Altay MBT. The Best from Turkey 

the ambt in the game is op pls nerf

@@columc lol im dying XDDD

Where are you from RedEffect ?

Turkey is kanibal they do genosayd of armenia greek ent Koyrdis en souport Jihantist isis islamofasist

Please review Indonesia-Turkey Medium Tank Kaplan.

Actually Arjun is the best MBT

@@SONNENKVLT no! Transmission broke again

Happyalltheday 227 oops nooooo my gun keeps misfiring

@@SONNENKVLT bt-5 kills it in one shot

It’s underrated

Yeah tank has risk angle they stole from lower plate to thicken upper plate that is the case with most modern mbts

#BRITISHTANKPROBLEMS

amir rasydan not anymore

@Ausgang not anymore, check out the Challenger 2's 'Megatron' TES upgrade sometime

You mean 45mm APHE

Hope he does. Does look badass doesn't it

That thing would probably not enter service, due to same reason the Armata didn’t receive 150mm cannon. The ammunition production will cost a lot.

Well i think Germany is planning to put on A leopard 2 and then the US wouldn't be far behind, maybe not this turret but I do think the Challenger will eventually get a 130mm

@@scudb5509 it will probably be a 120mm smoothbore tbh since us Brits are all about keeping with standardised NATO ammo... 130 will come later..

@@HeroicODST wouldn't be surprised if the last Leopard 2 variants (A8, A9, whatever) would have a 130mm gun. Just to serve as a transition to the successor vehicle.

No tank can beat either of them. Its like comparing a bicycle to a köningstiger, it just stands no chance.

Even a nuke cant destroy a toyota with a machinegun

As a Turk i am afraid to say that we cannot beat a Toyota Hilux with 1938 DShK. They have the blessing of Papa Stalin.

I believe that it may be a slight match to a hilux with a machine gun but a bob semple? please, we are just a regional power not some eldritch horror

Serious stuff my friend.at 14 million dollar a piece this MBT are nothing to sneeze at...

Germany doesnt export that engine to your country for a good reason.

Thanks for Germany not to support us the engine so that our industry is working to cable of our own engine may be slowly but more radically like same as F 35 projects. We do our own TF-X projects , the first flight 2023-24, i think serial production will start in 2029. We start to produce our tanks right now , thanks god those embargoes are making my nation strong as steel.

Is it the Kurds? It's the Kurds isn't it? I bet it's the Kurds

@@scaredandconfused9685 No, not over the YPG. Them refusing to export the engine has been there way before the operations that we did againist the PKK/YPG. Germans did this kind of thing in the 80s and 90s.

@@scaredandconfused9685 kurds, syrians, libyans, greeks, armenians..etc who doesnt turkey have a problem with lol

You mean: "ok, so our tanks are blowing up in the cities because we are using tanks not right. what do we do?" Solution 1: Using tanks how they should be use. Solution 2: Blaming the tank for beeing bad

@@212thfives8 Yes, contrary to popular beliefs, tanks are basically mobile guns that are supposed to be used swiftly after suppression barrages to carry out their mission, rather than parade around and pose as targets for ATGM's in asymetric warfare. In conventional operations, the protection would be less important than people think.

well... t2 version will have blowout panels but we have to wait

@Someone Unknown Definitely not with tanks

@@komradearti9935 so what would be the best solution for ammo stowage then?

He's a poor serb boi He takes anything he gets

Sponsors like this will give you a good 30k

a trash game like war thunder giving 30k? imagine a triple a game.

what could gaijin possibly be selling for 400$. gaijin coin dont count since they are ingame money

@Drayn 99 the is7 is around 700€ so yes they make money the game sucks tho

Yep, Germany will not allow MTU to export to Turkey. SK K2 production got delayed due to indegenious powerpacks (substandard transmission). So, first batch used MTU powerpacks. 2nd batch used Korean engine with MTU tranny. 3rd batch?

