What if These Countries From Fiction Were Real? - Alternate Countries 

Panem's map is highly innacurate. It's more likely the territory they claim is mostly uninhabited and most of the districts aren't very populated and concentrated in a few areas and settlements

R/imaginary Maps has a few maps that detail how sparse panem's control is in what was us terrritory

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Russian "FEDERATION" duh🙄

@accidiaet nah I asked him to point it out and he pointed at Latin America he was serious

Sounds like Damon could use some geography classes

What happened to him when he hit 7th grade social studies

That would make them a non-sovereign country in such terms technically. The nations of the UK in our world are England, Scotland, wales, and northerners Ireland. They have devolved parliaments, but the sovereign state is the UK itself. You seem to be mostly right, just the use of the word sovereign is the sticking point. Then again, the Jersey could exist as either a remnant of the old nation, or the team could function sort of as a subdivisional team of some sort in the movie.

Scotland isn't sovereign.

@@venmis137yeah but they still have their own national identity apart from being in the UK, a child wearing their countries jersey while being part of an even larger union isn’t too out of the box

@@arthurmorgan3180Yes, being Scottish is a distinct nationality, but that doesn't make Scotland a sovereign state.

I think it’s more accurate to assume that the districts are more like cities than covering the areas of massive states, and also very likely that Panem is actually overstating there size for propaganda reasons.

katnis said if she cross the border of panem she could live freely, suggest that the borders is really in panem's control

@@StephaneTheard distric 13 confirm it size as rel not just capital's propaganda

I imagine something like that as well in my adaptation. The cities/towns I marked would be the only places where people live. Outside of those towns the countryside would be pretty much entirely devoid of human life. I imagine the borders as simply being legal boundaries. Like in the real world, plenty of national or state borders are in the middle of nowhere. I do think they would've been more relevant boundaries before the first rebellion and start of the hunger games however. It's mentioned in the prequel that the Covey people migrated throughout Panem, going from district to district. It didn't sound like that would've been by train, that's at least not the notion I got. So perhaps people weren't as limited to population centers pre rebellion, with some limited rural population existing.

Melungeon?

What is that?

@@Terranallias18a black person descended from domestic servants or something, (quick google search led me here) probably not true

​@Terranallias18 it's a multi ethnic identity common in Appalachia. European, Indigenous American, and some African.

​@@komododragon6061 A piola

Ojala saquen Ghosts 2😔

Call of Duty lore is so dumb. The USA would easily crush Latin America.

Same

​@@australis1same too

It is probably a remnant of an old naval invasion by the US I mean if you see the map in the movie south Vietnam is not a part of new Asia which is quite strange

​@@fitawiroyudho3988 It's a Vietnam war allegory.

No there's an idea

Mid WW1/2 would be wild

@@topsdaily_productions I think the inter-war era might have the most potential. It already saw the rise of new ideologies and ideas of nationality.

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Is katniss white or black?

@@Sigma_Male_Anti_Female White. Why does it matter? It’s not like most black people are straight from Africa, plenty of black people in born in U.S. Katniss’s stylist is black.

She and the rest of the people in the Seam (the poorest part of District 12) are described as “olive”.

Bought it lol

Wasn't the U.S. working towards Philippine independence prior to WW2? I imagine the U.S. just let's them loose, and over some decades, Japan slowly builds ties until the Philippines are nominally in her empire. I struggle to understand how Japan could have lost to China in this scenario, though. Maybe Japan didn't in fact lose to China in the 1940s, but instead lost to a resurgent China decades later, somehow able to retain Indochina but not Korea.

