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All that Jazz w/Mike Stern - June 2013 - the Half-Whole Symmetrical Diminished Scale 

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Last month, I discussed ways for guitar players to expand their improvising vocabulary. I'm a big proponent of transcribing other musicians' solos, including those played on other instruments, such as the saxophone, trumpet or piano, for example. This has been a lifelong endeavor for me, one that I still enjoy and feel that I greatly benefit from every time I pursue it.
I started out as a blues-rock guitarist and spent a lot of time figuring out licks by such great players as Jimi Hendrix, Jeff Beck, B.B. King and Buddy Guy, and I still love those guys. I eventually got some jazz records and tried to play along with them, but I got completely lost. It seemed that the vocabulary of jazz was so much more difficult-not necessarily better, just different. I favored the simplest stuff, and I still do, because it grabs my heart, and music is a language of the heart. But I was very intrigued by jazz and yearned to expand my knowledge of the guitar and music by studying that language.

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@Modes9
@Modes9 11 лет назад
Mike is just a regular guy with a lot of heart. He's really modest and unpretentious. In a world of no-talent, obnoxious self-promoters, his kind of integrity is refreshing.
@ArisAlamanos
@ArisAlamanos 9 лет назад
This guy has such a positive vibe.Great man and player.
@dhadleyray
@dhadleyray 10 лет назад
As a professional musician, I found the intro as useful as the musical content. To have someone that has been in the game as long as Mike sharing that even he had the same feelings toward jazz as many of us is personal and endearing. Some of the comments on here are unnecessary. Mike's track record speaks for itself. Be mature people.. Musicians and that damn hyper critical mindset is truly an amateur predisposition. Too much of it will see you off the gig.. Find a way to express an opinion without coming off as an ass. Music is a spiritual endeavor, we should remember that.. Cheers..
@Poppafunkband
@Poppafunkband 6 лет назад
dhadleyray totally
@fullmoon7192
@fullmoon7192 6 лет назад
*@ dhadleyray* ```````````````````````` Well said... Amen to your words bro...
@fullmoon7192
@fullmoon7192 6 лет назад
*@ verbotenco* ```````````````````````` You're talking to yourself, right (?)
@AlexSosaBolivia
@AlexSosaBolivia 6 лет назад
Well said. Most of the negativity is born out of frustration.
@PabloArceo-synclab
@PabloArceo-synclab 5 лет назад
dhadleyray absolutely.
@rhard007
@rhard007 4 года назад
Every guitarist, not guitar player that I have ever met has always been humbled by the instrument. Listen to any conversation with anyone that has spent a lifetime trying to master the guitar and they are completely humbled by the instrument but these are the guys that can really play.
@aghoriguitarist
@aghoriguitarist 2 месяца назад
Huge respect for you for intentionally choosing the words 'guitarists' & 'guitar players'. Not every "guitar player" will get that :)
@TheHumbuckerboy
@TheHumbuckerboy 8 лет назад
I'm impressed by how humble and down-to-earth Mike is as well as his eagerness to share his knowledge !
@rillloudmother
@rillloudmother 7 лет назад
that's acommon thread among a lot of great players: humility.
@TheHumbuckerboy
@TheHumbuckerboy 7 лет назад
Yes, those type of people are the real thing with nothing to prove.
@holdencaustic
@holdencaustic 6 лет назад
I’ve seen mike live several times- his vocabulary is endless, and his time is ridiculous- he’s just awesome
@Graiskye
@Graiskye 9 лет назад
There is a instructional video that Mike did a while back, a webinar if I recall, in it he relates how he got into playing Jazz. Long story short, to get right to the point, Mike sucked at jazz at first, he said he had all the desire and passion to play, just none of the technical ability, and he honestly thought he would never get to the point where he could play with feeling and without thinking, playing Jazz in what you might call its pure form. He relates how his teachers(he sought out some good teachers to try to learn Jazz, he was a rock blues player till that point, playing strictly by ear), his instructors basically told him that he would suck for quite a while, thats just the way it is. To get from point A to point B, was going to require some boring practice and study. There are very few Jazz virtuosos, most of the greats worked long and hard to get there. This is such an important lesson for every style of music, it doesnt matter if its metal, flamenco, classical, or country, if its new, and technically demanding(dont laugh theres some very technical country picking), it is going to take work to learn, and you are probably going to sound like crap while your learning, and that is OK. There is a lot of freedom in simply allowing oneself to sound cruddy, to sound like a beginner again, it sounds crazy, and non sensical, but it actually holds water. Just a little Mike Stern wisdom that really affected my outlook that I thought I would share in hopes of it doing the same for others, sorry I cannot recall the name of the Video, I just saw the starting bit, and he talks about his early days and influences etc, and how badly he sucked at Jazz guitar when he started.
