When Doctor Who's continuity is on point: The Trickster 

Paul Marc Davis is your godfather?

@@PenneySounds Yes indeed!

@@basherboo He also worked with Capaldi, didn't he? He seemed to be one of their go-to character actors. Am I right that they used the same prosthetic teeth for the Trickster as the ones he wore as the Futurekind in "Utopia"?

@@PenneySounds I'm not sure. I know he played a timelord called trave who may have been in one of capaldis episodes but otherwise it would be a no as his main characters were the trickster who was basically just for Sarah Jane and then the utopia chieftan. Although I think you are correct that the original teeth of the trickster were the same as utopia I think they got changed out after a while

@@PenneySounds if I remember rightly they may even have them on show at the doctor who exhibit in Wales

Maybe that's why he hasn't appeared in ages 😂My man is just full

I never really understood why beings of chaos would destroy, destruction and death give way to order shouldn't they be aiming for creation and birth? More things tend to cause more chaos.

​@@Raximus3000 destruction gives space, space gets filled with noise, noise starts adhering to order. New things and creation gives the most chaos, but only when that new thing has the space. Otherwise a new thing will get absorbed into order, and make the order stronger. Even new creations of destruction will follow that pattern. Once you break through a glass ceiling, the next one is harder to break. So yes, new things bring chaos, but only to a ever limiting extend. But destruction, destruction assures a period of chaos, and makes it easier for the young new orders to be disrupted sooner. Hence why destruction brings better chaos than creation.

@@Raximus3000 I would think the perfect yin yang of chaos and order would be a snow flake. Random birth design of perfect order then ultimately melting away forever lost.

It depends if he can feast on chaos he didn't cause

Neither did I!

It makes so much sense! I love it when the New Series touches on these older ideas.

That’s crazy never thought he was an eternal

What are the eternals?

@@Dalekscientist God-Like beings who mostly appear in the Expanded Universe Stuff. They're to Time Lords what Time Lords are to human.

Have you had an accident that wasn't your fault? 🤣

a trip or fall? Then call Injury lawyers for you now. We work on a no win, no fee claim. And you keep 100% of the compensation.

I remember watching it when I was younger thinking it was the scariest thing ever! I properly believed him when he said he died from that fall. But I look at it now and it looks so tame 😂

He should have had Life Alert.

Reminds me of the IT Crowd 0118 999 881 999 119 7253 - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ab8GtuPdrUQ.html

Because of its lower budget, there are a lot of times when SJA felt a lot like classic Who. Particularly Tennant's episode, was was all set in one location. It felt like the Tenth Doctor starring in a 70s episode.

because it wasnt really a kids show, sure it was aimed at kids and was hosted on CBBC but it did explore more mature themes and was more for teenagers aswell as doctor who fans, the amount of references between torchwood, doctor who and the SJA is reason enough to watch all of them and rewatch them to catch references that you didnt realise before

@@RoboDoesEdits sure I get that, but it was on a childrens tv channel during the day, as well as being marketed to children with child main characters. There's a reason most british people around my age (16-17), including me, were "traumatised" by this show. Bradley Walsh in clown makeup haunts my nightmares.

@@jeffmoo9235 I mean, it's pretty mild compared to Doctor Who itself, which for some reason British people still call a children's programme. They even reused the false teeth for the Trickster from the much creepier looking character the same actor played in "Utopia"

@@PenneySounds sure, people call doctor who a kids show but it isn't on a childrens tv channel in the middle of the day, and it's always advertised as to be watched with parents. sja was just straight marketed as just for kids, which it is not.

@@jeffmoo9235 It was more for teens. The Harry Potter audience.

Ah, someone else has watched Farewell Sarah Jane!

The problem with the Trickster coming back is that his creator, Gareth Roberts, is a well known bigot at this point and given writers need to ask creators before using recurring characters (eg. Chibnall asking Russell before using the Judoon or asking Moffat for the Weeping Angels) I can’t see the BBC wanting to reach out to Roberts in any capacity. Even if it meant bringing back a fan-favourite villain.

@@isabelh5561 I think it's a courtesy these days, unlike with characters like K9 or the Yeti, but that is a point.

@@isabelh5561 I doubt Davies considers Roberts to be a bigot

@@isabelh5561 he's a bigot? I didn't know that damn... That's ruined Trickster for me

He's my favourite enemy

that could make for a really sweet and satisfying send off to sarah jane. Bring her companions back one last time

I am begging for RTD to bring back the trickster for absolutely no other reason than I want it turned into a figure. Either character or eaglemoss. I just need this guy in my house 🤣

@@obiwankenobi687 I just thought. He could use the trickster to retcon the timeless child.

@@nextgenkilla2140 RTD has already said he won't change anything Chibnall established in his run.

It had the advantage of having been filmed after. It was the last thing Tennant filmed as the character prior to returning for the 50th. But because it would release much earlier than his regeneration story, they could drop a tease like that in it.

@@PenneySounds Didn’t expect to be learning something new about those shows today.

