Alpha Labs - Do Power Conditioners actually do something?

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We often get the feedback that power condioners are nonsense. That they don't do anything. Well: we set-up a quick and dirty test to check out whether that is true. You can find our conclusions in this Alpha Labs Video.
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@audiotom3855 Год назад

"You seem to like these kind of tests". No we dont. We LOVE it :D

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Hahaha...!

@slartybartfast1 6 месяцев назад

Give me an amp that doesn't need a conditioner, also in other tests I've seen some power conditioners can reduce the amplifier output. In my own experience in blind tests I've never been able to hear the difference, might just be me but at the cost of these units I'd rather just go for an amp that is clean regardless.

@TheMadisonHang 3 месяца назад

maybe, amplification, is the problem!

@damirhlobik6488 6 месяцев назад

nice video, thank you when you spend XXXX euro on something useless, you will find incredible excuses for it

@BestKiteboardingOfficial 9 месяцев назад

That's a pretty good result on the bryston. Can we hear the difference between -95 and-110 db below signal level. Nah its totally masked by the music.

@DanyLeeRoth 6 месяцев назад

Only esoterik ear hear the diference

@MiguelAngelRacero 7 месяцев назад

Hello, I do not agree with your conclusions. It is evident that it can be measured, no one doubts it. But it is also evident that in listening situations no difference is perceived between the conditioning equipment. A real test that is useful for the buyer is blind listening or measuring the acoustic response. If the double-blind test does not produce conclusive results, then perhaps the product is fake.

@ruger6049 2 дня назад

Double blind test don't prove shit. Listen with one in for 8 weeks, every day, with a small selection of demanding music. Then remove it. If you don't hear/feel a difference then great, you have clean power, "your system" is not affected on your power grid for whatever reason or YOUR own placebo of not wanting to hear a difference is in play. How do you measure fatigue? Was the A/B testing done 100 times on 100 different days at 100 different times of the day? I'll wait.

@TheKent2288 Год назад

Thank you! Best power conditioner test I have seen so far and I have watched just about every test on YT.

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Thanks. That means a lot!

@gerihifi Год назад

Thanks a lot for your efforts!! Well done, love that you are measuring on the analogue-out and not just on the power outlet side, much more valuable for me from a listener-prospective! Didn't like Amir's (ASR) review some time ago, concerning power conditioners (*doesnt do anything..*, yes, in his measuring power-only use-case)

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Indeed... like I said... it is important to know where to look...

@benjamink.6286 Месяц назад

Unfortunately isotek kills a lot of dynamics. Often heart them (also via blind test) and always got the same results. 😢

@MrAndyb247 Год назад

Maybe you should try testing the Puritan Audio Labs 156, it's widely regarded as the best mains conditioner in he business.

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

We can ask for it.

@mauanderuk 10 месяцев назад

If you do need one your gear must be really crap and `if you have one it will made no difference only to your wallet.

@pauliusmscichauskas558 5 месяцев назад

What about cheaper furman power conditioners? I have a furman AC-210A. Bought it, hoping it would reduce noise for my audio gear, because I have problematic electricity at home. My fridge causes a high pitched whine in my audio gear. (I turn off my fridge when I record stuff). However, the furman didn't solve the problem at all.

@TheAlphaAudio 5 месяцев назад

Haven't tested them. So I dont know.

@phillipmorris9847 Год назад

lovin the alpha lab content 🤘 so i was thinking you always publish the data of the live streams why not share with us that data, with your thoughts with some sound clips for some more alpha lab content and maybe we can all figure out how the objective data influenced our subjective impressions you already have the data, recorded sound clips, recorded impressions from the alpha team. there are channels that do sound clip comparrisons, some just data, some just subjective impressions but cant think of 1 that does it all.

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Thanks!

@zfm1097 11 месяцев назад

How would power conditioning compare to having a separate dedicated line fitted by an electrician, so that audio equipment is not sharing a circuit with refrigerators, microwaves, lamps, etc? That might be worth testing. Thanks.

@sjaakvansoest9210 Год назад

Bedankt Jaap, weer van veel geleerd, ga zo door!!

@zfm1097 11 месяцев назад

Wouldn't using battery power be cheaper considering the cost? Also, I've never heard of high-end recording studios using power conditioners, which would seem the obvious place to benefit everyone (as the original audio would theoretically be improved). They could probably use it to increase custom (even if they didn't actually make any noticeable difference).

@FOH3663 10 месяцев назад

Yes, such facilities address power. Everything from generic dry-type grid isolation, to a Torus panelboard iso rig, to Equi-tech, Torus, or Furman point of use gear, etc. Ground One (Art Kelm) operates in custom studio power. - You're modulating wall power and capturing it as music. - You're modulating wall power and reproducing that music. It's vital that it's well sorted.

@cryptout 8 месяцев назад

Yes it cleans up the noise floor but is this audible at all?

@watchmania46 8 месяцев назад

not unless that is the noise that comes to the audio line..