@talawa777
@talawa777 6 лет назад
Isn't that in this video?
@jschmoe4211
@jschmoe4211 6 лет назад
That is a great comment Graiskye. Allowing youself to sound crummy, during practice time, is how you fill in the holes in your playing. It is interesting that humility, generally, increases as one pursues a deeper knowledge of a complex subject. To put it crudely, as you delve into complex endeavours, you get your ass kicked by the subject. When you're working with simpler forms it's easy to think of yourself as a master, and to fool yourself in to this self image. Taking on advanced, complex things shows your limitations. So, does seeing other accomplished musicians do things that you cannot do, without a lot of practice. So, you learn to live with the idea that you have limitations, that other's work is valuable, that you'll ALWAYS be learning, and that to advance, you'll always need to practice. In short, you become humbled and a lifetime student.
@Jplent1
@Jplent1 5 лет назад
Graiske...Really big into the suck thing.
@bh8365
@bh8365 4 года назад
What a positive person. I've been watching some interviews and live clips. He is inspiring.
@zodiacbluesbaby
@zodiacbluesbaby 11 лет назад
His preamble is actually quite interesting. A lot of guitarists can relate to his experiences getting to grips with jazz.
@ampeg
@ampeg 3 года назад
thanks mike, your honesty on the daunting task of learning jazz was extremely helpful. That a master like yourself felt like others and I do was great to relate too.
@BunkleMcCrunkle
@BunkleMcCrunkle 8 лет назад
Mike Stern is the nicest guy in jazz.
@seriousorry
@seriousorry 8 лет назад
I hope you find the mental health professional you require. Seek help my friend! It's there for you. The first step is to admit you have a problem. Good luck.
@hahabass
@hahabass 7 лет назад
I know! Jeez. Makes you wonder what goes on for some people? Well said.
@hahabass
@hahabass 7 лет назад
Juan2003gtr who is?
@aynrandy1
@aynrandy1 7 лет назад
+Juan2003gtr So what if he is,(which he probably isn't), he's not in your face about so it's his fuckin business.
@hahabass
@hahabass 7 лет назад
Hear, hear! Sounds like a troubled childhood.
@TremorBear
@TremorBear 9 лет назад
Thank you Mike Stern for sharing your incredible talent!
@EVEROSFP1
@EVEROSFP1 2 года назад
Music is a language of the heart... one of the best in this lesson!
@georgemorris4142
@georgemorris4142 5 лет назад
thanx Mike 4 the chat , inspiring to keep learning & reopen my ears & brain & keep picking & digging & listening
@eltigre8978
@eltigre8978 9 лет назад
Mike is such a cool player, his fluidity and phrasing......Awesome! I'm going to learn scale. What a cool mood! I just watched the Paris Concert with Bob Franceschini - Tenor Sax, Richard Bona - Bass, Dennis Chambers - Drums. Man Mike can play! All those cats can play! Richard Bona! Dennis Chambers! Bob Franceschini......all those solos are awesome.
@CrossBonesAlex
@CrossBonesAlex 9 лет назад
One of my favorite DVDs - unbelievable perfection
@cliffdexter38
@cliffdexter38 8 лет назад
Hey Mike... Thanks So Much for this explanation, it was just what I needed to hear.. This really helped me ! YOUR GREAT MAN !
@superflysoulbrother
@superflysoulbrother 3 года назад
God I love this man to pieces
@shredsixsixsix9218
@shredsixsixsix9218 10 лет назад
That's a signature lick I've heard him play a million times and never know what it was ,pretty cool.