They already have transmission its only the engine

@RedEffect I guess the engine problem is quiet severe and the production of the Altay will be delayed for years or even terminated. This article is from a Turkish journalist from 26 of June 2020! „Turkey’s inability to produce a fully indigenous engine is harming some of the country’s otherwise successful domestic defense programs, according to industry and government officials.“ “We had it 15 years ago, we had it 10 years ago and we are still having it,” said a former defense industry chief. “It’s our chronic engine problem.” „BMC, a Turkish-Qatari joint venture that in 2018 won the serial production contract for the Altay, said in October 2020 that the tank would be fielded within 24 months. The original target was to have the Altay in the field this year 2020. Today, procurement officials and industry sources say even 2022 is an optimistic deadline.“ www.defensenews.com/industry/techwatch/2020/06/26/turkeys-chronic-engine-problem-is-harming-defense-projects-warn-officials/

@Clannie 184 The engine is not the biggest problem. Korea got an engine developed in short time. But Korea still labours to replace the original Renk gearbox with a home grown one with the same capability and reliability. EU firms have stopped technical aid for the Altay project. Guess Turkey must get a complete drive unit for the tank or use its 40 reserve drive units from Leo 2A4 for the first batch of Altays. Comparable units to hs 1400 Turkey - ready since XII 2020 Avco/Pratt & Whitney T800 USA HAL/Turbomeca Shakti France, India LHTEC T800 USA, UK Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6B/C USA, Canada Safran Arrano France

That hurt

Tracks absorbing APFSDS shells is immersive, yes

@@cocowarrior211 As long as the tracks are made of rubber, like on the M3. Stuff just bounces off of rubber.

panzer 3: pew cromwell 3: oh no my turret got blown off totally the most detailed and immersive damage models in gaming man

Ah yes,the anti matter vision ports

@@revolverswitch do be honest idk

Indo tiger ????

@@ariqasadam199 yes

@@ariqasadam199 fnss pinadad tiger We tell kaplan this tank and have family kaplan 20 ,kaplan 30 And we love indonesia

@@TR052 ooh

Isn't kaplan a apc

I agree!

Kinda..but its crap:)

@kretik ay its crap. Leopard 2 is the best mbt and after that when its there Leo 3.

@kretik ay nice joke turkisht tanks suck so hard.

Just like the Arjun, but the rule of cool unfortunately doesn't protect you from APFSDS nor HEAT.

I've seen this comment twice now so just to make it clear the tank was designed before the operation and some design choices were done based on the Leopard 2 tank. After seeing the design flaws of the Leopard 2 in real combat the T2 version of Altay was planned to fix these problems.

Lol

Moar Dakka

they are destroyed in aleppo, not in idlib.

A good offense is the best defense right?

Altering all the A4s to A6 Hel would be a good start. Or removing a A1s and get some new A7s.

Stavroforos Greece should acquire the new Rh 120mm L55A1 gun, able to fire the DM73 round ( still under development). This round features an 25% increase in penetration performance compared to the combination of the old L55 gun and the DM53/63 KE- round. So for sure able to penetrate the armour of the Altay at any spot.

Do Greece and Turkey get along?

@@zakr-g334 there is a lot of tension between turkey and greece nowadays because of conflicting claims on territorial waters based on different interperations of maritime law and international agreements.

@@alperakyuz9702 oh lots of countries argue about stuff like that

Insta kill

Arjun is a piece of junk

@@yeameenhossain3132 no shit sherlock

@@yeameenhossain3132 no shit sherlock

Edit:(!!!WARNING!!! *SARCASM INTENDED* ) That's correct, Arjun tank is so powerful it can destroy altay tank in Idlib all the way from India with ease!!!!!!!!💪💪💪 . . . . . . . . . . . . (Edit: ig someone thought i was being serious above,that's not the case,hope the *subtle* hints clear it up....)

But still the tank can't face a German Leopard or a American Abraham's it would loose

Şu motoru engine diye degistir 😂😂

Ama 2021 garanti seri üretim

@@TR052 eyv ben mal gibi motor yazmışım değiştirdim

@@Noah-jj9ix the m60a3 is like the tr85, making the best out of what you have. It can't take on modern tanks but can take on everything else and still support infantry.

Thanks Greetings from Turkey lol

Wait what? Aren't you guys hate each other because of some minor issues?

@@tzeentchnianexaltedsorcero2041 Nope dude. We hate nationalist people. We don't want any problem because we share borders and if you have problem with your neighbours it will bad for everyone

@@tzeentchnianexaltedsorcero2041 Uh no we hate each other because of some major issues

@@tzeentchnianexaltedsorcero2041 Turks never destroyed greek churches. Greek has a proverb: better be with Muslim Turks than be with catholic Italians

Why does Germany have an embargo?

@@vespeneprotoss4346 german government doesn't like turks

@@vespeneprotoss4346 Because the turkish government uses german tech to kill civilians in Kurdistan

@@vespeneprotoss4346 because Turkey Is a dicatorship and needs to be stopped

Neden sizi tehrim etdiler???