@Vsread21 Год назад

FINALLY someone tests at the output of the audio component, since that's what actually matters! One big argument against power conditioners is that good audio components already have good power supplies and are already extremely efficient at taking AC and converting it into clean DC. Nevertheless, I've found power conditioners have lowered the noise floor in my source components. However, a common argument against power conditioners is that they restrict the dynamics and low-end punch of amplifiers, which is something I've experienced myself. I've yet to find a power conditioner that works well with my 300 watt class A/B amplifier, which can pull a peak 1900 watts out of the wall on transient peaks. I wonder if there's a way for you to test this. As it seems to be the key knock against power conditioners, even amongst a sizeable % of "believers"

@connorduke4619 9 месяцев назад

Puritan PSM156 is famous for not reducing dynamics of amps, I have a 100W Marantz PM11S2 plugged into one, and the excellebt dynamics are unhindered.

@watchmania46 8 месяцев назад

it completely makes sense, its a small transformer vs your grid huge transformer

@budzlightyear2212 7 месяцев назад

"High end" or not A wall outlet should only put out 120volts.

@carlosr.2027 7 месяцев назад

⁠⁠@@budzlightyear2212excuse my ignorance, but if a wall outlet only puts out only 120v so a inexpensive power conditioner like a furman power conditioner or a cheap HOSPITAL GRADE ISOLATION TRANSFORMER should do the trick

@budzlightyear2212 7 месяцев назад

@@carlosr.2027 Some say these things don't help and even hurt performance.Even a cheapo power strip in between the outlet and your equipment will help protect from surge.

@LuxAudio389 Год назад

Nice, can you get your hands on a Puritan Audio PSM156? As an Audiophile I have 2 different types of conditioners. 2 are from Monster lol and they are in tge basement in storage, the other are Richard Gray substation (isolation transformer) and a RGPC1200 that is a parallel choke. Is there a way I can test these with software and simple setup?

@calaf_725 Год назад

Great work as usual. I am using isolation transformer for my sources (streamer, ddc, dac, preamp). That makes the most difference in my set up.

@Thoughtflux 11 месяцев назад

Same here 😊. I have a balanced toroidal isolation transformer by generic Chinese brand. It wasn't too expensive. I though doubt how much of it is actually balanced as there is no circuits.

@Thoughtflux 11 месяцев назад

@@johnshaw359 I don't even have a voltmeter. Need to get one..

@JohnLeaf 2 месяца назад

Emi filter

@MrAdeljas 4 месяца назад

I don't think its a good idea to recondition AC to AC in such application ( audio equipment ) all audio devices use DC. why not just have a quality linear AC to DC, and then feed that clean DC to the amplifier, dac, etc. ( yes those devices will need a separate DC input ) but that's far better that this AC reconditioning business.. its an overkill

@totalplonker824 5 месяцев назад

The higher ampage on my wall socket (13A) is higher than isotek EVO 3 power bar (10A), and I was just wondering if this was the likely the cause for the throttling of my power amps. Love your videos, btw. Being a pot smoker, there are not many videos that can hold my attention like yours 🙃

@TheAlphaAudio 5 месяцев назад

Hahahaha!

@carlitomelon4610 13 дней назад

Suggest switching to oscilloscope screen view when comparing ? It was hard to make out the differences over your shoulder:-)

@plcamp1 9 месяцев назад

You are not using balanced test measurement probes…correct? You need to show every detail of your test methodology if anything you produce is to be believed.

@NickP333 5 месяцев назад

Love what you and the other guys at Alpha Audio are doing. You’re hopefully on your way to at least somewhat uniting the more subjective and objective audiophile camps.

@TheAlphaAudio 5 месяцев назад

It is our goal

@Antoon55 Год назад

It would be great to compare this with a power regenarator like PS-Audio.

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

I wish... PS Audio is impossible to get here.

@jackfalco5351 Год назад

but is the noise you see audible? that is the question.

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Depends on your ears, gear and faith.

@jmtennapel Год назад

That one is easy to answer: audition one of these at home, then you know from experience.

@Pete.across.the.street Год назад

In my experience, you can't hear the noise, but you can definitely tell when there's a lack of noise.

@krell2026 Год назад

Massively dependent on your electric supply quality. Best to view these as components that help your expensive audio equipment function optimally by reducing the amount of noise transmitted to them. Full regen components would be the ultimate so long as a) you have the bank balance and b) your floor and back can cope with the weight

@josschreur6992 Год назад

You forgot the plixir 😉

@Nonamehere1 20 дней назад

It would be interesting in a future video on the subject to add what only an isolating transformer is capable of doing for noise.

@krell2026 Год назад

Excellent work yet again :) Depends on how polluted your mains is to start with. I have had Isol-8, PS Audio and latterly Puritan conditioners and all make small but audible differences powering source components especially streamers and DACs. Main plus point to all is smoothing out transient spikes that occur in the mains whilst adding additional protection for expensive equipment. Overall it also comes down to your mains supply and how sensitive each individual component is to noise.