@@J7Handle USSR? perhaps in this alternate reality it was CCP that fought the japan empire thus they could ask for help to the soviet union, and obviously korea is not an exception

Keep in mind the Japanese empire part is just my made up scenario, the producers as far as I know haven't given much thought to how New Asia was founded. But yeah, there would have to be some additional change in the world's history with the Philippines. Perhaps they gained independence earlier, were never colonized by the US, or perhaps Japan was able to capture them or purchase them from Spain before the US. Of course there still is Japan defeating the US in ww2. But I seriously doubt that was possible. New Asia could also have nothing to do with the Japanese empire. Although given that Japan is shown as being a part of it, I have a hard time imagining it not being a state founded by Japan.

@@_martian101 So the Soviets would help push the Japanese out of China and Korea, and even Taiwan, but leave Indochina for the Chinese to try to take by themselves, and Japan successfully defends, leaving us with a united China protected by the Russians, but the rest of the Japanese empire untouched. I can see that being plausible.

They could've have given The Federation a better backstory. Like they could have said fascism was increasing in Latin America, and since fascism is notorious for making up a common enemy to rally the masses ( like Hit*ler blamed the Jews for everything) Latin Americans could've built up hatred for the Imperialist practices of Anglo America ( The USA, Canada, Guyana and other Anglo American nations). And the Latin Americans rallying behind the Federation could've easily been explained by the fact The USA deposed democratically elected governments in favor of brutal dictatorships in Latin America during the Cold War, thus creating an anti-american sentiment amongst the people ( This happened during the Cold War in our world)

There might not be other nations or other nations near by at least.

Same

Could be, totally possible. The thing that threw me off though was Japan seemingly being a part of it on the map, and several characters speaking Japanese. That's what pushed me down the surviving Japanese empire route, given that in a future more unified ASEAN Japan wouldn't be particularly relevant. I doubt it would want to join such a union. But on the other hand that's probably not any more unrealistic than the Japanese empire somehow surviving.

i believe that panem is a result of the defeat of the US in WW3 not long after WW2 ended, it reborn as isolated authoritarian state just like our north korea, the evidence is that they accomplished technological advancement way more rapid than our world even though their population are very low with very limited human resources as panem divided by 12 districts and only few districts got proper education, those technologies must be imported from very advanced nations outside north america.

japan wage war against US is a fatal mistake no matter in which alternate universe you live in

Another thing I like about the movie is that it doesn't explain how new asia came to be, since in their point of view it would be common knowledge for everyone with no need for exposition.

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Also the ghosts federation had some roots when it was the predecessor state. The Andean federation. A Peru led union consisting of Peru, rump state Ecuador, Chile and Colombia. With Allie’s like solis, and Volanca. Made as some third party power of the Americas. As well as some anti communist pact. To avoid communism taking over Latin America. But then the collapse of 94 caused even the Andean federation some instability. And soon the second South American war caused the union to become a war zone. The USA, Brazil and vespuccia tried to stabilize the Andean federation. But the rebels and Chinese soldiers driven the invaders out of the countries. Soon Venezuela took over the federation and reformed it as some Bolivarian super state. With China and a reformed Iran as its Allies. This caused some problems with the USA and Brazil. They conquered most of South America except for the guyanas, Brazil, and Argentina. But soon, they target their enemy that caused the cycle of instability: Vespuccia.

As for that pan Asian Union, there’s a gta meta verse lore about this worlds Japan where the Japanese never de militarize and the USA aided them with advisors and allow them to create an anti communist pact of Asia pacific. In case China faces the communist forces towards their borders. They would aid China against Russia. Japan would lean trade and diplomacy. Allowing Japanese corporations to dominate parts of Asia. As well as boosting China to become its own superpower. But japans military pact was also made in case China wants to militarize against Asia

Glad your gta verse lore has some rebooted sense.

With my birth state gone, Florida Men would be extinct, which could be a good or bad thing for the rest of the country.

they could make such propaganda if they're literally worse than north korea which they did

Huts

@@saulspanco854basically because of how strict their culture was before and how limited the opportunity was for technology progression yes

There would be in my rendition. For the population to be as low as it is, people would have to be limited to basically just the population centers I put on the map. Outside of that I imagine the countryside is completely devoid of human life apart from maybe a handful of isolated communities that managed to hide from the government.