There is a big difference between the two and the k2 is 55 tons. Altay 65+.

@@brandonpak2445 are you okay dude?

Its a normal thing because Turkey just started to produce its weapons and shouldnt take risks. So companies should just copy cat the best items at first. This is like a rule to start a business

@@mustafaerdem140 you can't copy quality

I smell kurds and greeks in this comment section. And a sprinkle of armenians.

Matsimus has video on that

@@kaizenomnibiz5383 Oh cool.

I don't think altay is an amateur's job. It's pretty decent tank. Far ahead of , Karrar>Al-Kalid>Arjun. For me Altay is samr level with BM-Oplot.

@@ruslankazimov622 bruh arjun already got upgraded to mk 1A and mk 2 what do you think of those? Are they better ?

Because this project begin first Otokar take project, otokar select rotem because havent design and engine. Otokar take this rotem After erdogan send bmc this project Turkish peoples dont want bmc because dont skills this industry 2.This is design k2 others Tr made You search pulat active protect system and k2 use seramic armor we use Boron + carbide armor. And use others Turkish systems We try systems in m60TM m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KVBiVgcnzHY.html And use altay And we modernizing kazakhstan t72 www.defenceturk.net/modernize-t-72a-testleri-tamamladi Pls dont write ignorant comment

Turkey got themselves into this mess. Germany was forced politically and ethically to no longer support Turkey. Mainly due to German journalists being abused by Turkish authorities.

turkey is an unreliable partner itself, they starting wars everywhere

Well turkey is funding Terrorism. What do you expect?

@@MrNebelschatten What terrorism? You mean freedom loving pro democracy protesters?

@@TheTeKuZa no I mean Daesh and friends

@csikkeszmen ifj tbh, I know

It's already changed bro

Lol idiot

Only the chassis is korean eletronics optics everything else is turkish made soon the engine foe ut will be done and official aim to start mass producrion is 2023 so it still has time to be finished

@@younissumaling8744 lol 🦃😂

@@nonofyoubuisnes8783 2135 lmao

"completely free"

No. The korean engine is intended for the K2 which is 10+ tons lighter than the Altay. It has less torque than the originally planned MTU engine. Also the intended weight won't be archieved. Altay will be heavier than the prototype, because France stopped exporting their armor. More weight + less powerful engine = worse mobility.

Not sure if Turkey can get a new gun from rheinmetall and if im not mistaken Turkey has licensing for the current guns. Its plausible if the relations go back to normal but if technology transfer gets refused by germans, Trukey is not even going to ask again. She is trying hard to produce every single military project locally. Using an autoloader or a normal human being is just a choice that Turkish army made. They did not wanted an autoloader and Im sure they have their reasons, since not every mbt uses an autoloader.

Since ALTAY is a bigger version of the K2, which in theory could fit the Rheinmetall 140mm... i am pretty sure it can. However, german companies have stopped working with Turkey. Autoloader isn't needed for relatively light 120mm shells.

Or Leopard:)

2.This project begin, İf you see date altay begin 2008 tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altay_(tank) k2 begin 2014tank tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Black_Panther We begin this project 1 company take this project "otokar" and otokar send someone design but otokar select one partner this company "rotem " rotem work design in k2 and otokar like this and design similar tank,after erdogan send project bmc (Tr peoples dont like bmc because bmc manufactoring jeep,otokar manuafctoring medium tanks in year "Tulpar") bmc lose big time( 3 years) after erdoğan send project aselsan Aselsan big company and work this project (2020 july) i m belive aselsan or otokar.Bmc manufactoring easy jeep . We have skills tanks and tank modernization 1.we modernizing kazakhstan t72 www.defenceturk.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/T-72-Aselsan-2.jpg www.savunmasanayi.org/ruslar-uretti-aselsan-modernize-etti-t-72/ 2.m60 TM m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KVBiVgcnzHY.html 3.leopard 2a4ng www.google.com/search?q=leopard+2a4ng&safe=strict&client=ms-android-asus-tpin&prmd=sivn&sxsrf=ALeKk015MvMRlSAK5fVdgLsd5h3gipTgLQ:1597579023185&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjvpLXR1Z_rAhUilIsKHRoYCHkQ_AUoAnoECAsQAg&biw=360&bih=512&dpr=2

@@TR052 Wait, really, you still use the shitty M60? Man, I am sorry for your country.