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

True

@bunsw2070 Год назад

Which Isol 8 do you have? Real HiFi Help on RU-vid recommends the minisub Axis. I live in Toronto and can't find a used unit so found the distributor who recommended a Substation which is around twice as expensive. They did a comparison on this channel that included a Isol 8 and I think it did less damage to the music than the other units. It had the most subtle effect. The others made the sound either too thick or too rich or made it sound like the music had been sped up. Incredible that these effects happen at all. I use Audio Note UK electronics and real HiFi Help is a Audio Note fanatic so his opinion is likely to be more relevant to me since that's what he has done most of his comparisons with. I bought some ungodly expensive Critical Mass Systems Center Stage 0.8 M2 footers for a couple of my components and they made such a big difference that it makes no sense. They need to be tweaked because they caused the sound to become too sterile and fake sounding. But when you get it right it's incredible. It makes zero sense that these can make such a difference. I always thought it was electrical power quality that made my system sound bad most of the time. With these footers it sound great even when it's hot outside and everyone has their air conditioners running. I'm looking at getting Arya Audio Revopods to compare. They're supposed to be in the same ball park of sound improvement and are cheaper and have nicer features like height adjustment. They also make cheaper ones that have less features but most of the benefit if you want footers for small cheap components like reclockers or Dc power supplies or routers etc. I'm even considering buying Seismion active vibration platforms. They're German though and I'm leery of winding up with $8000 door stoppers like most everything Germany makes. Too complicated. Can't be repaired. The parts are no longer made after 6 months to 2 years. Now with the war Germany is deindustrializing and so things will get work quickly. I work in heavy industry and the fools in management have bought all sorts of German machinery. Zero service manuals. Zero information. Parts no longer made. They are too complicated and so poorly designed that they start falling apart within weeks of going into operation. Even if the parts are available they are so expensive that we can buy them. Germany is socialist. Everything is paid for by the federal government. It's a racket.

@krell2026 Год назад

@@bunsw2070 they were the first conditioners i bought back in mid 2000's, MiniSub and also had a Vision. Changed these some time to a PS Audio Quintessence and now Puritan 156, impressed with Puritan have to say, didnt realise how the others (admittedly old tech) were somehow supressing dynamics. As for isolation thats another ball game altogether, where do you stop.......!

@Vsread21 Год назад

Curious! Did you try plugging your amp into the Puritan? How did that go? I know the Puritan power conditioner has a positive impact on source components, but I've been wondering if it has positive/negative effects on high current amps (like my 300W class AB amp).

@krell2026 Год назад

@@Vsread21 not been brave enough to try. I have a krell KAV3250 that is a fantastic heater in winter!

@yochillsmith 6 месяцев назад

This is more complicated than expected. Thanks for the video

@TheAlphaAudio 3 месяца назад

Welcome

@paulstubbs7678 Месяц назад

Thanks for the testing, although I'm a bit confused by your amp, standing on it's side? never seen any amp like that

@paulk9534 7 месяцев назад

How is it that when you are making a scientific test you are unsure of what you are testing?

@TheAlphaAudio 7 месяцев назад

Uhm... You say that all scientists always know what they are looking at? That would mean that we already know everything...

@paulk9534 7 месяцев назад

@@TheAlphaAudio no i didnt say that… you seemed unsure of the actual equipment you were testing which surprised me

@TheAlphaAudio 7 месяцев назад

@@paulk9534 I do not always know all types and prices by heart. I don't always care when I test stuff. When we write the reviews we look it up of course. But in video's like these it is not really important because it is about the tech and the measurements... Not the products.

@tek_lynx4225 4 месяца назад

Before I started using a power conditioners in my PC room , I would lose a monitor every 2 years or so and it was that way for a way over a decade. Since i installed them 6 years ago I haven't lost a monitor since. I don't think its a coincidence, my pc room is basically a computer lab many monitors many machines spanning the ages, most of the monitors would fail from PSU issues and stop working until the psu issue was fixed assuming it was worth the hassle of taking it apart to do so (crts much so). This has made me a strongly for these things smoothing out the power delivery.

@andysmith-ne1qs 7 месяцев назад

My test is simple ,hook it up to a TV and observe whether it improvesthe picture .

@TheAlphaAudio 7 месяцев назад

yeah... good method.

@Philear4124 Год назад

Question, which is actually the phase on the cable or device. And this is the same everywhere worldwide.

@ac81017 Год назад

Very interesting indeed!! I've tried allsorts of power conditioners including the Isotek super Titan with no success, it's as if all power filters seem to kill the sound of my Audio Research pre amp and my Audio note tube dac. If anything I found that an old Isotek minisub g2 was the best, that brought everything back to life, I then added a Synergistic Research purple to the Minisub G2 and the heavens opened up. Absolute magic.

@miquifaye Год назад

Magic Purple fuses ? Cool story bro 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@NickGiordano-zu4em 2 дня назад

how about you condition the source components and not the amps

@ColocasiaCorm 2 месяца назад

Great experiment and demonstration. Thank you!! Now if only i can figure out what to shop for…

@TheAlphaAudio 2 месяца назад

Just try a couple of them.

@mobby1212 19 дней назад

Yes they make a difference. To your bank balance

@vidtech2630 3 месяца назад

It would be interesting to see , what effect, let's say 15-20 volt below the specified grid voltage , the effect that would have !

@TheAlphaAudio 3 месяца назад

We tested it with a PS Audio. That unit can handle a pretty wide range without issues. Normal conditioners don't fix that.

