Alternate History: What if the Axis Won? 

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I always love watching and listening to "What if" scenarios. I had this idea to write a Science Fiction novel about the course of the World War and how Time Travellers actually caused and influenced the war to swing to the Axis powers. I loved your take on this, thank you for posting this video.

I feel like the US wouldn’t have been a world power we see today. Maybe a financial like Germany today or manufacturing power like China but I don’t see the US as a military powerhouse.

I have a wonderful question, if the Natives weren't wiped out, how would the Americas look today?

This's actually a really nice simplified take on the "what if" scenario where the Nazi's managed to win the war. Your precursors were great. A lot of historians, like myself, tend to gloss over the events that would've resulted in "more" resource-filled Third Reich. I'd love to discuss this topic with you in your Discord if you ever have the time, and inclination. Peace.

You also ought to watch “The Man in the High Castle” this is a tv series of this subject

These long videos make me feel like I’m sitting through one of my old college history lectures & I love it.

Interesting take, that it may have produced a sort of cold war where the other side was a Fascist empire. This would have had major political ramifications in the USA, as the "red scare" would have swung the opposite way on the spectrum. The hard right turn that was taken around 1947 would have likely instead continued to improve New Deal policies, embracing the anti-fascist role.

Wow, seems like it’s all in one take. Great job on that! Don’t see an old-school type video like this much anymore. Great content man

Nice video as always, just one thing I’ll point out- Germany couldn’t have put off invading the Soviet Union. TIK put up a video on it and explained that they only had three months’ worth of peacetime oil consumptipn by June of 1941. They couldn’t wait because they were that desperate for oil.

You have put across a very plausible scenario. Though I don't believe that the British would've sued for peace, especially while Churchill was prime minister, I think they would've kept resisting.

I'm actually really curious as to what your thoughts are on the Wolfenstein games from Machinegun Games. I know it's not completely related to what you usually do, but those games are an alternate history thing, which is pretty neat

Hitler: *holds out for 5 more months* Robert Oppenheimer: I’m about to end this man’s whole career

Another great what-if scenario and well explained. Learned a lot of history as well.

This was great! I always wondered why Germany spread out so fast instead of consolidating its power.

I absolutely love hearing an educated "what if?". Great video!!!

I have 5 mistakes that Germany made during ww2 as comments on your TikTok. Love your content. I’m glad to come across another history buff

Hitler actually thought the British would be more willing to surrender if they didn't capture their soldiers at Dunkirk.

I have never been a history guy but the way you talk about it makes me love it and super interested in it. 👍

Very well thought out - two additional thoughts, first what about when Hitler died and second, what if one side got nuclear weapons? I'd also suspect that having seen Britain beaten Spain would try to retake Gibraltar and Japan would be encouraged to pursue its Greater Co-prosperity idea and of course Italy would have annexed British North Africa..? Could have seen the British Empire in a war with Japan on their own?

A good series that depicts this is Man in the High Castle! Great video!

This could be interesting to have as a setting for some Call of Cthulhu Scenarios might I say.

What do you think would have happened if the central powers had won WW1?

I have so many lol What if Persia successfully conquered Hellenic Greece? What if the Brits beat the US in the war for independence? What if the confederates won the Civil War? What would it have taken for the Eastern Bloc to win the Cold War? Bonus round: What if the US had a second Civil War in the near future?

Excellent analysis, the only missing factor I see is the atomic bomb, which side gets it first, and how it would be used.

I think this was probably the most likey senario ive seen. I appreciate it.

Do a what if scenario if the Greeks lose the war and get completely dominated by the Persians. Battle of Marathon and Thermopylae for example.

Its 4:40AM why would you do this to me?

One thing I wondered us what if instead of waging war, Germany focused on building and improving itself, how would things have turned out. Some things I can see would be: no Israel since it was created as a result of the Holocaust. The US would not reach the height of power that it did. Oil would not be based on the dollar. Since scientist would have no need to flee Germany they would benefit from their expertise not the US. This makes me wonder if Germany would have reached superpower status to rival or surpass the US. Perhaps if a partnership with Russia and/or Great Britain was struck which reminds me that Britain would have held onto its superower status. So imagine if The Soviet Union, Great Britain, and Germany partnered together. How would that affect the United States on a global scale? So many possibilities in these reimagining history which makes it fun. Probably more so if I actually knew more of the details of history.