@@maxiona714 We use the Sabra version on borders against terrorists

@@maxiona714 we use m60t sabra it is good for urban areas

K2 is using the same gun as the Leopard 2 and German transmission and the first batch of K2 was equipped with the same engine as well.

@@hendi1571 ya know, the altay also uses the same gun so...

@@ernstbusch179 yeah you see it's a baby of the K2, as all German technology used in the altay is used in the K2 as well.

@@hendi1571 no this project begin first Otokar take project, otokar select rotem because havent design and engine. Otokar take this rotem After erdogan send bmc this project Bmc dont manufactoring medium tanks,but otokar manufactoring medium tanks Turkish peoples dont want bmc because dont skills this industry 2.This is design k2 others Tr made You search pulat active protect system and k2 use seramic armor we use Boron + carbide armor. And use others Turkish systems We try systems in m60TM m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KVBiVgcnzHY.html And use altay And we modernizing kazakhstan t72 www.defenceturk.net/modernize-t-72a-testleri-tamamladi Pls dont write ignorant comment 3.usa use copy l55 in m1abrams Turkey use this copy,why yours tell this

@@TR052 ah. Ah yes. So there is a L/55 used in the Abrams? Yeah, for sure. But apart from that.... nothing you wrote had anything to do with my statement.... Just a lil note on the pulat: this system is based on Ukrainian Zaslon.

Same thing the Americans were thinking

@@fishgaming9818 they hope

Commander Pinochet large enough to constantly hit it

Commander Pinochet bro that’s fucking huge plus every shot to the hull will bounce to the ring

@Commander Pinochet The gunner is the one aiming, the fcs makes the round hit the spot the gunner aimed at

Karrar is just an upgraded T-72S ... If they build the Karrar as intented it's a good mix of a T-72B (T-72S is the export variant of that) and an Early T-90 (Model 1992, which in fact was called T-72BU but because of sucking donkey models in Gulf War were renamed :D).

It is normal to get some help from foreign nations when it is your first tank otherwise you should start from developing great war era tanks the reason you guys are doing a more domestic tank is because you are not the most loved nation in the world whic is the same reason we are rapidly expanding our military capability

@@blacksee7824 I totaly agree with you. Look at our foot soldiers. They still wear cast iron helmets with no internal comforting material. Bare metal on bald head. And we still have infantry divisions. That means infantry which is supposed to march into battle by foot, from it's base which is possibly located 100 miles away from battle ground. Eye watering.

@@behroozkhaleghirad but Teheran alone is to blame though. The rhetoric coming from there for Decades is heavy stuff. And public executions like saudi arabia is also heavy stuff. But bare helmet on head is crap that leads to all kinds of health Problems

Are you mentioning about the Indonesian Medium Tank? I think he already made a Video about it.

@@randomka-52alligatorthatis34 which video?

@@randomka-52alligatorthatis34 Not indonesian.Kaplan made in Turkey and sold to Indo.

tanks doesnt get obsolete that fast man,like t72 is still good and its in production since soviet times

Enes Kesicioğlu leopard 2 ve challenger 2 ye artık 130 luk top entegre ediliyor altayın topuysa hala 120 lik ve sen altayı t 72 le kıyaslama t 72 zaten eski ama işlevsiz demiyorum eski olsada hala ölümcül o başka mesele

@@ferid9k top büyüklüğü gücü göstermiyor salak seni, 130 mm olsun da ne yazar ? şuanki top zaten delebiliyor tanklar tanklarla çok savaşmıyor ki hatta türkiye gibi suriye libyada olan bir ülke için tanklar tanka karşı kullanılmıyor çünkü tankın en büyük düşmanı avcısı anti tank roketleri veya insansız hava araçlarından veya jetlerden atılan mühimatlar ayrıca challenger 2 ye deneyecekler ama dediğim gibi gereksiz masraf

Enes Kesicioğlu biraz saygılı ol altay meskun mahalde kullanılsa bile tank tanka savaş için de işe yaramalı çünki elimizdeki a4 ler eskiyecek

​@@ferid9k kalibre artışı direkt güç artışı değildir. Keza kalibre artışı yapmak için tanktan çok fazla şey feda etmen gerekecektir, silahın tank içinde gerektireceği alan, mermi sayısında azalma tankın ağırlığında artış, atış sonrası tepmede artış, yakıt tüketiminde artış gibi faktörler olacaktır. Kalibre artışı yaparak edineceğin max 50-70 mm deliş gücü ve 200-300 mt. menzil artışı için bu kadar feda tankı kullanacağın coğrafya açık alan, ufak tepecikler ve düzlük değilse gereksiz yük olur.