That’s where I thought you were going with this. I kept thinking I would see Bill Potts and the Monks tied in somehow.

Very cool video! Blew my mind!

​@@leeci33 I can't see much connection between the Trickster and the Monks. The Monks probably wish they could actually change timelines like the Trickster does, instead of just manipulating people into believing everything has changed. And while the Trickster does require someone's agreement, he doesn't require consent, and has no issues with threatening and scaring and manipulating people into their agreement. The Monks require genuine consent out of love. It's an interesting concept, but not one I could really make a video from.

Not only that but he made Angela choose as a child. A child and in fear of dying. Who wouldn't take that deal whe your seconds from death and your 13 year old mind has only seconds to think of the consequences.

​@@123apacino Even Krizlok the Graske fell for a similar trick. Nothing like being in immediate mortal danger to make someone desperate enough to do something stupid.

exactly. it's paramount that he returns.

now thats acting

Which episode was that?

@@blaQI_roch Series 4 Episode 7: Immortal Sins

@@adnandlala , Thanks! /hero

@@blaQI_roch thats their only mention in the episode btw

@@Lee-xm1xk /high five

I like to think that Donna was targeted because of what the Trickster learned from Sarah Jane. But it could just be that the Trickster's brigade are all over the place and they can sniff out people with potential to create chaos they can feed off of. Either way, they bit off more than they could chew with Donna, and I wish the Doctor had mentioned that to the Trickster when they finally met. Davies seems to really like the Trickster as a villain. I'm crossing my fingers that he'll do something super ambitious with the 60th special, and have the Trickster create a timeline in which the First Doctor never left Gallifrey, showing us each Doctor in sequence living an unremarkable Gallifreyan life, as the universe falls to pieces without them.

@@PenneySounds that sounds epic, that would make an excellent story and especially a sixtieth anniversary special.

@@PenneySounds Honestly they're either missing out or just saving the trickster, because think about it. In alot of the series/seasons theres always a big bad being built up, but the doctor hardly faces the Trickster's Brigade and The Trickster himself, itd be insane to see him in the show as a villain in a mega plot

Right!! Because it was all part of the plan from the trickster!!

@@zinoxechill agreed he’s never really faced the trickster one on one just in the wedding of Sarah Jane smith he faced him and had a brief chat

*piano shuts*

We are definitely the ones who wait, waiting so many years for the trickster to finally show up in DW!

Which makes me think of "Love and Monsters" when they said the Doctor failed to save Elton's mother from a living shadow that escaped from "The Howling Halls". And here we have the Doctor saying he's fought the Trickster's shadows.

He was actually there was a wanted poster for him in series 8 during capaldi era and tenth Doctor said he faced members of trickster team during series 4

​@@ASS-tb3mqbut it was never there ... Just passing stories

hell the great intelligences henchmen in that episode even look like the trickster

@@jeffmoo9235 Yh but why didn’t the trickster show up in Doctor who is he scared of The Doctor or something

Unless the Trickster is the great intelligence

@@ASS-tb3mq i think its more the trickster aint got a body alot of his plans work on manipulation the only thing he could possibly offer the doctor wouldent work cus the doctor is fully aware of who and more exactly what the trickster is if your ancient as hell nearly as old as the unvierse would you try and go vs a guy who killed his own species along with half of the universe in the time war and is willing to at his worst commit multiple genocides or would you aim to manipulate people who are below the age of 100 basically infants on a galactic timescale. Plus its been hinted the trickster does keep track of the doctor's travels which means he is aware who the doctor has defeated over his life so he knows the doctor has taken on old one's the eternals and many other dark times or pre universe beings he even took out the supposed devil of creation if you saw a guy running around dressed like a nutter running around taking out your equals and people 100x stronger then you woulden't you play it safe

Personally think the GA and the Trickster are probably part of the same species of pre-universal Lovecraftian Abominations, or at least, the Trickster is an extremely powerful rouge Eternal who decides to take the Eternal's games much, much further, and perhaps worships the Old Ones and their methods. The Pantheon of Discord could be an alternate name for the Great Old Ones, and the similarity in methods to both the Celestial Toymaker and Fenric (in their use of games, tricks and playing with people for their own ends) rather firmly stamps him in their vamp IMO. I love the Doctor Who universe. Who would have thought this Saturday night family show would have produced such a menagerie of wonderful gods and demons, and that a fuckinh CBBC kids show would produce one of the vilest and best of them.

The one who waits?

That's super interesting! I certainly can't think of any examples. Not enemies, but Arcanteenians appear in SJA and Torchwood, but not Doctor Who as far as I'm aware. Is there anything else only the spinoffs share?

@@maniraptavia4008 The TARDIS. Of course, it only appeared in audio in Torchwood, but it counts.

@@dominickeijzer5844 Yeah, I was thinking that, but for the life of me I couldn't remember if it was any more then Gwen standing amongst flying papers, but I guess not.

@@maniraptavia4008 I mean, there was the noise.

@@dominickeijzer5844 True

The new disney plus trailer looks like it actually could have the trickster in!