@ThePaulv12 Месяц назад

How do we eliminate mains hum? I want it gone. At high volume levels in quiet music passages I can even hear the AC frequency change by the change in hum sometimes. Ten houses 10 hums. Doesn't matter what amp, new, old they all hum in all houses all the time when the volume control is around the 11 o'clock position.

@TheAlphaAudio Месяц назад

@@ThePaulv12 probably DC

@crodoc69 Год назад

And what about power cable in those devices? To me it looks like 3x0.75mm2 and current comes from walls where are usually 2.5mm2. What can be expected from devices that are actually bottleneck with reduced cable surface even "audiophiles" will plug their fancy cables into them??? The whole concept (conditioners, power cables) is one big nonsense!

@jmtennapel Год назад

Maybe you can borrow some audio grade power cables and swap them around in your home system. Maybe your ears will belie your beliefs. I suggest sensible priced cables as made by brands like Supra, not something overpriced.

@crodoc69 Год назад

@@jmtennapel When NASA starts to use "audio grade" power cables with magical features, then I will. In meantime I will stick to fact how amprifier components runs on DC current after it was transformed and filtered from AC. They are very good at it and don't care about how dirty power coming from walls is as long as it is coming from stabile power net like it is in developed world. With my comment I tried to point out absurdity how this test was done and conclusions made.

@jmtennapel Год назад

@@crodoc69 Have it your way.

@crodoc69 Год назад

Dear @@jmtennapel , I'm not that kind of "internet warrior". I try to give arguments. So far haven't seen anything concrete that would change my mind. Again, I was refering to fact how those power conditioners were tested here and usually used with consumer grade power cables and at the same time "audiophiles" put fancy cables in it. Anyway, I wish you all the best!

@dell177 9 месяцев назад

Interesting test. I'd like to see how something like a PS Audio power plant compares to these passive units.

@TheAlphaAudio 9 месяцев назад

We can't seem to get one for review.

@QQ-td9id 8 месяцев назад

The test actually shows how immune the amp to the power source noise, so the conclusion of the effectiveness/value of these power filters really depend on the amp you use. What we'd like to see is how clean the power output of these filters are comparing to grid power, and that's Independent to what power amp would be used.

@NiclasMardfelt Год назад

Thank you! Very good content / test!

@mornecoetzee735 4 месяца назад

Do as PS Audio Powerplant

@RomainGAILLARD-w4r Год назад

really interesting video ! it would be great to test the effect of the Yeti and Aquarius on a video source like OLED TV

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

We test Audio... sorry.

@kirk902 Год назад

After adding a Puritan PSM156 in combination with a Yeti 1000 to my headphone audio chain, I moved the displaced AudioQuest Niagara 1200 to my LG OLED TV and it made a huge improvement to the picture quality. My wife and I were shocked, in fact.

@ulrichgorlich6292 Год назад

Thank you! Keep going!

@jannikneumann2609 Год назад

Cool test. I really like those videos so much. One request regarding power condtioners vs power regenerators: Can you please also make a test of those? PS Audio always claims that impedence and the correct sine wave would be more crucial as filtering just noise like conditioners do

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Of course they do... the make regenerators, not filters. Would love to test one though.

@josealfredfernandes 9 месяцев назад

@@TheAlphaAudio I have a online ups with galvanic isolation transformer at home. PS Audio regenerator has similar topology like online ups, without batteries. So, I went with online ups.

@glenncurry3041 4 месяца назад

It would be interesting to see how they worked with a Class D amp. All that chopping coming back at them.

@TheAlphaAudio 4 месяца назад

Depends on the filter. Some work. Some don't.

@patrickmeylemans9627 7 месяцев назад

And you can hear that, kudos.

@davemeder9082 2 месяца назад

Don't DACs convert AC to DC and filter the output to an amp? If I am right shouldn't that be the test setup?

@TheAlphaAudio 2 месяца назад

@@davemeder9082 not sure what you mean exactly.

@cubinn149 10 месяцев назад

Depends on what loads your putting on it and certain power conditioners work best for certain things

@TheAlphaAudio 10 месяцев назад

Yes... but this video was to show they actually do something.

@CupOfSweetTea Месяц назад

Either there will be no difference, or you have the wrong amp. Either way, there is no good reason for these

@TheAlphaAudio Месяц назад

@@CupOfSweetTea ok

@michaelbeckerman7532 Месяц назад

Just because we can get something to show up on a scope does not mean we can hear what it is doing with our ears. How much do these conditioners cost? If you are paying for something that you can't hear any difference from with your ears, then what are you actually getting for your money? Now, if all you want to do is just be able to say, "This conditioner looks better when I run it through a scope" then you certainly got your money's worth. Keep something in mind here, the WORST part of ANY home audio system is always going to be the human ears that are listening to it.

@TheAlphaAudio Месяц назад

"I can hear a difference in power conditioning"... "Not possible! Show measurements!"... We show measurements... "You cannot hear that...".