@@cx9882 I bet Finland, Estonia and Poland will send combat troops to aid Greece.

@@cx9882 Finland and Poland have JASSM cruise missiles that would be used. Air force, navy, special forces to direct fire and selected well equipped mechanized units would propably be sent to Greece. USA, France and Italy are the biggest question marks. UK and Germany are too cucked.

@@cx9882 Russia and especially China are small players when it comes to international military conflicts. Russia would side with Greece anyways.

@@cx9882 And refugees only work as a weapon if the receiving country is accepting them and is run by traitors. It's easy to just say no.

France seems to be involved as well. I think Erdogan is set prime for a hard lesson - Turkey has big limits on its power - and they are testing these limits.

Since when ?

@@Moh-dn8dg I dont remember, but they decided to work with Poland.

But turkey has its own motor in development and first batch will be using leopard motors

@@ferid9k he said in the video that the turkish company responsible for developing an engine failed

@@sokratisvlahopoulos2244 they are still trying

I mean the k2 uses korea's version of the l55 so

TheBraveGallade I do know that South Korea always claims that they are using a domestically developed L55 gun. The problem with that, is that various German sources do state something different, namely that is a licensed produced variant of the Rh 120mm L55 gun. The same is with the KSTAM ammunition. Korea always states, that it is a ammunition type developed by South Korean companies, but in fact it uses the sub ammunition of the German SMArt 155 round!

I think even though economy is falling it wont effect defense industry as long as factories are inside Turkey. Every country in the world will spend for its armed forces a lot no matter what.

@@localdrugseller6431 I know but because erdogan is hiding a literal economic crisis in turkey's banks then I really don't expect them to continue pursuing the project because sooner rather than later turkey's economic problems will catch up to them and that might mean prolonged delays with the tank project especially with the turkish lira hitting new lows day by day due to inflation

I think economy is bad but about heavy industries that's a different thing because Turkey does have heavy industries because Turkey didn't have a big brands at popular culture what Turkey has the part manufacturing industry and We are catching up with new trends, every is not always politics people do investments right then it pays off

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ftIupdNL4mI.html

not the gun but the engine yes,thats why turkey wants to build its own engine and it achived 1300 hp,but theres a lot of strugless to achive 1500 hp engine

It may cause a delay but i a positive turkey will find either an alterntive engine or try to build one itself. It will take some time and money but it is most certainly possible.

alper akyuz Good luck, it took the koreans more than 10 years to develop their own engine. And even for that own engine they do not have a locally developed transmission but have to use a Renk transmission! „Hyundai Rotem signed a contract from the second batch of 106 K2 tanks in December 2014, but the vehicles continued to have powerplant issues due to the S&T Dynamics transmission failing durability tests. In February 2018, DAPA announced the second batch would have a "hybrid" powerpack consisting of the locally developed engine with the German RENK transmission system, allowing them to start entering service in 2019. An additional contract for the production of a third batch of about 110 K2s is to follow within the next several years.“ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Black_Panther Do you think the famous high tech Nation Turkey is able achieve what South Korea wasn’t able to achieve? You are kidding.

Mark Schöning the funny thing is both the engine aswell as the transmission are 40 year old designs by now.

@@markschoning5581 have you ever heard the word stealing something or in more technical terms "reverse engineering" if germany wont sell anything we will copy it and change just a little bit to evade copyright claims. Plus there is always a chance to find an alternative power pack and license produce it.

Are you mad?

@@younissumaling8744 Look at the turret of both the Altay and Leclerc. They look pretty similar tbh.

It looks more like K2 BP than Leclerc. Both has similar turrets tho. I think Altay/K2 has slimmer one

Your tank would wipe the floor with theirs all day

Abrams is a great tank especially with all these upgrades

İf indianns buy t90 bishma 😂😂

They simply can't. This is a propaganda too. Turkey doesn't have proper production facilities to mass produce such tanks.

cengiz teo uluyurt NATO (and Asian counties ) should just pull away from Turkey if they don’t want to pay for their shit and just use others for free gain

@@sincereeastman6972 they already did so. Foreign businesses stopped importing dolar to turkey because of threat towards their money trapping inside turkey. Today only russia and korea still makes military contracts with turkey.

cengiz teo uluyurt thank god most of NATO did so, Turkey brought this on themselves

Leopards good tank but We need Tr tank İf we modernizing leopard 2 a4ng 2.1.500.000 Turk live germany but Turks dont like germany

Lol no.