Keep up the good content

Hey bud don’t know why but I’m curious about the effect of the Australian Army in WW2. Love the videos and I’m glad I can find some good history analysis on RU-vid 😊

I feel like the British Empire would remain largely intact as colonies weren’t a priority for the Nazi’s in our time line past restoring what Germany had lost previously, and the British while demoralized would be willing to accept a major loss like Egypt but not their whole African possessions.

Ultimately, like you essentially said, we would have still ended up with two big countries competing for power and influence. Nazi Germany would have just been a replacement for the USSR. However, I think Nazi Germany would have won the arms/power/influence race, unlike the USSR. Though, like all Empires, different territories would have eventually wanted to break away. Even people of the same race have divisions and the further away people are from the central government, the more likely they'd want to break away. With that said, I think a Nazi Empire could have survived, in some form, for two or three hundred years.

What if Japan had ignored the US, Soviets and Great Britain, but invaded the Dutch holdings in Asia only. Would they have secured the resources needed to win in China?

I remember reading Hitler’s thoughts that Germany had been remiss in colonizing the world like the British and French and his idea of colonizing was to move east to places like Ukraine. As for how they could’ve won the war think the real emphasis would’ve been on conquering the UK. It was dropping off point for all the US industry and without the UK the US probably wouldn’t even have entered the war. Getting oil from North Africa would’ve allowed them to delay in a Russian invasion. I like your idea on the Japanese not attacking Pearl Harbor and just staying in Asia. I enjoyed watching thank you

It is incredible you can speak on all this!🤯Really amazing to hear!!!!!

Thank you for this video and making a RU-vid. I've been following your stuff on tiktok and I'm happy to see you move over to RU-vid for long form videos

I love history and agree with the key points of your logic factors i would love your thoughts on would be 1.Adolf's health was shown to be deteriorating towards the end of the war due to drugs and other problems partly because of his personal doctor 2.the outcome if America actually allied with germany and the very start of the war. Again id absolutely love your thoughts.

There are so many things I wish I had a good 30 or 60 minutes to sit down with you discuss Anyway on a side note I looked at the map halfway through your presentation and it looks like according to the Japanese progression in North America that we'd be drinking coffee at Starbukimotos and getting airplanes built by Boeingsan

Other implications of Germany winning include weapons development and the space race. Towards the end of the war,Germany had developed jet fighters and were not far from developing jet bombers. The bombers would have presented a direct threat to the U.S. and their allies within a few years. Also,the Germans were developing an atomic bomb which would have likely been available in a relatively short period and changed the dynamics of world power because the U.S. would have been unlikely to put as much focus on developing their own bomb if they were either not in the war or played a lesser role. If Germany had won the war,scientists such as Werner Von Braun would have remained in Germany. He relocated to the U.S. after the war and played a critical role in the development of the U.S. space program.

I think you are correct in saying that the Germans would have difficulty maintaining stability if only for economic reasons. Much like the Soviet collapse, Germany would have the same issues compounded by inefficient slave labor. As a side effect of Germany winning, nuclear war would have probably played out eventually.

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Been watching you on tiktok for a few months. Glad to have found you on here.

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Please do if Carthage had one the Punic wars

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I just watched. Loved it. I actually do ‘what if’s’ and currently - what if the Germans won the war, what would the implications be on the balkans? Specifically, Croatia dominates Yugoslavia, Albania unites all Albanian populations and would Bulgaria take Nth Macedonia?

As previously mentioned in other comments below, this subject was pretty well covered already by "The Man in the High Castle". Ultimately the story highlights after the last of that generation of Nazis died off of old age (Himmler being the youngest), the Third Reich would collapse because the young people would've thought the old people were dumb and rejected their beliefs. As proof you only need to look at how the Denazification of Germany really happened. By the mid-60's the original Nazis were all dead or dying and the young people weren't interested in carrying it on. Hitler was absolutely delusional to think his Reich would last 1000 years when it really wouldn't have lasted 20 years past his death at best.