@michaelbeckerman7532 Месяц назад

@@TheAlphaAudio If I'm going to spend several thousand dollars on a premium power conditioner as a consumer, you damn well better believe that I'm going to tell EVERYONE that will listen that I can hear a difference when it is in use - whether I actually can or not. For those prices, I'm going to tell MYSELF that I can hear a difference, if for no other reason than to try and justify to myself all the money I just spent on the device. (Welcome to the world of high-end audio!)

@tommywoosey8061 Год назад

Maybe I missed it, but are you using shorting plugs on the amp input or an open input? If not using them, how are results with them?

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Not using a shorting plug on the single ended input. The Bryston uses a switch for selecting balanced / single ended.

@fcfdroid Месяц назад

Soo what am i needing to buy for my 1200W gaming PC? I/we don't know what is considered "good" or "bad". What's the recommended tolerance for smooth power conditioning?

@TheAlphaAudio Месяц назад

@@fcfdroid if you want to just eliminate noise - I guess that's the point - any decent filter will work. High end power conditioners don't impact speed, imaging, etc. But that is not important for a PC.

@fcfdroid 29 дней назад

@@TheAlphaAudio transients are definitely a thing with gpu and CPU performance. Now how evenly they get their power may or may not effect their power 🤔

@TheAlphaAudio 29 дней назад

@@fcfdroid a well build PSU from a good brand - seasonic, bequiet, etc - will deliver all the power the cpu or gpu needs. I have build loads of pc's. Also gaming pc's for VR racing. Never had power issues with a good PSU. They are very noisy to the grid though. So if you have a high end hifi system next to the pc, you want a good power conditioner.

@denniso9503 4 месяца назад

Mooie test , had ik niet verwacht.

@jos5067 9 месяцев назад

Als je haar maar goed zit 😊

@pdxsnap Год назад

What were the results when all 3!power conditioners were hooked up in series? :)

@jmtennapel Год назад

That is ill advised, you will hear hidden messages in the music.😁

@vanwiemeersch5 Год назад

“Quick and clean” instead of “quick and dirty”. 🤭

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Yes... true!

@bennymankin6001 6 месяцев назад

Hi, great work here! I was wondering, would it be possible to do a test of power conditioner vs UPS? I read some said UPS is better all around. Thank you :)

@user024-u3h 2 месяца назад

any measurements of furman power conditioner or blacklion pg-1 or 2? very thanks

@cosplay_hifi Год назад

well done, hero brother 👍 try put the extra light (diff. lux / λ) to the phono cable or vaccum tube on next trials！ Sorry, my tone arm cable pickup all kinds of noises all the way 😫

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Thanks. I didn't get your advice though... what do you mean?

@cosplay_hifi Год назад

@@TheAlphaAudio My audio KT88 tubes act as a Photomultiplier, and my old VPI phono tonearm with exposed signal cable are so sensitive to pickup the noise from a led light strip. I hope that you can measuring the same way (FFT) on the vintage gears or devices, such as vaccum tubes. I'm sorry for my poor english and Thank again, one of my PRO. KOL 💯 Any active or passive solutions or analytical demo to get better S/N are all welcome 😘

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

@@cosplay_hifi Ahhh... i get it now. I can measure interference. But I dont have vintage tube gear. Sorry

@wawalisko 3 месяца назад

Súper capos !

@PaulClay46masonWV 6 месяцев назад

Aquarius does work in a certain audible frequency, which is in the description. I think around 10k and so, somewhere else

@Charles12509 4 месяца назад

What to use for multiple devices if you don’t want a power conditioner….power strips?

@chuckmaddison2924 10 месяцев назад

I have a Honda EU 20i . It is stable and quite . It's a massive improvement over anything that plugs in the wall outlet.

@AudioScienceReview 11 месяцев назад

Good to see more objective tests looking for differences in output of gear, rather than what goes on inside. Alas, in this class of testing, there are pitfalls. Unlike a real speaker, your Prism Sound analyzer is powered and hence can create a ground loop that wouldn't be there otherwise. You must work to identify this aspect as otherwise, isolation transformers like you tested will impact the measurements. But would not do so in real life. With Audio precision, I have control of whether the floating inputs are grounded or not. Ditto for input. I go through extensive testing to rule out ground loops. You also said that transformer made a big difference. It didn't once you consider that out threshold of hearing in low frequencies is very high and hence the reason you wouldn't hear that hum out of the Byrston amp without said power conditioner. In other words, you are trying to solve an inaudible problem even if your testing was correct.

@tbr9286 Год назад

Do you have any experience with the V5 Elektra? Would you recommand it?

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

I havent tested the elektra. Sorry.

@tbr9286 Год назад

@@TheAlphaAudiono problem. Thanks for the interesting video.

@johnwatrous3058 11 месяцев назад

Powergrip YG3. Cost more than my whole system. Not worth for me.

@stephenscharf6293 10 месяцев назад

You should contact Grant about getting a Shunyata power distributor to try and test. Cheers.

@josschreur6992 Год назад

Is it a filter/ conditioner or a power regenerator

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Conditioner

@carminedesanto6746 10 месяцев назад

GM ☕️ Yay! Bryston!😊 Interesting test …and yes, I like these tests . Bravo 👏

@thompson4620 8 месяцев назад

I'd like to know if a simple On-line UPS would do the same thing. They basically isolate and double convert from AC -> DC (to charger the battery) -> AC with clean power. Basic 1000VA ones are $1000 which is 1/2 the price of what you were testing here.