Yes

Yup.

Yes

@Ausgang Should I? No fucking way. It's a fakedemic.

@@kazm4760 Bummer.

Doesn't matter,turkish tankers suck,just see their performance in Iraq and syria

And btw that's because the weight if arjun tank is more than that of the turkish tank

Ayush Gupta only marginally lighter

😂😂 Buddy you see leopard 2 a4ng Or Read this text Because this project begin first Otokar take project, otokar select rotem because havent design and engine. Otokar take this rotem After erdogan send bmc this project Turkish peoples dont want bmc because dont skills this industry 2.This is design k2 others Tr made You search pulat active protect system and k2 use seramic armor we use Boron + carbide armor. And use others Turkish systems We try systems in m60TM m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KVBiVgcnzHY.html And use altay And we modernizing kazakhstan t72 www.defenceturk.net/modernize-t-72a-testleri-tamamladi Pls dont write ignorant comment

İf arjun have big quality today india buy arjun, dont buy t90 bishma

M60s proved to be obsolete for Frontline missions, despite the upgrades from Israel it's still fragile against atgm even to turrets. They replaced Frontline heavy duty missions with leopards and m60s serving as static protection in army logistics behind the lines.

Because this project begin first Otokar take project, otokar select rotem because havent design and engine. Otokar take this rotem After erdogan send bmc this project Turkish peoples dont want bmc because dont skills this industry 2.This is design k2 others Tr made You search pulat active protect system and k2 use seramic armor we use Boron + carbide armor. And use others Turkish systems We try systems in m60TM m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KVBiVgcnzHY.html And use altay And we modernizing kazakhstan t72 www.defenceturk.net/modernize-t-72a-testleri-tamamladi

If this is a joke, it’s funny, If it isn’t it’s more funny.

@@tinercistalin5483 bro I'm making fun of the INDIANS... Its just that they claim ARJUN is like the best tank in universe 😂...

@@fadyNUFC YASSSS ARJUN IS DA KING!

Many people in USA are homeless too . But did it made stop America to spend on war ?

%40 of Russian youth leaving the country and i think its for Turkey too

In America many of the homeless people are vets

I think it's a mix of the leopard and the k2

@@jaggerfoxland8103l Since Korea provided technical support in all aspects of tank design, there is no German influence at all. Poland will also have a custom K2PL 60 ton tank optimized for terrain in Eastern Europe.

xd what ? incompetence 'in using them' leopard 2a4's arent designed to fight in urban combat so they did poorly,but sabre was designed for that so sabre's plus turkish modernization of them did well, how is this even close to 'incompetent'?

Are you seriously calling the Turkish army incompetent? That's funny coming from an armchair general. It was expected that Leopard 2s could indeed survive ATGM strikes, however that wasn't the case. In an operation with limited air cover, Leopard's were used as line-of-sight artillery against ISIS. Just to be clear the Turks are the only one's apart from the SAA that fought ISIS on the ground. They killed 3000 of them.

Enes Kesicioğlu sitting on top of a hill getting blown up by an atgm fired from 2km away isn’t what I would call urban combat. NATO used older tanks like M1A1s or Leopard 1s much more successfully in asymmetric urban scenarios. Therefore it seems that tactical usage is the key factor in their failure.

​@@roadrunner6224 Yeah, back when ATGMs weren't prevalent.... ATGMs changed everything. That's why Turkish Leopards are soon getting ERA and APS installed on them. Because they learned that naked Leopards are highly susceptible to ATGMs

@@globalmillitary9611 Ya forgot about the Kurds, boi.

Apart from crew? Probably electronics, optics, hydraulics, superstructure itself, armor panels, interiors , suspension and tracks.

@@ruslankazimov622 All the electronics,armor,the engine,the suspension,the gun,the optics are all german...Which is a problem since the germans are refusing to sell equipment to turkey

@@Feffdc No, I'm pretty sure all those parts are made in Turkey. Turkey has good electronics sector, in some places almost better than archaic russian counterparts. German's are refusing to supply engine. That's why they started to develop local one. Stop being biased and listen whay 3rd parties say.

@@ruslankazimov622 What do you mean you are pretty sure?Turks are relying on germans for that project.All the critical components are german made with technological input from korea and turks are having tons of problems with the production www.defensenews.com/land/2018/11/13/success-of-turkeys-indigenous-altay-tank-in-question-over-foreign-involvement/

A sandal stuck under the drivers seat?