudoce
Blue blood is quite a niche racist term that is about noble bloodlines and stuff, being so white you can see the blue veins. I’ll let you look up SS, just search SS racism or something It was a nazi state
People are way too focused on this agent thing people were so mad about two guys kissing when the bigger issue is that the doctor and that dude were not even the same species.
what really threw me off here is using the "rings of akhaten" music throughout the whole vid. very off-putting(yeah, no, sorry, bro. its just wrong usage of the music itself). everything else? fine(time) 😂
Some of this isn't racism, notice how they all look 'pretty' with their bright materialism, their social media personality appearance, no one even looks white and ugly, they've got their 'painting' as Shakespeare would say, their rose-tinted glasses. Censoring what you have to hear, not what you want to hear. In fact I was more disgusted by the cartoon design and bright colours, and cartoon-looking people. In the end I did think, 'why are they all white?' But it was their cake face appearance I was more grossed by. In truth I only came 10 minutes into the episode so I thought the Doctor did the whole 'hello, I'm the Doctor, I'm a timelord,' you know. Alienism- discrimination of non-humans.
Yk the bubble is metaphorical. Racist societies live in bubbles and are unable to do basic fundamental and natural human things without the support of the bubble
"Ricky obeys the Doctor"? Even with the biggest stretch of imagination, that has nothing to do with racism "[Lindsey] looks like fun because she's white"? They're all white
I'll quickly add to this chain of comments that yes, I agree that some lines are clear references. I just think you should have focused on them instead, this video could have been a lot shorter
@@NotAgnor What do you mean "racist societies are unable to do basic fundamental and natural human things?" - you can use the bubble metaphor and link it to racism (although that is just a dystopian black mirror-esque idea imo), but using being unable to walk is another enormous stretch of the imagination
It seemed a few days ago everyone hated this show for its sucky writing. Now we've all gotten used to it like I knew we would, so can we all please shut up?
I knew when Gatwa was announced as The Doctor they were gonna have some form of rasicm against him in an episode. There were similar moments with Martha, Bill, Yaz and Ryan in their respective seasons but with The Doctor I knew it had to be a whole episode. While Dot and Bubble is not one of my favorites, it definitely was a solid way to introduce The Doctor facing Racism.
I think that's a reference to colonizers or something. It didn't make much sense, after they had been told their whole lives (or since they got to the colony) not to go into the forest.
So when casting this episode they said, sorry we can’t have any POC in this episode and we can’t tell you why. Sorry but this is b*llsh*t. They looked back at the episode and retrofitted a woke story to create controversy.
Being woke is a good thing, look up the definition lmfao It’s very telling that you’re criticising the criticism of racism in the name of dismissing social injustice
The opposite of "woke" is "sleep" and those who want a white-supremacist, male chauvinist society (or ethnic equivalent in the Philippines or India) want good people to go back to sleep so they won't stop it.
I doubt many racists would have chosen to watch this episode, so I struggle to see who this message was for. It would have been more interesting had the antagonist been a political leader making questionable judgements/policies with race being the driving factor, like Trump or Priti Patel. This was pretty much preaching by numbers.
As others have pointed out in various discussions, part of the message is how insidious prejudice is (not just racism, there are others forms of prejudice as well, of course): even people who oppose it might miss it when it's right in front of them. Which is an important lesson for those of us who regard themselves as non/anti-racists. We might miss the cues in real life just as we did in this episode. Another point is that supremacism and racism are harmful to the racists, not just to those they act against. These people are basically going to die because of their own racism, not because of racism directed against them. Which is a point that even anti-racists don't always get
In addition to the (very good) reply above mine, it’s also worth remembering that Doctor Who isn’t just for adults! I can see this episode being a really good way to teach older children about racism, as well as teaching younger teens who are just starting to use social media how to spot common dogwhistles used by reactionary groups (like the ‘taming the wilderness like our ancestors’ rhetoric).
@@ugolomb I think its great when a white showrunner/writer looks to teach us about blatant or subliminal prejudice in a show of which the hand-picked production main staff of his are a white script editor, white director, 5 white producers, 2 white cinematographers, white casting director, white editor, white 2nd unit director, white production designer, white main camera and dolly operator, both white makeup artists and all the 7 white heads of the art departments. If the episode wins an award it’ll be fascinating seeing all of those faces up on stage holding the award wagging their finger at society. Or maybe they should have approached it from the Morgan Freeman view who famously said “How are we going to get rid of racism? Stop talking about it” But what would he know about it, RTD knows best🙄
@@NotAgnor The show sucks. It's bad writing. "White people are racist" is the message, because, hey, it's Disney. And what did we learn today? Disney is racist!