@TheAlphaAudio 8 месяцев назад

A UPS is very, very, very noisy.

@MartinBischof Год назад

Thanks for Sharing

@Stikibits Месяц назад

Amps run DC. Only the power supply is AC. How could it possibly make any difference?!

@TheAlphaAudio Месяц назад

@@Stikibits well... Check the video.

@Stikibits Месяц назад

@@TheAlphaAudio Sure, you beat science, champ.

@TheAlphaAudio Месяц назад

@@Stikibits you mean my Prism dScope and other measurement equipment?

@Stikibits Месяц назад

@@TheAlphaAudio Too funny! You should publish. You'll win a Nobel. The AC signal is non-extant after the power supply...it's converted to DC. AC noise can't possibly exist within DC circuits.

@TheAlphaAudio Месяц назад

@@Stikibits If you don't want to believe my measurements - actual lower distortion and noise at the speaker output of an amp - that's fine with me. I don't care. I don't sell any gear. I just review stuff and investigate stuff in my lab. have a lovely day.

@duartefaria7134 6 месяцев назад

I think we in europe do not need that, or almost do not need. Cause 240v. Maybe i am wrong, and is another factor, but is what i experience and what i see. We have that problems, like everyone, just you do not notice them like people in US for example. Maybe we have cleaner energy coming from outside, or maybe less developed areas take advantage cause less people.

@TheAlphaAudio 6 месяцев назад

Voltage has nothing to do with noise.

@duartefaria7134 6 месяцев назад

@@TheAlphaAudioi am just a noob

@TheAlphaAudio 6 месяцев назад

@@duartefaria7134 everybody is free to ask questions. That is how we learn.

@fallenshallrise 4 месяца назад

Trust your own ears. Could be the difference between hum/noise at 60Hz VS 50Hz or maybe the power is just very clean in your region or maybe you are benefiting from the adoption of DAB radio VS all the analog radio still being broadcast here. If it ain't broke then don't fix it.

@duartefaria7134 4 месяца назад

We had a radio station long time ago in my town, i remember my hot speaker picking radio signal from that even when was off. Nowadays we do not have radio station. The signal i have in my house is clean, i have low to no noise, only the wind of a dialed valve amp, but i know people in my area that live near a hight tension eletric towers and they suffer a lot from noise. But in general that eletric towers are not in the middle of the towns so in my experience even a cafe or club have a clean energy suply coming from the street.

@valveman2898 3 месяца назад

Excellent review, great to see a scientific review for a change. Would love to see the same comparison with the Puritan PSM156.

@TheAlphaAudio 3 месяца назад

Thanks. Follow our website. We do more tests like this. The Puritan is being tested now.

@rikardekvall3433 Год назад

Nice test. Education for us that doesn’t know or can see. What about interference of the LED lights. How would that affect the amp?

@jmtennapel Год назад

Inference of LED lights is their switch mode power supplies. It is indirect, they put noise on your home grid. So if the power conditioner filters or suppresses these noises in that frequency spectrum, it counteracts the influence. Same is true for power inverters of solar panels and home charging solutions for electric cars, which often leak a lot of DC offset onto your home grid.

@rikardekvall3433 Год назад

@@jmtennapel Thanks. My problem and EU standard with LEDs, I have more then 40-50 low light LEDs in our house. No charger for car or sun panels jet, so we are filled with jitter and interference…. Same as in modern life. Do I need to go off grid and power my gear with batteries?😀 No joke, but we need to slow down huge bit. Jaap talked about LED in a previous video and it’s impact. Best way is to build a separate electric power system to the music system in the house. Shielded cables and separate fuse box with filters. Tin foile hats?.

@jmtennapel Год назад

@@rikardekvall3433 Just buy a good power conditioner for your audio set and problem solved :-) Not everything works with everything, so it is a process of trying at home.

@rikardekvall3433 Год назад

@@davidcross890 Great! We all need to know more and how to do. Please shoot a YT video describing how to do.

@ripperthecrooks6428 8 месяцев назад

Hello would furman power conditioners be a good unit to buy for noise removal purposes? thank you

@carlosr.2027 7 месяцев назад

A good follow up to this video would be how does all this highly expensive power conditioner compare to a more economical affordable power conditioners like a furman power conditioner and do a face off test and see if it’s worth forking over thousands $$$ on power conditioner vs $50-$200

@arne8946 Год назад

Does anybody understand why on the Yeti the 50Hz was lower? After all that is what carries the power... Note that Aquarius and Titan did not suppress any of the 50Hz (which is what I would expect...)

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

It is a balanced setup. But the 50hz is leaking... i am measuring the speaker output on 1 kHz. There should not be any 50 Hz harmonics.

@arne8946 Год назад

@@TheAlphaAudio At 4:15 you say "the 50Hz is lower", and I don't quite understand that, since rejection of 50Hz from the analog out is a property of the amp itself. (I would do a re-measurement there 😉) Anyway, you make a good point with the video.

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

@@davidcross890 how is this nonsense? I actually show you that it isn't nonsense...