@DanielVerberne
@DanielVerberne 5 лет назад
Wow, Mike talking about 'spacing out' when studying music theory - I relate so strongly. Sounds like despite the challenges he's become fluent and that's the goal. I envy that.
@jazzerson7087
@jazzerson7087 7 лет назад
Superb, so encouraging and good to know a guy like Stern had the EXACT same feelings I have about learning jazz haha. Makes me feel a lot better about myself LOL.
@danhope77
@danhope77 8 лет назад
the language of the heart. Well said.
@Marcus538
@Marcus538 5 лет назад
What a video! Probably my favourite player or one of them .
@chrisfarrugia5397
@chrisfarrugia5397 6 лет назад
Jazz certainly expands the musical menu
@yusazua
@yusazua 9 лет назад
When Mr Mike talk you just shut up and listen.
@kingkpin100
@kingkpin100 8 лет назад
Couldn't have said it better!
@tonyred520
@tonyred520 8 лет назад
And boy does he talk..got fed up waiting
@barakados
@barakados 6 лет назад
I listen when he plays! 8 min talks 40 seconds playing!
@DrJoshGuitar
@DrJoshGuitar 4 года назад
I always like it when successful cats say how they struggled to get it. That really makes me want to keep going when I get frustrated.
@CrAzzyWak
@CrAzzyWak 10 лет назад
The first 5 minutes just changed my life.
@pat557
@pat557 11 лет назад
That SNL show was the first time i ever saw Mike...Full Stop. he was playing out of his mind.Stunning. the vocabulary he was dealing with was so beyond anything I'd heard before-- I knew we weren't in Kansas anymore...
@michaelandersson1904
@michaelandersson1904 8 месяцев назад
mike is one of my great heroes! Thank you for all music!!!
@MichaelCrutcher
@MichaelCrutcher 3 года назад
The thing that's missing from this lesson is that this dominant-diminished pattern can be played from any whole step in the scale. Sticking with the G7 root chord, we could play this pattern from B, D, F, or Ab. B->C#, F->G, Ab->Bb, D->E, or D->E, Ab->Bb, B->C#, F->G, or F->G, B->C#, D->E, Ab->BB, or the first one cited by Stern, which was Ab->Bb, D->E, F->G, B->C# The same half-step/whole-step pattern in a different order of root notes. Same fingering pattern moved around the neck. Brilliant.
@dahamus
@dahamus Год назад
"Music is a language and it's a language of the heart".... top quote from this lesson.
@DannyGomez666
@DannyGomez666 11 лет назад
This is awesome because it feels like he's having a conversation with you about it. It's so cool!
@stephanleo
@stephanleo 6 лет назад
The difference between a pro and a clueless amateur: Amateur:" yawn, 5 minutes of talk, playing starts at..." Pro: "Wow, very inspiring words in the beginning and the playing is also great, love Mike!"
@Duxelles84
@Duxelles84 4 года назад
Agreed.
@jean-lucbersou758
@jean-lucbersou758 10 лет назад
Interesting explanation on the journey from rock to bop !
@Echocat59
@Echocat59 5 лет назад
Amazing player. Amazing natural way of speaking to high concept in way cool manner.
@ibanezguitars4021
@ibanezguitars4021 9 лет назад
I love how he looks at the guitar and talks to it! LOL
@iZephyr6
@iZephyr6 7 лет назад
Amazing video, after watching this I wrote one page of ideas from that, thanks a lot.
@Frapzoid
@Frapzoid 10 лет назад
I did the same thing 40 years ago and haven't looked back. You made the right move.
@jasoncavitt2043
@jasoncavitt2043 7 лет назад
For mind expansion, listen to the above. For mind contraction, read what's below.
@6672rock
@6672rock 7 лет назад
So take the root of whatever chord your playing, go a half step higher and play diminished licks that eventually resolve on the root. Ingenious idea!
@tubeman1983
@tubeman1983 4 года назад
It's not for whatever chord you're playing: Half whole diminished scale for Dominant chords and whole half diminished scale for minor and diminished chords.