I think a non-annexation of the Philippines by the USA following the Spanish-American war (which might have happened had Imperial Germany set up shop in Mindanao in the 1880's, and later taken the islands, only to lose them to Japan in WW1) would be the best point of divergence for an eventual Axis victory, especially as America wouldn't have been even considered a target by the Japanese, and thus, no Pearl Harbour, and more resources for Japan to invade the USSR. Also, if Britain was alone in the war, Spain might have joined to take Gibraltar and Morocco, and the Brits would have lost India. Also, the Reich would have fallen following Hitler's death because he was the only man capable of keeping that mess together, but Japan might have survived, and eventually the cold war would have been between the US and Japan, which would be still ongoing I believe.

You ought to do a podcast as well. One a week on any subject and just tell history for that subject thats not common knowledge. Youd make a killing

The Japanese were good at surprise attacks. They couldn’t sustain a long term occupation on multiple fronts. Just like why australia was bombed, rather than invaded.

i believe there is a famous army saying. "there are 3 people you never want pissed at you. Your logi guy, your pilot, and your medic." I think that's how it goes. i could be very wrong though. Also, the quote of an army marching on it's stomach was said famously by napoleon bonaparte

How would their wonder weapons program develop and affect things?

Good work sir. Followed you over from TicTok. Hope you have had the chance to look at other historians on here - maybe get the chance to do a collaboration with one. Look forward to watching more vids!

I am fascinated by your thoughts on a slower Holocaust. I have always thought that the Holocaust itself shines light on how irrational wars can be: the Germans preferred to keep the trains full of victims to the camps rather than see those same trains supply their teenaged sons dying on the front. One shudders, then, at the thought of what could have been done had they been allowed to take their time.

Love the video! Great content! 👍🏻

Just ran across this video today, that is a very good assessment, well done.

Also, if the US was not aggressively building it's military due to wanting to remain uninvolved, the Axis powers would have far surpassed them in all types of military technology along with battle hardened experienced forces.

Good video. Well thoughtout

Extremely interesting piece. Well thought through.

Well done! :) Jack

Without lend lease, being able to transfer a large number of the eastern divisions to counter attack in the west, the naval blockade by the royal navy, the losses the Luftwaffe suffered in the battle of Britain, and the long range strategic bombing of Germany by the allies the outcome of the war with Russia would have been much different

Brilliant young man

I find it interesting that you believe democratic capitalism would prevail over fascism. I don't say it would necessarily be the other way, but the system is crumbling in the US as well. It currently is a deeply divided country with rampant clientelism and corruption. Democracy isn't something that exists unopposed, it's a delicate balance that needs to be continuously guarded.

We had a great debate at school (many, many years ago now.(1980s)), about "What if" the Black shirts under Mosley had won the UK election and the UK had joined the Axis forces from the start because of France's lack of thanks for WW1, they're old grevances with the UK, and us Brits being more more inline with our Saxon cousins (via Anglo-Saxonism). It lead to some very crazy outcomes and a few friends (temporarily) falling out with each other! lol. There was so many outcomes to list, some were the whole of the EU under German rule with Italy and the UK as parter or vassal states (a real united EU). Another had the US because of ties to the UK and Canada joining that joint EU Axis power as an ally mainly for trade and profit. But in nearly every scenario we had, the Russia, China and Africa were wiped out and populated by said Axis forces in a "New World" type of thing/land grab. And every one of them played out with Trillions of those loosing peoples lives being taken. In the end with Germany, Italy, UK (and her colonies), US and Japan as the only super powers left and fully in charge of the planet. One part that didn't play out was those super powers turning on each other at some point over power and/or greed.... The way Humans behave, it was a near cert at some point. The TV series "The Man in the High Castle" is a good twist on this, and well worth a watch imo. Thank you for the video, it sure does raise many questions indeed! :)

Love your content! Thank you

Something I’ve always wondered on scenarios like this, would it be more acceptable in the us for people to support fascism?

I wish one of these what if’s discussed Italy

Love your tick tocks man

What it Ferdinand Marcos Senior wasn't ousted , he found the Yamashita Gold and combined it with the Tallano Gold , he completed the Bukang Liwayway Missile Project or Santa Barbara Project and allied himself with Indonesia to split Malaysia in 2 with operation Merdeka?

