alt was never really mainstream 

I think in general since the early 2000's it's just really hard to find and connect with anyone who likes the same things. It's like everything has become really mainstream and really specific at the same time. I do miss hearing about cool vintage online shops directly from friends like back in high school, as opposed to hearing about it in videos, but we can still rely on the vibe when we're in person. Some ppl definitely have that alt vibe lol no matter how they dress.

In my city there was a big alt community and I missed going to the shows, but when I saw alt aesthetics becoming a trend I was like “this is literally how people in my city look”

It’s also important to educate oneself on the history of subcultures because we want to avoid replicating things that are offensive or appropriative of marginalised groups. Punks used to wear swastikas in order to shock people. Some punks wore swastikas because they were actual neo-Nazis.

I was 15 when the Sex pistols, The Damned and the Clash broke through in the UK. I then heard A Forest by The Cure in 1980 and Goth became my go to. 42 years later and I'm still into the Alternate L/s and at nearly 59 I really am a elder Goth who's never really grown up.

Good video. I'd like to add that alternative culture has its roots long before the 1950's Mod era. The Romantics and Bohemians of the 1800s were seen as the counter-culture of the Victorian period, questioning social norms and influencing avant garde styles in later decades. The "trendification" of alt styles tends to come and go, but there always have been (and will always be) social outcasts, who seek refuge in a lifestyle that is separate from the mainstream.

If you want to be a goth, listen to goth music. That's it.

I just call myself alternative. 😅 I don’t listen to goth music as much as Emo music, Goth, gothic, and emo styles are my shit. With a little seam, egirl/eboy steampunk even. Mother mother, MCR, Green Day, evanescence, imagine dragons are my music. Edger Allen Poe, dystopian, non-fiction, modern psychological horror, classic gothic romance is my book tastes. 😂 You don’t gotta label it, we can be just us. It’s cool.

Thank you so much for making this video! Now we need a series about subcultures, because now more and more people join the community, as you said, without any idea of what the community is about, we need more easily accessible information with the basic info about the subject of their interest You're amazing, Rayne🖤

I’m an amalgamation of metalhead, rivethead, goth, steampunk and grunge. I have many interests

Goth is also just as complex as punk, and is about the music!

Congrats on getting medicated. I was terrified of getting medicated for my ADHD until like, a month ago, and honestly it’s like night and day. If it’s right for you, by all means take medication! All the shit about it making you into a zombie or whatever shouldn’t happen if you’re on the right meds, by the way. I was on an SSRI for ages and it made me feel like shit but I thought that was normal because of the narrative surrounding them. Turns out it wasn’t, and I ended up switching to a different SSRI and I feel way better. Don’t be afraid to look at your options.

As far as I know, there were definitely alternative subcultures long before the mods, even in Britain! Teddy boys were already old guard by the time mods were around and even they were wearing a Victorian style of jacket throwing back to even older styles. And there were several reasons mods and rockers were at a divide not just rock vs jazz. Mods were modern by definition, and rockers mostly descended from teddy boys and had some very outdated and prejudice views. They listened to rockabilly and were not the “new” tradition, they were the retro 50s styled. Where mods embraced soul, rnb, rocksteady and ska music, all new and multicultural styles of music. Even mods eventually split into factions with soft mods leaning more towards middle class values and into the 60s hippiedom and hard mods being the framework to lead to the beginnings of skinhead, with working class styles and ska music. Eventually when punks came around all of these things were there own distinct tribes and all butted heads. Which goes to show how many different things inform alternative currents now a-days. Alt as we all see it now is very much a giant umbrella and generalizing term and in some ways even reducing many of these subcultures and counter cultures to being more or less just looks and styles instead of lifestyles and cultures Love these kinds of history and video essay vids 👍

When I was a teenager, in the late 2000s and early 2010s, the situation was quite problematic... I think the old punks and metalheads are no longer relevant today as they were then. The young alternative urban tribes such as the Emos, the Pop Punks or the Mall Goths were despised by the underground subcultures of the 20th century. Honestly, I started to be interested in dark underground subcultures when I was a teenager because... I was a bit weird... and I thought that edgy look was cool and I preferred rock misic to pop and EDM... and later I understood the rest of the philosophy I lived in a small place and didn't fully identify with punk, but the only alternative people in my town were a group of punks who became my friends. This situation influenced me because I couldn't choose friends with similar tendencies to mine and I had to get closer to punks so as not to be socially marginalized. Slowly and unconsciously I adapted my musical influences, my lifestyle, my clothes and my ideals to punk. Finally in 2010 I went to university and with the explosion of alternative internet cultures I was able to form my own identity. The problem with gatekeeping is that until the 2000s there were only 3 or 4 subcultures from which you could choose with a very specific aesthetic and way of living. Today there are infinite possibilities and the old punks and metalheads don't understand the young people who don't fit in their traditional patterns. There is a generational gap between boomers and genx that separates them from millennials and genz in the way they understand alternative subcultures. Great video, greetings from Spain

