Amen brother 👍🏼 have been a regular user of this method through the last 7/8 years though tip from my side: hole punches are designed with holding standard flights in place for the punch, it's trickier to align correctly for pear & kite flights 🙄
There are no cons in my opinion. My shafts last so much longer with punched flights and slot lock rings. No more robin hoods and no flights falling of anymore. I love it!
Been playing for two years and only just started using punched flight. Have not had one Robin Hood or flight come out of the stem in the past month used to get them all the time when grouping together. Awesome
I've never tried these because I followed your example and switched to Cosmo super kite flights about three months ago. Flights are still in perfect condition, and no messing with broken rings, stems, flights, etc. Expensive, but worth it, and probably save money in the long run. Thanks for the tips and excellent videos, WD!
I've used punched flights for a long time with ti rings. You're totally right about the stem durability. With storm points on my darts and punched flights I've been using the same flights and stems for about 4 months now, playing about 3 hours/week.
For me there is one major con to this... they click when you shake the darts. The rings make noise and I am constantly trying to tighten shafts and checking soft tips. Quite annoying! the are tight when using brand new shafts only.
Ti rings are a must with punched flights!.. short money and they don’t blow up on Robin Hood’s.. that being said.. those 180s look a lot nicer with standard flights.. also proven that standard shape flights reduce shoulder injuries 🤔... go Celtics!!!
I was looking into one of these flight punches from mission, though just wondering, does it have to be the rings from Mission darts or can you use other rings from a different brand, e.g Harrows ?
The rings you get with stems are crap Springs are honestly the best and most durable The rings just bust up so easy Only issue I have are in a game they are fiddly to change , but I carry round 1 or 2 made up ready to go
I use a flight protector and bang it on a glass chopping board to secure it more. Then take the protector off. It makes it easier to get them on tighter. I use standard cheap nylon stems and target titanium slot lock rings.
@@BartoniGaming Yea I don't use ane flight protectors. I do punch my flights however it does seem to prevent the stem from breaking as much. I always use the designa stems. Just can't beat um unless you are going for looks
@@BartoniGaming I've used them before and the extra width on the flights killed me. That little extra on the back makes my 140's. 61's. I wont say I shoot 180s ever that's just me lying lol
Sooooo... now I have to add another product to my DartsCorner shopping basket. Every time I make a purchase there I put a comment on my order and it reads. “I loving using DartsCorner. I purchase at DartsCorner Because of the recommendation of World Wide Darts” I always give you credit for my patronage there.
That's awesome! Thank you so much! Hopefully they'll keep the discount code (wwide8) around for a long time since they know I'm sending players their way. Cheers Michael! 👍
I was going through stems like crazy for a while so I tried switching to cosmo and L style stems and flights. Didn't try the flight punch. But I love love loooooove the L style! Such a game changer. No robin hoods and the flights last forever. I found the cosmo to be a bit too stiff and cracked a few.
You forgot another negative. Sometimes, when the flight does pop off, the ring also flies in its own direction, lost forever. The bad part about that is not the lost ring, but the fact you have to replace it, and competitive games, sometimes keeping that hand steady is impossible :)
Hey, I'm quite new to the hobby, and wondered why people do that... I just use my stems and flight, and sometimes indeed annoying when flights fly arouns... maybe you could revieuw L-style to? And if it's worth the money. My grouping isn't that good....
There's a lot of people that like the L-Style stems and flights. I would highly recommend that you stay away from spinning stems though. Nothing but a gimmick. They will NOT make you a better player.
I’m a rare breed, I always used to robin hood my darts with punched flights. Since dropping the punching, I’ve been selected for my county, playing more consistent and feeling really good.... Darts is a weird game haha!
Punching a flight does not make it fit "further" into the stem. If you had experience with punching a flight you would understand how it works. What were you thinking?
@@thescull3479 Too bad your handle wasn't "the brain." What's a "bell end?" I'm 62 and played my first professional tournament in 1982 at the Royal Hawaiian International Darts Tournament. Made it to the prize money then and could easily white wash you now. Never "guess" the experience or playing level of someone you don't know. Your original dumb statement still exists on RU-vid. You might want to delete it before your mates start laughing at you. Ask Dennis Ovens if he enjoyed losing to me. Wanker.
Thanks for this video mate. I've started playing again (at home) after a few years and I've already lost flights behind the headboard and behind a chest of drawers...... Hole punch will be ordered asap :)) Subscribed. P.S. quit showing off.... :p
Bear with me here... I haven't played darts much in the last nearly 30 years, and I am getting back into it. I had never heard of punching flights, so the video was super helpful. Does the weight of the ring (or rubber band someone else mentioned) make it feel much different when you are throwing?
No, you'll never notice it's on there. Also, what country are you in by the way? I ask because if you're in the USA there's a lot of things you're going to want to know BEFORE getting back into darts. Starting here... www.howtomasterdarts.com/2018/03/darts-retail-in-us-savvy-business-model.html?m=1
I've only started playing a few months ago due to lockdown etc. I've never heard of punched flights but I like the look of it. I'll give it a go. Like the Ireland shirt and shamrock cap too. Keep the faith!
You're welcome Glen. You can check out Darts Corner as they have a huge selection... www.dartscorner.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=flight+punch&osCsid=17797e9370590b2010ff1751caf0765b&x=0&y=0
The one negative is actually not a negative. Because if you didn't have a ring squeezing the prongs, those prongs would be spread out and be much more prone to be caught by an incoming dart.