Man in the High Tower

Long story short....look at how the Axis set up their win in Man In The High Castle. That would be the best-case scenario for them.

3:55 - I think that, if German warfare had been about "Liebensraum," things would've been much nicer.

WW2 could have played out in many ways. Britain didn't invent radar - or crack the Enigma code. Spitfires weren't developed or Barnes Wallace bouncing bomb. Also had Germany created the Atom Bomb first as the US didn't have a say in the war much of the Soviet Union would have been nuked. Also had Germany allied with the Soviets as they did against Poland - and Germany hadn't invaded the Soviet Union it's very likely that jackboots would have landed in the mainland UK.

Plot twist: Spain invades Japan, Germany and the Unated States at the same time and wins war

This made me once again Appreciate that axis lost, also I’m not sure how the cold war would’ve player out without the Atom bombs as they would likely not have been developed by any nation (with usa having no need and Germany giving up on the project)

Loved the video well thought out and executed.what do you think germany's plan was.

I have often wonder “What if we had lost WWII. I imagined that Germany and Japan would have split the US and we would be speaking German or Japanese depending on where they split it: at the Mississippi or the Rockies

Idea, what if prohibition were still in effect.

so we have 1984 but more nuanced

What would've happenned to greece and Ethiopia in this scenario?

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There is one major difference, while the idea of two Superpowers appearing would be similar to our world, the different is the new Cold War would not have the Nuclear threat. The U.S. not being involved in the war or not to the same extent, means it would not have had the time or money to develop all the technology it did, like the control systems for the B-29, The Bat and other guided weapons and early drones, and Nuclear weapons! With out the use of Nuclear weapons at the end of WWII and the world seeing the horrors of nuclear war but only on a extremely small scale, there is a good chance the human race would not have gotten past that Fermi Filter.

I know you mentioned Dunkirk and if we had not been able to get our troops out it would have pushed us out for a while. But what about the British colonies? Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India....etc. if I remember rightly India provided more troops than anyone during the war? I appreciate that lend lease was a huge benefit to us, but if that wasn't available surely we could have ramped up production in our colonies instead? Our professional army in Britain may have been gone, but we still had the biggest navy in the world and a brilliant (for the time) air force.

Yes the soviets had bleed the most but they were so much larger than the other opponents. I'd like to see a ratio of civilians killed across axis invaded nations.

Nice effort! Your points are correct refencing if Japan did not attack the USA and Japan went after Russia. Your observation about if Dunkirk would of been A military disaster. If the Army of Dunkirk would of Surrendered and Japan captured Singapore captured another British Army. If Hitler would said to England. Ok, here's the deal. We will offer all POW'ed from Singapore and Dunkirk. In trade we want a Non Aggression treaty and Japan gets the far east! France and Netherlands you will be semi independent and fully independent with in 10 years! The Price is French Indo China and Dutch east indies. USA you will receive Greenland for not getting involved. This scenario gives Japan the oil it needs without conflict and energizes their war machine! England maintains most of her empire. Ironically Germany and Japan had a almost positive view of England! So not fighting her was ok in their book. Also if Hitler would of not been so pressured he might of treated the Ukrainians a little better, hence a more docile and possibly friendly conquered Nation! Remember the first German marching into Ukraine was greeted by women with flowers and as liberators. The Russian England France relationship was classic Enemy of my Enemy is my friend! Nothing more. Hence the Operation Unthinkable after the war that Churchill was toying with invading Russia! So England and France might of been ok with Germany eliminating Russia. Certainly, they would NOT of been willing to rehash a fight with Germany again over it.

What if the whole US Pacific fleet had been fully wiped out at pearl harbor by the Japanese.

Nations which are economic lightweights always fail to compete despite a nuclear capability. History always deals up unexpected variables. Who in 1945 could have foreseen the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962? Factors such as these may well have impacted a possible Axis victory in the mid term?

The US would not be compelled to build the bomb via the Manhattan project but Germany might move forward with their bomb project and thus threaten the US to surrender which it would.