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

@@davidcross890 maybe you can send us a sample?

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

@@davidcross890 No. For shows I stay in Europe. It is not financially viable for me to fly to the US... unfortunately.

@GoldenEagle0007 3 месяца назад

That room looks like my dream, would love to do so many tests 😅

@TheAlphaAudio 3 месяца назад

What tests would you perform?

@GoldenEagle0007 3 месяца назад

@@TheAlphaAudio too many to list 😅

@TheAlphaAudio 3 месяца назад

@@GoldenEagle0007 share some. Maybe we can perform some. Inspire us. :-).

@GoldenEagle0007 3 месяца назад

@@TheAlphaAudioMost would not interest most people but I just would like to do many tests like your doing, at different time of the day or different weather/humidity etc etc etc to see if there is any difference in sound and repeat them few times with the equipment you have. Would also like to test the sound of different connections have like usb/Toslink/coaxial with same brand/length cables vs different brands/lengths. And so many more, I'm not sharing anymore secrets 😅

@TheAlphaAudio 3 месяца назад

@@GoldenEagle0007 thanks for the feedback. :-).

@phantomplastics6582 Год назад

Huge respect for your work and it is work but it answers questions that people have had for decades! Brilliant!

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Welcome!

@shaneclk9854 8 месяцев назад

Can u test a online double conversion ups

@gabrielpopescu1795 5 месяцев назад

Can you please test the Accuphase power conditioner?

@TheAlphaAudio 5 месяцев назад

Unfortunately the Dutch distributer doesn't lend out units.

@lupoal4113 Год назад

... and what about a good serious Schaffner selected properly? what is we use an isolation transformer to drive a Schaffner (for signal source of course)? ... probably none of the product mentioned are b.s., let say they are all serious products, but imho the point could be another one... how much are they overpriced? (compared with iso trafo + schaffner)

@jmtennapel Год назад

A ‘whataboutism’. We cannot measure stuff that isn’t around. If you are kind enough to provide us with the materials, we might be able to.

@jmtennapel Год назад

@@davidcross890 No need to shout. I'm not deaf (yet)

@japerlm8150 7 месяцев назад

Jeti or what is this power conditioner called/spelled ?

@TheAlphaAudio 7 месяцев назад

Yeti

@WhatEver-dx3eu 11 месяцев назад

Nice! However, you really should do the same test with a powerful Class D amp. As these use a SMPS their power intake is pretty similar to output. Many mains conditioners use reactive components such as capacitors, coils which can have an effect of "throttling" the conditioner's output with short dynamics peaks. Result: the amp loses much of its agility, loses speed (always difficult to put sound to words), transients get smeared, dynamics get lost. The better the amp is, the more noticeable. Before you measure, listen to a decent system with Class D amp without conditioner, then add it to the system and you'll know what I mean. This is of course a sweeping statement. Don't believe me, try several conditioners and amp combos and you'll hear soon what I mean...

@TheAlphaAudio 11 месяцев назад

What I measured is pure noise reduction. This is half the story. You should ALWAYS listen to the combination in order to dertimine the overall effect. Not all amps like power conditioners. My Pass XP-12 doesn't like it for example. The X150.8 doens't like all conditiners as well. But if you found a matching one, the effect is great.

@WhatEver-dx3eu 11 месяцев назад

@@TheAlphaAudio Thanks for swift reply. the point I was trying to make is that the requirement of an SMPS from a wall outlet is very different to that of a linear supply for an amplifier. A linear supply has banks of reservoir caps so does not suffer if the conditioner is holding back as supply during strong dynamics in music are catered for by the caps. Not so with (most) SMPS where demand from the mains is just about as dynamic as the signal on speaker terminals (compare power input to speaker output with music playing on your scope!). That makes conditioners and Class D combos resulting in severe performance degradation.

@TheAlphaAudio 11 месяцев назад

@@WhatEver-dx3eu True. Also: smps are less sensitive to mains pollution.

@patrickh9679 9 месяцев назад

Nice vid! Can they improve also a PC PSU output? There is a big night/day difference on my gaming pc.

@TheAlphaAudio 9 месяцев назад

We did a couple of times. Most pcs are horrible.

@patrickh9679 9 месяцев назад

sorry I changed my comment. Does it mean it is realistic a PC works better at night, most people say it is bs. Would a battery+DC PC PSU be the best possible setup? I tried a power station AC offgrid but it was even worse.

@TheAlphaAudio 9 месяцев назад

@@patrickh9679 a pc with switch mode doesn't work better at night. If you want to use a pc for Audio you need serious modifications. Clean power supply, dedicated usb ports and ethernet.

@deama15 10 месяцев назад

Is there a way to fully eliminate the noise coming from the socket? Like, would setting up a AC > DC and then back DC > AC work?

@TheAlphaAudio 10 месяцев назад

No. The conversion introduces noise as well. Especially DC - AC conversion.

@deama15 10 месяцев назад

@@TheAlphaAudio But then how do you get rid of it fully? Do you have to build your own power generator?

@TheAlphaAudio 10 месяцев назад

@@deama15 you never get rid of it fully. But you can suppress a lot of it with a huge galvanic isolation.