I hate how i come up to people who look goth and whne we talk about bands it becomes immediately clear they only dress up and know nothing about goth yet say yes when i ask "are you goth?" Then i try to tlak about bands but it gets awkward and i just stop talking abouf bands and music all together. From almost all the people ive aksed only 2 were actually goth or knew anyhting about goth past the main 5: bauhaus, siouxsie and the Banshees, the cure and sister of mercy. This sounds good but these people never go past knowing one song from each band or just knowing the band name. You arent goth if over the past 2 years those are the only goth bands you know. Also im from California and yes, theres a shit ton of people who dress edgy or alternative and know nothing of alternative music except emo rap or mgk and stuff... apart from this, ive seen this topic brought up a lot but its always by people who arent alternarive but spealjng from a perspective as an outsider which is nice but never that indept like this. Thnaks for saying ur opinion as an alternative person!!

I call myself alternative, I listen to goth, punk and metal and have been doing so for many a year.

Regarding goth, not all goth music came out of post-punk! Slightly before the British post-punk goth era started, Californians invented deathrock. Deathrock is a goth subgenre that came directly out of punk, instead of post-punk. :) (there’s actually some debate about if deathrock should be considered goth or its own thing, but that’s a lot to get into)

just gonna type out some thoughts that popped up for me watching this 😱i'm 25 now and i related to going up to alternative people and hoping to have similar interests and make friends, but then having nothing in common. It's pretty isolating and harder to make alternative friends than before, especially since leaving school/uni circles. I get very nostalgic for school friends, going to concerts together, sharing music and just sitting around outside in a park or whatever hanging out and having fun, being in a little school band with my friends where we covered alternative rock songs!! Lotta nostalgia aha but I lost contact due to distance and people going off to uni. It seems like a lot of the culture is now online, on tik tok, twitter or discord groups with mostly younger people. But I just don't vibe with these online places D: I've found it really hard to find people for literal years with all these factors!

Thx to explain about alt. its real appreciate🖤💀 and about gatekeeper. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🖤

I loved this! Def would love to see your punk video

Can I ask you where you get all od these informations? I'm so impresed by this video. I want to know all this stuff about alt history too. More videos like this please. I love this.

I've always been drawn to alternative fashion, but I struggled (and still struggle) with differentiating and knowing about genres of music and subcultures, and it can get confusing knowing which subculture something fits into. This has kind of kept me from involving myself with anything, and only kind of dressing similarly. It's been unfortunate honestly, but I'd rather that than be rude or ignore history because I don't know of it. So this video has been pretty helpful. So thanks

I think mod was definitely not the first alternative style, even in the 1950s (although it sounds like such a unrealistic stereotype) greasers were definitely a subculture compared to the norm and even back in the 19th century there were controversial alternative fashion fads such as tight lacing corsets and I’m sure it has happened somewhere even before then

I think alts have never been so unclassified

1:00 same 💀 Except I’m not moving anytime soon 😢

Awesome video!

Great video! I couldn't tell you were reading a script. ;)

This is really useful, thanks

What keeps my hopes up is that the mainstream is always changing and some years from now they'll change anyway and get onto something else

Somehow this video popped up into my feed and i love it. I always appreciate and respect alternative music and communities 😮😊

I like A lot of music including goth, punk and emo. I think I should identify as alternative because even with fashion I'm eclectic. Coz I see it as an umbrella term, one that could be used to describe someone like me who doesn't really fit into one subculture.

Great video!! I love your channel

Can you do a podcast on alt?

" I'm a fifty six year old virgin "

The gate keep is crazy but I feel yiu

Alternative because I don't belong anywhere else.

Very off topic but i love your brows

wrong. 90s alt was mainstream.

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"Alt was never mainstream" *takes pills for mental issues*

Could someone please tell me what alt ideology is? Or send links bc I can't find any info and I want to really get into alt culture

Emo is not goth. Just to let everyone know. From music to the look. Be proud of your Emo, Emos.

All of this is rather immature.

What about Avril lavigne is she punk?

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Interesting , like listening to you talk🥰