Just to get things clear from now ill speak for greece and mostly greece only, another way for the Axis to not lose is for Italy instead of attacking Greece they could help the Neo-Byzantines which they where near on rising a new Hellenic/Byzantine Greece, the party that i am talking about is the triple E (EEE) or it's full name being Ethniki Enosi Ellados (National Union [Hellas]) which was ruled by Georgios Kosmidis, by helping the EEE they axis would have more dominance to the Balkans and Asia Minor since they would probably help the rise of the Byzantine Empire, which in return could unite with Italy to reform the Imperium Romanum(Roman Empire), or they could help greece achieve the Megali Idea and maybe later Hitler would betray Italy and giving half to greece. many other possibilities with Greece could happened instead of the greeks being ruled by the Italians, but for sure any greek-slav or greek-jew or greek-gypsy would have been killed in the holocaust, that's all that i can thing about so yea, that was all i had to say, goodbye.

There is a game called Axis and Allies that starts out at a point during the war where on paper, either side could have won. My brother loves this game but hates playing it with me. He always wants to be the Allies and when we started playing, he always won. But then, after two or three games, I started winning all the time. Germany lost because of decisions made by it's leaders that were not strategic in nature but more emotional. After a few games, I started to think strategically with regard to alliances, military manufacturing, troop movements, when to hold back and when to attack, etc. When you take the Axis side that way, they win. And one thing people, especially Americans forget: The attack on Pearl Harbour brought the US into the war, but fighting it, especially in Europe, was never popular. In fact, the whole US fight during WWII was on the back of the draft, wherein more US troops were garnered through the draft than through volunteers. That could have worked out poorly for the US. Also, the US was not only selling to the Soviets and UK, they were also selling to Germany. So the US was really too keen on taking sides. Also, the Japanese decided to move south after a failed attempt to expand north. The Japanese army did attack Mongolia, and as an ally to the Soviets, the Soviets helped defeat the Japanese, who then had to retreat back out of Mongolia. As a result, the Japanese were then wary of the Soviets, so the decision was made to expand south.

What if Rome lost the Punic wars?

I would be interested in your take on the development of the atomic bomb in such a scenario.

Even with the influence of Lord Halifax, I don’t believe the British would settle without at least some of England being occupied. Without a successful Operation Sea Lion, the war would have continued. Eventually, some ocean liner would have been sunk, and 128 US citizens would have died, and the US would have declared war. There could have been a long lasting truce between Germany and Russia, but that would have been a sort of ‘cold war’ of its own. If the Soviets attacked Germany the Russians would have been routed, but that would not have guaranteed a German victory in the East. I doubt the Japanese would have had little effect on the European conflict. Japanese logistics just doesn’t allow for that.

Another history alternative which has fascinated me is: what if Stalin was murdered at Yalta? Would there have been a more equitable ending to the war as in Germany left whole? Would there have been a cold war after? To say World War 2 devastated the Russians might be an exaggeration but not by much. The West would have gotten richer rebuilding Europe AND RUSSIA with the Cold War a non-starter. Mao Tse-Dung's China (assuming Mao came to power in the first place) would have been an afterthought - not the military power it became. "Police actions" like Korea and, indeed, Viet-nam would probably not have happened - no available Chinese support! Food for thought maybe? John Shaw Calgary Alberta Canada

I think your right.

Now the problem with Germany delaying the invasion of the USSR isn’t really possible is oil. TIK does a great video on this. 1941 was really the last time, even with partial demobilization they could possibly attack them on a full scale invasion like France or Poland or Norway. Germany was expending oil and gas at a rapid rate. Even with Romanian oil. There really wasn’t any viable alternative to the USSR in 1941. The Middle East? No land route, and back then didn’t have the oil production to make up for the loss. The US? Not gonna happen. The USSR was the only viable option.

Have you read the book The Fatherland? I highly recommend it. Can't remember the author. I won't spoil it here. Check it out.

I think that Japan would be like China in the cold war, staying by Germany's side but try to show that they have power too

Respectful contention: the atomic bomb being developed in Nazi Germany would have allowed the Germans the overwhelming firepower that the US used to crush the fanatical nationalism of Imperial Japan, but without the established morality of the greatest generation to hinder its outright use. The fact that America dropped the bomb first is so absolutely pivotal to human events, as because had any totalitarian power welded that titanic might in our stead our physical topography of the planet might be very different. An atomic bomb dropped on New York or Washington DC in 1945 would have caused the unconditional surrender of the US to Nazi forces.