@38201270298 8 месяцев назад

Where to get this Yeti power conditioner? Can't find it online.

@TheAlphaAudio 8 месяцев назад

Yeti has a website. yeti-acoustics.nl/

@KforConstant 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for doing and sharing rhese measurements. Are these meaurements continuous or taken at one point of time? Wanting to know if the differences are within standard deviations of the power

@TheAlphaAudio 11 месяцев назад

Not sure what you mean.

@ThinkingBetter 10 месяцев назад

If you live in rural Africa and you have a poorly designed audio system, you might need a power conditioner. But better is to buy a well designed audio system. There is a good chance that if the power supply of your amp is well designed for noise rejection the amplifier itself is also well designed for high audio fidelity.

@fallenshallrise 4 месяца назад

I think everyone is missing this logic. If you are spending $6k on a power amp and it needs an outboard power conditioner to keep the noise floor down then you got ripped off. If you spent $59 on an Amazon special power amp then adding a $1k power conditioner seems like a misuse of funds. ;p

@ThinkingBetter 4 месяца назад

@@fallenshallrise Very well said!

@scootergants Год назад

I wonder how they respond during transient spikes

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

We will try to create a test for that as well.

@LukasZX-5 Год назад

Bedankt voor deze video! Vraag: heeft zoiets zin als je set op een eigen groep zit, waar verder niets op zit? Gebruik een Furutech stopcontact en vanaf daar is alles Supra SPC. Denk eraan om de kabel vanaf de groep ook SPC te maken, maar zie nogal tegen die klus op. En als ik alsnog beter een conditioner kan aanschaffen heeft het nog minder zin (lijkt me).

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

Daar kan ik niets over zeggen, omdat het enorm verschilt per woning. Een aparte groep wil niet zeggen dat het schoon is.

@LukasZX-5 Год назад

@@TheAlphaAudio Duidelijk, weer wat geleerd. Thanks!

@jmtennapel Год назад

Als je in een wijk woont met heel veel zonnepanelen op de daken, dan komt er van buiten naar binnen al veel verstoringen die alle groepen in gaat.

@Balooba11 Год назад

Puritan 156 owner here. Awesome product. Drastically reduce the noise level through the speakers and much more benefits too.

@krell2026 Год назад

lol just replied to a reply on my post and upped the Puritan 156! At least it shows i wasnt making it up. I am saving to get another. Time to buy shares in Puritan....

@krell2026 Год назад

@@davidcross890that’s ok then, I only have a mid tier system

@Balooba11 Год назад

@@davidcross890 Your personality is spot on low tier.

@Balooba11 Год назад

@@davidcross890 There's help available for people with mental health issues.

@Vsread21 Год назад

@aminbjt5843 Год назад

Thank you for your great work In a good design, this should not happen!!! Unless the manufacturer intends to force the customer to buy more equipment

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

And still it does... also: how is a manufacturer going to implement a solution like the YETI in a device and still: 1. keep it small 2. keep the price down ... ...

@aminbjt5843 Год назад

@@TheAlphaAudio Using low noise power switching

@jmtennapel Год назад

@@aminbjt5843 oversimplification . Ground loops, common mode noise, all stuff that influences not a single component, but a set. And we are not talking about pricing yet, because designing components to be immune to all kinds of noise is costly and won’t keep most components financially acceptable to a lot of consumers. It’s not a conspiracy, you know…..

@aminbjt5843 Год назад

@@jmtennapel No oversimplification But more efficient engineering The most complex designs do not necessarily give the best results

@jmtennapel Год назад

@@aminbjt5843 Sorry, how many amplifiers that you designed are on the market again?

@audiolife5038 Год назад

I have the Powergrip YG3. Have had a dozen other conditioners, but that one is just incredible! Higly recommended and makes a huge difference

@audiolife5038 Год назад

@@davidcross890 Yeah I agree! It was mindblowing once I got that unit. I have never been pleased when connecting amps to conditioners. It has worked well with sources and stuff, but not with amps IMO. Until I met the Powergrip.. I have had so many different conditioners. Second best on my list is the PS Audio regenerators.

@KoopsTech 10 месяцев назад

@@audiolife5038you forgot to switch accounts scambot😂

@MarcelOoms Год назад

How can an AC filter filter out 50Hz hum? I think there is something wrong with your measurement setup

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

It is not a filter... its a galvanic isolation. So yes... that is possible.

@MarcelOoms Год назад

@@TheAlphaAudio How? The transformer in an amplifier itself galvanicly isolates the mains from the speaker outputs. Other than eliminating DC offset on AC, there can be no effect as the 50Hz wave carries all the power.

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

@@MarcelOoms well... a Prism doesn't lie... and I didn't change anything in the setup.

@MarcelOoms Год назад

@@TheAlphaAudio Shure. But aren't you wondering why? May reversing polarity on the AC plug is to blame, as thing can have EMI be in or out of phase in the various instruments. Or a shielding issue due to protective earth violations. These are measurable, but setup artifacts.

@TheAlphaAudio Год назад

@@MarcelOoms the Yeti is balanced. So it is not weird the 50 Hz hum is reduced for it blocks DC.