She???

Some language give genders to countries. Like in French France is a she, the UK a he, Germany aa she and so on, I would assume the person isn't. native English speaker where you use It. @@nerdy8644

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Why? Many countries in history have become superpowers in a short time

@@Ksavero777. Oh yeah many have, the US, China, Rome Persia All of them became a superpower in a single generation The time line isn't the problem, Hell the United States went from a regional power to the 4th global superpower in a single 5 year period, Hell they went from a meddling regional power to the global hyperpower in just 30 years. The reason the federation doesn't make any sense is the nation that they picked, Venezuela, All of the rapid make super powers have some major advantages or circumstances that allow them to become superpowers in the first place. Rome had an excellent agricultural scene that allowed them to urbanize to a level never before seen in history This allowed them to have a much quicker development of technology and knowledge than any other competitor they faced. Persia was the religious center for the fastest growing religion at the time allowing it to unify Great squads of land at a time when city-states were the norm while the Greeks and Asians were on decline allowing them to grow unchallenged. As for the United States..... Well honestly that United States is straight up Bullshit, It is such a ridiculously wealthy territory in terms of every possible resource, national security, Fertile land and ease of transportation that it was literally impossible for it to not become a super power.... Like seriously the only place you can even mind the silicon necessary for modern chips is in the United States, and even when it comes to rare earth metals the one thing that everybody thought there wasn't much off in the United States it turns out that no actually they have not only the largest REM reserves in the world They actually have more rare earth metals than the rest of the world combined.... By a factor of like four, because again the United States is absolute bullshit. The problem with the federation is that Venezuela has nothing, They have oil and they have nothing else, They don't have the industry to support a superpower status They don't have the population to support a superpower status They don't have the resources necessary for independence as a superpower, Brazil, Argentina hell even Mexico no Especially Mexico They would all make sense as a future superpower, In the case of Mexico it's almost guaranteed to become a superpower in the future And that's why the federation makes me so mad because I'm pretty sure that they pulled a home front. I can almost guarantee that Call of duty Ghost was originally meant to have Mexico as the enemy, and was hastily rebranded to have the federation's capital be Venezuela instead so that it would be easier stomach as an enemy regardless of how little sense it makes.

​@@anarchyandempires5452Let me guess, Chilean? Also, Venezuela has a lot more than hydrocarbons, it has large reserves of strategic minerals, rare earths, uranium, bauxite, iron ore, coal, hydroelectric complexes, good arable land, a relatively flat topography that reduces the cost and complexity of building infraestructure plus logistics except for the andinian region, a geostrategic location with easy access to the atlantic and the pacific, so in a hypotetical scenario and with proper industrial policy leveraging heavy industries + cheap energy, you get the basic building blocs of a military power, but then again so could Brazil, at a higher cost due to its size. The main issue with the federation, is that a major military superpower needs state of the art infraestructure to rapidly deploy manpower + resources and thats an issue in South America, the Andes and the Amazon are major natural barriers, it would take a transgenerational effort and a big chunk of the continents GDP to build the necessary links to connect all the industrial hubs and cities, it would have to be something equivalent to what China did the past 3 decades. Central America is not much better either, narrow and full of jungles.

Não duvidei nada quando li o comentário, mas quando eu li o nome eu tinha certeza que era um BR, só pela esperança passada no comentário

@@sainjor3932 😂 só quem mora por aqui para saber a chance zero disso aqui dar certo

@@Xandao_O_Imperador_de_Banania as pessoas não sabem oque é futuro, então mano, humildemente, duvido, sem esperança ou com esperança, duvido...

​@@Xandao_O_Imperador_de_Bananiamaybe for South América. México just needs a good leader and government. And it would be easy to create a Centro América Unión because Guatemala, salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua were part of Mexico at some point.