@railcar123
@railcar123 7 лет назад
Great lesson Mikes the man
@eeobeeob
@eeobeeob 8 лет назад
Thank you Mike!
@deanmacka4975
@deanmacka4975 6 лет назад
Really great stuff mate I like playing that way pretty cool
@WickBeavers
@WickBeavers Год назад
Great lesson! Thanks.
@murky9554
@murky9554 Год назад
his energy is admirable
@petersalmon4203
@petersalmon4203 6 лет назад
"music is a language, and a language of the heart". Nice line.
@KiraPlaysGuitar
@KiraPlaysGuitar 3 года назад
Have I seen this? I don't know but glad to be here either way.
@ouncy
@ouncy 9 лет назад
Legend sharing the wealth.
@tatialo37
@tatialo37 3 года назад
Great video,!
@pb12661
@pb12661 Год назад
Love that guitar. 👍👍🤘🤘
@jesse5694
@jesse5694 3 года назад
Legend, down to earth, smokin' player. Have always loved his playing and I also love his teaching style. Thanks.
@DHgtr1
@DHgtr1 Год назад
Hi..Great video..I always loved his sig. guitar ...reminds me of a late 60s early 70s tele I had..with neck Humbucker...tho Im sure it has a flatter radius..Thanks again....Dave
@Aquallamy
@Aquallamy 11 лет назад
I just want to say thanks!
@luigibeatrice7857
@luigibeatrice7857 5 лет назад
Heartwarming
@mggandcompany2395
@mggandcompany2395 10 лет назад
im also a rock guy transitioning over to jazz fusion... thanks for the video
@mikedegroff7766
@mikedegroff7766 9 лет назад
man, Mike Stern is such a dude.
@erikshen1107
@erikshen1107 2 года назад
His wife Leni IS A WORLD CLASS Player as well!!
@jeffreybrown271
@jeffreybrown271 3 года назад
Mike Stern is always so real.
@robertosozio3425
@robertosozio3425 5 лет назад
Great Lession good
@meganote
@meganote 5 лет назад
Well said Mike!
@AtanasovPetar
@AtanasovPetar 11 лет назад
Mike always had great sense of changes and rhythm,the hardest things to get.
@erikshen1107
@erikshen1107 2 года назад
'Mike didn't come to the gig to get high...MIKE STAYED HIGH!" MILES DAVIS
@janekvu2383
@janekvu2383 2 года назад
damn it...even Mike Stern says jazz is hard...this is super motivated and demotivated at the same time :p
@PrimoSchnevi
@PrimoSchnevi 11 лет назад
I Love Mike Stern. Havent seen the video though yet :D
@progbean
@progbean 9 лет назад
thankyou!
@marioboscolo9744
@marioboscolo9744 2 года назад
Il più creativo fra i chiarristi attuali ed anche uno fra i più tecnici. Nel complesso, di granlunga il mio chitarrista fusion preferito.
@NocyMusic
@NocyMusic 6 лет назад
Play with your heart like Mike does notes don’t matter as much music is the greatest as long as you love what you do
@TheMusicmak3r
@TheMusicmak3r 29 дней назад
Awesome
@Mortison77577
@Mortison77577 10 лет назад
Thanks.
@superagnitio
@superagnitio 11 лет назад
Yes yes yes, I'm at that point and any minor advancement in jazz is helping me big time with my straight rock/blues thing
@SuperMIKEFREE
@SuperMIKEFREE 9 лет назад
Mike's a great guitarist, really nice of him to drop in and share this important lick with us. I'm a 57 year old, I've played guitar most of my life "not pro--hobby" and like many guitarist my age and older,we all seem to have plenty of hair on our heads lol. Seriously,what is it with guitarist, Look at the head of hair Mike has for a 62 year old. All That Hair/Jazz
@eweeparker
@eweeparker 9 лет назад
Met this man with Eric Johnson and wow what a couple of nice guys!