I'm quite new in the darts scene and I would wanna make my darts last longer, sorry for the noob question but is it advisable to punch my flights if I am using a non-nylon stem like say.. a steel stem? Thank you!
I have tried these punched flights recently, and I broke 1 stem, flights pop off aswell and I broke one ring. It makes everything more solid, but its not the miracle solution.
I was at A180 Darts at the weekend buying some new darts and the owner demonstrated the harrows version for me. They really did make the flight stay stuck on way tighter. I was quite shocked how well it worked. I'm using aluminium stems ATM so I'll leave buying one for now. He did talk me into so tapered things that go on my point though and they've really protected my flights. Nearly no marks in one week. Another great video Mr Worldwide
Thanks Daniel! A180 is awesome. The owner there is one of the nicest people you could meet. I know there's a few people that still use aluminum stems but I find they bend way too easily. They also weigh quite a bit more than nylon stems. Also if you robinhood one it's practically ruined. Not to mention they cost an arm and a leg compared to nylon stems. Not a fan of those things at all.
@@WorldwideDarts they came on the new darts I bought there at the weekend and I've left them on. I've never actually bought them before. Hopefully they last a bit if they're expensive lol.
Picked up on your comment about Darts Corner Gallant darts. I bought some just a week ago, what a great quality dart, feels top quality and really good in hand
Hey wwd , i was watching your video of your top 5 darts , and you were talking about the lighter variants of the priestleys , www.sonnysdarts.nl still sells them! Only thing is its a dutch website... it might help you or another dartfanatic 👌👍
Personally I'm not a fan of them. I tried them for a bit and got a ridiculous amount of robin hoods. I didn't get many bounce outs or deflections but the robinhoods were insane!
Thank you. I went with Robson flights and love them but I have a whole bag of flights not in use. I’ll get this setup and now will not need to purchase flights for a few years.
I used punched flights for a long time until I switched to the Harrows Clic system. I throw for about an hour a day and in the year and a half I've used them I've changed two, count 'em, two flights and zero stems. Not sure I get any fewer deflections but the durability is epic.
does doing this also keep the flights more evenly dispursed instead of crappily folded? my flights dont look like the shape they should be in the shaft
I like the punched flights have been using punched flights a long time when I started playing for my local my hand used t shake so much if the flight came off I used t have t get someone t put dem on so used dem ever since do get a good few Robin hoods with dem alright but like u say stem hold you nice video 👍
Nicelt presented video man thanks for this! I got some MVG design stems and they have little rings on them...so you're supposed to use them like this? I guess I could just take them off, or invest in one of those punches!
I'm new'ish to darts, I broke a lot of stems, I ordered a punch and a year's supply of replacement stems about 3 months ago... I haven't broken a stem since I started punching flights... My year's supply is now 10+ (I've had fewer Robin hood's since the flight tines won't open so easy)
@@WorldwideDarts I was using Cosmo fit air super kites and changed to W shaped and my game picked up emencly. If I happen to use nylon stems I always punch flights 👍 good video
I tried those types of stems a month ago (without having a punched flight) and had a Robin hood every other day so went back to aluminum stems as with those I would only get a Robin hood like twice a year. For me losing a scoring dart sometimes a couple times a game due to Robin hood's wasn't acceptable, does punching the flight and therefore having the ring further up the stem stop Robin hood's? I never seem to get them with aluminum flights I actually can't remember the last time I did
Off topic: i know i can use trident180 to reduce damage on flights, but if i buy those points with trident built in, would it exactly fit on any darts. I have concern that the nose of the barrel has a bigger width or smaller width. Thanks
@@WorldwideDarts Planning on getting Harrows Vice. For points, its either keep the point + trident180, or what you recommend. As long as its affordable 😆
I just looked them up on Darts Corner. About $30 after the discount code (wwide8). I would opted for the Tridents or maybe even go with the new Smooth Harrows Apex points... www.dartscorner.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=2746_2790&products_id=54214
Not a fan of the punched flights personally. You get much more severe deflections with them because the flights are not popping off when hit in a certain angle.
I had that issue aswell. I reduced/eliminated it a lot by using spinning stems and the trident 180 nose cones. So even if I hit my flight the spin helps and the cones protect the flight further.
@@Reeftaan I have a question for you. Spinning stems are almost non existent in the pro ranks. Out of the top 100 PDC players in the world I think there's only one that uses spinners. If the best players in the world don't need them to play well why do you think you need them? Surely they're grouping tighter than you're grouping the darts.
Worldwide Darts Great question. The pros also don‘t use punched flights. Secondly the pros are alot better than me in general so yeah they can group better lol 😂. I use the spinning stems so that my unmoveble punched flight can move a bit and lasts longer. And let me clarify I do get deflections aswell. Either from the center of the flight / Robin Hoods or the barrel.
have you ever seen the Winmau Whizlock system? similar, if not exactly like the L-style shell lock. ive been using Winmaus version for a few years and find it great. no way to robin hood and stems last forever.
I have been playing darts in the UK for over 50 years and never heard of them. To me things like this are just a method for companys to make money. You need the flight to come off the shaft if you are throwing tight or they get deflected.