Sadly, I doubt they’ll ever bring the Trickster back given he’s a creation of Gareth Roberts.

@@DuelaDent52RTD stated in an interview that certain pantheons will be returning. So I’m highly inclined to believe he’s referring to the Pantheon of Discord. I hope we see Trickster again, there’s so much you can do with a character as powerful as he is.

The new episode confirms they're bringing back to pantheon, so it's possible!

Okay so after watching the newest episode, the music that first comes out of ruby is the same as the Tricksters theme, a unique and somewhat forgotten tone, but it’s funny when you write down all the similarities/connections so far and then cross ref with TSJA trickster stuff… either it’s a HUGE reach, or a flippin HUGE connection.

No. Delivered her from the pantheon.

Rip

Popped up for me today lol

Every couple weeks there's another huge surge to this video but not to the others in this series, so here's the playlist for those who haven't seen the other videos: ru-vid.com/group/PLvHBrKjnqU7lZdRrJirLqCR7jMFAnfG1c

I still am looking to find the Sarah Jane adventures on dvd. The series was so good. They had it on prime for a while then got rid of it

@@jamesmayle3787 no

I wouldn't do too much of that thinking stuff if i were you

Chibnall might have shared ideas with Davies.

7:52

It might have been unintentional foreshadowing

Please

I am almost certain he's coming back. He's probably the "oldest one" who Maestro talks about.

Why?

The shadows could refer to the thing that killed Elton's mother in "Love And Monsters" DOCTOR: There was a shadow in your house. A living shadow in the darkness. An elemental shade had escaped from the Howling Halls. I stopped it, but I wasn't in time to save her. I'm sorry. "Howling Halls" could bring things back around to the Eternals again: DOCTOR: This is a Void Ship. YVONNE: And what is that? DOCTOR: Well, it's impossible for starters. I always thought it was just a theory, but it's a vessel designed to exist outside time and space, travelling through the Void. RAJESH: And what's the Void? DOCTOR: The space between dimensions. There's all sorts of realities around us, different dimensions, billions of parallel universes all stacked up against each other. The Void is the space in between, containing absolutely nothing. Imagine that. Nothing. No light, no dark, no up, no down, no life, no time. Without end. My people called it the Void. The Eternals call it the Howling. But some people call it Hell.

My prediction is the Trickster is the "oldest one" who was respondible for Ruby being dropped of as a baby, and that Sutekh is the one who waits

It's awsome he was mentioned in new episode.

The Trickster is rumoured to be in Season 2.

They had the advantage that this story was written after that one. Tennant had almost completely finished filming for "The End of Time", except for a few effects shots. So they could drop in some foreshadowing.

Id rather see Q face the Black Guardian.

I realllly hope he returns!

Watch him be the "oldest one" who was responsible for Ruby being dropped off as a baby

@@jellybabiesarecool4657 especially with the memory changing with that finger pointing

There are some interesting references to Clyde and Rani in the video game "The Lonely Assassins". Apparently Clyde turned his experience with homelessness into a lifelong vocation to help the homeless. And I think he's still trying to find "Ellie". Rani was who Larry Nightingale ended up sharing his Wester Drumlins story with and you can read her article about it in the game. I highly recommend playing it.

And K-9, please don't forget K-9...

I love these mentions so much, there's so much stuff that makes it seem like the trickster will appear in the new episode. But it feels too good to be true istg

Yes, his brigade was so brutal on the Turn Left episode, his minion almost killed the Doctor and all his allies on modern Earth!

THE PANTHEON sounds so villainous

It goes deeper than I'm quite sure how to make sense of. What's the Trickster's connection with the Black Guardian? I don't know. But there certainly seems to be one.

@@PenneySounds You know how in like Greek Mythology when the God's pissed about they'd create other mythological creatures? They made creatures out of clay, some formed from the flesh cut from their body, some from unholy intimacy, like Cyclops, Centaurs, Sirens etc. My head canon is its a bit like that. The God's being the Guardians of Time and the Eternals being their demi-god like children created in one way or another. Then The Pantheon of Discord are all specifically the bastard children of the Black Guardian created by him either accidentally or on purpose over his unimaginably long life. Chaos creates discord. Then obviously the brigade are beings or creatures that the Trickster has recruited over the years to help him with his schemes.

​@@GenGaara Could be. "Can You Hear Me?" was a nice return to these discussions about immortal beings in the Whoniverse. Maybe there will be more.

@@EternalPayne He refers to Eternals as "they", suggesting he isn't himself one. But these things are all very vague.

@@EternalPayne "Eternal" doesn't even seem to be a race, but just a descriptor of beings who live outside time. It's hard to say who qualifies as one.

The show has always brought back classic villains while introducing new ones

@@PenneySounds Fair point

Fun fact this was film after the end of time the wedding of Sarah Jane was the last scenes David filmed as the doctor till 2013.

@@lucifersdevilishdetails. oh I know that probably why I love that episode that much but thank you 👍

Trickster 🗣🗣🗣

I’m here to get voice clips of the trickster