@Cablespelaonica
@Cablespelaonica 11 лет назад
You can tell this guy practices all day...#Hero
@jazzman1954
@jazzman1954 16 дней назад
For those struggling. Ab diminished is G7b9 if you have a G in the root. The whole/half thing is just a scale. If you start that scale on the g it goes half whole step. If you start on the Ab it’s whole/half but it’s exactly the same set of notes that fit Ab dim or G7b9. He then takes 4 notes from the scale (cell) and moves it around in a pattern by sliding the last note of the cell up a half step. This is a complex advanced tool that’s a million miles from blues rock. Good luck and don’t do drugs.
@MrEyebrowz
@MrEyebrowz 11 лет назад
Really interesting.
@tomdecuca3627
@tomdecuca3627 2 года назад
Don't come any better than Mike Stern!! Been listening to him since early 80s with Miles Davis! For me the guys in Jazz and Fusion music were so much more "human" than rockstar players.
@larrynapier5003
@larrynapier5003 7 лет назад
I hope you are doing well Mike
@mahajohn
@mahajohn 11 лет назад
8:23 ripped the boundaries of spacetime, and caused Edward Munch to paint "The Scream."
@aaronamccoy
@aaronamccoy 11 лет назад
mike didnt get high, mike stayed high~miles davis
@Duxelles84
@Duxelles84 4 года назад
Lmfao
@rillloudmother
@rillloudmother 3 года назад
if miles wants to send you to rehab, you know you've got something wrong -MS
@MoechtegernPimP
@MoechtegernPimP 4 года назад
this sounds a lot like the brecker brothers - some skunk funk! is this actually what they used?
@MoechtegernPimP
@MoechtegernPimP 4 года назад
Ah just found out it's true. "Some Skunk Funk" starts with G7#9 thats actually the chord for the half-whole tone diminished scale :) that's cool!
@ukulelechriswilson
@ukulelechriswilson 7 лет назад
Wouahhhh about 6 min One chords G7 ! The best
@eliaspap8708
@eliaspap8708 4 года назад
Great insight, Lost it towards the end, You wouldn’t have the scale diagram and which chords starting from what point?
@danhope77
@danhope77 3 года назад
He's smart and humble
@soundcard6619
@soundcard6619 4 года назад
respect
@thestreetman5284
@thestreetman5284 7 лет назад
super
@beeastman1235
@beeastman1235 7 лет назад
Is this the scale Scofield uses in his solos with Miles Davis to take it 'out'?
@Chrisdougable
@Chrisdougable 10 лет назад
Is this the guy that used to jam with Jaco Pastorius?
@michaelmeza1913
@michaelmeza1913 4 года назад
yes. on Mood Swings !
@MichaelCrutcher
@MichaelCrutcher 3 года назад
Yes. There's some great live material out there of him playing with Jaco...
@beeastman1235
@beeastman1235 8 лет назад
What can I play to sound out on Hendrix tunes??
@TheLochs
@TheLochs 4 года назад
this makes me realize these monsters of music are human just like us. He struggled, I'm struggling, lol. I feel better.
@trouble1macker202
@trouble1macker202 11 лет назад
"Just because I felt like doin' it." To that I reply, "FUCK YEAH!"
@VioletDeliriums
@VioletDeliriums 11 лет назад
I think the point he is making is that the lesson listed in the title starts at 5:30, and he didn't want to listen to his life story before that. I have to say I kind of agree with him. The practical music theory comes after 5:30, right? He says skip to that if you are more interested in what the title says the video does.
@frankie.d1127
@frankie.d1127 8 лет назад
Could this also work over dominant 7#9 chords?
@Ark4evah
@Ark4evah 8 лет назад
+Francois DuJour yeah, Half wholestep contains all the notes you require to play over dominant #9
@megajames3000
@megajames3000 10 лет назад
Mood swings by mike is such good fucking song
@niptodstan
@niptodstan 5 лет назад
As a rock player this stuff goes over key head. But I wish I had time to learn it.
@babinm
@babinm 9 лет назад
mikeIt I think i got something from your talk about you and me. The truth is we listened to so much blues but we felt it and it came out but jazz to make it come out is the same thing listeneing. there are so many jazz artists to listen to especially their early stuff that we just don't do it as much and the music doesn't come out as much. just reminds me of the importance of listening to and dissecting jazz playing especially horns and piano to break out of mechanicl learning.
@gigarocker
@gigarocker 10 лет назад
Is he wearing a backpack? Such sweg, wow. Great player
@trueblueyou6114
@trueblueyou6114 9 лет назад
I remember when I first heard this guy-"who TF is this guy"--such a nice style
@Lupocide
@Lupocide 9 лет назад
This is the scale Jonny Greenwood uses on Radiohead's "Just". Just saying.....
@stupidusername38
@stupidusername38 11 лет назад
That pattern is a m7b5 arpeggio
@Happy-Me.
@Happy-Me. 11 лет назад
I have the Mike Stern Tele and thinking of selling!
@fattirevsbud
@fattirevsbud 7 лет назад
If someone plays a 1-4-5 progression in minor let's say A minor I realized that I can play G Major over it. Can anyone explain this to me? It seems to work on other notes as well like over B minor 1/4/5 progression would be a A major scale.I'm not very good at theory. Also my other trck is to play minor relative on major chords for example on G major prograssions I'll play E minor pentatonic.
@rileymerino6340
@rileymerino6340 6 лет назад
fattirevsbud I’m finding it hard to understand... at one point you said a 1-4-5 in A minor but then later you said A major? If you can play a G major scale over it then it’s probably A Dorian, which is slightly different from A natural minor; you would have a natural 6 (F#) instead of flat 6 (F). It’s a little brighter. I don’t know if you are hip to your modes but A Dorian comes from the parent G major scale, so I wonder if that’s maybe what you’re thinking? And E minor pentatonic does work over G major, but once you’re confident with that, try to move on to something else; the pentatonic scale is nice in its own right and some jazz cats use it in really interesting ways, but ultimately it’s kinda colorless. Pentatonic scales are just kinda shells of 7 note scales, and as a result it limits your vocabulary and you sound a little bland if you overuse it. Phenomenal players like Zakk Wylde have been criticized their whole career for abusing the minor pentatonic and not challenging themselves to explore more interesting scales.
@nonh8nsk8r
@nonh8nsk8r 5 лет назад
fattirevsbud Do a search for "modes on guitar". Basically, let's say you have a C scale (C D E F G A B C). Play 8 notes starting on C, you have a C major scale (Ionian mode). Play 8 notes starting on D (D E F G A B C D), you have a minor scale (Dorian mode). Play 8 notes starting on A (A B C D E F G A), you have a different sounding minor scale (Aolian mode). This works in any key ( C D Bb, etc.).
@youngevil353
@youngevil353 5 лет назад
G major only has one sharp, f#. By using this major over aminor all you are doing is making the 6 of aminor sharp (or the 7th note flat). So your playing Amin 1-2-3-4-5-6-b7-. The related symmetrical diminished scale of a minor scale will contain -1-2-3-b4-5-b6-b7-b1. Notice it contains that b7. Maybe thats why it sounds so strange/ melodic?
@GuitarUniverse2013
@GuitarUniverse2013 5 лет назад
If you're playing an A minor chord, and your soloing using a G major scale, what you're actually doing is using a mode. Mode is just another name for scale. And contemporary jazz Theory we speak of major scales and the three different kinds of minor scales. And then, when those sounds begin to be manipulated by new starting points, we call them modes. so using a minor as your total Center and playing a G Major scale would give you the following: A minor G scale is g,a b,c,d,e,f#,g where the g is the minor 7th a is the 1 b is the 2 (actually called 9) c is the minor 3rd d the 4 (actually called 11) e is the 5th f# is the 6th (or the 13th if you're playing an A minor 7th chord) To better understand the F sharp as mentioned above, think about it this way. if you play a Triad and then add the sixth degree you have a 4 Note chord that you would call a minor 6 or a major 6 depending on what you did to the 3rd degree of the scale. but if you were playing a 4 Note 7th chord in this case a, c, e, g, then that F-sharp is not a chord tone, but rather, it is a tension because you're playing against a four-note seventh chord instead of a three-note Triad. go to the keyboard or your guitar and muck about with it and it'll make a lot more sense. You'll hear it.
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